Frank's operation

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Frank is scheduled for his dental surgery on the 27th.

Oh Marina! I don’t know how you’ll stand the wait.  Just try to keep your chin up and know that Frank will be receiving the best, most up-to-date care.  We’ll keep purring for him. {{{{{{{Marina}}}}}}} Regards and Purrs, O J

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Natasha, who is 17, had dental surgery about this time last year. This was after her CRF diagnosis was made. At the time she had an elevated white cell count (indicating an infection somewhere) in addition to the elevated BUN and Creatinine levels from her kidney trouble. Other blood chemistry values were also out of spec. TED delayed her dental several times, wanting to get her kidney values back to normal first (didn’t want to give her anesthesia while her kidneys were having trouble), but we weren’t able to do that. Finally I talked them into going ahead with the dental. It turned out that what was thought to be a badly needed cleaning was the root of a lot of the trouble – literally. Several of her teeth had dead and rotting roots! Obviously these teeth were removed, which caused all signs of infection to go away. Her kidney values went back to what’s become normal for her (BUN normal, Creatinine slightly elevated) too. Natasha came through it all without problem, although she was a little irritated at being pilled (antibiotic) for several days afterward. You and Frank have our support, but given my experience with Tasha, I bet it will all turn out just fine in the end! :)

Thank you so much, Jeanne. This was a very comforting post. — Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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Many, many good vibes heading the way of a very, very special cat in Finland. You aren’t the only one who’ll be worrying that day. Frank is very dear to a wee family over here on the other side of the North Sea.

Thanks, Helen. I’m glad to hear he is special to you, too. He certainly is very special to me. — Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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On the plus side is the fact that sometimes getting dental problems cleared up can lower the BUN level.  Purrs for both of you.

Yes, I’d managed to forget all about that until I read Jeanne’s post. Maybe it’s that root canal that is elevating Frank’s BUN. Thank you for the purrs. I’m calming down already. — Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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Frank is scheduled for his dental surgery on the 27th. Oh Marina! I don’t know how you’ll stand the wait.  Just try to keep your chin up and know that Frank will be receiving the best, most up-to-date care.  We’ll keep purring for him.

Thank you OJ. I knew I only had to post to rpca to get comforted, and it worked like a charm. :o ) — Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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Thanks, Helen. I’m glad to hear he is special to you, too. He certainly is very special to me.

The fat one here thinks fondly of Frank, but he’s most special to *me* in these here parts on the other side of the North Sea… I do wish the fat one here wouldn’t forget that. I shall be purring up a storm for my Frank. Purrs, Waffles –This is an invalid email address to avoid spam– to get correct one remove fame & fortune –Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off–

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Frank is scheduled for his dental surgery on the 27th. I have to take him in to the vet school hospital before 8 in the morning and I get to pick him up after 4 in the afternoon. I know I’ll be a nervous wreck all day. Actually, I’m a nervous wreck already. Frank will be 17 next month, and it’s always a risk to put such an old cat under anaesthesia. He’s also had some high BUN levels, which makes it even more of a risk. But he has to have that tooth out or it will get infected again. I’ll be on needles and pins until I have him back home, safe and sound and in good health next week.

I totally understand. Revving up the purr engines now so that everthing goes smoothly.

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Thanks, Helen. I’m glad to hear he is special to you, too. He certainly is very special to me. The fat one here thinks fondly of Frank, but he’s most special to *me* in these here parts on the other side of the North Sea… I do wish the fat one here wouldn’t forget that. I shall be purring up a storm for my Frank.

PUUUURRRRRRR! — Frankie

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Oh, Marina, I think you don’t have a lot of choice about the dentistry; however, maybe you can check and discuss with your vet what the best anaesthesia for him is — I know we had to take a growth off of Frodo’s lip when he was very old and the vet gave him a very short-acting anaesthetic and worked very quickly and he did fine.  Major purrs and hugs for you. Christine

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Frank is scheduled for his dental surgery on the 27th. I have to take him in to the vet school hospital before 8 in the morning and I get to pick him up after 4 in the afternoon. I know I’ll be a nervous wreck all day. Actually, I’m a nervous wreck already. Frank will be 17 next month, and it’s always a risk to put such an old cat under anaesthesia. He’s also had some high BUN levels, which makes it even more of a risk. But he has to have that tooth out or it will get infected again. I’ll be on needles and pins until I have him back home, safe and sound and in good health next week. — Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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Frank is scheduled for his dental surgery on the 27th. I have to take

We’ll be purring! he has to have that tooth out or it will get infected again. I’ll be on needles and pins until I have him back home, safe and sound and in good health next week.

Ok, we’ll start purring now, how’s that? :) — Victor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)

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Purrs are on the way for Frank’s successful surgery and quick recovery. Hugs, CatNipped

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Frank is scheduled for his dental surgery on the 27th. I have to take him in to the vet school hospital before 8 in the morning and I get to pick him up after 4 in the afternoon. I know I’ll be a nervous wreck all day. Actually, I’m a nervous wreck already. Frank will be 17 next month, and it’s always a risk to put such an old cat under anaesthesia. He’s also had some high BUN levels, which makes it even more of a risk. But he has to have that tooth out or it will get infected again. I’ll be on needles and pins until I have him back home, safe and sound and in good health next week. — Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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Frank is scheduled for his dental surgery on the 27th. I have to take him in to the vet school hospital before 8 in the morning and I get to pick him up after 4 in the afternoon. I know I’ll be a nervous wreck all day. Actually, I’m a nervous wreck already. Frank will be 17 next month, and it’s always a risk to put such an old cat under anaesthesia. He’s also had some high BUN levels, which makes it even more of a risk. But he has to have that tooth out or it will get infected again. I’ll be on needles and pins until I have him back home, safe and sound and in good health next week.

May The Purr be with Frank and family Thea & Bono will be meatloafing for Frank The Finn to have a successful surgery thingie. Hang in there! Best Lena — :: lewe lewemi at yahoo dot se || cat pics: photos.yahoo.com/lewemi

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Oh, Marina, I think you don’t have a lot of choice about the dentistry; however, maybe you can check and discuss with your vet what the best anaesthesia for him is — I know we had to take a growth off of Frodo’s lip when he was very old and the vet gave him a very short-acting anaesthetic and worked very quickly and he did fine.  Major purrs and hugs for you.

I so wish it was my vet who was going to do the operation, but they don’t have the facilities for it. I have to take him to the vet school hospital (where they didn’t even spot the infection in his tooth!) and I’m not sure I will even meet the vet who will do the procedure. I’m going to ask the vet tech, though. Thanks for the tip, Christine. — Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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yodeled: Frank is scheduled for his dental surgery on the 27th. I have to take him in to the vet school hospital before 8 in the morning and I get to pick him up after 4 in the afternoon. I know I’ll be a nervous wreck all day. Actually, I’m a nervous wreck already. Frank will be 17 next month, and it’s always a risk to put such an old cat under anaesthesia. He’s also had some high BUN levels, which makes it even more of a risk. But he has to have that tooth out or it will get infected again. I’ll be on needles and pins until I have him back home, safe and sound and in good health next week.

Powerful purrs for your little guy. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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Frank is scheduled for his dental surgery on the 27th. I have to take him in to the vet school hospital before 8 in the morning and I get to pick him up after 4 in the afternoon. I know I’ll be a nervous wreck all day. Actually, I’m a nervous wreck already. Frank will be 17 next month, and it’s always a risk to put such an old cat under anaesthesia. He’s also had some high BUN levels, which makes it even more of a risk. But he has to have that tooth out or it will get infected again. I’ll be on needles and pins until I have him back home, safe and sound and in good health next week. — Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

Sending major dental purrs for Frank and for your peace of mind.  I always worry with any surgery, no matter what, so I sure understand your worry!  Especially with his age and BUN level.  But Frank’s a tough guy, so I’m sure he’ll make it through just fine :-) Ginger-lyn

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Frank is scheduled for his dental surgery on the 27th. I have to take him in to the vet school hospital before 8 in the morning and I get to pick him up after 4 in the afternoon. I know I’ll be a nervous wreck all day. Actually, I’m a nervous wreck already. Frank will be 17 next month, and it’s always a risk to put such an old cat under anaesthesia. He’s also had some high BUN levels, which makes it even more of a risk. But he has to have that tooth out or it will get infected again. I’ll be on needles and pins until I have him back home, safe and sound and in good health next week.

Purrs that all will turn out well. Jill

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Hi Marina, I will be keeping Frank in my thoughts.  I am sure the vet school is going to be using the best anaesthesia possible. Hugs and Purrs, Fuga

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Frank is scheduled for his dental surgery on the 27th. I have to take him in to the vet school hospital before 8 in the morning and I get to pick him up after 4 in the afternoon. I know I’ll be a nervous wreck all day. Actually, I’m a nervous wreck already. Frank will be 17 next month, and it’s always a risk to put such an old cat under anaesthesia. He’s also had some high BUN levels, which makes it even more of a risk. But he has to have that tooth out or it will get infected again. I’ll be on needles and pins until I have him back home, safe and sound and in good health next week.

Soothing purrs coming for a worried meowmie. — Steve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html

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Mega-purrs to you and Frank, Marina.  I’m sure you’ll both feel so much better afterwards.  Maybe you get him a nice gold tooth, or novelty dentures for afterwards ;) -Caroline

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Purrs and prayers from us for Franki’s safe dental procedure. Jazz & his mama — Irulan from the stars we come to the stars we return from now until the end of time

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Frank is scheduled for his dental surgery on the 27th. I have to take him in to the vet school hospital before 8 in the morning and I get to pick him up after 4 in the afternoon. I know I’ll be a nervous wreck all day. Actually, I’m a nervous wreck already. Frank will be 17 next month, and it’s always a risk to put such an old cat under anaesthesia. He’s also had some high BUN levels, which makes it even more of a risk. But he has to have that tooth out or it will get infected again. I’ll be on needles and pins until I have him back home, safe and sound and in good health next week. — Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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Safe-surgery purrs for Frank, that he be a better dental patient than I am, and come out of it ready for you to spoil him! Blessed be, Baha – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Frank is scheduled for his dental surgery on the 27th. I have to take him in to the vet school hospital before 8 in the morning and I get to pick him up after 4 in the afternoon. I know I’ll be a nervous wreck all day. Actually, I’m a nervous wreck already. Frank will be 17 next month, and it’s always a risk to put such an old cat under anaesthesia. He’s also had some high BUN levels, which makes it even more of a risk. But he has to have that tooth out or it will get infected again. I’ll be on needles and pins until I have him back home, safe and sound and in good health next week. — Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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Frank is scheduled for his dental surgery on the 27th. I have to take him in to the vet school hospital before 8 in the morning and I get to pick him up after 4 in the afternoon. I know I’ll be a nervous wreck all day. Actually, I’m a nervous wreck already. Frank will be 17 next month, and it’s always a risk to put such an old cat under anaesthesia. He’s also had some high BUN levels, which makes it even more of a risk. But he has to have that tooth out or it will get infected again. I’ll be on needles and pins until I have him back home, safe and sound and in good health next week. — Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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Frank is scheduled for his dental surgery on the 27th. I have to take him in to the vet school hospital before 8 in the morning and I get to pick him up after 4 in the afternoon. I know I’ll be a nervous wreck all day. Actually, I’m a nervous wreck already. Frank will be 17 next month, and it’s always a risk to put such an old cat under anaesthesia. He’s also had some high BUN levels, which makes it even more of a risk. But he has to have that tooth out or it will get infected again. I’ll be on needles and pins until I have him back home, safe and sound and in good health next week.

Natasha, who is 17, had dental surgery about this time last year. This was after her CRF diagnosis was made. At the time she had an elevated white cell count (indicating an infection somewhere) in addition to the elevated BUN and Creatinine levels from her kidney trouble. Other blood chemistry values were also out of spec. TED delayed her dental several times, wanting to get her kidney values back to normal first (didn’t want to give her anesthesia while her kidneys were having trouble), but we weren’t able to do that. Finally I talked them into going ahead with the dental. It turned out that what was thought to be a badly needed cleaning was the root of a lot of the trouble – literally. Several of her teeth had dead and rotting roots! Obviously these teeth were removed, which caused all signs of infection to go away. Her kidney values went back to what’s become normal for her (BUN normal, Creatinine slightly elevated) too. Natasha came through it all without problem, although she was a little irritated at being pilled (antibiotic) for several days afterward. You and Frank have our support, but given my experience with Tasha, I bet it will all turn out just fine in the end! :) Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha http://www.jhedge.com

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Many, many good vibes heading the way of a very, very special cat in Finland. You aren’t the only one who’ll be worrying that day. Frank is very dear to a wee family over here on the other side of the North Sea. *hugs* helen s –This is an invalid email address to avoid spam– to get correct one remove fame & fortune –Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off–

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On the plus side is the fact that sometimes getting dental problems cleared up can lower the BUN level.  Purrs for both of you. — Joy "You can never do a kindness too soon because you never know how soon it will be too late." – Ralph Waldo Emerson

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Frank is scheduled for his dental surgery on the 27th. I have to take him in to the vet school hospital before 8 in the morning and I get to pick him up after 4 in the afternoon. I know I’ll be a nervous wreck all day. Actually, I’m a nervous wreck already. Frank will be 17 next month, and it’s always a risk to put such an old cat under anaesthesia. He’s also had some high BUN levels, which makes it even more of a risk. But he has to have that tooth out or it will get infected again. I’ll be on needles and pins until I have him back home, safe and sound and in good health next week. — Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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The "Constitution Restoration Act of 2004"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In alt.atheism article : : Yep it is called freedom of religion. : :   Not when it is done by a public official : Get it through your head, you cannot restrict the rights of people to : express their religious beliefs. I’ll bet you didn’t read it. Why do you want to restrict the rights of people??

Admit it. You don’t believe this shit.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yep it is called freedom of religion.   Not when it is done by a public official Get it through your head, you cannot restrict the rights of people to express their religious beliefs. Wrong! No not wrong, we dispose of people who like to restrict the rights of other people.

How Christian of you.

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Yep it is called freedom of religion.   Not when it is done by a public official Get it through your head, you cannot restrict the rights of people to express their religious beliefs.

Wrong! All you have to have is a government which caters to one specific religion. For example Europe and the New world until the past few hundred years or most of the Middle Eastern Countries. People may expressed a different religion than the state religion but if they did it in public it is at their peril. The goal of all organized religions is to convert everyone to their believes. In other words power and control of the masses. Always has been and will be the same goal and a by product is wealth and power for the religious elite. Presently in this country they have the wealth but they hunger for the power. Can you deny that most tel-evangelists like Pat and Jerry are wealthy? They take from the rich and poor alike and insure they live like princes and all they have to do is make you believe they have a hot line to God. The world flocks to false prophets and ignores teaching of Jesus. If I go to hell I will have the pleasure of watching Pat and Jerry others like them burn and maybe even you.  

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In alt.atheism article : : Yep it is called freedom of religion. : :   Not when it is done by a public official : Get it through your head, you cannot restrict the rights of people to : express their religious beliefs. I’ll bet you didn’t read it.

Why do you want to restrict the rights of people??

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Yep it is called freedom of religion.   Not when it is done by a public official Get it through your head, you cannot restrict the rights of people to express their religious beliefs. Wrong!

No not wrong, we dispose of people who like to restrict the rights of other people.

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Yep it is called freedom of religion.

  Not when it is done by a public official acting in his official capacity as an agent of a secular government.  Then it’s unconstitutional. — L. Raymond

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Yep it is called freedom of religion.   Not when it is done by a public official

Get it through your head, you cannot restrict the rights of people to express their religious beliefs. — Atheism teaches that there is no God, hence no God-given rights. That ideology coupled with a system that believed in the superiority of the state at the expense of the individual was murderously synergistic.

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: : Yep it is called freedom of religion. : :   Not when it is done by a public official : Get it through your head, you cannot restrict the rights of people to : express their religious beliefs. I’ll bet you didn’t read it.  Want to live in a theocracy based on the Qu’ran?  Don’t think that the fastest growing religion on the planet will use it to deny *YOU* your so called rights under the law?     (c) 2004.  Copyright, John M. Price, PhD.  All Rights Reserved. Contents may not be republished in any form or medium without prior written consent of the author with the express and only exception of followup postings limited to and within usenet. — Life: Chemistry, but with feeling!      |      PGP Key on request or FTP!   Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion. Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated          Atheist# 683 To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings.  To say that the human soul, angels, God, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no God, no angels, no soul.  I cannot reason otherwise.           –  Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 15 August 1820.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :| Fellow atheists and others: :| :| The "Constitution Restoration Act of 2004" is wending its way through :| both the House and Senate of the United States Congress. :| :| The text of this act can be found here: :| :| http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/HR3799ConstitutionRestorationAct. :| html :| :| (mind the wrap) :| :| If I’m reading the text correctly, it says that no public official can :| face judicial action for "acknowledgement" of Biblical principles in the :| public or private portions of their duties.

Yep it is called freedom of religion.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :| Fellow atheists and others: :| :| The "Constitution Restoration Act of 2004" is wending its way through :| both the House and Senate of the United States Congress. :| :| The text of this act can be found here: :| :| http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/HR3799ConstitutionRestorationAct. :| html :| :| (mind the wrap) :| :| If I’m reading the text correctly, it says that no public official can :| face judicial action for "acknowledgement" of Biblical principles in the :| public or private portions of their duties. :| :| I haven’t seen anyone else mention this horrid piece of legislation, :| sponsored by Southern republicans, and written by the counsel for (ex) :| Judge Roy Moore of Alabama infamy.

A lot has been said about it in the newsgroups, however it never really resulted into any real discussions–any and all of the threads the mgs located below belong to. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Buckeye-ELO%40nospam.net,+Christian… http://makeashorterlink.com/?A21812DD7 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2715990457d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=U… http://makeashorterlink.com/?V2B843DD7 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2715990457d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=U…  http://makeashorterlink.com/?C35A62DD7 http://www.yuricareport.com/Law%20%26%20Legal/AConstitutionalCrisis.htm Excerpt America Stands on the Edge of A Grave Constitutional Crisis Linked to Pat Robertson How the GOP congressional faction is executing a plan to intimidate and control the U.S. Federal Courts January 6, 2004 By Katherine Yurica In an extraordinary moment of history, Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist pointedly criticized Congress for passing legislation that encroaches upon the federal judges

classes in NYC

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Matty, take a look at the New School. Not the MFA program for the Actor’s Studio, but there’s an adult ed section that has a couple of acting programs that would fit your bill. Things along those lines are what you need to look at. If you are too far out of the city to stick around for classes, then I would suggest just hooking up with your community theatre group (look at churches, adult ed centers, YMCA’s, anyplace social in your area) and see if you can work with them. It may not be the most formal education you could get, but it’s better than *not* acting and learning. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Howdy – I’m a recent engineering grad, currently working in the financial industry.  Most of my life I’ve been acting recreationally (childhood plays, high school productions and throughout college), nothing too serious, just for fun.  Recently, I’ve been looking to get back into it, specifically looking to take some acting classes after work, even perhaps join some community theater (although I would prefer to take classes and develop my technique).  Unfortunately, it seems (at least on an initial search) that a lot of New York theater schools are focused on developing professionals rather than honing the craft for enthusiasts.  Does anyone have any suggestions on classes that I can take in New York City or schools offering selective classes on acting technique?  It’s tricky (at least with what I’ve researched) because I work during the day, but any advise or direction would be greatly appreciated! Cheers – have a fantastic afternoon. Matty U!

Tao te Carl "It takes a village to have an idiot." – Carl (c) 2003

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Howdy – I’m a recent engineering grad, currently working in the financial industry.  Most of my life I’ve been acting recreationally (childhood plays, high school productions and throughout college), nothing too serious, just for fun.  Recently, I’ve been looking to get back into it, specifically looking to take some acting classes after work, even perhaps join some community theater (although I would prefer to take classes and develop my technique).  Unfortunately, it seems (at least on an initial search) that a lot of New York theater schools are focused on developing professionals rather than honing the craft for enthusiasts.  Does anyone have any suggestions on classes that I can take in New York City or schools offering selective classes on acting technique?  It’s tricky (at least with what I’ve researched) because I work during the day, but any advise or direction would be greatly appreciated! Cheers – have a fantastic afternoon. Matty U!

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Felicity

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On 13 Feb 2001 08:55:40 GMT, becki…@my-deja.com () wrote: > I used to watch it but I stopped after she went off with Ben instead of > Noel.  I did watch it last night though and got all confused because I > didn’t recognise the characters and all the relationships were > different.  She’s very annoying at times.

Yes, it’s beginning to get irritating the way all the relationships are interwoven and constantly changing. Seems a bit contrived. > Why did you ask?

’cause I like watching it :) Ollie

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I LOVE FELICITY!!!! nice lady!

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Oliver Broadway <obroad…@cix.co.uk> wrote: > Yes, it’s beginning to get irritating the way all the relationships are > interwoven and constantly changing. Seems a bit contrived.

That’s what I don’t like about most tv shows, they all tend to get pretty incestuous because they can’t introduce new characters all the time and they always break up because staying in the same relationship is ‘boring’ Beckie :)

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>>  obroad…@cix.co.uk wrote: >>> Just wondering if anyone watches it?

I used to watch it but I stopped after she went off with Ben instead of Noel.  I did watch it last night though and got all confused because I didn’t recognise the characters and all the relationships were different.   She’s very annoying at times. Why did you ask? Beckie :)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> Just wondering if anyone watches it? > >> Ollie > >Damnit I hate that show. Why do all those TV programs dealing with young > >people (Dawsons Creek, Party Of Five, Felicity) all have to degenerate into > >a soap opera? For once I’d like to see a TV program where everyone just has > >fun, the dealing with relationships issue is relegated to the back burner > >and the whole plot isn’t driven by a predictable love triangle. > What do you think of the alternative take on this kind of thing coming > through in shows like Freaks’n'Geeks and Popular – where the primary > tension is between factions.  The girls in Popular are just so > horrible I’m starting to enjoy it. > barry

I live in South Africa. We’re a few years behind on American TV trends. (Not that I watch that much of it.) — So there was this man see, and he was born and then he died. DON’T YOU GET IT?

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Yeah. I love Felecity. Great TV serie. Great acting ! Especially when they are shy! Javier – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Oliver Broadway wrote: > Just wondering if anyone watches it? > Ollie

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On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:24:46 GMT, bcal…@actrix.co.nz (Barry) wrote: >On Fri, 09 Feb 2001 04:49:55 GMT, CoolWaterGuy ><_CoolWaterDu…@excite.com> wrote: >>In article <memo.20010208163217.382…@tup.metronet.co.uk>, >>  obroad…@cix.co.uk wrote: >>> Just wondering if anyone watches it? >Aye – quite enjoy it. >>On another note , a really good program I thought I would dislike watching >>but turns out I do like watching is Temptation island…even i’m surprised >Hmm – the New Zealand version (Treasure Island) was on last night – >wasn’t going to watch it but, being New Zealand, I had one of those "I

Just a comment here, Barry. Treasure Island has absolutely *nothing* in common with Temptation Island, except the name. The concepts are *completely* different. ^_^

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On Fri, 09 Feb 2001 04:49:55 GMT, CoolWaterGuy <_CoolWaterDu…@excite.com> wrote: >In article <memo.20010208163217.382…@tup.metronet.co.uk>, >  obroad…@cix.co.uk wrote: >> Just wondering if anyone watches it?

Aye – quite enjoy it. >On another note , a really good program I thought I would dislike watching >but turns out I do like watching is Temptation island…even i’m surprised

Hmm – the New Zealand version (Treasure Island) was on last night – wasn’t going to watch it but, being New Zealand, I had one of those "I know that face" moments – the best friend of one of my friends was on the show.  It was the selection round – and they all had to nominate one person not to go – a lot voted for Tanya – the show organisers told her this, then told her she was going anyway.  When she cried with relief, I was surprised to find a tear or two in my own eyes – I guess its not everyday you get to see your mates cry on national TV, so that’s my excuse. barry Don’t you want me any more? Don’t you love me any more? ["Lydia" Fur Patrol - there is no cooler New Zealand band.]

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On Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:50:59 +0200, "Boy Wonder" <nospample…@homail.com> wrote: >> Just wondering if anyone watches it? >> Ollie >Damnit I hate that show. Why do all those TV programs dealing with young >people (Dawsons Creek, Party Of Five, Felicity) all have to degenerate into >a soap opera? For once I’d like to see a TV program where everyone just has >fun, the dealing with relationships issue is relegated to the back burner >and the whole plot isn’t driven by a predictable love triangle.

What do you think of the alternative take on this kind of thing coming through in shows like Freaks’n'Geeks and Popular – where the primary tension is between factions.  The girls in Popular are just so horrible I’m starting to enjoy it. barry Don’t you want me any more? Don’t you love me any more? ["Lydia" Fur Patrol - there is no cooler New Zealand band.]

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>On another note , a really good program I thought I would dislike watching >but turns out I do like watching is Temptation island…even i’m surprised >:-)

Ugh, my level of hatred for that show has got to be a new personal record. To me, it’s just another stupid show aimed at people who want to see sex and stuff on TV. I also resent the people on the show, a bunch of ordinary morons just like you and I…….all the unwarranted fame they are getting from it.

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On Fri, 09 Feb 2001 04:49:55 GMT, _CoolWaterDu…@excite.com (CoolWaterGuy) wrote: > On another note , a really good program I thought I would dislike > watching but turns out I do like watching is Temptation island…even > i’m surprised

I haven’t seen that one, and tbh it doesn’t interest me that much because it seems to be about people behaving in ways which I am going to be completely unable to relate to. Ollie

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Oliver Broadway wrote: > Just wondering if anyone watches it? > Ollie

Nah.  I have, oddly enough, begun watching Gilmore Girls, though. That’s about the only WB drama I’ll come near- that is, the only one not involving vampires.

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On 08 Feb 2001 18:05:06 GMT, tsntan…@aol.com (TSntana97) wrote: > No.  I see it advertised a lot.  What’s it supposed to be about?

About a bunch of students at college in NY. Deals a lot with the relationships between them. Seems to cover quite a few of the sorts of things that people in here have difficulty with. Ollie

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> Just wondering if anyone watches it? > Ollie

Damnit I hate that show. Why do all those TV programs dealing with young people (Dawsons Creek, Party Of Five, Felicity) all have to degenerate into a soap opera? For once I’d like to see a TV program where everyone just has fun, the dealing with relationships issue is relegated to the back burner and the whole plot isn’t driven by a predictable love triangle. A TV program where I’m not subjected to a 1 hour moral lesson every single episode and the characters know how to have fun. Hell, how many college/school goers lives revolved around romance induced friction that you know of? May the writers and directors of all those series die in a plane crash on their way to whatever meaningless award shows get hosted in their honor. So to answer your question, I don’t watch them anymore. — So there was this man see, and he was born and then he died. DON’T YOU GET IT?

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Just wondering if anyone watches it? Ollie

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obroad…@cix.co.uk  (Oliver Broadway) wrote in article <memo.20010208163217.382…@tup.metronet.co.uk>: > Just wondering if anyone watches it?

No.  I see it advertised a lot.  What’s it supposed to be about? T.S.

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I watch Felicity and i think its a great program with cool characters inc. the guys played by the ‘killer director’ in Scream 3 (the student adviser) and the girl who was the pink power ranger in power rangers. As for Felicity, shes a babe, although she has no ear lobes (which is an odd observation i cant help but noticing). Yeah, Felicity rules! Homer Bickle

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In article <memo.20010208163217.382…@tup.metronet.co.uk>,   obroad…@cix.co.uk wrote: > Just wondering if anyone watches it? > Ollie

Nope I don’t watch WB programs or too much of FOX either..But to me most of these programs are on going dramas of the same old stuff except with different characters..Sometimes it catches my eye..sometimes no..Seventh Heaven is something I watched, also I seldom used to see Buffy the Vampire slayer..but that got tiring as well.. On another note , a really good program I thought I would dislike watching but turns out I do like watching is Temptation island…even i’m surprised :-) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

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teen in trouble – Dad won't get help

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Legal Question I need help! I live in Arizona and have joint legal custody of my daughter in Minnesota.  She has gotten herself into alot of trouble. She has assulted two classmates(stabbed them) and has been suspended at least twice in the last 2 weeks.  She is being neglected and maybe worse by her custodial step father. She needs qualified mental health care and her step father finds that thought personally insulting.  I need some legal advice to get her removed from this home into a facility that can deal with these types of behavorial problems.  I’m in Arizona.  I feel helpless and afraid that if my daughter’s behavior is not immediaty adressed, another Littleton may  occur at her Junior High School.  My daughter is only a 7th grader (13) in a very small town.  I have appealed to her school vice-principle, social worker and police liason.  I don’t know what else to do. can anybody help. I need responses only from those in the legal or Social work field please

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Kblake – It is more complicated since you are in one state and daughter in another. You need to contact an atty who can help you.  Will your school cooperate in giving you school records as documentation?  If you have joint custody it should be no problem.   The girl obviously is acting out her anger and is very troubled.  Junior High 12-13 yo is a very difficult time for young girls.  The sooner she gets help the better. Sorry I am not a legal specialist, or a social worker.  However, I have worked with emotionally disturbed children.  Anyone of whom could easily have done something like the littleton thing if they were smart enough to do that.   Jp (master’s of occupational therapy student)

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Contact your lawyer as soon as possible, yes your daughter does need help. Good Luck. Daisy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Legal Question I need help! I live in Arizona and have joint legal custody of my daughter in Minnesota.  She has gotten herself into alot of trouble. She has assulted two classmates(stabbed them) and has been suspended at least twice in the last 2 weeks.  She is being neglected and maybe worse by her custodial step father. She needs qualified mental health care and her step father finds that thought personally insulting.  I need some legal advice to get her removed from this home into a facility that can deal with these types of behavorial problems.  I’m in Arizona.  I feel helpless and afraid that if my daughter’s behavior is not immediaty adressed, another Littleton may  occur at her Junior High School.  My daughter is only a 7th grader (13) in a very small town.  I have appealed to her school vice-principle, social worker and police liason.  I don’t know what else to do. can anybody help. I need responses only from those in the legal or Social work field please

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magnetic dip – not real?

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I don’t get it. How can you counter-balance the card such that it works in all latitudes?

I think the answer is you can’t.  The literature from high-quality marine compass manufacturers (Ritchie, etc) divides the world up into several latitude zones, and tells you to order the right compass for the zone you are in most of the time.

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: I don’t get it. How can you counter-balance the card such that it works : in all latitudes? You can’t.  Supposedly, the card is counterweighted to balance the *average* dip at mid-latitudes in the hemisphere for which the compass is designed.  A "southern hemisphere" compass would have it’s counterweight opposite of the position of that on a "northern hemisphere" compass.  I can see adding weight symetrically such that the dip : doesn’t cause the card to dip *as much*, but then why would the inertia : from symetrically placed weights cause the compass to turn during : acceleration? It doesn’t – even if the weights are *not* symmetrical.  The CG location of the card is always directly below the pivot point and aligned with the rotation axis, whether the card is asymmetrically weighted or not.   Furthermore, the presence of an asymmetrical weight does not change the orientation of the rotation axis; the axis is always aligned with the "local vertical", the direction of which is determined by gravity combined with the aircraft’s acceleration.  As a result, an asymmetrical counterweight will not produce any torque around the rotation axis due to acceleration. But, the idea that compass cards are "counterweighted" is probably Bogus anyway.  I recently replaced the compass in my Skylane (due to a leaky gasket) and did a few experiments with the old compass to determine just how much the card tilts due to magnetic dip.  It appears that the tilt is less than *one degree* ; it’s so small that it’s not easy to measure accurately.  In fact, the card has more EAST-WEST imbalance than the change in NORTH-SOUTH imbalance produced by magnetic dip (and supposedly corrected by a counterweight).

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[snip] The only way to make a flux-gate or Hall-effect compass insensitive to magnetic dip errors is to mount the compass on a gyro-stabliized platform, so that it’s reference axis is maintained perpendicular to the earth’s surface at all times.

Or do all your turns with wings level by skidding around with the rudder. :-)

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I don’t get it. How can you counter-balance the card such that it works in all latitudes? I can see adding weight symetrically such that the dip doesn’t cause the card to dip *as much*, but then why would the inertia from symetrically placed weights cause the compass to turn during acceleration? I never understood this stuff–the PPL manuals just stated it as fact and never really explained it. -Jonathan Compass errors are not directly caused by magnetic dip.  They are caused by the inertia of the weight that is added to the compass card (the rotating part) to compensate for magnetic dip. The weight is added to make the card hang straight in the presence of magnetic dip. – Dave Beal

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : In a solid state assembly (e.g., a Hall effect probe or a flux gate) there : is no moving mass and therfore these compasses are not susceptible to : indication error due to magnetic dip. This is not correct.  A flux-gate or Hall-effect compass mounted in an airplane is just as susceptible to turning errors caused by magnetic dip as is a "whiskey compass". A compass responds to the component of the magnetic field that is perpendicular to it’s "axis of rotation".  Even though a solid-state compass has no moving parts, it still has a "reference axis" about which the magnetic field is measured, and the direction determined.  The reference axis must be perpendicular to the earth’s surface in order to eliminate errors caused by magnetic dip. A whiskey compass is susceptible to turning errors because it’s reference axis is displaced by "centrifugal force" in a turn, such that the axis is no longer perpendicular to the earth’s surface.  A solid-state compass, in which the reference axis is fixed to the body of the device (and to the airplane in which it is mounted) will also have it’s reference axis displaced in a turn, due to the banking of the airplane. The only way to make a flux-gate or Hall-effect compass insensitive to magnetic dip errors is to mount the compass on a gyro-stabliized platform, so that it’s reference axis is maintained perpendicular to the earth’s surface at all times.

mark’s explanation sounds right to me.  i will add anecdotal evidence that i _believe_ can be explained by a flux gate being succeptible to dip errors. i used to own part of a p210 that had a cesna 400 series autopilot, and a slaved hsi (slaved to a flux gate compass).  during climbout, if i put the autopilot on the heading bug, i would get a ‘dutch roll’ phenomenon.  if i had the a/p track a navaid, or nothing at all, the phenomenon was not present (or at least reduced to the point i didn’t notice it).  this never happend in (level) cruise.  my theory was that the dip error caused the flux gate to try to slave the hsi to an ‘error-ed’ mag heading — then the a/p would bank the airplane to get back to the hdg bug.  this bank would then cause the dip to be in the other direction, starting the process over in reverse.  the phenomenon was most pronounced on southerly headings.  (commuting from fort worth to austin i had the opportunity to see it frequently). i dunno, maybe it was something else, but i tended to favor the ‘dip error’ explanation. john — ‘my other sig file says something clever.’

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(these are valid only during turns without acceleration North hem. only) 360 – lead by 30 degrees indicated 330 – lead by 20 degrees indicated 300 – lead by 10 degrees indicated 270 – no error 240 – overturn my 10 degrees indicated 210 – overturn by 20 degrees indicated 180 – overturn by 30 degree indicated….

These work only in the northern hemisphere (as you states) and only at a particular latitude (about 30 deg. north, I estimate).  In Alaska, you’d need much bigger leads and overturns than that. — Chris.

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: In a solid state assembly (e.g., a Hall effect probe or a flux gate) there : is no moving mass and therfore these compasses are not susceptible to : indication error due to magnetic dip. This is not correct.  A flux-gate or Hall-effect compass mounted in an airplane is just as susceptible to turning errors caused by magnetic dip as is a "whiskey compass". A compass responds to the component of the magnetic field that is perpendicular to it’s "axis of rotation".  Even though a solid-state compass has no moving parts, it still has a "reference axis" about which the magnetic field is measured, and the direction determined.  The reference axis must be perpendicular to the earth’s surface in order to eliminate errors caused by magnetic dip. A whiskey compass is susceptible to turning errors because it’s reference axis is displaced by "centrifugal force" in a turn, such that the axis is no longer perpendicular to the earth’s surface.  A solid-state compass, in which the reference axis is fixed to the body of the device (and to the airplane in which it is mounted) will also have it’s reference axis displaced in a turn, due to the banking of the airplane. The only way to make a flux-gate or Hall-effect compass insensitive to magnetic dip errors is to mount the compass on a gyro-stabliized platform, so that it’s reference axis is maintained perpendicular to the earth’s surface at all times.

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Several very good answers!  Thanks all! (G. Travis – I finally re-found your wonderful web sight.  Great stuff) Chris

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(these are valid only during turns without acceleration North hem. only) 360 – lead by 30 degrees indicated 330 – lead by 20 degrees indicated 300 – lead by 10 degrees indicated 270 – no error 240 – overturn my 10 degrees indicated 210 – overturn by 20 degrees indicated 180 – overturn by 30 degree indicated… . Robert Gary

Okay….you did specify Northern Hemisphere Only. Fairbanks, Alaska, is in the Northern Hemisphere. Venezuela is in the Northern Hemisphere. Does your table above work the same in both of these places? Harvey Change "nospam" to "net" to send me e-mail. Unsolicited commercial e-mail is unwelcome. — Mehr sein als scheinen.

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Compass errors are not directly caused by magnetic dip.  They are caused by the inertia of the weight that is added to the compass card (the rotating part) to compensate for magnetic dip. The weight is added to make the card hang straight in the presence of magnetic dip.

Correct.  Compass error is caused by the inertial forces on the compass card interacting with the vertically inclined magnetic forces on same. — Chris.

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You can of course predict the behavior of a mechanical compass with respect to magnetic dip. During my IFR training the heading indicator is almost always covered and I’m expected to make EXACT turns with the compass. Just memorize the correction and it always works out for me. Every time I roll out of a turn, I wait about 10 seconds and the compass settles to where I asked it to…. (these are valid only during turns without acceleration North hem. only) 360 – lead by 30 degrees indicated 330 – lead by 20 degrees indicated 300 – lead by 10 degrees indicated 270 – no error 240 – overturn my 10 degrees indicated 210 – overturn by 20 degrees indicated 180 – overturn by 30 degree indicated…. the other side of the compass works the same. This has been real helpful for me in my VFR flights as well since I don’t usually fly fancy planes with heading indicators. Good for nightly flights when I’m using a Victor airway to stay over MEA for terrain (don’t want to chase the airway back and forth!!) The compass really wants to point down, but the housing won’t let it. I suspect that they can only measure in one plane.  I.E. Horizontal.  I would expect that if you oriented it correctly, it would measure ONLY magnetic dip. Okay fellow pilots – a poser for ya. We were all taught about magnetic dip in PP ground school. It is supposedly not an artifact of physical forces acting upon a magnetic compass.  Here’s the question then: I’ve been playing with Honeywells magnetic flux detector chips (a mag compass in a chip).  Honeywell says that are are not susecptable or do not measure magnetic "dip".

– Robert Gary

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay fellow pilots – a poser for ya. We were all taught about magnetic dip in PP ground school. It is supposedly not an artifact of physical forces acting upon a magnetic compass.  Here’s the question then: I’ve been playing with Honeywells magnetic flux detector chips (a mag compass in a chip).  Honeywell says that are are not susecptable or do not measure magnetic "dip". You have to keep two things apart, which I suspect you may be mixing up: magnetic dip is the vertical angle at which magnetic field lines intersect the surface.  It is zero at the equator (the field lines are parallel to the ground) and 90 degrees at the magnetic poles (the field line go straight down).  So, no question, magnetic dip is real. The second issue is the magnetic compass error.  In a nutshell: whenever you exert a force on the compass (e.g., the centrifugal force in a turn, or acceleration or deceleration) it gives you a wrong reading. This compass error is due to the magnetic dip.  The magnetic force the compass feels is along the magnetic field lines (which point downward at some angle) and the accelerating or turning force due to the airplane’s motion are not aligned and therefore cause the error. The crux is the moving mass of the compass rose inside the housing of the compass.

Compass errors are not directly caused by magnetic dip.  They are caused by the inertia of the weight that is added to the compass card (the rotating part) to compensate for magnetic dip. The weight is added to make the card hang straight in the presence of magnetic dip. – Dave Beal

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Okay fellow pilots – a poser for ya. We were all taught about magnetic dip in PP ground school. It is supposedly not an artifact of physical forces acting upon a magnetic compass.  Here’s the question then: I’ve been playing with Honeywells magnetic flux detector chips (a mag compass in a chip).  Honeywell says that are are not susecptable or do not measure magnetic "dip". Why? Thanks in advance for any answers! Chris (puzzled) Schuermann

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No physical force?  Isn’t it the inertia of the compasses own mass resisting a change in its motion? Can someone address my curiosity here?  I’m a new pilot, I haven’t heard this before. –Joseph Okay fellow pilots – a poser for ya. We were all taught about magnetic dip in PP ground school. It is supposedly not an artifact of physical forces acting upon a magnetic compass.  <snip

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I suspect that they can only measure in one plane.  I.E. Horizontal.  I would expect that if you oriented it correctly, it would measure ONLY magnetic dip. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay fellow pilots – a poser for ya. We were all taught about magnetic dip in PP ground school. It is supposedly not an artifact of physical forces acting upon a magnetic compass.  Here’s the question then: I’ve been playing with Honeywells magnetic flux detector chips (a mag compass in a chip).  Honeywell says that are are not susecptable or do not measure magnetic "dip". Why? Thanks in advance for any answers! Chris (puzzled) Schuermann

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Okay fellow pilots – a poser for ya. We were all taught about magnetic dip in PP ground school. It is supposedly not an artifact of physical forces acting upon a magnetic compass.  Here’s the question then: I’ve been playing with Honeywells magnetic flux detector chips (a mag compass in a chip).  Honeywell says that are are not susecptable or do not measure magnetic "dip".

You have to keep two things apart, which I suspect you may be mixing up: magnetic dip is the vertical angle at which magnetic field lines intersect the surface.  It is zero at the equator (the field lines are parallel to the ground) and 90 degrees at the magnetic poles (the field line go straight down).  So, no question, magnetic dip is real. The second issue is the magnetic compass error.  In a nutshell: whenever you exert a force on the compass (e.g., the centrifugal force in a turn, or acceleration or deceleration) it gives you a wrong reading. This compass error is due to the magnetic dip.  The magnetic force the compass feels is along the magnetic field lines (which point downward at some angle) and the accelerating or turning force due to the airplane’s motion are not aligned and therefore cause the error. The crux is the moving mass of the compass rose inside the housing of the compass. In a solid state assembly (e.g., a Hall effect probe or a flux gate) there is no moving mass and therfore these compasses are not susceptible to indication error due to magnetic dip. — Chris.

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Okay fellow pilots – a poser for ya. We were all taught about magnetic dip in PP ground school. It is supposedly not an artifact of physical forces acting upon a magnetic compass.

It is an artifact of the physical forces (magentic field) action on the mechanical magnetic compasses.  The card wants to point downward towards the pole. Here’s the question then: I’ve been playing with Honeywells magnetic flux detector chips (a mag compass in a chip).  Honeywell says that are are not susecptable or do not measure magnetic "dip".

The circuit in the fluxgate doesn’t move.  It cares not that the lines are curved.  It just gives you the prevailing direction.

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Good Acting Colleges

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am interested in going into acting later in my life, but would like to first gain an education to fall back on in case I should suddenly not want to pursue an acting career.  My question is- what are some first tier colleges with good acting programs?  (besides the obvious Yale School of Drama and Juilliard of course).  I want to be able to at least participate in their drama programs should I not do it professionally. Two good schools I have had some experience with, (attended the first, not it theatre) and have worked with several actors from the second, are Ohio University in Athens, Ohio and Brandeis University in Waltham, Massachusetts.  Both have nationally recognized professional programs, produce top rate productions and have produced many well known and accomplished actors.  I think the both have theatre web sites. Mike Francis http://www.gis.net/~mtf

Mike, It’s been 26 years since I graduated with an MFA from good ol’ Ohio University, so it’s interesting to hear a good "review" BUT, to Snoopy, or any other aspiring actors who are interested in college, university or conservatory training, there is one, and only one definitive source that is current, updated and comprehensive: Jill Charles publishes the DIRECTORY OF THEATRE TRAINING PROGRAMS (currently in its 6th edition.)  And, imho it is the "bible"…. take a peak at: http://www.theatredirectories.com/bookshelf/html Jill also publishes THE ACTOR’S PICTURE/RESUME BOOK, AUDITIONS & SCENES FROM SHAKESPEARE, SHOW BIZ BOOKKEEPER, REGIONAL THEATRE DIRECTORY 97-98, SUMMER THEATRE DIRECTORY 98. Break a leg, Bill — THE ACTING STUDIO http://gvtg.com/theactingstudio

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Two good schools I have had some experience with, (attended the first, not it theatre) and have worked with several actors from the second, are Ohio University in Athens, Ohio and Brandeis University in Waltham, Massachusetts.  Both have nationally recognized professional programs, produce top rate productions and have produced many well known and accomplished actors.  I think the both have theatre web sites. Mike Francis http://www.gis.net/~mtf Mike, It’s been 26 years since I graduated with an MFA from good ol’ Ohio University, so it’s interesting to hear a good "review"

I just graduated with my MFA in acting from OU (well, in ‘96, anyway), and I’d reccomend it.  The faculty has changed recently, so I’m sure it’s a bit different, but I got a lot out of my time there. Worth a look. tonya "and though she be but little, she is fierce"  –shakespeare

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I am interested in going into acting later in my life, but would like to first gain an education to fall back on in case I should suddenly not want to pursue an acting career.  My question is- what are some first tier colleges with good acting programs?  (besides the obvious Yale School of Drama and Juilliard of course).  I want to be able to at least participate in their drama programs should I not do it professionally.

Two good schools I have had some experience with, (attended the first, not it theatre) and have worked with several actors from the second, are Ohio University in Athens, Ohio and Brandeis University in Waltham, Massachusetts.  Both have nationally recognized professional programs, produce top rate productions and have produced many well known and accomplished actors.  I think the both have theatre web sites. Mike Francis http://www.gis.net/~mtf

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I am interested in going into acting later in my life, but would like to first gain an education to fall back on in case I should suddenly not want to pursue an acting career.  My question is- what are some first tier colleges with good acting programs?  (besides the obvious Yale School of Drama and Juilliard of course).  I want to be able to at least participate in their drama programs should I not do it professionally.  Thanx in advance Nancy

Nancy, check out my website:  <http://members.aol.com/castingace/core.html (CastingACE Guide to University Theatre Programs) for information on how to find the right school and how to audition for that school of your choice.  Plus there are dozens of schools that have websites dedicated to their theatre department, so you can browse online to find a possible school or two to apply to.  As always, visit the school and see first hand their program and talk with the instructors and students. have fun, if you have any questions, email me! Jonathan — JLNail …nothing wise or witty to say just dreamin’ of homebrew to pass the time of day… ***Please Note*** Remove obvious anti-spam in email address.  Also, you can use PGP encryption to send me safe email or postings online! PGP-RSA-Key: http://pgp5.ai.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB4FBA513

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I am interested in going into acting later in my life, but would like to first gain an education to fall back on in case I should suddenly not want to pursue an acting career.  My question is- what are some first tier colleges with good acting programs?  (besides the obvious Yale School of Drama and Juilliard of course).  I want to be able to at least participate in their drama programs should I not do it professionally.  Thanx in advance Nancy -Life was created to be lived (MSCL)

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Why is this posted here?

Because the poster had an inner ear problem. ;-) . Kelly

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Why is this posted here?

have no fear….his postmaster has been notified. let him face the wrath of his own isp.

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1       **  "CLONING" MOVIE MAY PROVOKE THEATER RIOTS!  **       Anticipation is so high for the new sci-fi action movie AGENT ACTION!   that international theater owners are worried.   Some feel their venues may be the   magnet for riots.   One of the movies main themes is human cloning.  With cloning   as a red-hot topic and the movies anticipated big budget look with gorgeous nude   US playmates, the number of moviegoers is predicted to be record breaking!         AGENT ACTION! is reported to be a sci-fi flick in the secret agent                   "Bond" Style.  It sports exotic locations, impressive cinematography, and the    aforementioned naked, big-breasted actresses.  (Including Erika Olsen / Playboy    Mar 97)  The movie stars and is directed by charismatic and multi talented new    leading man William Blair.   It features celebrity guest villains and co-stars the    talented Jerry Lee Kmiec.        AGENT ACTION! is currently in the middle of a heated bidding war by international    distributors.  The winner may have more than just an ordinary hit on its hands.      It may have the milestone catalyst of an international event.  2                       OSCAR PICK FAVE FOR 97 ?   AGENT ACTION!     Talk for the next Oscars has already started.  And the news is overwhelming for  one film:  AGENT ACTION!     What "ACTION" seems to have is what the current Oscar picks lacked:  both great directing, great acting, and great writing all in one.    And the lions credit is aimed at one man; multi -talented star and director William Blair.l       Insiders are predicting Blair may receive the most multiple Oscar wins ever: As best actor, best director, and best writer.   What’s more: as producer and special effects director of photography consultant: he might also nab the best picture Oscar and cinematography Oscars, too!   Can Blair and AGENT ACTION! pull off this  unprecedented feat?        It would certainly be a day for the all time record books.   Of course this is  just speculation at this point.  One thing is certain, though, 1997 is the year for moviegoers to enjoy AGENT ACTION! 3                      CAN AGENT ACTION! 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THE GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE?      Film fans, critics, and cinephiles the world over are engaged in a heated debate.  Is the new Sci-fi action film AGENT ACTION! the greatest movie ever made?      Opposition is fierce.   Names such as Welles, Kubrick, Scorsese, Spielberg, and Oliver Stone are of course getting huge support.      Movies such as Citizen Kane, 2001, Goodfellas, ET, and Platoon are being heralded as the all time champs.      And yet, the new found furor won’t subside.  AGENT ACTION! now has its own  legions of rising vocal fans.   And its star/ director William Blair is receiving the lion’s  share of the credit.         Can this new group of fans, of a movie not yet even released be right?  Can the few purportedly bootlegged copies of an advance rough cut be enough proof? Is AGENT ACTION! such a highly commendable piece of celluloid?          History be damned these new fans seem to be saying.   Forget the work of the  "old fogies", William Blair Is the brilliant purveyor of cinema’s future!         And AGENT ACTION! is proof – at 24 frames per living color second! 8                 SEX,  ROMANCE,   AND AGENT ACTION – WILLIAM BLAIR!      Girls, Good News – William Blair is single!   Yes the 6 ft, 185 lb. leading man is available!  And if his blue eyes don’t get you – his charming and suave manner will! Check him out in AGENT ACTION!  Then in his exciting new upcoming feature THE RIDE!   ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( 9                             WAR!  - BIDDING BATTLE BREWING    Major movie distributors are sharpening their pens.  Agents and Lawyers are taking sides.  Telephone faxes are arming for duty.     Why?  For the bloody battle over the international distribution rights to AGENT ACTION!     The movie world landscape is now upside down.  How?  Witness ancient releases like Star Wars now doing first run BlockBuster business.  Plus expensive new releases are bombing.  With this confusion its a new war out there.  And formerly defended movie turf is up for grabs!    Which studio army can capture the anticipated blockbuster AGENT ACTION!?    Will it be a major battaliion force like UNIVERSAL?  Of can a rising guierrila army like Miramax or Gramercy capture the goods?    No one can predict the battle’s outcome yet.  But one victor is certain: the Audience.   The World Audience – millions of popcorn and action loving troops who will be the happy victors as they embrace viewing AGENT ACTION! 10          WILLIAM BLAIR – TRUE INDEPENDENT – NOT SUNDANCE  ASS- KISSER      While most Independent filmmakers nowadays are just shameless ass kissers – of Sundance "god" Robert Redford, William Blair stands alone.          The so called Independent movie movement is sickening.   Independent – Independent of what?         Most of these films are undisguised "auditions" for studio jobs.  And the cast lists of these movies  look exactly like their Studio cousins:   Tori Spelling for godsakes!          And most of these butt-kiss directors need to start living a life – rather than patterning these grotesque homages to angst populated by the ever tiring Steve Buscemi ( Whoever said this guy could act? )           The real barfola however, is how the "intelligensia" and "psuedo hip" are pronouncing Oscar kudos on these lightweight nothing movies.          Lets face if folks:  Ransom was a much better film than Fargo.  Wake up you morons.   Can anyone even sit through Fargo twice without falling into a deep coma.      And last years Spitfire Grill – what a joke that was!    It had all the thrills and technique of a bad TV movie of the week!      Is there hope?  Damn tootin!       And my vote for movie of the year is AGENT ACTION!   It cuts the sprocket holes off those "independent" lemming-ized ass-kisser  movies .

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Cancer and Nutrition

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My SO has to leave for work at 5:30 a.m. So I am the one who gets kids up for school.  Organization problem.   Even if they have laid out an outfit the night before the next morning it has disappeared or they change their mind. Their idea of my responsibility for lost items is driving me nuts.  Middle school kid gets up at 6:00.  At which time she announces she needs the hair brush. Note:  beginning of school year They each had one and I had one. Every morning I searched for the brush till I found one of them.  Never wound up in the bathroom. She’s old enough to dress herself and fix her hair so after I hunt down the brush, I start getting ready myself.  She leaves for school and 15 minutes after that it is time to get the other girl up for school.  Of course I immediately hear "I need the hairbrush."   The other kid has already left for school and I have no idea what she did with it.  Usually I find it, but about once a week it is nowhere to be seen.   A few weeks ago I bought another brush for myself because I eventually had to get mine from work to bring home because the other one had disappeared forever. Since then the one from work has disappeared.   Problem:  On the days I can’t find the brush.  Also days in which I refuse to search for it since I never actually get a chance to use it and I know I haven’t had it.  Although I usually do have a comb.  But of course they can not possibly do their hair with a comb it has to be the brush.  Then they will announce that if the brush is not found they are not going to school, and they will commence to sit in the middle of the floor in their towel telling me how they will not be ready in time for the bus, "So, I guess you will have to take me to school, or I’m not going.  
Problem # 2.  If they are refusing to get ready for school, What can I do               in order for them to quit this.  I have thought about telling               them if they can’t find the brush to get ready then that’s               their problem, and if they refuse to get ready, leave them there.               But I can just imagine how angry their dad would be if I left his               10 year old home by herself.  We would be in one of the biggest               arguments ever over me leaving his child alone, of course the kid               knows this.   My ideal would be to leave them sitting there naked and go ahead and go to work, then call the school and let them know the kid refused to get ready for school, and then they would at least have consequences from the school even if their dad didn’t do anything about it.   This is just one of many examples:  If I don’t know where something is they act like their mad at me.  I DIDN’T LOSE IT! and sometimes I am willing to help them look, but not while they are sitting in the middle of the floor complaining, while I look.   Maybe it’s not so much the lost items as it is that they are acting like it is my responsibility and then threaten me that they are going to make my life difficult between their dad and I if I don’t comply. How do you force a 10 or 11 year old to get dressed when they refuse. Or to do anything. Yeah, I guess they do know how to push my buttons.  They know I need to leave for work, they also know I can’t leave them at home, and they also know I can’t force them get dressed. Wonderwoman  

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If your husband won’t go to a counselor, then I would stop doing the laundry.  I had to do something similar in the kitchen arena when I got sick of the dinner routine.  To do this, though, you must have the energy for a battle.  However, for me, it was a true breakthrough.  When it got bad enough that I was ready for a divorce, my husband woke up and we got counseling.  Worked wonders! Best of luck! Lynn

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Sorry, I missed the original post. > > I AM NOT THE MAID! > > Wonderwoman

  You’ve had similiar problems before – doing you’re darndest and getting it tossed back in your face.  You look to Dad to help, or at least help make kids conform but he usually doesn’t.   After doing all that laundry and the kids come down and complain, they are just pushing you’re buttons.  "Buttons, buttons you’ve got buttons all over you."  Next time stay calm and say "Hmmm…nothing to wear. This is a problem.  Do YOU have a solution?"  Sometimes kids will come up with something that will work, but often they will at least try to make it work if it’s their idea.  It’s just too easy to break rules, and what we really want is our children’s cooperation. Merrie

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -sl…@cas.org wrote: > My SO has to leave for work at 5:30 a.m. So I am the one who gets kids up for > school.  Organization problem. > Even if they have laid out an outfit the night before the next morning it has > disappeared or they change their mind. > Their idea of my responsibility for lost items is driving me nuts.  Middle > school kid gets up at 6:00.  At which time she announces she needs the hair > brush. Note:  beginning of school year They each had one and I had one. > Every morning I searched for the brush till I found one of them.  Never wound > up in the bathroom. > She’s old enough to dress herself and fix her hair so after I hunt down the > brush, I start getting ready myself.  She leaves for school and 15 minutes > after that it is time to get the other girl up for school.  Of course I > immediately hear "I need the hairbrush." > The other kid has already left for school and I have no idea what she did with > it.  

Well, I assume that Dad is home in the evening.  I would buy the girls brushes and put their names on them.  Have *Dad* handle before-bed issues like putting out clothes (in a place where they won’t be "lost") and with the understanding that they are choosing *for real* what they will wear tomorrow.  He could help them find a regular place for the hair brushes, and let them know that it is their responsibility to keep track of them. He could check in with them when he comes home, to see if the new "system" is working out (keeping you off the hook). As for your hair brush, I’d keep it in my purse.  In my room. I’m step-mom to an 11-year old and my husband has been CP for 7 years. We started things like this when the boy was around 5 and now it’s second nature (except when the weather changes radically from the previous evening’s forecast!).

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Tell your husband the problems and tell him that either he gets his kids in gear or you are quitting your job, since you can’t get them to school on time and get to work on time.  If he’s expecting you to act like the housewife and give you complete responsibility for the home and children – become one. Anne

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Anne Grimes wrote: > Tell your husband the problems and tell him that either he gets his kids > in gear or you are quitting your job, since you can’t get them to school > on time and get to work on time.  If he’s expecting you to act like the > housewife and give you complete responsibility for the home and children > – become one. > Anne

That’s the best advice that I’ve ever heard, although if I had to spend my day doing "house wife" things, I’d probably kill myself.  Not that there is anything wrong with it, but I find having a full time job gives me a great excuse for not being "Suzie Homemaker"…. But I know what you mean, I hate having my hubbie think that just because I am the woman, that I have to take on the "mother" roles i.e., making lunches, doing laundry, basic organization.  But I must admit he does take a lot more of this responsibility now.  I had to point out may times, that I do have a job as he does and that just because "I don’t wear the pants in the family" doesn’t mean that I am just a "skirt" and should be taking on the standard female role.  I mean, this is the nineties for god’s sake.  Woman have careers and can take care business just as well as a man can, so it’s time that men started to take care of homes and children (as well as work), like us women have to. Just my two cents worth ;-) Liz

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In article <5820et$…@srv13s4.cas.org>, sl…@cas.org says… >My SO has to leave for work at 5:30 a.m. So I am the one who gets kids up for >school.  Organization problem.  

Tell him to stay home ONE WEEK and deal with it! >She’s old enough to dress herself and fix her hair so after I hunt down the >brush, I start getting ready myself.  She leaves for school and 15 minutes >after that it is time to get the other girl up for school.  Of course I >immediately hear "I need the hairbrush."   >The other kid has already left for school and I have no idea what she did with >it.  Usually I find it, but about once a week it is nowhere to be seen.   >A few weeks ago I bought another brush for myself because I eventually had to >get mine from work to bring home because the other one had disappeared forever. >Since then the one from work has disappeared.  

I told my kids they are NOT allowed to go into MY bathroom after MY brush.  We did the "P.’s Brush/M.’s brush" thing, too.  For the exact same reason! >Problem:  On the days I can’t find the brush.  Also days in which I refuse to >search for it since I never actually get a chance to use it and I know I haven’t >had it.  Although I usually do have a comb.  But of course they can not possibly >do their hair with a comb it has to be the brush.  Then they will announce that >if the brush is not found they are not going to school, and they will commence >to sit in the middle of the floor in their towel telling me how they will not >be ready in time for the bus, "So, I guess you will have to take me to school, >or I’m not going.  

Tell them to CALL THEIR FATHER AT WORK and explain WHY they aren’t going to school.  Tell them you WILL NOT excuse an absence for misplacing their brush.   Tell them you WILL tell ALL OF THEIR friends about these morning rituals. >Problem # 2.  If they are refusing to get ready for school, What can I do >              in order for them to quit this.  I have thought about telling >              them if they can’t find the brush to get ready then that’s >              their problem, and if they refuse to get ready, leave them there. >              But I can just imagine how angry their dad would be if I left his >              10 year old home by herself.  We would be in one of the biggest >              arguments ever over me leaving his child alone, of course the kid >              knows this.  

Tell your hubby about the problem and ask HIM how to handle it.  TELL HIM TO handle it!  Let him know that EVERY time they pull this in the future you will have them a) call his place of employment and b) allow them to stay home to miss school … without a note to return the next day so that they CAN NOT make work up and their grades WILL suffer and c) If this situation doesn’t clear up, you WILL start leaving the house BEFORE they do and they will have to get themselves off to school … My 4th and 5th graders get THEMSELVES up EVERY morning, shower, get dressed, get breakfast, and get THEMSELVES off to the bus stop.  They KNOW that there will be HELL to pay if they miss the bus.  If they slept in, they DO NOT take a shower; if they miss breakfast, this is THEIR fault not mine.  WE (their father and I) agreed on this.  10 and 11 IS old enough to get themselves up in the morning. CALL THEIR BLUFF!  And let your hubby KNOW you’re calling their bluff. >My ideal would be to leave them sitting there naked and go ahead and go to >work, then call the school and let them know the kid refused to get ready for >school, and then they would at least have consequences from the school even if >their dad didn’t do anything about it.  

See above. >How do you force a 10 or 11 year old to get dressed when they refuse. Or to >do anything.

Talk with your hubby about this situation and FORM A PLAN TOGETHER.  You are the top managers in the home … plan a strategy! >Yeah, I guess they do know how to push my buttons.  They know I need to >leave for work, they also know I can’t leave them at home, and they also >know I can’t force them get dressed.

I have DRESSED my kids when they wouldn’t do it themselves.  I have GIVEN them clothes when they complain about they didn’t have anything to wear … and told them to PUT THEM ON! Talk it out with your spouse and DON’T give in until YOU are satisfied with the plan.  Let him know that if it continues HE can change HIS work schedule to be there to deal with the situation! Just my suggestions… HUGS! Cat >Wonderwoman  

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 If he’s expecting you to act like the housewife and give you complete responsibility for the home and children – become one. Anne First, from my past experiences, I would never trust a man to support me. I have worked since I was 14 and got emansipated at age 17. I have been the breadwinner in every relationship I have ever been in.  This time my SO has a job, but he is the type that will threaten to quit and has done so a few times. Sure we’ve had discussions regarding my parenting role.  He will tell me it’s my decision       –         UNTIL I MAKE A DECISION!  then the girls and him corner me and start drilling me about how what I did was unfair. Last week I tried to discuss my problems regarding the girls and them making my job harder by throwing clean clothes all over their floor, then they come to me and complain that they have nothing clean to wear. At the time he just said that laundry is my deal and I needed to work it out. OK, so girls were at their mom’s all from Wednesday – Sunday last week.  During that time I did 16 loads of laundry and hung up the shirts and folded the jeans then put all the clean clothes on Melinda and Jessicas’ beds to be put away. They came home Sunday night so the first opportunity they had to wear any of this stuff was Monday morning.  Monday and Tuesday getting clothes to wear to school was not a problem.  By the thrid day, I hear "I have nothing to wear" Please note:  This has been driving me soooooo Nuts that I decided to list every item that I had washed and taken to their room.   In all, 23 pairs of pants and 38 shirts.  Wednesday, Melinda borrowed a pair of her dad’s jeans to wear to school.  This morning Dad was home during all this.  Same routine Melinda comes down and says she does not have any clothes then Jessica follows and said she didn’t either. I explained how much of their clothes were clean on Monday morning and that there was no way they could have wore all those clothes in 2 days then I showed him the list.  I also had a second list where I wrote down every day Monday and Tuesday what they were wearing to school. So he said, OK lets go look in their closet and dressers to see how much clothes they have left.  Then I explained that there’s not going to be anything in the closest or the drawers because they had never put their clothes away in the first place.  Of course we get up there and the dresser is empty and so is the closet.  Three shirts were laying on the closet shelf. And, yes, that was the only items that were clean.  All the other clothes were on the floor one pile Jessicas’ dog had peed on the others had been walked all over and They were right All these clothes were dirty.   What I can’t get over is that everyone is teaming up against me and my ability to have the laundry done. Dad and the 2 girls. Then he started telling me how if I couldn’t have clean clothes for them then I could just stay home with them today because they can’t go to school naked. I also told him that by his attitude toward me in front of the kids, was reinforcing their behavior of not taking care of their stuff, then blaming me for it. After a while I just kept repeating to them every time one of them said something, "The Laundry was caught up on Monday morning, This is no on me, You are mad at the wrong, person, I will not take responsibility for this. Although it never did help them to quit yelling at me. By the time I left for work (which was 1/2 late because I had to drive the oldest kid to school since she was still in a towel when the bus came) I was actually shaking, my hands were shaking so bad it looked like one of those old people with a nervous condition. If I had spent the entire weekend doing laundry to make sure everybody had clean clothes and then they destroy my efforts then yell at me because it’s not good enough I just want to look at them and say THEN FUCK YOU! Its not so much that I want them to come with gratitude for every thing I do for them, but when I’m doing my DAMDEST to get something done then they come along and sabbatoge it, then condem me for not keeping up, for some reason that makes me just a little upset.   I AM NOT THE MAID! Wonderwoman

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|> Last week I tried to discuss my problems regarding the girls and them making |> my job harder by throwing clean clothes all over their floor, then they come |> to me and complain that they have nothing clean to wear. |> This is natural with all teens.  I have a bio son and daughter who do the same thing.  They dump all their clean clothes on the floor until I nag at them to put them away.  At first they even tried the trick of throwing back in the laundry when they were clean.  I caught on to that pretty fast, having had tried that myself when I was young. |> At the time he just said that laundry is my deal and I needed to work it out. Excuse me, but they are his kids.  Does he help in other areas around the house?  You didn’t say how old they were but it sounds like they are old enough to do their own laundry.  By the thrid day, I hear "I have nothing to wear" That statement sounds familiar.  Doesn’t matter how many clothes they own they will never have enough.  Sounds like they are teens.  My daughter washes a load of her clothes at least every other day because she swears "she doesn’t have anything to wear".  But I made it her resonsiblity.  The only problem I have is getting her to fold and put away. |> Then he started telling me how if I couldn’t have clean clothes for them then |> I could just stay home with them today because they can’t go to school naked. |> I also told him that by his attitude toward me in front of the kids, was |> reinforcing their behavior of not taking care of their stuff, then blaming |> me for it. That’s ridiculous.  If my SO ever said anything like that to me in front of the kids he would be out the door.  I am probably more at fault for saying things I shouldn’t in front of the kids but we try to keep our emotions in the other room.  I agree with you that his attitude is reinforcing their behavior.  The whole story is absurd.  Teach them how to do the laundry. End of story.

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 <<heard this story before>> >I AM NOT THE MAID! >Wonderwoman

You must have something invested in this shitty realtionship that you’re not letting us in on.  Why stay?  You’ve got a job, a car-leave! I’m, quite frankly, starting to have as little respect for you, as they do, and for the same reasons. Jeffrey

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Last week I tried to discuss my problems regarding the girls and them making > my job harder by throwing clean clothes all over their floor, then they come > to me and complain that they have nothing clean to wear. > At the time he just said that laundry is my deal and I needed to work it out. > OK, so girls were at their mom’s all from Wednesday – Sunday last week. During > that time I did 16 loads of laundry and hung up the shirts and folded the jeans > then put all the clean clothes on Melinda and Jessicas’ beds to be put away. > They came home Sunday night so the first opportunity they had to wear any of > this stuff was Monday morning.  Monday and Tuesday getting clothes to wear to > school was not a problem.  By the thrid day, I hear "I have nothing to wear" > Please note:  This has been driving me soooooo Nuts that I decided to list > every item that I had washed and taken to their room.   > In all, 23 pairs of pants and 38 shirts.  Wednesday, Melinda borrowed a pair > of her dad’s jeans to wear to school.  This morning Dad was home during all > this.  Same routine Melinda comes down and says she does not have any clothes > then Jessica follows and said she didn’t either. > If I had spent the entire weekend doing laundry to make sure everybody had > clean clothes and then they destroy my efforts then yell at me because it’s > not good enough I just want to look at them and say THEN FUCK YOU! > Its not so much that I want them to come with gratitude for every thing I do > for them, but when I’m doing my DAMDEST to get something done then they come > along and sabbatoge it, then condem me for not keeping up, for some reason > that makes me just a little upset.   > I AM NOT THE MAID! > Wonderwoman

You are right on there.  You are not the maid.  The washing machine is not a terribly complex piece of equipment.  They should learn to use it. Better to get them to do it now… it’s a useful life skill.  My brother brought his laundry home to my mom until he got married this fall (at 26).  Don’t let this happen to you. We have rules about clean clothes here.  I wash them and put them on the bed.  This means they have to be moved before you can sleep in the bed. If they don’t end up in closets and drawers, privileges vanish until they do.  If I was experiencing behaviour like you are getting, I would make laundry their DAD’s chore… I’m sure after 16 loads in one weekend, he’d decide to enforce some order. Good luck. Sian

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 I had to point out may times, that I do have a job as he does Hi Liz When I point this out the response I get is that He is a welder and I do data processing, so his job is more physically tiring than mine and since I sit on my ass all day at work I have to energy at night to clean. NOTE:  Usually by the time I get home at 7:00 the house has been ramsacked. Right not we are arguing because 11 year old made biscits the other day and the kitchen table and floor has Bisquick all over it.  I do usually do dishes when I get home, but messes like the flour (IT CAN SIT THERE TILL DOOMS DAY). Wonderwoman

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In article <58a8vc$…@srv13s4.cas.org>, <sl…@cas.org> wrote: >NOTE:  Usually by the time I get home at 7:00 the house has been ramsacked. >Right not we are arguing because 11 year old made biscits the other day and >the kitchen table and floor has Bisquick all over it.  I do usually do dishes >when I get home, but messes like the flour (IT CAN SIT THERE TILL DOOMS DAY). >Wonderwoman

Somehow, I think you’ll end up cleaning this up.  Like always. Jeffrey

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<sl…@cas.org> wrote: >First, from my past experiences, I would never trust a man to support me. >I have worked since I was 14 and got emansipated at age 17. I have been >the breadwinner in every relationship I have ever been in.  This time my SO >has a job, but he is the type that will threaten to quit and has done so a >few times. >Sure we’ve had discussions regarding my parenting role.  He will tell me >it’s my decision       –         UNTIL I MAKE A DECISION!  then the girls and >him corner me and start drilling me about how what I did was unfair. >Last week I tried to discuss my problems regarding the girls and them making >my job harder by throwing clean clothes all over their floor, then they come >to me and complain that they have nothing clean to wear. >At the time he just said that laundry is my deal and I needed to work it out. >OK, so girls were at their mom’s all from Wednesday – Sunday last week.  During >that time I did 16 loads of laundry and hung up the shirts and folded the jeans >then put all the clean clothes on Melinda and Jessicas’ beds to be put away. >They came home Sunday night so the first opportunity they had to wear any of >this stuff was Monday morning.  Monday and Tuesday getting clothes to wear to >school was not a problem.  By the thrid day, I hear "I have nothing to wear" >Please note:  This has been driving me soooooo Nuts that I decided to list >every item that I had washed and taken to their room.   >In all, 23 pairs of pants and 38 shirts.  Wednesday, Melinda borrowed a pair >of her dad’s jeans to wear to school.  This morning Dad was home during all >this.  Same routine Melinda comes down and says she does not have any clothes >then Jessica follows and said she didn’t either. >I explained how much of their clothes were clean on Monday morning and that >there was no way they could have wore all those clothes in 2 days then I showed >him the list.  I also had a second list where I wrote down every day Monday and >Tuesday what they were wearing to school. >So he said, OK lets go look in their closet and dressers to see how much clothes >they have left.  Then I explained that there’s not going to be anything in the >closest or the drawers because they had never put their clothes away in the >first place.  Of course we get up there and the dresser is empty and so is the >closet.  Three shirts were laying on the closet shelf. And, yes, that was the >only items that were clean.  All the other clothes were on the floor one pile >Jessicas’ dog had peed on the others had been walked all over and They were >right All these clothes were dirty.   >What I can’t get over is that everyone is teaming up against me and my ability >to have the laundry done. Dad and the 2 girls. >Then he started telling me how if I couldn’t have clean clothes for them then >I could just stay home with them today because they can’t go to school naked. >I also told him that by his attitude toward me in front of the kids, was >reinforcing their behavior of not taking care of their stuff, then blaming >me for it. >After a while I just kept repeating to them every time one of them said >something, "The Laundry was caught up on Monday morning, This is no on me, >You are mad at the wrong, person, I will not take responsibility for this. >Although it never did help them to quit yelling at me. By the time I left for >work (which was 1/2 late because I had to drive the oldest kid to school since >she was still in a towel when the bus came) I was actually shaking, my hands >were shaking so bad it looked like one of those old people with a nervous >condition. >If I had spent the entire weekend doing laundry to make sure everybody had >clean clothes and then they destroy my efforts then yell at me because it’s >not good enough I just want to look at them and say THEN FUCK YOU! >Its not so much that I want them to come with gratitude for every thing I do >for them, but when I’m doing my DAMDEST to get something done then they come >along and sabbatoge it, then condem me for not keeping up, for some reason >that makes me just a little upset.   >I AM NOT THE MAID! >Wonderwoman

Wonderwoman, I really feel for you – in fact, I started to get really steamed just reading your post.  If I were you, I would inform the dad that you will no longer do the laundry for the girls unless they also take the smallest amount of responsibility (i.e. put the clothes away.)  In fact, I think if I were you I’d probably just go on strike, but I can’t say that would be good for your relationship with your husband.  But at the least, if he says that the laundry is your province, and you should handle it, then you *should* be able to set a small rule about putting clothes away.   I think there’s a good possibility that two little girls who are obviously so adept at manipulating their dad could also be taught to do laundry.  It’s a little early, in the normal scheme of things, but with their behavior, I wouldn’t blame you if you told them they were responsible for their own clothes from now on. My teen-age stepson refused to carry his laundry down & back for me, when I have arthritis, and could not do the laundry without that. Eventually we had to discuss the issue (I was tired of getting two month’s worth of laundry dumped in one day) and we agreed he would do his own.  For several months he came to me each time, and I walked him through the whole process – sorting, loading, detergent, the right cycle, etc.  A pain for me, but not as bad as before!  And he definately knew who to blame if all his clothes were dirty, because it was HIS responsibility. The real issue, I think, is that your SDs are using the situation to cause tension between you and your husband, and they are succeeding. It doesn’t sound as if he’s supporting your step-parental rights in any way.  I’m not sure what you mean when you say he and the girls corner you and drill you, but it sounds to me as if he is allowing completely inappropriate behavior.  The girls are the children, and you and he are the adults.  That the girls feel they can demand service from you and then also be nasty about it is obviously out of bounds.  And he’s buying right into it.  They yell at you, collectively?  I would state in a loud voice, "This is inappropriate and I don’t have to listen to it," finish getting ready and leave. Period.  Repeat it over and over, until you’re out of there, leaving him to babysit if the girls won’t go to school. I agree with that suggestion of having your husband do the laundry for a while – I think a month might do.  Of course it might backfire because the girls might be just wonderful and put everything away for Daddy. Yep, I’m leaning more ‘n’ more toward saying you should just go on strike.  Told you I was annoyed, and I’m not even in your situation. Is there any hope for your husband – I mean, if you sat down and discussed the entire housekeeping issue, listing all that needs to be done and asking how it should be divvied, would he agree that you shouldn’t do it all?  Can he acknowledge that you shouldn’t have to wash 23 pairs of pants and 38 shirts twice in one week?  (Here’s an idea for those lists:  tell the girls you’re keeping a list of the washed clothing, and you won’t wash it again until they’ve worn it to school or whatever.  In other words, if they’re careless and it gets wrinkled, stepped on, whatever, they’re still stuck wearing it. Nasty, not kind, and maybe after one or two enforcings, they’d put them clothes away. )  I can’t help but think that much of the problem is your husband, not the girls.  They will only get away with what he allows them to get away with. Not going to school is not an option, and their dad has to agree on that.  If they won’t go, there has to be a punishment.  If he really thinks its okay to threaten you with making you stay home to watch his truant children, then maybe there isn’t a lot of hope.   I really think the greatest difficulty is that he isn;t backing you as a parent.   Just a lurker’s two cents, Holly Wood P.S.  I know how hard that kind of situation is, and how stressed you feel.  I’ve been there, shaking like a leaf in my car, too.  Remember, you have to take care of yourself, too – you shouldn’t always be the last priority.  Sometimes, at least, you have to be number one.  If things are too crazy, get out for a bit.  Good luck.

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