Safety of Lantus?

Question:

To be specific, you are talking about Lilly’s Iletin II line (still in production). I was on Iletin I (discontinued on Jan 1, 2000).

Actually it was stopped production in 1998 and the final expiry was May2000 I was taking 100% beef.

No Sir you weren’t.  Iletin, and Iletin I from 1982 on, was 30-40% pork.  Even Lilly didn’t know how much, except there were more beef than pork pancreases thrown into the process.  Those barrows and gilts pancreas’ were too available in Indiana. I don’t see what this has to do with Dave Groves or anyone’s "Beef bandwagon".

If it weren’t for DG and yourself, with your expired piece of Beef propaganda: http://www.beefinsulin.com more users of Iletin I would have just bought Iletin II and at least for the Regular found an insulin, not unlike Iletin I.  Like I said in an earlier post, CP Neutral being buffered is as much of a firecracker as Humulin R.  Of course YMMV! After spending 37 years on a beef/regular mix, I find I can alternate Iletin II Lente during the day jab, and CP Hypurin Lente for a smoother basal for the nite jab.   If anyone is on such a bandwagon, it has to be you.  I no longer take the stuff.  I was just recounting my medical history on the subject of insulin.

Which Lilly publication do you want me to cite? Until they marketed Iletin II in 1981 it was simply Iletin.   That was 30-40% pork.  After Iletin II came out in 1981, the 30-40% pork mix was called Iletin I till it ceased production in 1998. The 1980 PDR refers only to Iletin.  That’s 30-40% pork.  That’s the same mixed pancreas production since 1922. The 1982 PDR refers to Iletin I(beef/pork) and Iletin II(pork). Prior to 1982 pure pork or pure beef was special order for the rare cases of allergy. As quoted from the LIily manual published for the Medical Professional: "Ever since the development of the first methods of large scale production of Iletin(Insulin,Lilly), both beef and pork pancreas have been the source of supply, and the product regularly available since 1922 has been derived from both.  For the exceptional allergic case that exibits hypersensitivities to Insulin, Special Iletin (Insulin,Lilly) derived solely from beef pancreas, and Iletin (Insulin,Lilly) Pork are available on order through the usual trade channels." You too Sir are like Biggs and DG, one who just pulls this information out of your ass and spouts it to the detriment of long term(30yrs+) T1’s! At least here it WAS beef Lente, prior to 1973.  The NPH was beef/pork.  Makes one wonder if Ultralente and Lente sold by Lilly prior to 1973 wasn’t manufactured by Novo.  This was the case for CP Hypurin Lente prior to 2001.  It was made by Novo Nordisk, hence the long tall vial. Since all the insulin from Novo that I ever got came in a more usually proportioned vial, I don’t see how you can reach such a conclusion.

Look at the picture on CP.s website: http://www.cppharma.com/ Also, the vials I got in from CP prior to 2001 (before your time with that company) had Novo’s Lente in the same shape of vial as found here in the USA, while their Neutral (Regular) was in that long tall vial you refer to.  How does that figure in your system of deductions?

I’ve been in this as long as you.  Charles Savage told me this, physically in person in 2000, just before their production of Lente started in January 2001. The Lente was in the long tall bottle and the regular was a normal sized vial. Now they’re both normal sized. Why don’t you read the book before you pontificate on adding R to NPH.  Can you follow the presentation?  Do you know enough chemistry?

I own the book. I’ve lived the life for more than 9 months with NPH.   Think about the protamine a little more.  Up to 1:1 NPH takes over the Regular.  The mixes in vials are biphasic. I’m seriously starting to doubt your experiences and supposed expertise, by the nanosecond.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – void: I found the information on the Aventis site, and there was _nothing_ about what happens to Lantus at high temperature ( 30

Making Peace with The STranger…..

Question:

I for one.am beginngint to see the advantages.of being me,  and am beginning to accept  all facets of my personality,  though seems I have no choice…if ever want to be happy, going to embrace .all of me…without further defense, explanatior or apology.

good for you… umm.. all of you!….. every one. :-0|} anna — "it is so easy to return to our spirit world from where we came.  life is not easy. but life is not nearly so hard when we honor the self…." ~~ blessed are we to dwell in these beautiful temples ~~

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Lord Knows, I have tried to deep six my multifaceted personality,   in favor of a one dimensional personality,  pleasing to the world, for social acceptance, and success, etc . I initially started to at  age 15, when I was still totally me, and my high school advisor.went off on me about my having chosen basket weaving as my major! She had to sign my course schedule for sophomore year, and REFUSED to do so…until I took the summer to think about some things..she decided to inform me of First,  she chose to SHOCK me into listening,  telling this playful, fun lover, who had never before opened a school book in their life, that I had.scored the highest test scores,  in the school history. Told me if I didnt stop playing around, and pull in my wings and fly straight,  and buckle down and take college prep, and go to college and get an education, I would be a very, very sorry..woman… Then she told me, that sooner or later I realize  I was  way smarter and more capable than the others,  and by the time I did, it be too late,  and then I would spend my  life eaten way by and consumed in envy and jealousy..of those I am more intelligent then,  more capable than, better than. "Life is no rehearsal" she said,  the curtain is up,  the show is on.  and if I dont face that reality and buckle down now,  I be very vry very sorry. and she went on to paint the bleakest picture..one can paint…of an uneducated, intelligent women’s life! That was at the end of 9th grade.  She did get me to THINK.  All I did that summer was think about what she had said.  Then day before my sophomore year, I went down to the HS and changed my class schedule to college prep, changing the  entire trajectory of my life…by doing so.. I deep sixed facets of my personality,  which were not helpful to becoming an educated, successful and socially acceptable person.   a mask, emerged…did allow me to go on to become a highly educated, professional successful, and extraordinarily successful woman. . The rewards and benefits were beyond even  my wildest dreams, and I soon had it ALL. So how come I wasnt happy, at all,  as that  Miss goody two shoes, and highly educated, professionally successful, extremely socially acceptable woman walking the hallowed grounds of the upper crust? My ADVISOR may have been totally wrong..to advise me as she did. Perhaps..she was projecting..that she be unhappy with her personality if she didnt go on to become educated, and professiona, and socially acceptable mongst better classes. Maybe I ought to have been left to find my own dreams, and with my multifaceted personality left whole, and in tact.. I dont know.that advising me to  buckle down was such a good thing..so early in my lfie..inciting fear to get me to do so.. Who knows.. The psychologists I went to at the time I was so unhappy living a life beyond anyones wildest imaginings..suggested it was because I had deep sixed, facets of my personality…integral to my happiness, to achieve all that. nnfortunately, those discussions of the reality,  that I have was keeping a tight rein..on an extremely   multifaceted personality ceased,   because my unhappiness ceased..as I became a mother, and that made me happy again…for a while at least. yet another facet of my personality emerged, Mother,  Lioness..etc..and that facet of my personality took over…during the early years I was a mother and  happily mothered my son UNTIl he started school and I had idle time on my hands, sigh.. soon as I had some breathing room, free time,  the other facets of my personaltiy competed bout what I ought to do with myself. I was seeking and recieving offers for professional..employment.. The prolbme with that..was the MOTHER in me..thought the hours I needed to put in, in my professional field made it an ill advised choice to go put on the superwoman  mask.. Then too, I been a good girl for over 25 years..and been through hell seeing to my sons medical treatments..and the  minx..was itching to play, not buckle down.more and be SUPERWOMAN to the horror of the other facets of my personality.in middle age, I suddenly decided I like to play poker…. ..lol I wonder if people who do not have multifaceted personality can grasp how difficult it is for those of us who do have many facets to our personality …to cope with such.. As a mother,  I think one..thing..Been very stable…there,  know my responsibilities and obligations..and happily forgo..and sacrifice lots..now for 15 years..sheparding my boy..to man hood.and doing good job there. BUT, as woman..all this inconsistency..caused by all these various  facets of personality as miss goody two shoes and another as a mnix,  .probably many more…but those two..causing most problems..at odds..and all..lol Whatever I set my mind..to  and whichever facet of my personality i face to the world..I sure am successful, at  taking such to the limit… but they are hard to reconcile..and makes defining..who I am  very complex.. Capable of thinking and feeling and actions…calling upon the greatest essence of my humanity and doing so so much that is good…for many people.. then turn right around..and want to be a BAD girl for a bit..and go play poker   lol then deny  that  poker playing..gal…is me..lol EXCEPT I am doing such…so it is me…too… Now reconcile that! Without deciding that is all I am,   either! I had such Big fights with an EX boyfriend who wanted to define me as a gambler..when that was such a small part of my life..while I was doing it.. Now..I stopped..its probably going to be a footnote..in my life. just something I engaged in during one phase of my life, while also up to and doing some incredibly good things at the very same time..as well as all else I also achived, and done the rest of my life..besides acting on some .desire to be poker queen. for a bit…lol .I see people trying to define..other people…categorize them..ME, as these one diminsiaonal..one personaltiy people…  and in my case,  they totally and completely FAIL  as I got many facets to my personality…and no one can define me as one dimensional,  ..like its all so friggne black and white..when its far from such… when you are multifaceted..and extremeely INCONSISTENT.. Whats even funnier..is when those who want to define you as one dimensioal personatly,  when you are not…get upset cause you are NOT…and slander you with personality disorders..cause they are unable to grasp you are multifaceted.. their problem….as being inconsistent is said to be amongst our greatest freedoms… I for one.am beginngint to see the advantages.of being me,  and am beginning to accept  all facets of my personality,  though seems I have no choice…if ever want to be happy, going to embrace .all of me…without further defense, explanatior or apology.

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Acting Class II

Question:

From 1womanscyberpersona: > A bit frustrating.  No I’m not really meeting people

which is what I took > the class for – yea there will be other classes ….

there are other things > to try … keep up hope … Maybe this wasn’t the

best class to take for > socializing – actually hiking was *better* (heck i

could do hiking again – > not that great but heh …).  In hiking class I got

to walk around freely in > free space and talk to whoever I pleased *for the

whole class* even!  Here I > have to just listen to teacher blab most of the time

- and try to catch some > narrow window of opportunity to socialize.  It sucks to hell. > There really isn’t enough time to interact with

people on a one on one basis > and we don’t do group work much.  Oh, how I wish we

did more group work. > Having never had what I would consider a real

conversation with anyone in > this class is frustrating.  I’ve merely cracked a

joke or two at most.  I > want a real conversation:  What do you do?  Are you

in school?  What do you > want to do?  Are you going my way?  Will you

accompany me a bit on my > journey then?  Ache.

Ask people how they found about the class or why they’re taking it.  You could also ask what they think of the class – when the teacher isn’t around  I like to discuss the more substantial topics, too, but discussing the situation first is usually the only way to get to that point. > Instead I just show a bit of public persona when I’m up on stage (no not > cyber persona – that’s a different persona entirely

- persona’s a common > last name ..)  Anyway my public persona isn’t even

good.  It’s just shy and > ugh and kind of boring.  Talking to me *one on one*

is better, I guarantee > it, if I get the chance …  So I don’t think I’ve made many good > impressions. > In addition I’ve gotten criticism, I guess because

the teacher doesn’t think > I take the class seriously enough.  Hey, but this

ain’t serious!!  This is > play – or is supposed to be for *me*.  Pulling

myself out of bed everyday to > go to the old grind (work) is serious.  My fears are

serious.  And my goals > are serious.  This is play – or is supposed to be.

I mean, I get yelled at > by the teacher for doodling in class – my doodles

got too loud or something. > My doodles got to loud – what realm of absurdity

have we passed into – where > such things occur? Anyway. I also get criticized

for smiling too much. > When I was up on stage after the acting I smiled too

much.  The teacher said > ’stop smiling, stop smiling’.  I jested ‘but I have

such a pretty smile’, my > joke was unwanted, it’s hard not to smile .  But

we weren’t supposed to > smile, we were supposed to really get into the

acting.  We were supposed to > imagine someone we really cared about was hurt or

something.  Wait, a second > now, do I really care about *anyone*??  I *said* my

parents.  I didn’t get > into it.  Other people did.  I don’t get it.  And

then I get accused of > bottling up my emotions too much – blah.

If you’re smiling because you are nervous, then you are hiding emotions.  That is not a good habit. Acting is good in that it allows you to demonstrate true, deep emotions (culled from past experiences) in front of others, without fear of ridicule. > Some people in that class are intensly into it, and just seem way too > intense people in general, hard to get to know,

especially by one such as > me.  I was aiming to get to know some of them but

nah I’m going for the > smiley fun loving people now – to have a

conversation with anyway – time > well passed at least – I shouldn’t expect more.

Is this a credited class?  It reminds me of a credited acting class that I took.  The teacher was much too serious and chided me for not being as serious as the others students (many of whom skipped class and didn’t rehearse at home).  He was a prick.  FWIW, I tuned out his lectures; acting requires practice and talent, not the words of some two-bit actor. Anyway, if it makes you feel better, I didn’t make any friends at that class.  Heh – it would make you feel better if you could make friends in your class.  You need a strategy, 1woman.  Help us help you  Do you have any plans that you could share with us (the people of a.s.s.), so that we can help mold them into something that will get you talking to classmates? ===== Joe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ — For info about this service, see http://anon.twwells.com/help/ or e-mail: h…@anon.twwells.com   — for an automatically returned help message ad…@anon.twwells.com  – for the service’s administrator ano…@anon.twwells.com — anonymous mail to the administrator

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A long time ago, in a newsgroup far, far away… "1womanscyberpersona" <nowherewo…@nowhereland.com> wrote: >There really isn’t enough time to interact with people on a one on one basis >and we don’t do group work much.  Oh, how I wish we did more group work. >Having never had what I would consider a real conversation with anyone in >this class is frustrating.  I’ve merely cracked a joke or two at most.  I >want a real conversation:  What do you do?  Are you in school?  What do you >want to do?  Are you going my way?  Will you accompany me a bit on my >journey then?  Ache.

Do people just leave immediately after class? That would be a barrier to conversing. >Instead I just show a bit of public persona when I’m up on stage (no not >cyber persona – that’s a different persona entirely – persona’s a common >last name ..)  Anyway my public persona isn’t even good.  It’s just shy and >ugh and kind of boring.  Talking to me *one on one* is better, I guarantee >it, if I get the chance …  So I don’t think I’ve made many good >impressions.

This is just an interesting fact: the word persona came from the ancient Greek/Roman plays where the actors had masks on. It’s derived from the word "per" (through) and "sonare" (to sound). So it means "to sound through [the mask]". So our word for person is also derived from this. Everyone is just an actor, according to our language at least. ( you get this theme in Shakespeare) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->In addition I’ve gotten criticism, I guess because the teacher doesn’t think >I take the class seriously enough.  Hey, but this ain’t serious!!  This is >play – or is supposed to be for *me*.  Pulling myself out of bed everyday to >go to the old grind (work) is serious.  My fears are serious.  And my goals >are serious.  This is play – or is supposed to be.  I mean, I get yelled at >by the teacher for doodling in class – my doodles got too loud or something. >My doodles got to loud – what realm of absurdity have we passed into – where >such things occur? Anyway. I also get criticized for smiling too much. >When I was up on stage after the acting I smiled too much.  The teacher said >’stop smiling, stop smiling’.  I jested ‘but I have such a pretty smile’, my >joke was unwanted, it’s hard not to smile .  But we weren’t supposed to >smile, we were supposed to really get into the acting.  We were supposed to >imagine someone we really cared about was hurt or something.  Wait, a second >now, do I really care about *anyone*??  I *said* my parents.  I didn’t get >into it.  Other people did.  I don’t get it.  And then I get accused of >bottling up my emotions too much – blah.

Is the teacher one of those really serious acting class teachers that I hear about, who are really strict? I find that funny. If I was in there with "friends" (hehehe, I’m not repeating that mistake again) I’d probably get kicked out of class. I’d imitate the teacher’s accent (if any) and make a fool of myself, all by means of mocking the teacher. I know it’s not nice, but it’s fun (for me anyways). >Some people in that class are intensly into it, and just seem way too >intense people in general, hard to get to know, especially by one such as >me.  I was aiming to get to know some of them but nah I’m going for the >smiley fun loving people now – to have a conversation with anyway – time >well passed at least – I shouldn’t expect more.

There’s a character in my movie who’s really intense and into his job. He’s like intensely painting and when there’s a disruption to his painting, he gets quite agitated and yells at the person who disrupted him (in a ancient Latin accent as well!). I guess it is hard to talk to people who are intensely focused on something, unless you share their focus. (of course, the character isn’t the most realistic, but I think it can be relevant) — Qui-Gon Jinn & Tonic It will be a hard life. One without reward, without remorse, without regret. A path will be placed before you, The choice is yours alone. Do what you think you cannot do. It will be a hard life. But you will find out… who you are. – Qui-Gon Jinn

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1womanscyberpersona (nowherewo…@nowhereland.com) wrote:

I don’t know if I’ve mentioned this before, but from reading your posts you come across as a very creative and fun person, and it sounds like it was a good choice to take this class.  Why not ride it out for a bit and see if and how your perception changes as the class goes on? Steve

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1womanscyberpersona <nowherewo…@nowhereland.com> wrote: > and we don’t do group work much.  Oh, how I wish we did more group work. > Having never had what I would consider a real conversation with anyone in > this class is frustrating.  I’ve merely cracked a joke or two at most.  I > want a real conversation:  What do you do?  Are you in school?  What do you > want to do?  Are you going my way?  Will you accompany me a bit on my > journey then?  Ache.

I’ve just been on a camp for choir and talked to a lot of new people that I probably wouldn’t have if we hadn’t been stuck in a campsite for the weekend.  I don’t know if there are other groups that would have camps, with free time.  Maybe you should choose a class based entirely on whether they do group activities where you get to talk > In addition I’ve gotten criticism, I guess because the teacher doesn’t think > I take the class seriously enough.  Hey, but this ain’t serious!!  This is > play – or is supposed to be for *me*.  Pulling myself out of bed everyday to > go to the old grind (work) is serious.  My fears are serious.  And my goals > are serious.  This is play – or is supposed to be.  I mean, I get yelled at > by the teacher for doodling in class – my doodles got too loud or something. > My doodles got to loud – what realm of absurdity have we passed into – where > such things occur? Anyway. I also get criticized for smiling too much.

That’s ridiculous! I suppose there are people in choir who care about people not concentrating enough on music but it’s a very social choir – that seems to be the point of it for a lot of people I wasn’t looking for a group to make friends in, and I didn’t make friends there but I could probably now.  I don’t know how you’d find a group like that though. How many more classes do you have? Beckie

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A bit frustrating.  No I’m not really meeting people which is what I took the class for – yea there will be other classes …. there are other things to try … keep up hope … Maybe this wasn’t the best class to take for socializing – actually hiking was *better* (heck i could do hiking again – not that great but heh …).  In hiking class I got to walk around freely in free space and talk to whoever I pleased *for the whole class* even!  Here I have to just listen to teacher blab most of the time – and try to catch some narrow window of opportunity to socialize.  It sucks to hell. There really isn’t enough time to interact with people on a one on one basis and we don’t do group work much.  Oh, how I wish we did more group work. Having never had what I would consider a real conversation with anyone in this class is frustrating.  I’ve merely cracked a joke or two at most.  I want a real conversation:  What do you do?  Are you in school?  What do you want to do?  Are you going my way?  Will you accompany me a bit on my journey then?  Ache. Instead I just show a bit of public persona when I’m up on stage (no not cyber persona – that’s a different persona entirely – persona’s a common last name ..)  Anyway my public persona isn’t even good.  It’s just shy and ugh and kind of boring.  Talking to me *one on one* is better, I guarantee it, if I get the chance …  So I don’t think I’ve made many good impressions. In addition I’ve gotten criticism, I guess because the teacher doesn’t think I take the class seriously enough.  Hey, but this ain’t serious!!  This is play – or is supposed to be for *me*.  Pulling myself out of bed everyday to go to the old grind (work) is serious.  My fears are serious.  And my goals are serious.  This is play – or is supposed to be.  I mean, I get yelled at by the teacher for doodling in class – my doodles got too loud or something. My doodles got to loud – what realm of absurdity have we passed into – where such things occur? Anyway. I also get criticized for smiling too much. When I was up on stage after the acting I smiled too much.  The teacher said ’stop smiling, stop smiling’.  I jested ‘but I have such a pretty smile’, my joke was unwanted, it’s hard not to smile .  But we weren’t supposed to smile, we were supposed to really get into the acting.  We were supposed to imagine someone we really cared about was hurt or something.  Wait, a second now, do I really care about *anyone*??  I *said* my parents.  I didn’t get into it.  Other people did.  I don’t get it.  And then I get accused of bottling up my emotions too much – blah. Some people in that class are intensly into it, and just seem way too intense people in general, hard to get to know, especially by one such as me.  I was aiming to get to know some of them but nah I’m going for the smiley fun loving people now – to have a conversation with anyway – time well passed at least – I shouldn’t expect more.

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post-solo logging with rated pilot

Question:

No, it’s legal, but you can’t log it.  The PIC doesn’t have to be in the left seat (as a matter of fact, traffic pilots fly right and the reporter sits left).  The PIC doesn’t have to fly the plane (just be responsible for it).  I could let my kids fly a whole x-country (perfectly legal, but not loggable for anyone). Margy

This is surprising. How is this possible ? Common sense tells me that if a flight took place, then someone ought to be able to log it. How can you ask a pilot to assume full responsibility for a flight, and yet not allow him to log it ? — Andrew Sarangan CP-ASEL-IA http://lights.chtm.unm.edu/~sarangan/aviation

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Most aviation lawyers and the FAA would have a dim view of you claiming to be the "sole manipulator of controls" if somebody else is manipulating the controls, skilled, rated, or not.

And they would have an even dimmer view of you letting someone who is not rated in that aircraft manipulating the controls.  So it is the don’t ask don’t tell thing.  If he claims he flew none of the time, and that the Non-Rated individual flew the aircraft, he is then in more trouble, after all how are they going to prove he was not the Sole Man. of the Controls? Legally he has to be, now Morally and Ethically he can not, but then Morally and ethically he should not have let the other person control the A/C.  So he would have 2 reasons to get his license suspended instead of just one, that is if he ever got caught. Chris

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The Private Pilot was the PIC, and the Sole Manipulator of the Controls.  I know what you are saying, but if anyone asks, he has to say, he was the sole manipulator of the controls.  Unless you know of a FAR that says a PAX can legal manipulate the controls of an Aircraft of which he is not rated.

The FAR do not prohibit a non-pilot from manipulating the controls. All it says is that you have to be a pilot to act as PIC or be a required crewmember. Why is this need for misrepresentation ? If an FAA guy asks, why not tell the truth ? He can’t bust you if you haven’t done anything wrong. Even if the passenger crashes the airplane while trying to land, it makes no difference. You were the PIC, so you have to assume total responsibility. This is what is surprising to me. The pilot has to assume responsibility for all outcome, yet he can’t log that flight. Very strange. — Andrew Sarangan CP-ASEL-IA http://lights.chtm.unm.edu/~sarangan/aviation

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well then technically the flight is illegal and both would lose their privileges.  The certified pilot IS the Pilot in Command.  If anything happens to that aircraft He/She is responsible, they are the Pilot in COMMAND of the aircraft.  As far as the FAA would be concerned, the student (or any PAX) should not touch the controls.  Of course people may do it all the time, but that does not  make it legal.  The private pilot in this situation would log the time, the student would log nothing, he is only a PAX. So when you take your beloved family member up for a ride and you let them fly the plane will you log that time?  Of course you will.  Will you tell the FAA guy at the airport what you did?  Probably not, but then why would he ask.  Unless you let your PAX try to land and they nosed the prop into the runway, but then who’s fault is it and what are you going to tell the FAA guy then?  And that incident that would have been a just a report now involves you losing that piece of paper you spent so much time and money on. Oh then the owner of the A/C and their insurance! The Private Pilot was the PIC, and the Sole Manipulator of the Controls.  I know what you are saying, but if anyone asks, he has to say, he was the sole manipulator of the controls.  Unless you know of a FAR that says a PAX can legal manipulate the controls of an Aircraft of which he is not rated.

Chris, from what I have learned about aviation so far, I have to agree with you completely.  You ask if you know of a FAR that says a PAX can legally manipulate the controls… I don’t know of any.  But do you know of any FAR that says that a PAX CAN’T manipulate the controls?  I looked for one, but couldn’t find a FAR that ruled one way or the other. Mystral

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[... non-rated pax/student "manipultates" controls but acting      PIC can't log any of that flight time...] [...]  The PIC doesn’t have to fly the plane (just be responsible for it).  I could let my kids fly a whole x-country (perfectly legal, but not loggable for anyone). This is surprising. How is this possible ? Common sense tells me that if a flight took place, then someone ought to be able to log it.  How can you ask a pilot to assume full responsibility for a flight, and yet not allow him to log it ?

Suprising? Perhaps.  Curious?  To me, most definitely! Extending this a little, does that mean a "pilot" cannot log the time that s/he is not manipulating the controls when the autopilot is doing the flying?   Or does monitoring the autopilot constitute "manipulating" of a control (the autopilot)? Is it because a pax is not a "control" that monitoring him/her is not considered "manipulation", although the PIC is responsible for the operation of the flight? I would think the spirit of the FARs would allow the PIC to log the time, but strict interpretation seems to prevent it.      Barney

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Why doesn’t someone start rec.aviation.logging!!! J. Neteler – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cant log PIC since a student cant take passengers (and is not rated), and cant log solo since there is someone else in the airplane, so the student cant log squat. This is a nit, but a student can log solo time if it’s in an airship that requires more than one crewmember.  I’m guessing that’s not the case here.  If it was, then it would have to be in the area endorsed for solo, otherwise, you’re not "soloing." In this example the right-seat Private pilot is obviously acting as PIC.  However, this brings up an interesting issue: assuming that this is not a aircraft requiring two crewmembers, it appears that the Private pilot cannot log the time as PIC, either — he/she is not the sole manipulator of the controls, nor is he/she alone in the aircraft (obviously).  (Forgive me for continuing to beat this dead horse…) – David Scott  N20870 Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I disagree — right seat is ACTING as PIC, but can’t log it due to the fact that he/she is not the sole manipulator of the controls and two pilots are not required for this operation.

Are you saying that you actually DEDUCT the time your wife, kid, brother, friend, etc might be manipulating the controls?  That’s silly!  The student is NOT a pilot … yet.  The right seat is definitely PIC … you can’t leave home without one … g! Dennis PP-ASEL (4B8) "I still know just enough to know that I don’t know enough"

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Student logs NOTHING, the right seat pilot logs PIC.  Refer to student pilots operations and the carrying of passengers.  If the right seater isn’t PIC, then he’s a passenger, and that’s not allowed.  

If he isn’t the sole manipulator of the controls, he can’t log anything either.

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At http://www.beapilot.com I found the following information: "Student pilots cannot carry passengers when flying solo. Friends or family may ride along on dual lessons (when your instructor is in the plane) however, and it’s a good idea to discuss this with your CFI in advance." I haven’t looked this up in the FARs to see If this is true, but if it is, the scenario questioned below is illegal. Mystral – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Scenario : A post-solo student in the left seat with a non-CFI, appropriately rated private pilot in the right seat.  Student does all the flying.  Who can log what?  Does it matter if the flight occurs outside of the area the the student was endorsed to solo in? — | Home:                | Office:                            | | 7928 Westbury Ave.   | Southwest Fisheries Science Center | | San Diego, CA 92126  | P.O. Box 271                       | | 858-695-3552         | La Jolla, CA 92038                 | |                      | 858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX)           | | "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t even know that WAS a job!" | |       – George Costanza                                   | |                                                           | | "Get off the cross, we need the wood."                    | |       – Tori Amos                                         |

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<html  <appoligies for html Are you saying that you actually DEDUCT the time your wife, kid, brother, friend, etc might be manipulating the controls?

With respect to maniuplating the controls, again, check a current copy of the FAR’s.  In order to log PIC time, you must be rated in the airplane and the <b<i sole manipulator of controls. </i</b Most aviation lawyers and the FAA would have a dim view of you claiming to be the "sole manipulator of controls" if somebody else is manipulating the controls, skilled, rated, or not. </html </appologies

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I disagree — right seat is ACTING as PIC, but can’t log it due to the fact that he/she is not the sole manipulator of the controls and two pilots are not required for this operation. Are you saying that you actually DEDUCT the time your wife, kid, brother, friend, etc might be manipulating the controls?  That’s silly!  The student is NOT a pilot … yet.  The right seat is definitely PIC … you can’t leave home without one … g!

That may be silly but it is exactly what the F.A. Regulations explicitly say. Bottom line:  If you (a rated private pilot or better, save cfi) go flying with a student pilot who is flying the plane, You are the ACTING PIC, but NEITHER of you may LOG PIC.    Check with your FAR’s or your local FSDO if you don’t understand this.

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FAR Sec. 61.89   General limitations.   (a) A student pilot may not act as pilot in command of an aircraft:     (1) That is carrying a passenger; I was unable to locate anything in the FARs that refers to what a non-CFI Private Pilot is allowed to let his or her passenger do (e.g. takeoffs and landings and everything in between).  Can anyone show where in the FARs is says whether or not it is legal for a Private Pilot to let someone else control the aircraft? Mystral – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At http://www.beapilot.com I found the following information: "Student pilots cannot carry passengers when flying solo. Friends or family may ride along on dual lessons (when your instructor is in the plane) however, and it’s a good idea to discuss this with your CFI in advance." I haven’t looked this up in the FARs to see If this is true, but if it is, the scenario questioned below is illegal. Mystral Scenario : A post-solo student in the left seat with a non-CFI, appropriately rated private pilot in the right seat.  Student does all the flying.  Who can log what?  Does it matter if the flight occurs outside of the area the the student was endorsed to solo in? — | Home:                | Office:                            | | 7928 Westbury Ave.   | Southwest Fisheries Science Center | | San Diego, CA 92126  | P.O. Box 271                       | | 858-695-3552         | La Jolla, CA 92038                 | |                      | 858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX)           | | "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t even know that WAS a job!" | |       – George Costanza                                   | |                                                           | | "Get off the cross, we need the wood."                    | |       – Tori Amos                                         |

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At http://www.beapilot.com I found the following information: "Student pilots cannot carry passengers when flying solo. Friends or family may ride along on dual lessons (when your instructor is in the plane) however, and it’s a good idea to discuss this with your CFI in advance." I haven’t looked this up in the FARs to see If this is true, but if it is, the scenario questioned below is illegal. Mystral Scenario : A post-solo student in the left seat with a non-CFI, appropriately rated private pilot in the right seat.  Student does all the flying.  Who can log what?  Does it matter if the flight occurs outside of the area the the student was endorsed to solo in?

BOTH scenarios are completely legal.  If a CFI is giving a lesson to a student, she is the PIC and she may have passengers (one of which is the student).  The student may log dual received, but NOT PIC.  In this scenario it doesn’t matter if the student has soloed or even has a student certificate.  The student certificate privileges only apply when there are not passengers in the plane (+ everything else such as type endorsement) In the second scenario, the private pilot pilot is the ACTING PIC.  He may not log the time in which he is not the "sole manipulator of controls." The student pilot may not log time because there is a passenger in the plane, which disqualifies him for being rated in the plane.  Hence, in this scenario, NOBODY LOGS PIC time. If a CFI gives instruction to a private pilot, current BFR, rated in the airplane, then BOTH pilots may LOG PIC.  Private gets PIC  + DUAL Received, CFI gets PIC + DUAL given.

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At http://www.beapilot.com I found the following information: "Student pilots cannot carry passengers when flying solo. Friends or family may ride along on dual lessons (when your instructor is in the plane) however, and it’s a good idea to discuss this with your CFI in advance." I haven’t looked this up in the FARs to see If this is true, but if it is, the scenario questioned below is illegal.

No, it’s legal, but you can’t log it.  The PIC doesn’t have to be in the left seat (as a matter of fact, traffic pilots fly right and the reporter sits left).  The PIC doesn’t have to fly the plane (just be responsible for it).  I could let my kids fly a whole x-country (perfectly legal, but not loggable for anyone). Margy

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Well then technically the flight is illegal and both would lose their privileges.  The certified pilot IS the Pilot in Command.  If anything happens to that aircraft He/She is responsible, they are the Pilot in COMMAND of the aircraft.  As far as the FAA would be concerned, the student (or any PAX) should not touch the controls.  Of course people may do it all the time, but that does not  make it legal.  The private pilot in this situation would log the time, the student would log nothing, he is only a PAX. So when you take your beloved family member up for a ride and you let them fly the plane will you log that time?  Of course you will.  Will you tell the FAA guy at the airport what you did?  Probably not, but then why would he ask.  Unless you let your PAX try to land and they nosed the prop into the runway, but then who’s fault is it and what are you going to tell the FAA guy then?  And that incident that would have been a just a report now involves you losing that piece of paper you spent so much time and money on. Oh then the owner of the A/C and their insurance! The Private Pilot was the PIC, and the Sole Manipulator of the Controls.  I know what you are saying, but if anyone asks, he has to say, he was the sole manipulator of the controls.  Unless you know of a FAR that says a PAX can legal manipulate the controls of an Aircraft of which he is not rated. Chris

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Student logs NOTHING, the right seat pilot logs PIC.  Refer to student pilots operations and the carrying of passengers.  If the right seater isn’t PIC, then he’s a passenger, and that’s not allowed. If he isn’t the sole manipulator of the controls, he can’t log anything either.

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Scenario : A post-solo student in the left seat with a non-CFI, appropriately rated private pilot in the right seat.  Student does all the flying.  Who can log what?  Does it matter if the flight occurs outside of the area the the student was endorsed to solo in?

Student logs NOTHING, the right seat pilot logs PIC.  Refer to student pilots operations and the carrying of passengers.  If the right seater isn’t PIC, then he’s a passenger, and that’s not allowed.  The only special exception is a designated examiner during the checkride. Dennis (4B8) PP-ASEL

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Scenario : A post-solo student in the left seat with a non-CFI, appropriately rated private pilot in the right seat.  Student does all the flying.  Who can log what?  Does it matter if the flight occurs outside of the area the the student was endorsed to solo in? Student logs NOTHING, the right seat pilot logs PIC.  Refer to student pilots operations and the carrying of passengers.  If the right seater isn’t PIC, then he’s a passenger, and that’s not allowed.  The only special exception is a designated examiner during the checkride.

I disagree — right seat is ACTING as PIC, but can’t log it due to the fact that he/she is not the sole manipulator of the controls and two pilots are not required for this operation. – David Scott   N20870 Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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If this is the case, and there is an accident or incident, the PIC takes responsibility.  If neither can log PIC, who IS the PIC?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Scenario : A post-solo student in the left seat with a non-CFI, appropriately rated private pilot in the right seat.  Student does all the flying.  Who can log what?  Does it matter if the flight occurs outside of the area the the student was endorsed to solo in? Neither pilot can log anything. The student can’t log PIC time because he’s not solo (nor can he legally be PIC).  The private pilot can not log PIC time because he was not the sole manipulator of the controls (though he legally can be pilot in command in this scenario).  No other logging options are open as there is no instruction or legitimate multipilot operation happening here.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cant log PIC since a student cant take passengers (and is not rated), and cant log solo since there is someone else in the airplane, so the student cant log squat. This is a nit, but a student can log solo time if it’s in an airship that requires more than one crewmember.  I’m guessing that’s not the case here.  If it was, then it would have to be in the area endorsed for solo, otherwise, you’re not "soloing." In this example the right-seat Private pilot is obviously acting as PIC.  However, this brings up an interesting issue: assuming that this is not a aircraft requiring two crewmembers, it appears that the Private pilot cannot log the time as PIC, either — he/she is not the sole manipulator of the controls, nor is he/she alone in the aircraft (obviously).  (Forgive me for continuing to beat this dead horse…)

I gotta say that the passenger, a licensed pilot, *is* PIC. The student is ONLY licensed to solo the plane, and that only at his own airfield and any others for which he has a specific endorsement (like the ones he may have visited or be authorised to visit on solo XC). Because the student is NOT licensed to fly with any passengers (instructor is not a "passenger"), he is not legally flying the plane. Since we can all agree that a plane in the air really ought to have a pilot, there’s only one choice: the licensed pilot. In this case, at least accoding to the FARs as I read ‘em (and the gubmint as I know it), what we have here is a non-CFI pilot (right seat) allowing a (technically) non-pilot to manipulate the controls from the left seat. While it may not be legal, I haven’t yet met the private pilot who hasn’t let pax fly the plane (at least straight and level at a few thousand feet). The licensed pilot logs time as PIC and the student doesn’t log squat. Unless he wants to talk with the nice men in the cheap suits. Cheers- m w "on my way to -A*M*EL" grossmann

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Scenario : A post-solo student in the left seat with a non-CFI, appropriately rated private pilot in the right seat.  Student does all the flying.  Who can log what?  Does it matter if the flight occurs outside of the area the the student was endorsed to solo in? — | Home:                | Office:                            | | 7928 Westbury Ave.   | Southwest Fisheries Science Center | | San Diego, CA 92126  | P.O. Box 271                       | | 858-695-3552         | La Jolla, CA 92038                 | |                      | 858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX)           | | "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t even know that WAS a job!" | |       – George Costanza                                   | |                                                           | | "Get off the cross, we need the wood."                    | |       – Tori Amos                                         |

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Cant log PIC since a student cant take passengers (and is not rated), and cant log solo since there is someone else in the airplane, so the student cant log squat. gooch

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Cant log PIC since a student cant take passengers (and is not rated), and cant log solo since there is someone else in the airplane, so the student cant log squat.

While it’s true that the student can’t log anything in this situation, a student CAN log PIC if he is the sole occupant of the aircraft (i.e. on a solo.) JKG Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Scenario : A post-solo student in the left seat with a non-CFI, appropriately rated private pilot in the right seat.  Student does all the flying.  Who can log what?  Does it matter if the flight occurs outside of the area the the student was endorsed to solo in?

There is a passnger on board and your endorsement forbids flying in that area. Hence you cannot act as PIC on that flight. Therefore you cannot log that as PIC either. The only time you may log PIC while not acting as PIC is when you are the sole manipulator of the controls and have at least a Private pilot certificate, or you are a CFI giving instruction. — Andrew Sarangan CP-ASEL-IA http://lights.chtm.unm.edu/~sarangan/aviation

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Cant log PIC since a student cant take passengers (and is not rated), and cant log solo since there is someone else in the airplane, so the student cant log squat.

This is a nit, but a student can log solo time if it’s in an airship that requires more than one crewmember.  I’m guessing that’s not the case here.  If it was, then it would have to be in the area endorsed for solo, otherwise, you’re not "soloing." In this example the right-seat Private pilot is obviously acting as PIC.  However, this brings up an interesting issue: assuming that this is not a aircraft requiring two crewmembers, it appears that the Private pilot cannot log the time as PIC, either — he/she is not the sole manipulator of the controls, nor is he/she alone in the aircraft (obviously).  (Forgive me for continuing to beat this dead horse…) – David Scott   N20870 Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Scenario : A post-solo student in the left seat with a non-CFI, appropriately rated private pilot in the right seat.  Student does all the flying.  Who can log what?  Does it matter if the flight occurs outside of the area the the student was endorsed to solo in?

Neither pilot can log anything. The student can’t log PIC time because he’s not solo (nor can he legally be PIC).  The private pilot can not log PIC time because he was not the sole manipulator of the controls (though he legally can be pilot in command in this scenario).  No other logging options are open as there is no instruction or legitimate multipilot operation happening here.

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I use SBox when I want a structured flight using my av and approach charts and a very detailed flight plan. Now, if I want something a lot lighter, I use the Zone with RogerWilco. To be honest, I’d prefer to combine the SBox *real* professional style with a voice system like RW rather than having to type–although, if you think about it, it must also be tough to remember long instructions without writing them down on paper or something, as with the current typed SBox, you can always scroll up an see the previous messages. So my point is, I’d like to keep SBox very professional, as similar a possible to the real thing for people who, like me, would like to [some day] learn to fly real planes even at my tender age of 43.  For those "lighter" days of the months, I use the dreaded Zone with RogerWilco for a real fun treat. Jorge Padron — – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Jonathan! For online flight, with squawkbox or anything else, I suggest either Roger Wilco or BattleCom for realtime, multi-pilot voice communications using a microphone.  Squawkbox/ProController is working at adding a system like this into theirs… but I must say, while the realism of Procontroller and Squawkbox has been pushed to new heights, the squawk/pc community has become more and more EXCLUSIVE… when it started (those glory days of yore, and the old guard nod and smile knowingly) it was just a bunch of people who wanted controlled airspace and it wasn’t so freaking serious… So what, you don’t know every section of FAA… you Learn them by flying them and being instructed as you go, and you SHOULD understand when you reach those dizzying heights of greatness that those newbies behind you are just like you were. I can fully understand, for those real pilots out there who want realistic ATC to the highest degree, it must be a wonderful tool.  However, I seriously doubt every flightsim pilot out there is a qualified pilot as well, having a working knowledge of flight rules inside and out, and how to deal with a tower.  Furthermore, I seriously doubt every flightsimmer out there has top end machines with the best of the best, to cater to the whims of every shit hot Controller who gets pee’d off ‘cuz you have the GALL to ask for something twice, or in plain english, until you learn the jargon (he says, as he acknowledges RGR ORD_DEP, cleared for t/o rw 32L, c/m 3500 at r/w heading, expect FL140 in ten, Xray Romeo Hotel, all TYPED while trying to FLY the damned profile… thank god for pause buttons). A buddy of mine told me before I tried golfing "Its best when you play with three or four guys who like the game, but don’t give a darn" and he’s right; its better when you’re playing golf to have fun, to relax, not to WIN… if you’re gonna treat this like real life to the very letter, find yourself a room and let the rest of us do some flying the way its meant to be done.. expression of freedom, release, doing something you’d rather be doing but CAN’T for whatever reason. FOR THIS REASON, I’d suggest you check out online flying with Roger Wilco (http://www.resounding.com) or BattleCom (http://www.shadowfactor.com/beta.html)… try the beta’s, see if you like ‘em, and then decide before you get snagged into an arguably "more realistic" trap. (Better get your pilot rating , and number, and callsign, too while you’re at it.) Rantingly, James. I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC communication which is lacking on FS98 in my oppinion. Anyone who can help me please E-Mail me: Many Thanks — James Parsons Memorial University of Newfoundland http://www.cs.mun.ca/~james2/

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…..If you go on there and say "Uhh – I’m new to this" – I know the controllers will bend over backwards to help you learn the proper procedures and answer any questions you have.  They’re not there to yell at you – they are there because they enjoy controlling just as much as you enjoy flying.

YES ! Couldn’t agree more. As a newbie with SB, all controllers have had their heads screwed on the right way, and treat new people to a sim with common sense. Can’t really speak highly enough for them…. And guess what – it’s fun ! — KBS

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Hey JP, nice initials! While I can understand your concern about SB/PC being "too exclusive" I, for one, am glad that there are controls on who is using the system.  I’ve seen too many instances (especially "back in the day") where pilots would suddenly "develop emergencies" such that more people were declaring emergencies than not.  I’ve also seen 3 or 4 "Air Force One’s" demanding first priority.

I know what you’re saying, and I agree there need to be controls, but… this is ridiculous.  I rant mostly (and unusually for me) becuz I haven’t been using it, more than "Those bloody idiots pissed me off again".  I had nothing but good experiences with PC/SB when I was first using it, I went head over heels with the level of realism they could offer, and I KNEW it was gonna start getting exclusive the moment they started having testing procedures for their pilots and controllers.  The BEAUTY of this system is you have the option of where you wanna connect and whatnot… and if a controller gets on your nerves (for whatever reason) and is generally being a pain rather than an aid, you can leave. Its not like you’re stuck at FL140. As far as controllers getting p.o.’d – I’ve never seen it happen where it wasn’t due to something extremely annoying or stupid on the part of the person causing the source of the annoyment  <SNIPPED THE ANECDOTE, IT WAS GOOD THOUGH Now, if they are very curt (sp?) with you – it’s probably because there are a ton of people they need to move into or out of the air or around the airport.  It ain’t because they want to yell at you.

They can choose to ignore with SB/PC too… boy that’d be even simpler… well that is unless the program demands proper spacing of a/c and whatnot… in which case, I think thats a little too much.  You either treat people as means to an end (I’ll suffer the yahoo’s, Air Force One’s, and fake emergencies just so I can get my credentials, and THEN its all easy sailing) or you can treat them as ends in themselves (This guy is being a moron, time to switch to channel IGNORE and pay attention to the pilots who are with me). Every time I’ve been using SB – and I’ve been using it since it’s inception – all of the controllers have been extremely easy to work with – very friendly – and always getting more professional.  After all – isn’t *that* why we use SB/PC – *because* we *want* professional-acting controllers and pilots.

I argue that this is becuz you are aiming for proficiency.  Some wackos (myself included) enjoy it too, learning the system and following it to the letter for no better reason than flying astounds and delights me.  I can guarentee we’re (these two groups) not the entirety of FS pilots… and I happen to think that its worth relaxing rules to accomodate all simmers. The other side of this argument (and I recognize it) is that if I decide to use a server that is being maintained and run by Satco, than I should abide by their rules, and I have no problem with that either, its just a question of respect. I’d much rather see the text (or hear it over BFC) "WW5041, taxi to RWY 32L via taxiways M and L2, hold short, contact Tower on 121.35"  Than to see (or hear) "Uhh, yeah – move to the Runway over there – I think it’s 32L or something. When you get there, stop and then talk to Joe on 121.35"

I differ in opinion there, for the plain reason that everyone is not a real pilot… and the first time user who snags a seasoned controller will draw ridicule for not knowing taxiway M from a hole in the ground. I WANT the controllers to be as professional as possible – not only do I enjoy it because it increases realism, but the fact that I am using procedures as real as possible allows me to not get too rusty (as far as comm procedures, reporting procedures, and flying the published approaches) when I am not taking real flying lessons.

Exactly. I understand that… and I said that I can see this program’s utility for pilots and students in my original post.  Not everyone is a pilot. My advice is – read the FAQ, try SB and see if it’s for you.  If you go on there and say "Uhh – I’m new to this" – I know the controllers will bend over backwards to help you learn the proper procedures and answer any questions you have.  They’re not there to yell at you – they are there because they enjoy controlling just as much as you enjoy flying.

Roger that JP… I think that this is true for a huge majority of the time… but I think there still ought to be a server where newer users can learn the ropes in a friendlier, less reactive environment, for the sake of both the dedicated users as well as the newer users.  For that matter I think there ought to be a server where I don’t have to log on with a pilot or controller number, but that’s Satco’s volition, and seeing how the system is set up with this validation unit integrated, its kinda hard to backward engineer it now. My main point wasn’t to blast SB/PC completely, to call it useless, or call a boycott or anything like that… just its farcical to say that SB/PC can be learned and used in ten minutes flat.  New users need to be integrated into the whole as memebers who are every bit as important as the ones who’ve been there since the beginning. Straighten up and fly right, regards, James P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Jonathan! For online flight, with squawkbox or anything else, I suggest either Roger Wilco or BattleCom for realtime, multi-pilot voice communications using a microphone.  Squawkbox/ProController is working at adding a system like this into theirs… but I must say, while the realism of Procontroller and Squawkbox has been pushed to new heights, the squawk/pc community has become more and more EXCLUSIVE… when it started (those glory days of yore, and the old guard nod and smile knowingly) it was just a bunch of people who wanted controlled airspace and it wasn’t so freaking serious… So what, you don’t know every section of FAA… you Learn them by flying them and being instructed as you go, and you SHOULD understand when you reach those dizzying heights of greatness that those newbies behind you are just like you were. I can fully understand, for those real pilots out there who want realistic ATC to the highest degree, it must be a wonderful tool.  However, I seriously doubt every flightsim pilot out there is a qualified pilot as well, having a working knowledge of flight rules inside and out, and how to deal with a tower.  Furthermore, I seriously doubt every flightsimmer out there has top end machines with the best of the best, to cater to the whims of every shit hot Controller who gets pee’d off ‘cuz you have the GALL to ask for something twice, or in plain english, until you learn the jargon (he says, as he acknowledges RGR ORD_DEP, cleared for t/o rw 32L, c/m 3500 at r/w heading, expect FL140 in ten, Xray Romeo Hotel, all TYPED while trying to FLY the damned profile… thank god for pause buttons). A buddy of mine told me before I tried golfing "Its best when you play with three or four guys who like the game, but don’t give a darn" and he’s right; its better when you’re playing golf to have fun, to relax, not to WIN… if you’re gonna treat this like real life to the very letter, find yourself a room and let the rest of us do some flying the way its meant to be done.. expression of freedom, release, doing something you’d rather be doing but CAN’T for whatever reason. FOR THIS REASON, I’d suggest you check out online flying with Roger Wilco (http://www.resounding.com) or BattleCom (http://www.shadowfactor.com/beta.html)… try the beta’s, see if you like ‘em, and then decide before you get snagged into an arguably "more realistic" trap. (Better get your pilot rating , and number, and callsign, too while you’re at it.) Rantingly, James. I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC communication which is lacking on FS98 in my oppinion. Anyone who can help me please E-Mail me: Many Thanks

– James Parsons Memorial University of Newfoundland http://www.cs.mun.ca/~james2/

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I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC communication which is lacking on FS98 in my oppinion. Anyone who can help me please E-Mail me: Many Thanks

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Try www.simviation.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC communication which is lacking on FS98 in my oppinion. Anyone who can help me please E-Mail me: Many Thanks

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Hi Jonathan, first of all make sure you’ve got fs98pat1.exe from microsoft and fsfsconv.exe, available all over the web. Then I advise you to use gpws98 available at http://www.flightsimmers.net/gpws Kind regards, Kees Jonathan Lawson heeft geschreven in bericht – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC communication which is lacking on FS98 in my oppinion. Anyone who can help me please E-Mail me: Many Thanks

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If your into flying on line and want Flight Management controls, then you must get Squawkbox www.satco.satnet.org Ian www.iguy.freeserve.co.uk/vas.htm (there are links there)

Try www.simviation.com

I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC communication which is lacking on FS98 in my oppinion. Anyone who can help me please E-Mail me: Many Thanks

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I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC

Check out Flight Simulator Finland: http://www.fsfinland.dahle.net/ (the largest Scandinavian FS site with hunderds of Megabytes of different add-ons to FS) — Sami Puro – Flight Simulator Finland Webmaster – http://www.fsfinland.dahle.net

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Why dont you try www.flightsim.com I think it is one of hhe best. zman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC Check out Flight Simulator Finland: http://www.fsfinland.dahle.net/ (the largest Scandinavian FS site with hunderds of Megabytes of different add-ons to FS) — Sami Puro – Flight Simulator Finland Webmaster – http://www.fsfinland.dahle.net

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I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC Check out Flight Simulator Finland: http://www.fsfinland.dahle.net/ (the largest Scandinavian FS site with hunderds of Megabytes of different add-ons to FS)

These days, I don’t know that you need to have a _single_ best site.   There are some which are good general sources, and others which might be ideal for particular interests. As a for-instance, anyone interested in FS flying over the UK really ought to bookmark the www.magrathea.clara.net site because of the UK Scenery Project.  But if you’re not interested in that part of the world, there’s not really much of interest. And one or two of the really good sites are a bit awkward because of the traffic levels, even though they do carry a lot of good stuff. If I’m reading my bookmark file right, home.att.net/~chdome/ is definitely worth a look for anyone interested in aircraft and panels. But there is so much stuff out there, on so many sites, that the best way to answer your question might be to try a few search engines.  Look for the particular sorts of aircraft you’re interested in, but don’t forget to include "FS98" or whatever in the search pattern. — David G. Bell — Farmer, SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

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I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC communication which is lacking on FS98 in my oppinion. Anyone who can help me please E-Mail me: Many Thanks

Squawkbox. the ONLY addon you need! Live atc from real people, real weather, a fully functioning FMS and TCAS… FREE! I think the site is http://www.avsim.com/mike/sb_pc — Mike Teague – http://glock.triax.com

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Hi Jonathan! For online flight, with squawkbox or anything else, I suggest either Roger Wilco or BattleCom for realtime, multi-pilot voice communications using a microphone.  Squawkbox/ProController is working at adding a system like this into theirs… but I must say, while the realism of Procontroller and Squawkbox has been pushed to new heights, the squawk/pc community has become more and more EXCLUSIVE… when it started (those glory days of yore, and the old guard nod and smile knowingly) it was just a bunch of people who wanted controlled airspace and it wasn’t so freaking serious… So what, you don’t know every section of FAA… you Learn them by flying them and being instructed as you go, and you SHOULD understand when you reach those dizzying heights of greatness that those newbies behind you are just like you were. I can fully understand, for those real pilots out there who want realistic ATC to the highest degree, it must be a wonderful tool.  However, I seriously doubt every flightsim pilot out there is a qualified pilot as well, having a working knowledge of flight rules inside and out, and how to deal with a tower.  Furthermore, I seriously doubt every flightsimmer out there has top end machines with the best of the best, to cater to the whims of every shit hot Controller who gets pee’d off ‘cuz you have the GALL to ask for something twice, or in plain english, until you learn the jargon (he says, as he acknowledges RGR ORD_DEP, cleared for t/o rw 32L, c/m 3500 at r/w heading, expect FL140 in ten, Xray Romeo Hotel, all TYPED while trying to FLY the damned profile… thank god for pause buttons). A buddy of mine told me before I tried golfing "Its best when you play with three or four guys who like the game, but don’t give a darn" and he’s right; its better when you’re playing golf to have fun, to relax, not to WIN… if you’re gonna treat this like real life to the very letter, find yourself a room and let the rest of us do some flying the way its meant to be done.. expression of freedom, release, doing something you’d rather be doing but CAN’T for whatever reason. FOR THIS REASON, I’d suggest you check out online flying with Roger Wilco (http://www.resounding.com) or BattleCom (http://www.shadowfactor.com/beta.html)… try the beta’s, see if you like ‘em, and then decide before you get snagged into an arguably "more realistic" trap. (Better get your pilot rating , and number, and callsign, too while you’re at it.) Rantingly, James. I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC communication which is lacking on FS98 in my oppinion. Anyone who can help me please E-Mail me: Many Thanks

– James Parsons Memorial University of Newfoundland http://www.cs.mun.ca/~james2/

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While I can understand your concern about SB/PC being "too exclusive" I, for one, am glad that there are controls on who is using the system.  I’ve seen too many instances (especially "back in the day") where pilots would suddenly "develop emergencies" such that more people were declaring emergencies than not.  I’ve also seen 3 or 4 "Air Force One’s" demanding first priority. As far as controllers getting p.o.’d – I’ve never seen it happen where it wasn’t due to something extremely annoying or stupid on the part of the person causing the source of the annoyment (about a month ago, flying in Indy/St Louis/Cinncy corridor – I was witness to two different people declaring emergencies on takeoff due to engine fires within 5 mins of each other.  While this in and of itself may not warrant a pissed-off controller, the fact that they were *also* ignoring his vectors back to the airport is probably what led to him calling in a "SatcoX" controller – one of the management types – to deal with the situation.)  Now, if they are very curt (sp?) with you – it’s probably because there are a ton of people they need to move into or out of the air or around the airport.  It ain’t because they want to yell at you. Every time I’ve been using SB – and I’ve been using it since it’s inception – all of the controllers have been extremely easy to work with – very friendly – and always getting more professional.  After all – isn’t *that* why we use SB/PC – *because* we *want* professional-acting controllers and pilots.  I’d much rather see the text (or hear it over BFC) "WW5041, taxi to RWY 32L via taxiways M and L2, hold short, contact Tower on 121.35"  Than to see (or hear) "Uhh, yeah – move to the Runway over there – I think it’s 32L or something. When you get there, stop and then talk to Joe on 121.35" I WANT the controllers to be as professional as possible – not only do I enjoy it because it increases realism, but the fact that I am using procedures as real as possible allows me to not get too rusty (as far as comm procedures, reporting procedures, and flying the published approaches) when I am not taking real flying lessons. My advice is – read the FAQ, try SB and see if it’s for you.  If you go on there and say "Uhh – I’m new to this" – I know the controllers will bend over backwards to help you learn the proper procedures and answer any questions you have.  They’re not there to yell at you – they are there because they enjoy controlling just as much as you enjoy flying. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi Jonathan! For online flight, with squawkbox or anything else, I suggest either Roger Wilco or BattleCom for realtime, multi-pilot voice communications using a microphone.  Squawkbox/ProController is working at adding a system like this into theirs… but I must say, while the realism of Procontroller and Squawkbox has been pushed to new heights, the squawk/pc community has become more and more EXCLUSIVE… when it started (those glory days of yore, and the old guard nod and smile knowingly) it was just a bunch of people who wanted controlled airspace and it wasn’t so freaking serious… So what, you don’t know every section of FAA… you Learn them by flying them and being instructed as you go, and you SHOULD understand when you reach those dizzying heights of greatness that those newbies behind you are just like you were. I can fully understand, for those real pilots out there who want realistic ATC to the highest degree, it must be a wonderful tool.  However, I seriously doubt every flightsim pilot out there is a qualified pilot as well, having a working knowledge of flight rules inside and out, and how to deal with a tower.  Furthermore, I seriously doubt every flightsimmer out there has top end machines with the best of the best, to cater to the whims of every shit hot Controller who gets pee’d off ‘cuz you have the GALL to ask for something twice, or in plain english, until you learn the jargon (he says, as he acknowledges RGR ORD_DEP, cleared for t/o rw 32L, c/m 3500 at r/w heading, expect FL140 in ten, Xray Romeo Hotel, all TYPED while trying to FLY the damned profile… thank god for pause buttons). A buddy of mine told me before I tried golfing "Its best when you play with three or four guys who like the game, but don’t give a darn" and he’s right; its better when you’re playing golf to have fun, to relax, not to WIN… if you’re gonna treat this like real life to the very letter, find yourself a room and let the rest of us do some flying the way its meant to be done.. expression of freedom, release, doing something you’d rather be doing but CAN’T for whatever reason. FOR THIS REASON, I’d suggest you check out online flying with Roger Wilco (http://www.resounding.com) or BattleCom (http://www.shadowfactor.com/beta.html)… try the beta’s, see if you like ‘em, and then decide before you get snagged into an arguably "more realistic" trap. (Better get your pilot rating , and number, and callsign, too while you’re at it.) Rantingly, James. I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC communication which is lacking on FS98 in my oppinion. Anyone who can help me please E-Mail me: Many Thanks

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Does anyone know how to start your own film company?

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Get a video camera and start shooting some of your great ideas.  You will quickly realize how difficult it really is. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I’ve been told that I have some amazing concepts for films, and now I’ve decided to do something about it.  I have a lot of stage acting/directing experience, and I’ve been a principle in a cable television show, but I have no idea how to break into the filmmaking business, because i’ve primarily dealt with theater.  Is there anyone who can spare a few pointers, and share a little knowledge.  You’d be beautiful. thanks JD

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On Being a Child emtionally

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hey heather… totally can relate… a year ago when i started seeing my therapist he put my emotional age at about seven years old… half a year ago i graduated to ten years and now i’m a not-so-sweet sixteen. anyhow… it’s really easy to freak out over emotions… i’ve done it all my life. Here are some of the activities that have been most effective over the years: ART… try painting a picture LARGER than your emotions. get a big sheet or something and spraypaint it out in your yard, or paint with brushes and your hands. Or get lots of posterboard and do poster size pictures. one of the best ones i ever did was this angry screaming face (i ended up crying SO HARD about halfway through, it was really intense to actually depict the way i felt inside) with the word FUCK smeared across it. if you don’t like them after, burn them. it feels good. art has a lot of power to it. ugly, angry, violent, sensitive, beautiful, and just plain intense images all give you power… it doesn’t have to conform to any idea of what an image SHOULD be either… it can just be bright, searing colours or somber, thick blacks… mediums like collage, charcoal, paint… all have a lot of potential. smashing glass or plates. go to the thrift store and buy some cheapo ugly plates. smash them and make a mosaic from it using grout and a spare piece of wood. singing, dancing, jumping up and down, walking into your room and just falling down… physical activities. often when it’s inappropriate for me to show my emotions (like when my mum asks me if i’m gaining weight or not) i excuse myself and walk into the bathroom or another such room where no one can see, and i squich up and contort my whole body and my face in this almost comic silent scream of horror and anger. tensing up the whole body and RELEASING the muscle tension on purpose really helps. now that life is getting a little better i also walk into the bathroom to give myself the silent cheer, wave, and general positive reinforcement. i find that making my body caricature the feeling helps me get it out in a reasonable fashion. bake bread. kneading dough does wonders for the emotions. go for a long walk down a busy street and talk to myself really really loudly, bitching about everything. by the time the walk is over i’ve usually talked myself into being happy again. changing clothes to wear bright, angry colours. rent kung fu movies. also steven seagal, jackie chan, quentin tarantino… cheer whenever the bad guys bite the dust. in the long run… yoga, tai chi, meditation. breathing exercises to move the energy through the whole body. grounding exercises to let the angry bad childish energy flow down the spine into the earth to be transformed into good happy relaxed energy coming up through the feet all the way up into the third eye. contemplate something in nature… allow yourself to exist in peace… it’s something i stopped doing when the frenzy of eating disordered activity came in… allowing silence, allowing no-thought, allowing yourself to hear the gentle rushing of water, the buzzing of sap in trees… contemplating the changes of the seasons, being observant about the world around you helps you to move outside yourself and gain some perspective. letting yourself have the feeling in a way which creates something new, for which you have something to show when it’s all over, without guilt or judgement of any kind. seeing the emotions as being a natural part of life that everyone works through in their own ways, emotions that ebb and flow and will pass through you if you allow them to. reminding yourself that trying to control emotions simply obstructs their flow out of you. if you need to cry, cry. follow your instinct and do what feels natural and right and most of all, nurturing to you. also, feel the feeling. love feeling it, even if it hurts. don’t self-medicate, don’t run away or try to numb the feelings. just feel, recognized ‘this is sadness’ or ‘this is anger’ or ‘this is a sort of sad-angry-guilty for no reason-powerful feeling’… or even ‘this is so complex a feeling i can’t define it, i can just feel it’, put on some good music, have a cry or an art session or sit and write in your diary. something i’ve learned is that allowing myself to grow up emotionally has a lot to do with allowing myself to LET GO of the feeling once the time has passed. tantrums have a lot to do with not wanting to allow change of any sort, not wanting to have whatever change brought on the tantrum, and not wanting to leave the tantrum state. the calm AFTER the storm is a beautiful, ultra-clear time. above all, respect yourself and your emotions. they’re all valid, however they are expressed. love and peace, zakira.

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Hi Heather, If you are willing to give art a try-I would recommend working with clay.  You can pound and twist and flatten it, smear it, squish it, even beat it!! And if you don’t like what you make, you can just smash it flat again. I can relate to what you are going through.  I never believed that my B/P-ing was a way to stifle emotions until I stopped doing it and they (my feelings) were all over the place. Esp. anger.  I pulled weeds in my garden alot and rode my neighbors horse (who is fairly stupid and very stubborn so also good for relieving tension).  It’s harder in the winter though. Take care, Amy

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hi heather, and *HUGS*…just wanted to say that while i know it may feel like things are so nuts right now, it actually makes sense to me what’s going on with you…if you’ve been using food for so long to keep all the feelings under control, well, they don’t go away, so when you stop, they burst out all over the place.  boy, can i relate!  so, thoughts on some self-soothing behaviors… what about some kind of drawing?  i used pastels and things like that, and just scribble away…give myself permission for it to be whatever it is (and not be some perfect work of art), and just go to it! clay work is good, but it can really stir you up, so you might want to be careful with that… are you house sitting by yourself?  what about putting onyour favorite music and singing as loud as you can?  and dancing? sometimes i also (okay, this may sound silly) i "write" movie scenes in my head and act them out, the cathartic fight, the oscar winning monologue…it helps me both get them out, and distance myself from it a bit… just some thoughts…         dolphin

: Dear ASED, : I am still around for those who were wondering- I just an house sitting so I am : not on line every day.  But I am trying still to give up my Binging and Purging : and I am finding out that my emotions are running crazy right now. : This is spoilered for behavior: : @ : @ : @ : @ : @ : @ : @ : @ : @ : @ : @ : I am fining out that being without binging and Purging is really awful in a lot : ways- I feel like a child having tamtrums and being all out of control. I feell : so helpless and although I know that the choices are mine- I find myself acting : out again and again., : I am angry all the time and I am reverting to other self distructive behaviors- : drinking more then usual…. smoking pot and wanting to rather then just doing : in once a year or so socially….. Being late for everything so that I am : endangering my jobs….. My therapist says that I am punishing myself for : something and have just switched from using food to using other behaviors.  I : knew that she is right but I feel so out of control. We are trying to find a : trasition behavior that might help me get through this- Any suggestions? I need : some help. We have talked about art of various forms but I am not sure that : will help. : Anyway, any thoughts would help. I will try to chechin tomorow. : To Better Days : Love Heather — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:

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Dear ASED, I am still around for those who were wondering- I just an house sitting so I am not on line every day.  But I am trying still to give up my Binging and Purging and I am finding out that my emotions are running crazy right now. This is spoilered for behavior: @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ I am fining out that being without binging and Purging is really awful in a lot ways- I feel like a child having tamtrums and being all out of control. I feell so helpless and although I know that the choices are mine- I find myself acting out again and again., I am angry all the time and I am reverting to other self distructive behaviors- drinking more then usual…. smoking pot and wanting to rather then just doing in once a year or so socially….. Being late for everything so that I am endangering my jobs….. My therapist says that I am punishing myself for something and have just switched from using food to using other behaviors.  I knew that she is right but I feel so out of control. We are trying to find a trasition behavior that might help me get through this- Any suggestions? I need some help. We have talked about art of various forms but I am not sure that will help. Anyway, any thoughts would help. I will try to chechin tomorow. To Better Days Love Heather

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lalalallalal!!!!!! Jenn, my sweet, this is your cue to join in! I’m right here beside you Gazelle!!!! You’ll have to let me know where you found the purple suit You, me and Barry need a night out at the Coba, coba cobana…lalalala! Don’t forget Neil too. Rumour has it Whtmountin loves that song? Teehee!! Now I’m in trouble

Uh oh, Jenn – you may have people coming after you! But this reminds me, talking about FUN music, I was in the car today, and on the radio was a countdown of the top 500 dance songs – I only caught the top 5, but here they are: 5.  Le Freak, by Chic (sp.?) 4.  YMCA, by the Village People 3.  Last Dance by Donna Summers 2.  I Will Survive, by Gloria Gaynor and number one…. Talk about music to put you in a good mood – just too bouncy to be able to sit still while listening……so if you want music to put you in a happier frame of mind… love, Gazelle, still humming……hell no – dancing around the room!!!!!!! — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:

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lalalallalal!!!!!! Jenn, my sweet, this is your cue to join in!

I’m right here beside you Gazelle!!!! You’ll have to let me know where you found the purple suit You, me and Barry need a night out at the Coba, coba cobana…lalalala! Don’t forget Neil too. Rumour has it Whtmountin loves that song? Teehee!! Now I’m in trouble Love, Jenn Singing the blues tonight but I hear Manilow has many good songs to bring out those tears…"this one’s for you wherever you are, lalala" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – love, Gazelle, wearing her purple Manilow-esque jumpsuit?

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are you house sitting by yourself?  what about putting onyour favorite music and singing as loud as you can?  

AH!  Here’s my cue!  How ’bout putting on some Barry Manilow, and acting like a singing and dancing fool? Can’t smile..without you…I’m finding it hard, to do anything….. lalalallalal!!!!!! Jenn, my sweet, this is your cue to join in! love, Gazelle, wearing her purple Manilow-esque jumpsuit? — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:

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So now I'm in Jail…

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  You went to Mr. Toad and had me arrested.  They find me guilty in open court of casting spells that did physical harm and the Judge sticks me in Jail.     Unlike your standard crook which can be locked up, a Witch can continue to cast her spells from prison.  The only obvious solution, *BURN THE WITCH*. —                                           //// /// ‘~ (    —–                                                    // /  // :    ) —–    Raven                                             /  /  /  /)   / —-    BlackBane                                                /   //..\                    

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:   You went to Mr. Toad and had me arrested.  They find me guilty in open : court of casting spells that did physical harm and the Judge sticks me in : Jail.   :   Unlike your standard crook which can be locked up, a Witch can continue to : cast her spells from prison.  The only obvious solution, *BURN THE WITCH*. : —   Oh good!  And since your advocate/partner Ren claims in the sig at the end of posts that you are the only witch in this group, this means that you will burn, and we will finally be rid of you.   I can go back to enjoying this ng again.  Thank Goddess.   Let us know how your mighty burn the witch spell works against yourself.

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  You went to Mr. Toad and had me arrested.  They find me guilty in open court of casting spells that did physical harm and the Judge sticks me in Jail.   Unlike your standard crook which can be locked up, a Witch can continue to cast her spells from prison.  The only obvious solution, *BURN THE WITCH*.

*ren give the torch to the newsgroup* Go on and burn this inhuman thing. You’ve already expressed to everyone that this is what you want. Burn her in your jealousy because you people ain’t no witch and you wish you were. Burn me with her. Because I don’t want to be human. I don’t want to be like you’z people anymore. You Petty, Stupid, people who don’t know how to ignore. Rather you want to control this newsgroup and eliminate those who disagree with you. You want to shape Wicca in your image so that new people only here your words that must conform to your collective dogma. So burn us. We will rise from the ashes of our own death and prove you wrong.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   You went to Mr. Toad and had me arrested.  They find me guilty in open court of casting spells that did physical harm and the Judge sticks me in Jail.   Unlike your standard crook which can be locked up, a Witch can continue to cast her spells from prison.  The only obvious solution, *BURN THE WITCH*. *ren give the torch to the newsgroup* Go on and burn this inhuman thing. You’ve already expressed to everyone that this is what you want. Burn her in your jealousy because you people ain’t no witch and you wish you were. Burn me with her. Because I don’t want to be human. I don’t want to be like you’z people anymore. You Petty, Stupid, people who don’t know how to ignore. Rather you want to control this newsgroup and eliminate those who disagree with you. You want to shape Wicca in your image so that new people only here your words that must conform to your collective dogma. So burn us. We will rise from the ashes of our own death and prove you wrong.

*Wolf douses torch*  The person that mentioned "Burning the witch" was the ONLY Witch on the ng, by her own definition.  I choose not to ignore because of my curiousity, which I have mentioned many times.  I have yet to hear an ANSWER from you Ren, regarding ANY of my questions either in email or on the ng.  RBB claimed not so long ago that she could teach us so much if we would only listen, to which I responded with an open mind and an offer to teach me what she could.  She hasn’t responded either, though I doubt that that had anything to do with you.  My point, Ren, is that I have seen Pandoras post, and I can accept that RBB has powers.   Yes, I can ACCEPT it.  I also could accept that she wished to TEACH us, and was more than willing to listen.  You, on the other hand, have been claiming that we could learn so much from her.  That if only we knew what YOU know.  I have asked time and time again, and you have refused to respond in kind.  Only one vague comment per post, if I remember correctly, and if there was an "answer" from you in ANY of them, I missed it.  You have suddenly decided that death is better than life, judging by the content of recent posts.  Death…being brought up again and again.   Don’t get me wrong, death is fine and dandy, and being suicidal at various points in my life has taught me to accept it as a part of life.   It is NOT, however, LIFE.  Death is at the end.  Why not LIVE, and save death for the end?  I’m calling you, Ren.  The more that you refuse to answer my questions, the worse off you look.  You may not give a sh*t either way, but I do.  I care for anyone that is kind enough to see the sincerity in my posts, and despite your vague comments, I know that you respect my opinion because it’s not a flame.  You can choose to respond to this in kind, or not.  I will burn no one. Blessed Be, Were^Wolf Oh, Fee, you’re trying to live a life that’s completely free. You’re racing with the wind You’re flirting with death So have a cup of coffee And catch your breath.         –Phish           "Fee"

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  You went to Mr. Toad and had me arrested.  They find me guilty in open court of casting spells that did physical harm and the Judge sticks me in Jail.   Unlike your standard crook which can be locked up, a Witch can continue to cast her spells from prison.  The only obvious solution, *BURN THE WITCH*.

Nah, you’re not a witch. Loki

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: : Nah, you’re not a witch. :  Sniff, sniff!  I smell doubt and fear.  The price is heavy and you have already claimed the will to pay…                    too late….                          no refund……. —                                           //// /// ‘~ (    —–                                                    // /  // :    ) —–    Raven                                             /  /  /  /)   / —-    BlackBane                                                /   //..\                    

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Blessed Be, Magic Rat Feydeeral Agent

It is a Federal Crime to pretend to be a Federal Agent. I want to know your badge number.

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: Blessed Be, : Magic Rat : Feydeeral Agent : : It is a Federal Crime to pretend to be a Federal Agent. I want to know your badge : number. : When I stop laughing, I’ll tell you.   Can’t you *read?* Fey, as in Otherworld. Deer, as in Horned One. al  as in of or related to. Agent, as in acting for and under the auspices of. Gov-Herne-ment Seervice, in other Wyrds. Didn’t they teach you in Witch School D ??? Spell-ing counts Triple. Go ahead and file a complaint.   They’ll know who the Magic Rat is. I’m sure Internal AfFaers will have a good laugh. As for the US Feds, They’ll tell you their jurisdiction doesn’t extend to the spirit world. Or puns, And have a good laugh. It does seem, however that your sense of humour has been stolen and transported across State lines.   Might want to give us a call. Busted Be. Magic Rat — —Don’t ask me, Midgarder.  I just work here.—

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really sad treatment to a friend of mine :(

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I was speaking to a friend of mine where I live, and she had a reallly scarey and sad bod mod story she came the the local college on a basketball scholarship, and was/is quite good.. she has some tats, short (!) hair and an eyebrow, nose, navel (+tat), lip and tongue piercings.. her basketball coach decided she did not like "this look" and told the young lady she could NOT play for them and benched her, unless she wore dresses more, got rid of the facial jewelery and covered her tattoos with heavy makeup .. and(!) started spreading rumors that my friend was gay … (no, i am not gay bashing here, so R_E_L_A_X).. she ended up suing the school and this coach is now gone (GOOD!) and she is back playing the sport she loves and is good at! scarey no?? this was at California State University, at FUllerton (CSUF) wow.. i was not happy to hear this….

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was speaking to a friend of mine where I live, and she had a reallly scarey and sad bod mod story she came the the local college on a basketball scholarship, and was/is quite good.. she has some tats, short (!) hair and an eyebrow, nose, navel (+tat), lip and tongue piercings.. her basketball coach decided she did not like "this look" and told the young lady she could NOT play for them and benched her, unless she wore dresses more, got rid of the facial jewelery and covered her tattoos with heavy makeup .. and(!) started spreading rumors that my friend was gay … (no, i am not gay bashing here, so R_E_L_A_X).. she ended up suing the school and this coach is now gone (GOOD!) and she is back playing the sport she loves and is good at! scarey no?? this was at California State University, at FUllerton (CSUF) wow.. i was not happy to hear this….

While it never makes one happy to hear about assholes,  it would have been much sadder had the the courts and the school sided with the him.  I’m sorry about her hassle, but I’m tickled ink that she won  ;) *** I ink, Therefor I am *** New View Tattoo, Highland, NY www.bodyartist.com

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<<she came the the local college on a basketball scholarship, and was/is quite good.. she has some tats, short (!) hair and an eyebrow, nose, navel (+tat), lip and tongue piercings.. her basketball coach decided she did not like "this look" and told the young lady she could NOT play for them and benched her, unless she wore dresses more, got rid of the facial jewelery and covered her tattoos with heavy makeup .. and(!) started spreading rumors that my friend was gay …      Kudos to your friend for not giving in.      That type of thing happened to me at the University of the Arts, in Philly, PA & I didn’t even HAVE my visible tats & body piercings yet. It simply happened because I’m big & tall, hate being weak & victimly, and consider "lady" to be a four letter word. To me, it’s something akin to ’sexually manipulative victimly bitch,’ and acting that way nauseates me. Unfortunately, thinking for myself, NOT wearing girl clothes, having short hair, and being myself (which is usually quiet, capable, and NORMAL; not ‘lady-like’) got me into constant trouble.      It amazes me to think that, even in the ’90’s.. after everything women have shown we can do, that there are still people out there who believe that women who refuse to (or physically/emotionally cannot, in my case) live DOWN to impossibly stereotypical behavior are somehow bad, or sick, and need to be punished. In some cases, it’s almost as if we never left the late 40’s & 50’s.      Regarding the outcome of my battles; I was forced out two weeks before the end of the school year. So, If anyone knows a facist misogynistic art  professor named Al Pastore, and feels so inclined.. express yourself indecently & speak your mind.      -GenderPunk      –Direct email replies to the address in my headers will bounce. This is mean’t to offend spammers, not you.–

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    djerbear her basketball coach decided she did not like "this     djerbear look" and told the young lady she could NOT play for     djerbear them and benched her, unless she wore dresses more, got         Wait, let me get this str8, there was a female coach for women’s basketball at a college, and she wasn’t a lesbian? *boggles*. Or maybe she was and just wanted to see your friend in a skirt…     djerbear scarey no??         Seems more sad, than scary to me.     djerbear this was at California State University, at FUllerton     djerbear (CSUF)         And even more unbelievable it was here in CA…         Marisa

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I was speaking to a friend of mine where I live, and she had a reallly scarey and sad bod mod story she came the the local college on a basketball scholarship, and was/is quite good.. she has some tats, short (!) hair and an eyebrow, nose, navel (+tat), lip and tongue piercings.. her basketball coach decided she did not like "this look" and told the young lady she could NOT play for them and benched her, unless she wore dresses more, got rid of the facial jewelery and covered her tattoos with heavy makeup .. and(!) started spreading rumors that my friend was gay … (no, i am not gay bashing here, so R_E_L_A_X)..

As horible as the other issues are, not being able to wear jewelry while playing basketball, makes some sense to me. Actually, a nice infected elbow piercing might be a good preventative measure for fouling. It should be a punishment for some of these pro players. JON ASG

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her basketball coach decided she did not like "this look" and told the young lady she could NOT play for them and benched her, unless she wore dresses more, got rid of the facial jewelery and covered her tattoos with heavy makeup .. and(!) started spreading rumors that my friend was gay … (no, i am not gay bashing here, so R_E_L_A_X)..

There’s a long history of lesbian-baiting and forced "feminization" in women’s professional sports. Sad but true. Maybe it can be made to go away now…(with more acceptance of women in sports, etc). I’m glad your friend got some form of justice. Ze — Can gender be consensual?

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Cougars and MAn

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Experts??? maintain that if you stand your ground you are safe. Try to look as big as possible carry a stick watch the kids and pets and do not get seperated.

And don’t look directly into their eyes, as if to challenge them. John

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Just thought that I would give my 0.02 on this. I live in British Columbia and in some areas we have a reasonable cougar population and there have been confilicts with humans. two come to mind right now. Several years ago a cougar attacked and killed a child in a school yard in Kyouquot BC a isolated village on the west coast of Vancouver Island. Tis Cougar was killed. This emphisizes the real danger of cougars and that is to young or small humans. More recently (last year) a cougar was killed in the lower mainland in a wooded area not far from Vancouver. This animal was acting strangly as in not afraid of people. Chased a couple of mountain bikers ate afew pets and scared the hell out of alot of people (the area was quite populated). It was felt that the animal was sick or old and was probably starving so tried to go after anything regardless of size etc. Experts??? maintain that if you stand your ground you are safe. Try to look as big as possible carry a stick watch the kids and pets and do not get seperated. I have been hiking and been split into two groups (short people at the back tallin front) and  found cougar prints in the boot prints of the forward group. If you actually see one it has probably been watching you for a long time. hope they read the same experts I have:-) Kerry —

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