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I agree with Laurie, "Derailed" was a good movie with a twist at the end. smiles, Elise

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Have YOU given up ALL bread products?

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I think bread more than anything else is what set off my carb cravings recently. I love bread but I’m beginning to suspect that not only is it bad for me because of the weight gain, I think I have a wheat allergy. Giving bread and white flour up completely on induction seemed to clear up my stuffy head. I really didn’t miss it unless I let myself dwell on it. After induction I added one slice of LC whole wheat bread with breakfast. I’m not going to repeat that mistake. Also, for me substitutes never work. If I can’t have the real thing, substituting something else makes me miss the real thing all the more. The food needs to stand on it’s own as good. Not sure that makes sense to anyone else. — Bear- Grrrrrrrrrrrr  :o)

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And…… how did you do it?  Any tips or advice for substitutes? No, but I now make my own. It is very high fibre, whole grain,

This was gonna be my second question….. if I could just buy a bread machine and MAKE healthier bread than what I can buy?

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Bread was not a problem. If I really really should think about what I am missing, it is beer Mirek BEER!!!!!!   AAAAAAUUUUGGGGGGHHHH!  I am going out on a bender right now!!! Just kidding. Curt

Beer…  Sigh… Dan 325/199/180 Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year’s Resolution) Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

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Just curious how many people here have given up ALL bread products such as sandwich bread, crackers, cookies, etc

Yes. And…… how did you do it?

"Just say no." Any tips or advice for substitutes?

Tip 1: Don’t think about them. Tip 2: Substitutes only make you think about them. — Bob Kanyak’s Doghouse http://www.kanyak.com

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Just curious how many people here have given up ALL bread products such as sandwich bread, crackers, cookies, etc And…… how did you do it?  Any tips or advice for substitutes?

No, but I now make my own. It is very high fibre, whole grain, and with added olive oil to increase healthy fat content and slow conversion. I cut slices very thin and toast them as a rule. It is yeast based but I have to add baking soda to increase the proving, it is too dense otherwise. It is far more filling than even the heaviest commercial German style rye breads, and much lower in carbs. I reduce carbs to control blood glucose levels only, not for weight control. My weight loss was achieved by exercise and calorie reduction, the low carb aspect was incidental. Before I started my average daily calorie consumption was over three thousand-five hundred. It is seldom over fifteen-eighteen hundred at the moment, sufficient to satisfy appetite, although I am slowly increasing both calories and anaerobic exercise to regain some muscle weight so I can afford to start adding (carefully) some things back into my diet. Mostly vegetables and fruit at the moment, not more bread. Hopefully, once I build a lot more muscle weight I will be able to handle more carbs without BGL problems. At that stage I will probably add more bread products. I can forget the pasta and potatoes, I don’t miss them although they were something I used to indulge in quite heavily in the past, particularly before competition. I tried some pasta recently and had trouble digesting it. Felt very bloated and uncomfortable. Much the same way I did when I first started eating pasta many years ago. The rest was pretty easy, I didn’t drink sodas or beer very often, just wine and spirits, and didn’t have a sweet tooth. My desserts have always been more the cheese platter than the confection. With cheese is the other time I eat my bread, once again, usually toasted. I do miss some things, Yorkshire Pudding for instance, and most of all, I miss my Sushi. Rice unfortunately is out, it sends my blood glucose through the ceiling. I am going to try Sushi with the rice made without the sweetened vinegar, using a little light olive oil instead. I will probably try that later this week. When I can handle more carbs I will also try some old favourites, unsweetened wholemeal, sesame, carrot and banana cakes or best of all, a bitter chocolate, sour cream, and cherry cake. I love those. Regards David — To email, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject line. All other mail is automatically deleted. ‘

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Just curious how many people here have given up ALL bread products such as sandwich bread, crackers, cookies, etc And…… how did you do it?  Any tips or advice for substitutes?

I pretty much am committed to "no bread". Basically, I didn’t try to replace bread; I just discovered that lots of things as good or better. You can serve hors d’ouvres (shrimp, cream cheese, etc) on a slice of zucchini or cucumber instead of a cracker. How about smoked salmon and cream cheese wrapped in nori? Or lettuce tacos? They’re fantastic. I discovered that the local fondue place is happy to bring you just fresh veggies along with the molten cheese – I was in heaven Occasionally I have eaten whole grains and probably will add a little bit of that (such as wheat berries, bulgur, brown rice) back to my diet after I’m at goal. But I don’t miss it right now, and right now am contemplating on experimenting with making tabbouleh using raw unsalted sunflower seeds with a larger proportion of parsley and veggies than seeds. I’ll let you know how it turns out.

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David, Would you share your bread recipe?  I would like to play with making more of a whole grain bread (currently, I do about half and half), but I’ve had the problem where a totally whole grain bread is too dense also.  I’d like to see how to add the baking soda to make it work.  That sounds interesting. Rebecca – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just curious how many people here have given up ALL bread products such as sandwich bread, crackers, cookies, etc And…… how did you do it?  Any tips or advice for substitutes? No, but I now make my own. It is very high fibre, whole grain, and with added olive oil to increase healthy fat content and slow conversion. I cut slices very thin and toast them as a rule. It is yeast based but I have to add baking soda to increase the proving, it is too dense otherwise. It is far more filling than even the heaviest commercial German style rye breads, and much lower in carbs. I reduce carbs to control blood glucose levels only, not for weight control. My weight loss was achieved by exercise and calorie reduction, the low carb aspect was incidental. Before I started my average daily calorie consumption was over three thousand-five hundred. It is seldom over fifteen-eighteen hundred at the moment, sufficient to satisfy appetite, although I am slowly increasing both calories and anaerobic exercise to regain some muscle weight so I can afford to start adding (carefully) some things back into my diet. Mostly vegetables and fruit at the moment, not more bread. Hopefully, once I build a lot more muscle weight I will be able to handle more carbs without BGL problems. At that stage I will probably add more bread products. I can forget the pasta and potatoes, I don’t miss them although they were something I used to indulge in quite heavily in the past, particularly before competition. I tried some pasta recently and had trouble digesting it. Felt very bloated and uncomfortable. Much the same way I did when I first started eating pasta many years ago. The rest was pretty easy, I didn’t drink sodas or beer very often, just wine and spirits, and didn’t have a sweet tooth. My desserts have always been more the cheese platter than the confection. With cheese is the other time I eat my bread, once again, usually toasted. I do miss some things, Yorkshire Pudding for instance, and most of all, I miss my Sushi. Rice unfortunately is out, it sends my blood glucose through the ceiling. I am going to try Sushi with the rice made without the sweetened vinegar, using a little light olive oil instead. I will probably try that later this week. When I can handle more carbs I will also try some old favourites, unsweetened wholemeal, sesame, carrot and banana cakes or best of all, a bitter chocolate, sour cream, and cherry cake. I love those. Regards David

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Just don’t buy it!  That is what I did.  I use lettuce for wrapping sandwich material. After you hit goal, you may be able to eat bread products again on a limited basis.  Read the South Beach book regarding this. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just curious how many people here have given up ALL bread products such as sandwich bread, crackers, cookies, etc And…… how did you do it?  Any tips or advice for substitutes?

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David, Would you share your bread recipe?  I would like to play with making more of a whole grain bread (currently, I do about half and half), but I’ve had the problem where a totally whole grain bread is too dense also.  I’d like to see how to add the baking soda to make it work.  That sounds interesting. Rebecca

Hi Rebecca You appear to be posting from New Jersey, so Australian brands and products are not likely to be available, but you can probably find similar things to use. I use a commercial (Japanese) automatic bread-maker/oven with a whole grain pre-mix for convenience. I add to that a mixture designed to add fibre to cereal, it contains, bran, flax, and a small amount of crushed mixed nuts. Then light olive oil, (the light is in flavour, not calories etc.) a little garlic, ten grams of yeast where they recommend seven and five grams of baking soda in the dry mix before it is added to the machine. I set the machine to dough making rather than bread baking, remove the dough when finished, let it prove until it doubles in size, knead flat, spread grated cheese and garlic on it, fold it a couple of times, then let it prove again until it stops rising, (it a little more than doubles again), then bake in my normal oven. It takes twice as long to prove, often sits there all day under a couple of damp cloths, in fact I usually do it the morning then bake when I get home, but it tastes great. Well it does to my taste. <g I played with lots of variations for a few weeks and ended up with a method that uses mostly premixed products (not in the way that they were originally intended to be used) and so is very easy to remain consistent   as regards quantity and quality as well as ease of preparation. It comes out very heavy and moist, but with a fine even texture, slightly coarser than regular dark rye bread. You have to let it really cool before attempting to slice it or it will compress. It is far better when it is a day old. It works out (sliced thin, but still thick enough to toast) at seven grams of carb per slice. I use an electric delicatessen style slicing machine, it is too hard to be consistent by hand. The oil slows down the carb to glucose conversion and so doesn’t cause the sort of problems that conventional bread can create. I can eat two slices of it with less effect on blood glucose than a half slice of conventional wholemeal toast. It is very popular with guests, not just people on low carb diets. When I have a dinner party I make rolls with it, grating cheese over the top before baking. Regards David ps You should probably note that I exercise quite a bit, morning and evening and so can probably handle slow acting carbs better than those who don’t exercise at all. — To reply, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject line. All other mail is automatically deleted.

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Just curious how many people here have given up ALL bread products such as sandwich bread, crackers, cookies, etc And…… how did you do it?  Any tips or advice for substitutes? I pretty much am committed to "no bread". Basically, I didn’t try to replace bread; I just discovered that lots of things as good or better. You can serve hors d’ouvres (shrimp, cream cheese, etc) on a slice of zucchini or cucumber instead of a cracker. How about smoked salmon and cream cheese wrapped in nori?

Oh my!  That sounds wonderful!  Got any other ideas for using nori for low carb snacks?  I really love sushi, and have been just making exceptions now and then, but would love to find something that actually fits into the low carb lifestyle. Thanks, Rebecca

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Just curious how many people here have given up ALL bread products such as sandwich bread, crackers, cookies, etc And…… how did you do it?  Any tips or advice for substitutes?

I guess I would say that I still have some grain-ish things in my diet, but I’m very careful with it.  I make a breakfast "cereal" that works very well for me: 1 part wheat bran 1 part oat bran 1 part LC vanilla whey protein powder 2 parts almond meal 2 parts nutlettes – serve with Rice Dream and frozen blueberries If I am eating fried eggs for a meal, which I used to love to dip toast into, I now eat them with a can of green beans.  If I dip them into the yolk instead, it sort of satisfies me. If I have access to some really good home made bread, I go ahead and eat some.  That’s my exception to the rule, because it doesn’t happen all that often, and it’s so very wonderful. Just don’t eat the cookies.  They are impossible to control, and taste way too good to be resisted once you’ve started.  Don’t eat them, don’t even have them in the house.  Don’t make them for your kids.  They don’t need them either.  Don’t eat the low carb ones either.  They are full of maltitol and you will very quickly find that they don’t help you control yourself, and in fact might make you sick to your stomach.  Not worth it. Some people like to eat pork rinds as a finger food.  I tried some barbecue ones today that were actually tasty.  I don’t think I want to be in the habit of eating constantly, but it makes for a nice little snack if everybody else is eating cheese and crackers or dipping into m&m’s at a party. Rebecca

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Just curious how many people here have given up ALL bread products such as sandwich bread, crackers, cookies, etc And…… how did you do it?  Any tips or advice for substitutes?

I don’t eat any of that. I just don’t – don’t care to anymore, I don’t miss it or crave it. After I have reached my goal (30 more lbs) I will add some Wasa bread, Finn crisps and Melba toast occassionally.

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Just curious how many people here have given up ALL bread products such as sandwich bread, crackers, cookies, etc And…… how did you do it?  Any tips or advice for substitutes?

  Not one bite in 6 years….. cold turkey. Not missed in the least. — JK Sinrod Sinrod Stained Glass Studios www.sinrodstudios.com Coney Island Memories www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

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Just curious how many people here have given up ALL bread products such as sandwich bread, crackers, cookies, etc And…… how did you do it?  Any tips or advice for substitutes?

Yes. I think it was will power. Today, I had my first cookie in four or so months. I suppose that you need to convince yourself that the end is worth it, and that you will make yourself climb the hill. If you fall down a couple of times, just get back up and keep on doing it. Determined alcoholics and drug users and cagarette smokers slip and fall but get back up and keep going.  And many of them win the battle in spite of these setbacks. Jim —

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I haven’t had any bread since I started almost a year ago.  I haven’t needed it, and, like some others here, if I want a ’sandwich’ I’ll use lettuce as a roll-up.  I’ve tried the low carb tortillas, but I didn’t care for the flavor (too sharp) or the texture (kind of fake). — Linda 296/196/160 LC since Oct. 13, 2003 Now a happy member of the ‘100lbs. Gone Club’! http://home.att.net/~lewis_linda/index.html http://community.webshots.com/user/mslewtoo "Are you telling me there are dead people in my living room watching videos?"–Nina (Truly, Madly, Deeply)

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Just curious how many people here have given up ALL bread products such as sandwich bread, crackers, cookies, etc And…… how did you do it?  Any tips or advice for substitutes?

Almost. I’ll eat a low-carb tortilla once in a while. Besides that, no bread. Good substitutes? Meat, veggies, water… LCing since 12/01/03- Me- 5′7" 265/165/140 & hubby- 6′ 310/188/180 http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lcer09/my_photos

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Just curious how many people here have given up ALL bread products such as sandwich bread, crackers, cookies, etc And…… how did you do it?  Any tips or advice for substitutes?

I have.  I don’t really need substitutes.  I have a repertoire of meals I eat, including eggs, salads, and stir-fries.  I get variety by adding various things to those bases.  Like, last night I fixed plain frozen stir-fry vegetables and added pepperoni, a little spaghetti sauce, and parmesan cheese.  Tonight I’ll use the same frozen stir-fry, but I’ll add   leftover steak and teryaki sauce instead, so it will be a completely different flavor.  You can sub celery sticks for crackers if you want something to spread peanut butter or cheese on. — Michelle Levin http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick I have only 3 flaws.  My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

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I gave up wheat products before I started low carb as I suspected they were causing me problems.  I never was much of a sandwich eater so that was not difficult.  I do like good homemade bread though.  Before LC I satisfied myself with granola bars, now I eat some Keto Oatmeal Raisin or Caramel Nut Crunch bars, they are much more like pastries than the chocolate covered bars like Atkins and some others.  I usually have one of these for breakfast with coffee as I don’t like to cook first thing and I don’t particularly like things like eggs for breakfast.   Just this afternoon I had my first muffin in well over a year.  I got some Keto Corn Muffin mix to try out and ate one.  It was quite good, 5 to 7 net carbs depending on how you count, 2 of those are maltitol.  I actually count maltitol at 75%. | Just curious how many people here have given up ALL bread products | such as sandwich bread, crackers, cookies, etc | | And…… how did you do it?  Any tips or advice for substitutes?

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Just curious how many people here have given up ALL bread products such as sandwich bread, crackers, cookies, etc And…… how did you do it?  Any tips or advice for substitutes?

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I am going to eat bread for breakfast soon.  I used to eat my homemade wheat bread with almond butter or fresh ground peanuts on top.  I don’t think eating a piece of bread in the morning is any big deal for me anyway.  I work out too much to worry about that.  I love good bread and really can’t see me not eating it forever. I am not saying everyone can eat bread and get away with it. Curt

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Just curious how many people here have given up ALL bread products such as sandwich bread, crackers, cookies, etc

I did. Besides one average off-plan day per month, I am "grain free" for almost one year. And…… how did you do it?  Any tips or advice for substitutes?

Not that problem at all. And I was eating a LOT of bread / grains before. You can use veggies instead sometimes. E.g. to make sandwich, use lettuce to create roll-ups etc… Bread was not a problem. If I really really should think about what I am missing, it is beer Mirek

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Bread was not a problem. If I really really should think about what I am missing, it is beer Mirek

BEER!!!!!!   AAAAAAUUUUGGGGGGHHHH!  I am going out on a bender right now!!! Just kidding. Curt

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Just curious how many people here have given up ALL bread products such as sandwich bread, crackers, cookies, etc And…… how did you do it?  Any tips or advice for substitutes?

I occasionally have a slice of low-carb toast or a Wasa Fiber Rye cracker, but I’m really amazed at how seldom I DO have it — like once a month or LESS.  I only eat the rye as a side-effect of eating some pate or perhaps salmon-cream cheese spread.   — Saffire 205/148/125  -  5′1.5" Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo:  http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

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Just curious how many people here have given up ALL bread products such as sandwich bread, crackers, cookies, etc

Everything and anything containing flour, wheat, or any glutenous grains. Gone. And…… how did you do it?  

How does one stop eating anything.  By just not eating it Any tips or advice for substitutes?

I wouldn’t advise chasing after fakes.  But then again, it’s me who’s talkin

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I did while I was losing.  Now that I’m in maintenance, I will have 6 whole grain crackers at lunch with salmon spread or cheese.  If I’m out to dinner and the bread basket contains something other than white bread, I’ll have one slice.  And I’ll have a couple of low-carb tortillas each week.  During weight loss, I only had the two low-carb tortillas each week. And…… how did you do it?  Any tips or advice for substitutes?

Just do it.  Seriously.  Just stop eating things with flour in them.  Don’t fish around for substitutes, at least not until you’ve done this for a while, and even then be very careful.  Eat more veggies, eat more meat and fish, eat more cheese.  You don’t need flour products, it’s just that our food culture has made them part of the standard diet.  So rebel. Daria 166/under 145/under 145 sugar-free since 2/1/04 low-carb since 2/17/04

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GSD barking at talking…

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HOWEDY lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn,

That’s why I don’t really appreciate comments  like ‘what a bratty teenager’

lee john moore is a dog abuser and a mental case… like yourself, but he hasn’t been taking ANTI PSYCHOTIC MEDICATIONS for twenty years UNSUCCESSFULLY, like you have. You’re right & I apologize.

BWEEEEHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! Being tired & sick is no excuse for being

INSANE… too lazy to flesh out a more softly worded response,

IT’S ALL IN THE WORDS, AIN’T IT, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn. You dog abusers and mental cases are a SENSITIVE sort, ain’t you.  but it was the reason.

"REASON?" You’re a MENTAL CASE. That means you HAVE NO REASON or you’d not NEED to take ANTI PSYCHOTIC MEDICATIONS for twenty years, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn. The reason I recommended putting the dog in a down/stay instead of moving him out of sight was that

You’re a CONTROL FREAK and you gotta have the dog close by so you can CHOKE IT. they are less likely to bark from that physical position,

CITES PLEASE?  as well as to avoid the addition of anxiety of him not being able to observe the interaction between you and another person.

BWEEEEEHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! THAT’S HOWE COME THE DOG BARKS!!! But the barking to stop conversations is the worst symptom of a broader problem – this  dog has learned that he gets access to things he wants/needs by notifying you with a whuff.

CAUSE HE’S BEING IGNORED. That’s HOWE COME PRAISE IN ADVANCE ALWAYS WORKS. Don’t it, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.  In this case, what he wants is your complete attention.

RIGHT! So you’re gonna DENY IT, or GIVE IT TOO LATE cause you don’t have the INTELLECT to HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog or you’d NEVER NEED to HURT and KILL your dogs. Let’s talk abHOWET your SELECTIVELY BRED HAND PICKED and TESTED SAR dog JIVE??? BWEEEEWEAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! If that is not forthcoming, he increases the tone and duration of the communication signal that works in all other aspects of his life to the level of a demand.

And THAT make a MENTAL CASE ANGRY.  Hence my recommendation to go back and do some basic work to normalize his expectations.

LIKE THIS:  lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:  For barking in the crate – leave the leash on and  pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.  When he barks, use the line for a correction.  - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.  Lynn K. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lynn K. "I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in one shelter.)  But their ability to set their own schedules and duties causes a great deal of scheduling overhead. And it takes effort and thought to ensure that volunteers get the meaningful experience that they work for. Someone has to be responsible for that Volunteer Program, and it is best done by a non-volunteer." Lynn K. "I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed every adoptable dog on intake.  I frankly felt that the effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition. Should I have refused to groom them? Or even more pertinent – I was one of the people who had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter." Lynn K.

 Is that a MENTAL CASE or NOT?  NHOWE here she’s gonna lie abHOWET IT:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lynn, looks like he got you there if these quotes are true. In the posts below you take responsibility for making those calls. In your post above, you state you do not make those calls. Which one is it? : Nope, Bob.  Mikey isn’t a stupid man and he knows well the difference between: 1.  A non-shelter rescue group that occasionally has to put a dog down for health or temperament reasons.  (Yep, I’m involved with that.) : 2.  A trainer hired to evaluate a dog who might determine the dog is potentially dangerous. (Yes, again, I’ve been in that position.) : 3.  Public pounds that routinely kill stray and abandoned animals.  (Nope, I only pull animals from those pounds into the private rescue programs.)

It certainly does appear that your world has harsher realities – you say  that for every ‘one’ dog you take into your program, ‘FIVE’ others die!!!

The numbers are specific to German Shepherd Rescue in No. California, which is why they are so high. That is not true of the other breed escue I’m involved with, Border Collies.  It’s a reflection both of the downside of a very popular breed, and how ill-prepared many people are to deal with an active large dog. The sad fact is that the shelters are full of GSDs and we don’t have the foster homes to take them all out of the shelters. So we limit ourselves to taking those that are scheduled to be put down, and even then, can only save some. Fear Aggression towards other dogs, (and/or people), Separation problems and/or phobic behaviours.

The most common profile is a dog between 8 and 18 months old, that was picked up as a stray and unclaimed, with no evidence of any training. In our rescue, we don’t see any real difference in the numbers of males vs. females.  Separation anxiety is the norm, largely as a result of the dog’s recent experiences where we get them. But the real behavior problem are the exception, rather than the norm. Confrontational methods ‘to turn a dog around’ with these dogs would be far from beneficial.

Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary, just to be able to handle the dogs.  For example, we need to crate train a dog immediately because they are usually in need of medical care and they are in foster homes with other dogs. It’s a safety necessity. Can you please explain "spending months building the dog from the ground up" What method do you use that takes months?

Every dog is different, and their problems are different, and many take time.  We just had a very fearful 4 month old that we didn’t put up for adoption for 6 weeks because it took that long to build her confidence. I’ve got an older foster now – dog aggressive, starved to the point of muscle loss and food protective, dominant, an escape artist and roamer, totally untrained. I’d love to be able to have 4 months to turn him into the spectacular dog I know he can be.  But I don’t have the luxury of that time. Instead I’ve had to do what I can in 2 weeks.  That means correcting him for issuing fight challenges rather than careful desensitization, confronting him about food protection rather than letting it subside naturally, and minimal obedience training limited to housebreaking, cratetraining, allowing himself to be handled, sit, down, stay, and leash manners. And carefully placing him in a home I feel can do the rest that needs to be done. (He goes to that home on Sunday.) I too would like the answers to Anonymous’s questions (below)

I didn’t answer those because I think that Anon. post was Jerry Howe. Briefly, I didn’t refer to Koehler and didn’t mean Koehler when I used the term "confrontational". Using compulsion may have been a more accurate way to put it.  It is simply a necessity, rather than a choice. For example, the newly neutered dog-aggressive foster I described above.  I’d prefer to give him time to heal, keep him away from other dogs, then carefully monitor interactions, positively reinforcing him for non-reaction. But he had to come into my home, with 2 other dogs, immediately from the shelter and surgery.  A small enough home that keeping dogs competely separated is impossible.  So I had to do things like put him on a tiedown as my own dogs moved through the room and verbally correct him when he challenged them. Do I think the dog is damaged by it?  Not really. It isn’t ideal, but he’s alive and will make a decent pet. Lynn K. lynn kosmakos     (Lithium, Zoloft, bipolar, manic,                             depression) will "put down a biter                             as fast as anyone" yet claims to                             be a saintly dog rescuer "You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House Cats? Don’t bother. The answer is never." lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs: ‘This Article Is Something We’ve Put Together For SF GSD Rescue’  How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.

Okay – this is going to be a bit loooong  - Lynn K. "Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.  Don’t forget to put the muzzle on the dog.   I think a prong works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in this situation. Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how to instruct the owner in their proper use.   Electronics can take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars.  At that time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or whatever other reward system was being used."  Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don’t forget to put the muzzle on the dog.   I think a prong works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in this situation.   Have the dog in a sit-stay next to you with most of the slack out of the leash … read more »

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BWEEEEEHHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!! You’re an IMBECILE IDIOT, lee john moore. You’re puting your dog in the other room to "NOT PAY HIM ATTENTION" and that’s REWARDING him for the behavior you’re PAYIN HIM ATTENTION for to NOT PAY HIM ATTENTION!!! THAT’S INSANE… THAT’S HOWE COME it AIN’T GONNA WORK. Try THIS: DO IT LONGER so he FORGETS you’re PAYING HIM ATTENTION TO NOT PAYHIM ATTENTION!!! BWWWHWHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!! The Puppy Wizard. <{}; ~  )   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – // Hi,    You have given your dog the attention he so required. When he barked you reassured him. That’s not strictly true Pat.  First he was ignored.  Then he was reassured, under the mistaken notion that he was frightened of something and the only thing that works now is putting him in the next room (where his bed is) for two tiny minutes.  Not five, not ten, not a whole day; sometimes he doesn’t have a chance to lie down.  But it works. The problem now is: recurrence.  Why does it recurr if he *is* getting the message? That was the only attention he wanted. Now every time he barks when you are speaking…he will get you to speak to him. He doesn’t bark *every* time I’m speaking.  Just now and then when I’m speaking.  Sometimes once a day. Twice at most.  Usually when in the kichen (for some reason), occasionally when out. Just like a child will do….dogs and children are very alike. If you are doing obedience you will know that all you need to teach your dog is NO. NO is the word you should use for anything that is NOT acceptable to you. Quite.  And it applies to everything except his very recent ‘yapping’ behavioural problem.  For some reason, it doesn’t work in this case.  It’s like he doesn’t understand that ‘yapping’ isn’t the same kind of anti-social behaviour as chewing.  ’No’ was reinforced long, long ago. But it doesn’t work for ‘yapping’. Simple as that really…. So it’s actually not. — Lee John Moore "Prejudices, it is well known, are most difficult to eradicate from the heart whose soil has never been loosened or fertilised by education;"                                    – Jane Eyre (Charlotte

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Especially when what you are involved in is so negative… such as kidnapping and holding hostage and stealing the children of innocent parents 85-95+% of the time, and providing a situation where the children in your ‘care’ are eight to ten TIMES (or more) as likely to be abused, neglected or killed as in real families left unmolested by Gestapo CPS… and where statistics clearly show that on average children who have ever been in foster care at all fare far less well than children who have never been in foster care. I guess with all that hanging over you a little positive, even if nothing but onesided specious propaganda, is better than nothing, eh? <chuckle> Ronald Hunter wrote: > Thank you for posting this message.  Sometimes we fosterparents need to hear > something positive. > "Wex Wimpy" <wexwi…@citicom.com> wrote in message

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -free_kaler wrote: > In article <d2d67.174148$v5.15329…@news1.rdc1.ct.home.com>, Ron says… > >"free_kaler" <free_ka…@my-deja.com> wrote in message > >news:uu767.1690$ar1.6261@www.newsranger.com… > >> In article <oD667.34733$JN6.6784…@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com>, Ronald Hunter > >> says… > >> >Thank you for posting this message.  Sometimes we fosterparents need to > >hear > >> >something positive. > >> After all the butt kissing, I can imagine that you do. > >Free, you have become so caustic over the last few weeks, are you getting > >enough fiber in your diet? > >Ron > Why do ask Ron?  You want to check my butt?  (LoL) I find your question very > (quite) amusing considering that just yesterday you posted this:

Beware, as MoRon Mitty, in his tendency as a Gestapo CPS apologist and butt kisser/licker might take you up on it…. 9-} — ============================================================= Home Page: http://members.home.net/silverstorm/ We will never rest until Gestapo CPS is completely abolished!

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news:Qwi67.2142$ar1.6353@www.newsranger.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <d2d67.174148$v5.15329…@news1.rdc1.ct.home.com>, Ron says… > >"free_kaler" <free_ka…@my-deja.com> wrote in message > >news:uu767.1690$ar1.6261@www.newsranger.com… > >> In article <oD667.34733$JN6.6784…@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com>, Ronald Hunter > >> says… > >> >Thank you for posting this message.  Sometimes we fosterparents need to > >hear > >> >something positive. > >> After all the butt kissing, I can imagine that you do. > >Free, you have become so caustic over the last few weeks, are you getting > >enough fiber in your diet? > >Ron > Why do ask Ron?  You want to check my butt?  (LoL) I find your question very > (quite) amusing considering that just yesterday you posted this:

I’m sure that your butt is as big as it always has been, but I was inquiring about your diet, not your butt.  Normally your not quiute as abrasive as you have been in the last few weeks, and it was just a curious question.  Feel free to act and react any way you like, I dont really care, but you are showing a distinct change in your posts and the abruptness of your responses.  Just asking if everything is OK or if there is a reason for such a change. As for my posts, sometimes I’m caustic, sometimes I’m not.  Depends on who I am responding to and about what.  Dont worry your little head about it, you have to much to worry about now to be concerned with me. Ron

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In article <c8j67.175106$v5.15448…@news1.rdc1.ct.home.com>, Ron says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->"free_kaler" <free_ka…@my-deja.com> wrote in message >news:Qwi67.2142$ar1.6353@www.newsranger.com… >> In article <d2d67.174148$v5.15329…@news1.rdc1.ct.home.com>, Ron says… >> >"free_kaler" <free_ka…@my-deja.com> wrote in message >> >news:uu767.1690$ar1.6261@www.newsranger.com… >> >> In article <oD667.34733$JN6.6784…@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com>, Ronald >Hunter >> >> says… >> >> >Thank you for posting this message.  Sometimes we fosterparents need >to >> >hear >> >> >something positive. >> >> After all the butt kissing, I can imagine that you do. >> >Free, you have become so caustic over the last few weeks, are you getting >> >enough fiber in your diet? >> >Ron >> Why do ask Ron?  You want to check my butt?  (LoL) I find your question >very >> (quite) amusing considering that just yesterday you posted this: >I’m sure that your butt is as big as it always has been, but I was inquiring >about your diet, not your butt.  Normally your not quiute as abrasive as you >have been in the last few weeks, and it was just a curious question.  Feel >free to act and react any way you like, I dont really care, but you are >showing a distinct change in your posts and the abruptness of your >responses.  Just asking if everything is OK or if there is a reason for such >a change. >As for my posts, sometimes I’m caustic, sometimes I’m not.  Depends on who I >am responding to and about what.  Dont worry your little head about it, you >have to much to worry about now to be concerned with me.

I’m your Huckelberry.  Still having a hard time sleeping at night, eh?  Noticed you snipped your hypocracy. Message 1 in thread From: Ron (lucky5ed…@netscape.net) Subject: Some People! Newsgroups: alt.support.foster-parents Date: 2001-07-20 07:08:05 PST I find amazing how stupid some people are, but then again we have Neal dont we. Ron >Ron

"..and that you may never experience the humility that the power of the American Government has reduced me to, is the wish of him, who, in his native forests, was once as proud and bold as yourself."  Black Hawk, 1833

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In article <oD667.34733$JN6.6784…@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com>, Ronald Hunter says… >Thank you for posting this message.  Sometimes we fosterparents need to hear >something positive.

After all the butt kissing, I can imagine that you do. <snip> "..and that you may never experience the humility that the power of the American Government has reduced me to, is the wish of him, who, in his native forests, was once as proud and bold as yourself."  Black Hawk, 1833

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"free_kaler" <free_ka…@my-deja.com> wrote in message

news:uu767.1690$ar1.6261@www.newsranger.com… > In article <oD667.34733$JN6.6784…@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com>, Ronald Hunter > says… > >Thank you for posting this message.  Sometimes we fosterparents need to hear > >something positive. > After all the butt kissing, I can imagine that you do.

Free, you have become so caustic over the last few weeks, are you getting enough fiber in your diet? Ron

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In article <d2d67.174148$v5.15329…@news1.rdc1.ct.home.com>, Ron says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->"free_kaler" <free_ka…@my-deja.com> wrote in message >news:uu767.1690$ar1.6261@www.newsranger.com… >> In article <oD667.34733$JN6.6784…@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com>, Ronald Hunter >> says… >> >Thank you for posting this message.  Sometimes we fosterparents need to >hear >> >something positive. >> After all the butt kissing, I can imagine that you do. >Free, you have become so caustic over the last few weeks, are you getting >enough fiber in your diet? >Ron

Why do ask Ron?  You want to check my butt?  (LoL) I find your question very (quite) amusing considering that just yesterday you posted this: Message 1 in thread From: Ron (lucky5ed…@netscape.net) Subject: Some People! Newsgroups: alt.support.foster-parents Date: 2001-07-20 07:08:05 PST I find amazing how stupid some people are, but then again we have Neal dont we. Ron "..and that you may never experience the humility that the power of the American Government has reduced me to, is the wish of him, who, in his native forests, was once as proud and bold as yourself."  Black Hawk, 1833

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Thank you for posting this message.  Sometimes we fosterparents need to hear something positive. "Wex Wimpy" <wexwi…@citicom.com> wrote in message

news:b5obltool9vckr09rmlc28519cm0v7bons@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Foster Care- It’s A Different Worldby Jo Ann Wentzel > Families are challenging today. When you have a traditional number of > kidsit is difficult, when you have additional kids, more than the > average home,and challenging kids such as in foster care, the world > you live in isa different place. Thinking about the fact that foster > parents open up their homes to strangers and immediately make family > members of them is something that the average family doesn’t do. Your > world is very unlike that of your non-fostering neighbors. > Large families are familiar with some of the problems involved with > caringfor a whole mob of kids. Everything you do is on a large scale- > cooking,shopping, laundry, school events, doctors, illnesses and > meetings. I thinkthey have some idea of what life as a foster parent > is like. But, fosterparents have all this and then add the stress of a > variety of behavioralproblems, learning disabilities and kids just > trying to push the envelope -and lots of these kids. Family dinners > look like Roman feasts with all thedishes. > A parent in a melded family resulting from several marriages and each > spouse bringing their own children to the family have some idea of > what the family dynamics are for a foster family. But as foster > parents you have a wholearray of personalities that you are trying to > make into a unit to functionas a family. The numbers and look of the > family change constantly as kids come and go. That is what makes your > situation so unusual. > Most families have problems and crisis occasionally; a foster family > lives it 24/7. There is usually at least one child among your brood > who thinks itis his job to keep you in a constant state of anxiety. > You wonder if theoldest one is doing drugs. You may worry the middle > one has a very strongcrush on an older girl. The next two are both > experiencing school problemsand one has been thrown off the bus for > ‘acting out’. The smallest one isnot responding well to love and > attention. You believe she isn’t bondingwith you and your husband. And > those are just the beginning since problemscan change hourly and new > kids can arrive with their own set of problems.Older kids can move out > on their own, or get put into another facility. The face of the family > constantly changes. > In many regular homes, where kids are doing fine, rules established, > andlife somewhat normal, parent’s day ends at a reasonable bedtime and > beginsat breakfast. Not so for the foster parent who needs to do a bed > check, orwait up for kids with later curfews, or do all those things > the too-shortday didn’t include. Maybe a new crisis breaks out or you > have a suicidalteen or one that is simply too upset to sleep, your day > lengthens. Maybesomeone just needs to bear their soul or have finally > become ready to makean important revelation. Whatever the reason, your > job is not a 9-5 one. > Foster parents must know so many things to get through one day, that > yourworld barely resembles that of most parents. You need to have more > than aworking knowledge of drugs. A foster parent needs to know the > signs ofabuse. There is a need to understand reverse psychology and > the concepts ofreinforcement and re-direction. You need to be great at > logistics since youmust be everywhere at once and also learning how to > stretch a dollar or aday will add to your value. > As foster parents we must display more patience and control than > otherparents, because kids coming into our homes are not well-behaved > usually,they are not in-control themselves, and they do not want to be > theresometimes. Raising kids requires patience no matter what kind of > parent you are, but a foster parent cannot lose it without fear of > repercussions and possibly losing that child. They are and must always > be the professionals. > The chaos and craziness that is the norm for a foster parent is hard > to understand for most people. The question of why you do this along > with the usual statement, "I could never do what you do" lets foster > parents knowthey are not exactly like average people. The fact that > you like it and won’t do anything else convinces the world you are > different. This fact means that friends must come from the ranks of > other ‘crazy’ people just like you-namely foster parents. > So when your world seems like it is from another planet and you feel > likeyou live on the fringe of society, when your day resembles nothing > like your parents and you look in the mirror and do not recognize that > wild eyed parent, you know, it is true. You live in a different world. > But most times it is a wonderful world- rewarding and interesting and > you do make adifference. > Congratulations for being you and able to handle those outer limits.

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Foster Care- It’s A Different Worldby Jo Ann Wentzel Families are challenging today. When you have a traditional number of kidsit is difficult, when you have additional kids, more than the average home,and challenging kids such as in foster care, the world you live in isa different place. Thinking about the fact that foster parents open up their homes to strangers and immediately make family members of them is something that the average family doesn’t do. Your world is very unlike that of your non-fostering neighbors. Large families are familiar with some of the problems involved with caringfor a whole mob of kids. Everything you do is on a large scale- cooking,shopping, laundry, school events, doctors, illnesses and meetings. I thinkthey have some idea of what life as a foster parent is like. But, fosterparents have all this and then add the stress of a variety of behavioralproblems, learning disabilities and kids just trying to push the envelope -and lots of these kids. Family dinners look like Roman feasts with all thedishes. A parent in a melded family resulting from several marriages and each spouse bringing their own children to the family have some idea of what the family dynamics are for a foster family. But as foster parents you have a wholearray of personalities that you are trying to make into a unit to functionas a family. The numbers and look of the family change constantly as kids come and go. That is what makes your situation so unusual. Most families have problems and crisis occasionally; a foster family lives it 24/7. There is usually at least one child among your brood who thinks itis his job to keep you in a constant state of anxiety. You wonder if theoldest one is doing drugs. You may worry the middle one has a very strongcrush on an older girl. The next two are both experiencing school problemsand one has been thrown off the bus for ‘acting out’. The smallest one isnot responding well to love and attention. You believe she isn’t bondingwith you and your husband. And those are just the beginning since problemscan change hourly and new kids can arrive with their own set of problems.Older kids can move out on their own, or get put into another facility. The face of the family constantly changes. In many regular homes, where kids are doing fine, rules established, andlife somewhat normal, parent’s day ends at a reasonable bedtime and beginsat breakfast. Not so for the foster parent who needs to do a bed check, orwait up for kids with later curfews, or do all those things the too-shortday didn’t include. Maybe a new crisis breaks out or you have a suicidalteen or one that is simply too upset to sleep, your day lengthens. Maybesomeone just needs to bear their soul or have finally become ready to makean important revelation. Whatever the reason, your job is not a 9-5 one. Foster parents must know so many things to get through one day, that yourworld barely resembles that of most parents. You need to have more than aworking knowledge of drugs. A foster parent needs to know the signs ofabuse. There is a need to understand reverse psychology and the concepts ofreinforcement and re-direction. You need to be great at logistics since youmust be everywhere at once and also learning how to stretch a dollar or aday will add to your value. As foster parents we must display more patience and control than otherparents, because kids coming into our homes are not well-behaved usually,they are not in-control themselves, and they do not want to be theresometimes. Raising kids requires patience no matter what kind of parent you are, but a foster parent cannot lose it without fear of repercussions and possibly losing that child. They are and must always be the professionals. The chaos and craziness that is the norm for a foster parent is hard to understand for most people. The question of why you do this along with the usual statement, "I could never do what you do" lets foster parents knowthey are not exactly like average people. The fact that you like it and won’t do anything else convinces the world you are different. This fact means that friends must come from the ranks of other ‘crazy’ people just like you-namely foster parents. So when your world seems like it is from another planet and you feel likeyou live on the fringe of society, when your day resembles nothing like your parents and you look in the mirror and do not recognize that wild eyed parent, you know, it is true. You live in a different world. But most times it is a wonderful world- rewarding and interesting and you do make adifference. Congratulations for being you and able to handle those outer limits.

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where to live in Los Angeles?

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Encino is ok to live in if you work near there.  For somebody chasing all over the place looking for work, condemning them to a life dependent on the 405 and 101 is cruel.  Extremely cruel. — http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb146989

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I live in Encino. Which is two burbs over from Studio City. Encino is nice, and calm. So is Studio City, parts of Burbank, Sherman Oaks, Glendale. I would recommend for cost to safety ratio, living in the Valley. angie Y2K is over. Now what?

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Encino is ok to live in if you work near there.  For somebody chasing all over the place looking for work, condemning them to a life dependent on the 405 and 101 is cruel.  Extremely cruel.

It’s all a matter of perspective Bill. When I made my move from Thousand Oaks (Newbury Park) to the Valley (Van Nuys) living at the crossroads of the 405 & 101 was like a Godsend. Ever tried to drive from Thousand Oaks to the NBC Burbank Studios in July (without air conditioning)? Or from Thousand Oaks to Anaheim for daily fashion shows, …or even worse, to Costa Mesa for wardrobe fittings? Talk about the commute from Hell! I would suggest that (all factors considered) West Hollywood would be a good place for someone just moving into the area to live. It’s close to everything. And if you ever get lost, …just head West! Drama Queen — The best way to forget all your troubles is to wear tight shoes.

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Maybe they thought you were a man dressed as a woman!

<LOL HA! …with these curves, …with these legs, …with this body? Not on your life baby! Drama Queen — I’m really easy to get along with once you people learn to worship me!

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Los Angeles is a very interesting place to live, unlike most cities on the East Coast.  There are a lot of good parts but the worst being that you have a lot of bad areas mixed in with the good – and that goes for any areas that have already been mentioned.  Being a woman, I did extensive research prior to moving out here and found that the Hollywood Foothills closer to the West Hollywood area were the most accomodating in terms of proximity to the studios, stores, freeways, etc.  Also, the prices were reasonable and the areas somewhat cleaner. Right now there is a population influx, prices have increased somewhat so you really need to look at how much you intend to spend monthly (and I’m sure you have no intentions of living out of your car!) and go from there.    Unfortunately, you don’t get much for your buck out here, especially in Santa Monica and Studio City (sorry, fellas).  Santa Monica does offer peace of mind though, as it isn’t as congested as LA and is a lot cleaner and more open – but trips to the studios can be a pain in the butt because of the traffic.  It wouldn’t be worth the drive – no one needs to be stressed out in traffic before an audition! If you want, I can probably suggest some other areas.  Let me know – I’ve been all over this city with a fine-toothed comb.  I can probably give you a better idea as to what you’re looking for. Before you buy.

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Well, it used to be.  There was a time in the spring when everything centered around pilots, but within the last few years, I’ve heard that just isn’t the case now.  It sort of takes place all year long, instead of during a few months allotted for it.  Also harder to get seen by agents at this time, or so says a friend there. I am coming out to LA for pilot season. Where is a good place to live? Pilot season?? Is this an actual time of the year when there is alot of work for new shows? I guess so, but it just seems strange to have a set time. The place must be packed to the rims then.                          ……Redeem….. – The nature of destiny is sloped in the favour for failure –

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Yes…but who walks in Studio City?

That is why I want to walk, or ride my skateboard. With so much traffic, I will walking faster than everybody is driving.

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You can find a one room place for about 550.  I would not blow a lot of money on living.  Money buys time.  And since it requires time to make money, you will have to learn to live really cheap.  I’ve met a lot of people  "actors" that live in their cars.  I could not do that.  No way.   I doubt anymore than one percent of the people who come here to be actors make a living that way.  Not at all realistic. Have fun, go to a few auditions, maybe you get lucky.  Likely?  Nope. You don’t need to worry about safety.  LA is very safe, despite the publicity over crime and that.  I’ve been all over this place, literally, and have never felt unsafe. — http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb146989

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  West Hollywood is primarily a gay neighborhood, so as a woman you’d be relatively safe.

If WH didn’t have that reputation, how would you know? WH is expensive, and near Westwood, which is near UCLA which is not gay dominated I don’t think. Either way who cares?

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Recommendations I’ve received include Studio City and the Fairfax District, which I think is in West Hollywood.  Studio City is apparently more affordable than others.  West Hollywood is primarily a gay neighborhood, so as a woman you’d be relatively safe. Of course, I’ve never been to either place, so don’t quote me on anything…   Good luck! Teresa  =^]

Well Teresa, I can say without a doubt that not all men in W. Hollywood are gay! There are a whole lotta hetero men there too, either that, or every single hetero male in W. Hollywood chose to hit on me in one afternoon. Drama Queen — I’m really easy to get along with once you people learn to worship me!

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I live in Encino. Which is two burbs over from Studio City. Encino is nice, and calm. So is Studio City, parts of Burbank, Sherman Oaks, Glendale. I would recommend for cost to safety ratio, living in the Valley. angie Y2K is over. Now what?

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Wouldn’t that be like saying all men in S.F. are Gay? Awful narrow minded… and D.Q. you must have just found the lucky ones and your radiance converted them:) You should go on the road for the moral majority…. HEAL!!!!

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I lived in the valley for awhile…too damn hot!  Go to the beach cities where the air is cooler and easier to breathe. Ryan

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Recommendations I’ve received include Studio City and the Fairfax District, which I think is in West Hollywood.  Studio City is apparently more affordable than others.  West Hollywood is primarily a gay neighborhood, so as a woman you’d be relatively safe. Of course, I’ve never been to either place, so don’t quote me on anything…   Good luck! Teresa  =^] I am coming out to LA for pilot season. Where is a good place to live?

Before you buy.

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I am coming out to LA for pilot season. Where is a good place to live?

Pilot season?? Is this an actual time of the year when there is alot of work for new shows? I guess so, but it just seems strange to have a set time. The place must be packed to the rims then.                          ……Redeem….. – The nature of destiny is sloped in the favour for failure –

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How is Studio City. Are places expensive around there? Would I still need to carry my sword around to walk around the city? — "I’ll Buy That For A Dollar!" –SonicChaos AIM – SSJ SonicChaos  Visit My Sailor Venus Shrine  The V-Files    http://members.xoom.com/SonicChaos/files.html

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I am coming out to LA for pilot season. Where is a good place to live?

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studio city — http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb146989

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I’m in Santa Monica and could not be happier .  Why not enjoy the coast if you can?  It is a bit more expensive .  Good luck!                                                               Dr. Hansen

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…This is kind of future planning for me too, Doc…Can you give me a ballpark on the cost of living out there?  Say, start with a 2 or 3 bedroom house in a relatively "safe", clean area.  Also, how much would it cost to rent that house as opposed to buy? ….Only if you happen to have a general idea off the top of your head, don’t go searching or anything.  I don’t want to get flamed for not doing my own research! Thanks in advance Wall I’m in Santa Monica and could not be happier .  Why not enjoy the coast if you can?  It is a bit more expensive .  Good luck!                                                               Dr. Hansen

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I use SBox when I want a structured flight using my av and approach charts and a very detailed flight plan. Now, if I want something a lot lighter, I use the Zone with RogerWilco. To be honest, I’d prefer to combine the SBox *real* professional style with a voice system like RW rather than having to type–although, if you think about it, it must also be tough to remember long instructions without writing them down on paper or something, as with the current typed SBox, you can always scroll up an see the previous messages. So my point is, I’d like to keep SBox very professional, as similar a possible to the real thing for people who, like me, would like to [some day] learn to fly real planes even at my tender age of 43.  For those "lighter" days of the months, I use the dreaded Zone with RogerWilco for a real fun treat. Jorge Padron — – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Jonathan! For online flight, with squawkbox or anything else, I suggest either Roger Wilco or BattleCom for realtime, multi-pilot voice communications using a microphone.  Squawkbox/ProController is working at adding a system like this into theirs… but I must say, while the realism of Procontroller and Squawkbox has been pushed to new heights, the squawk/pc community has become more and more EXCLUSIVE… when it started (those glory days of yore, and the old guard nod and smile knowingly) it was just a bunch of people who wanted controlled airspace and it wasn’t so freaking serious… So what, you don’t know every section of FAA… you Learn them by flying them and being instructed as you go, and you SHOULD understand when you reach those dizzying heights of greatness that those newbies behind you are just like you were. I can fully understand, for those real pilots out there who want realistic ATC to the highest degree, it must be a wonderful tool.  However, I seriously doubt every flightsim pilot out there is a qualified pilot as well, having a working knowledge of flight rules inside and out, and how to deal with a tower.  Furthermore, I seriously doubt every flightsimmer out there has top end machines with the best of the best, to cater to the whims of every shit hot Controller who gets pee’d off ‘cuz you have the GALL to ask for something twice, or in plain english, until you learn the jargon (he says, as he acknowledges RGR ORD_DEP, cleared for t/o rw 32L, c/m 3500 at r/w heading, expect FL140 in ten, Xray Romeo Hotel, all TYPED while trying to FLY the damned profile… thank god for pause buttons). A buddy of mine told me before I tried golfing "Its best when you play with three or four guys who like the game, but don’t give a darn" and he’s right; its better when you’re playing golf to have fun, to relax, not to WIN… if you’re gonna treat this like real life to the very letter, find yourself a room and let the rest of us do some flying the way its meant to be done.. expression of freedom, release, doing something you’d rather be doing but CAN’T for whatever reason. FOR THIS REASON, I’d suggest you check out online flying with Roger Wilco (http://www.resounding.com) or BattleCom (http://www.shadowfactor.com/beta.html)… try the beta’s, see if you like ‘em, and then decide before you get snagged into an arguably "more realistic" trap. (Better get your pilot rating , and number, and callsign, too while you’re at it.) Rantingly, James. I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC communication which is lacking on FS98 in my oppinion. Anyone who can help me please E-Mail me: Many Thanks — James Parsons Memorial University of Newfoundland http://www.cs.mun.ca/~james2/

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…..If you go on there and say "Uhh – I’m new to this" – I know the controllers will bend over backwards to help you learn the proper procedures and answer any questions you have.  They’re not there to yell at you – they are there because they enjoy controlling just as much as you enjoy flying.

YES ! Couldn’t agree more. As a newbie with SB, all controllers have had their heads screwed on the right way, and treat new people to a sim with common sense. Can’t really speak highly enough for them…. And guess what – it’s fun ! — KBS

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Hey JP, nice initials! While I can understand your concern about SB/PC being "too exclusive" I, for one, am glad that there are controls on who is using the system.  I’ve seen too many instances (especially "back in the day") where pilots would suddenly "develop emergencies" such that more people were declaring emergencies than not.  I’ve also seen 3 or 4 "Air Force One’s" demanding first priority.

I know what you’re saying, and I agree there need to be controls, but… this is ridiculous.  I rant mostly (and unusually for me) becuz I haven’t been using it, more than "Those bloody idiots pissed me off again".  I had nothing but good experiences with PC/SB when I was first using it, I went head over heels with the level of realism they could offer, and I KNEW it was gonna start getting exclusive the moment they started having testing procedures for their pilots and controllers.  The BEAUTY of this system is you have the option of where you wanna connect and whatnot… and if a controller gets on your nerves (for whatever reason) and is generally being a pain rather than an aid, you can leave. Its not like you’re stuck at FL140. As far as controllers getting p.o.’d – I’ve never seen it happen where it wasn’t due to something extremely annoying or stupid on the part of the person causing the source of the annoyment  <SNIPPED THE ANECDOTE, IT WAS GOOD THOUGH Now, if they are very curt (sp?) with you – it’s probably because there are a ton of people they need to move into or out of the air or around the airport.  It ain’t because they want to yell at you.

They can choose to ignore with SB/PC too… boy that’d be even simpler… well that is unless the program demands proper spacing of a/c and whatnot… in which case, I think thats a little too much.  You either treat people as means to an end (I’ll suffer the yahoo’s, Air Force One’s, and fake emergencies just so I can get my credentials, and THEN its all easy sailing) or you can treat them as ends in themselves (This guy is being a moron, time to switch to channel IGNORE and pay attention to the pilots who are with me). Every time I’ve been using SB – and I’ve been using it since it’s inception – all of the controllers have been extremely easy to work with – very friendly – and always getting more professional.  After all – isn’t *that* why we use SB/PC – *because* we *want* professional-acting controllers and pilots.

I argue that this is becuz you are aiming for proficiency.  Some wackos (myself included) enjoy it too, learning the system and following it to the letter for no better reason than flying astounds and delights me.  I can guarentee we’re (these two groups) not the entirety of FS pilots… and I happen to think that its worth relaxing rules to accomodate all simmers. The other side of this argument (and I recognize it) is that if I decide to use a server that is being maintained and run by Satco, than I should abide by their rules, and I have no problem with that either, its just a question of respect. I’d much rather see the text (or hear it over BFC) "WW5041, taxi to RWY 32L via taxiways M and L2, hold short, contact Tower on 121.35"  Than to see (or hear) "Uhh, yeah – move to the Runway over there – I think it’s 32L or something. When you get there, stop and then talk to Joe on 121.35"

I differ in opinion there, for the plain reason that everyone is not a real pilot… and the first time user who snags a seasoned controller will draw ridicule for not knowing taxiway M from a hole in the ground. I WANT the controllers to be as professional as possible – not only do I enjoy it because it increases realism, but the fact that I am using procedures as real as possible allows me to not get too rusty (as far as comm procedures, reporting procedures, and flying the published approaches) when I am not taking real flying lessons.

Exactly. I understand that… and I said that I can see this program’s utility for pilots and students in my original post.  Not everyone is a pilot. My advice is – read the FAQ, try SB and see if it’s for you.  If you go on there and say "Uhh – I’m new to this" – I know the controllers will bend over backwards to help you learn the proper procedures and answer any questions you have.  They’re not there to yell at you – they are there because they enjoy controlling just as much as you enjoy flying.

Roger that JP… I think that this is true for a huge majority of the time… but I think there still ought to be a server where newer users can learn the ropes in a friendlier, less reactive environment, for the sake of both the dedicated users as well as the newer users.  For that matter I think there ought to be a server where I don’t have to log on with a pilot or controller number, but that’s Satco’s volition, and seeing how the system is set up with this validation unit integrated, its kinda hard to backward engineer it now. My main point wasn’t to blast SB/PC completely, to call it useless, or call a boycott or anything like that… just its farcical to say that SB/PC can be learned and used in ten minutes flat.  New users need to be integrated into the whole as memebers who are every bit as important as the ones who’ve been there since the beginning. Straighten up and fly right, regards, James P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Jonathan! For online flight, with squawkbox or anything else, I suggest either Roger Wilco or BattleCom for realtime, multi-pilot voice communications using a microphone.  Squawkbox/ProController is working at adding a system like this into theirs… but I must say, while the realism of Procontroller and Squawkbox has been pushed to new heights, the squawk/pc community has become more and more EXCLUSIVE… when it started (those glory days of yore, and the old guard nod and smile knowingly) it was just a bunch of people who wanted controlled airspace and it wasn’t so freaking serious… So what, you don’t know every section of FAA… you Learn them by flying them and being instructed as you go, and you SHOULD understand when you reach those dizzying heights of greatness that those newbies behind you are just like you were. I can fully understand, for those real pilots out there who want realistic ATC to the highest degree, it must be a wonderful tool.  However, I seriously doubt every flightsim pilot out there is a qualified pilot as well, having a working knowledge of flight rules inside and out, and how to deal with a tower.  Furthermore, I seriously doubt every flightsimmer out there has top end machines with the best of the best, to cater to the whims of every shit hot Controller who gets pee’d off ‘cuz you have the GALL to ask for something twice, or in plain english, until you learn the jargon (he says, as he acknowledges RGR ORD_DEP, cleared for t/o rw 32L, c/m 3500 at r/w heading, expect FL140 in ten, Xray Romeo Hotel, all TYPED while trying to FLY the damned profile… thank god for pause buttons). A buddy of mine told me before I tried golfing "Its best when you play with three or four guys who like the game, but don’t give a darn" and he’s right; its better when you’re playing golf to have fun, to relax, not to WIN… if you’re gonna treat this like real life to the very letter, find yourself a room and let the rest of us do some flying the way its meant to be done.. expression of freedom, release, doing something you’d rather be doing but CAN’T for whatever reason. FOR THIS REASON, I’d suggest you check out online flying with Roger Wilco (http://www.resounding.com) or BattleCom (http://www.shadowfactor.com/beta.html)… try the beta’s, see if you like ‘em, and then decide before you get snagged into an arguably "more realistic" trap. (Better get your pilot rating , and number, and callsign, too while you’re at it.) Rantingly, James. I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC communication which is lacking on FS98 in my oppinion. Anyone who can help me please E-Mail me: Many Thanks

– James Parsons Memorial University of Newfoundland http://www.cs.mun.ca/~james2/

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I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC communication which is lacking on FS98 in my oppinion. Anyone who can help me please E-Mail me: Many Thanks

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Try www.simviation.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC communication which is lacking on FS98 in my oppinion. Anyone who can help me please E-Mail me: Many Thanks

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Hi Jonathan, first of all make sure you’ve got fs98pat1.exe from microsoft and fsfsconv.exe, available all over the web. Then I advise you to use gpws98 available at http://www.flightsimmers.net/gpws Kind regards, Kees Jonathan Lawson heeft geschreven in bericht – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC communication which is lacking on FS98 in my oppinion. Anyone who can help me please E-Mail me: Many Thanks

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If your into flying on line and want Flight Management controls, then you must get Squawkbox www.satco.satnet.org Ian www.iguy.freeserve.co.uk/vas.htm (there are links there)

Try www.simviation.com

I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC communication which is lacking on FS98 in my oppinion. Anyone who can help me please E-Mail me: Many Thanks

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I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC

Check out Flight Simulator Finland: http://www.fsfinland.dahle.net/ (the largest Scandinavian FS site with hunderds of Megabytes of different add-ons to FS) — Sami Puro – Flight Simulator Finland Webmaster – http://www.fsfinland.dahle.net

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Why dont you try www.flightsim.com I think it is one of hhe best. zman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC Check out Flight Simulator Finland: http://www.fsfinland.dahle.net/ (the largest Scandinavian FS site with hunderds of Megabytes of different add-ons to FS) — Sami Puro – Flight Simulator Finland Webmaster – http://www.fsfinland.dahle.net

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I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC Check out Flight Simulator Finland: http://www.fsfinland.dahle.net/ (the largest Scandinavian FS site with hunderds of Megabytes of different add-ons to FS)

These days, I don’t know that you need to have a _single_ best site.   There are some which are good general sources, and others which might be ideal for particular interests. As a for-instance, anyone interested in FS flying over the UK really ought to bookmark the www.magrathea.clara.net site because of the UK Scenery Project.  But if you’re not interested in that part of the world, there’s not really much of interest. And one or two of the really good sites are a bit awkward because of the traffic levels, even though they do carry a lot of good stuff. If I’m reading my bookmark file right, home.att.net/~chdome/ is definitely worth a look for anyone interested in aircraft and panels. But there is so much stuff out there, on so many sites, that the best way to answer your question might be to try a few search engines.  Look for the particular sorts of aircraft you’re interested in, but don’t forget to include "FS98" or whatever in the search pattern. — David G. Bell — Farmer, SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

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I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC communication which is lacking on FS98 in my oppinion. Anyone who can help me please E-Mail me: Many Thanks

Squawkbox. the ONLY addon you need! Live atc from real people, real weather, a fully functioning FMS and TCAS… FREE! I think the site is http://www.avsim.com/mike/sb_pc — Mike Teague – http://glock.triax.com

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Hi Jonathan! For online flight, with squawkbox or anything else, I suggest either Roger Wilco or BattleCom for realtime, multi-pilot voice communications using a microphone.  Squawkbox/ProController is working at adding a system like this into theirs… but I must say, while the realism of Procontroller and Squawkbox has been pushed to new heights, the squawk/pc community has become more and more EXCLUSIVE… when it started (those glory days of yore, and the old guard nod and smile knowingly) it was just a bunch of people who wanted controlled airspace and it wasn’t so freaking serious… So what, you don’t know every section of FAA… you Learn them by flying them and being instructed as you go, and you SHOULD understand when you reach those dizzying heights of greatness that those newbies behind you are just like you were. I can fully understand, for those real pilots out there who want realistic ATC to the highest degree, it must be a wonderful tool.  However, I seriously doubt every flightsim pilot out there is a qualified pilot as well, having a working knowledge of flight rules inside and out, and how to deal with a tower.  Furthermore, I seriously doubt every flightsimmer out there has top end machines with the best of the best, to cater to the whims of every shit hot Controller who gets pee’d off ‘cuz you have the GALL to ask for something twice, or in plain english, until you learn the jargon (he says, as he acknowledges RGR ORD_DEP, cleared for t/o rw 32L, c/m 3500 at r/w heading, expect FL140 in ten, Xray Romeo Hotel, all TYPED while trying to FLY the damned profile… thank god for pause buttons). A buddy of mine told me before I tried golfing "Its best when you play with three or four guys who like the game, but don’t give a darn" and he’s right; its better when you’re playing golf to have fun, to relax, not to WIN… if you’re gonna treat this like real life to the very letter, find yourself a room and let the rest of us do some flying the way its meant to be done.. expression of freedom, release, doing something you’d rather be doing but CAN’T for whatever reason. FOR THIS REASON, I’d suggest you check out online flying with Roger Wilco (http://www.resounding.com) or BattleCom (http://www.shadowfactor.com/beta.html)… try the beta’s, see if you like ‘em, and then decide before you get snagged into an arguably "more realistic" trap. (Better get your pilot rating , and number, and callsign, too while you’re at it.) Rantingly, James. I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC communication which is lacking on FS98 in my oppinion. Anyone who can help me please E-Mail me: Many Thanks

– James Parsons Memorial University of Newfoundland http://www.cs.mun.ca/~james2/

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While I can understand your concern about SB/PC being "too exclusive" I, for one, am glad that there are controls on who is using the system.  I’ve seen too many instances (especially "back in the day") where pilots would suddenly "develop emergencies" such that more people were declaring emergencies than not.  I’ve also seen 3 or 4 "Air Force One’s" demanding first priority. As far as controllers getting p.o.’d – I’ve never seen it happen where it wasn’t due to something extremely annoying or stupid on the part of the person causing the source of the annoyment (about a month ago, flying in Indy/St Louis/Cinncy corridor – I was witness to two different people declaring emergencies on takeoff due to engine fires within 5 mins of each other.  While this in and of itself may not warrant a pissed-off controller, the fact that they were *also* ignoring his vectors back to the airport is probably what led to him calling in a "SatcoX" controller – one of the management types – to deal with the situation.)  Now, if they are very curt (sp?) with you – it’s probably because there are a ton of people they need to move into or out of the air or around the airport.  It ain’t because they want to yell at you. Every time I’ve been using SB – and I’ve been using it since it’s inception – all of the controllers have been extremely easy to work with – very friendly – and always getting more professional.  After all – isn’t *that* why we use SB/PC – *because* we *want* professional-acting controllers and pilots.  I’d much rather see the text (or hear it over BFC) "WW5041, taxi to RWY 32L via taxiways M and L2, hold short, contact Tower on 121.35"  Than to see (or hear) "Uhh, yeah – move to the Runway over there – I think it’s 32L or something. When you get there, stop and then talk to Joe on 121.35" I WANT the controllers to be as professional as possible – not only do I enjoy it because it increases realism, but the fact that I am using procedures as real as possible allows me to not get too rusty (as far as comm procedures, reporting procedures, and flying the published approaches) when I am not taking real flying lessons. My advice is – read the FAQ, try SB and see if it’s for you.  If you go on there and say "Uhh – I’m new to this" – I know the controllers will bend over backwards to help you learn the proper procedures and answer any questions you have.  They’re not there to yell at you – they are there because they enjoy controlling just as much as you enjoy flying. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi Jonathan! For online flight, with squawkbox or anything else, I suggest either Roger Wilco or BattleCom for realtime, multi-pilot voice communications using a microphone.  Squawkbox/ProController is working at adding a system like this into theirs… but I must say, while the realism of Procontroller and Squawkbox has been pushed to new heights, the squawk/pc community has become more and more EXCLUSIVE… when it started (those glory days of yore, and the old guard nod and smile knowingly) it was just a bunch of people who wanted controlled airspace and it wasn’t so freaking serious… So what, you don’t know every section of FAA… you Learn them by flying them and being instructed as you go, and you SHOULD understand when you reach those dizzying heights of greatness that those newbies behind you are just like you were. I can fully understand, for those real pilots out there who want realistic ATC to the highest degree, it must be a wonderful tool.  However, I seriously doubt every flightsim pilot out there is a qualified pilot as well, having a working knowledge of flight rules inside and out, and how to deal with a tower.  Furthermore, I seriously doubt every flightsimmer out there has top end machines with the best of the best, to cater to the whims of every shit hot Controller who gets pee’d off ‘cuz you have the GALL to ask for something twice, or in plain english, until you learn the jargon (he says, as he acknowledges RGR ORD_DEP, cleared for t/o rw 32L, c/m 3500 at r/w heading, expect FL140 in ten, Xray Romeo Hotel, all TYPED while trying to FLY the damned profile… thank god for pause buttons). A buddy of mine told me before I tried golfing "Its best when you play with three or four guys who like the game, but don’t give a darn" and he’s right; its better when you’re playing golf to have fun, to relax, not to WIN… if you’re gonna treat this like real life to the very letter, find yourself a room and let the rest of us do some flying the way its meant to be done.. expression of freedom, release, doing something you’d rather be doing but CAN’T for whatever reason. FOR THIS REASON, I’d suggest you check out online flying with Roger Wilco (http://www.resounding.com) or BattleCom (http://www.shadowfactor.com/beta.html)… try the beta’s, see if you like ‘em, and then decide before you get snagged into an arguably "more realistic" trap. (Better get your pilot rating , and number, and callsign, too while you’re at it.) Rantingly, James. I’ve just got the standard FS98 and was wondering what the best downloads that I could get are? Preferably add on’s with new planes and ATC communication which is lacking on FS98 in my oppinion. Anyone who can help me please E-Mail me: Many Thanks

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Help w/4 yr old's temper tantrums

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Studies indicate that temper tantrum stop by themselves once the child has matured a little. It’s not something that other people can control so far as the child not having a tantrum. Studies, schmudies.  I have gone through 4 yrs of temper tantrums and in denial that child will outgrow temper tantrums, and the solution of putting him in his room.  For some children maybe it will happen.  For others, like me, it didn’t. When I stopped accepting my son’s tantrums as being the norm, the tantrums decreased in number.  Your son was older by then. What makes you think that the incidence of tantrums wasn’t going down as a result of your child maturing? As happens for everyone else.  If you’re convinced that you’re really onto something as far as an adult influencing the frequency of small children’s temper tantrums, maybe you should contact the top child psychologist in the nation to inform them of this fact?

Ask yourself this Elaine, do you believe that parental influence has some affect on the way children behave?  Why do think that parents are there? Just to house and nourish children?  One of the biggest jobs is to raise children to be responsible adults, how do you think a parent could achieve this? I started taking a pro-active approach.  I told they were not acceptable, and that he was going to have to stop doing them.  So what leads you to believe that he had not recently gained the emotional maturity to connect his tantrum with your decree?

Well, duh, once I told him that I wasn’t accepting them anymore, they suddenly disappeared and I have seen him heading towards a tantrum and he stops himself.That is what I am talking about, teaching the child to recognize when they are upset and not go into a tantrum of kicking and screaming, but rather say he is mad and why.  Just sending him to his room was not enough.  I could not send him to his room when he would have them in pre-school, or in Kindergarten or in grade 1.   There were consequences and denial of privileges, the whole gammit of negative consequences.  And none of the reprimands worked up to that point. So why would one more reprimand of a negative consequence change anything?

You snipped too much, and took my words out of context.  What I said was that, yes, at home, he was sent to his room during a tantrum. But at school I couldn’t obviously send him to his room.  Sending a child to his room, does essentially nothing, there has to be followup of consequences after the tantrum.It is you that feels that sending a child to his room, will control the tantrums, it will not.  He has to be taught that there are consequences for having a tantrum, be it denial of priveleges,  or any other kind of negative consequences.  If he is never taught that having a tantrum is not good, he will always continue with them. How can a child learn anything, sitting alone in his room? How will he ever learn to control his temper, sitting alone in his room?  How will he ever communicate that he is angry without screaming and yelling if he is alone in his room?   For some children, not all, this has to be taught, like the ABC’s or math. Jennifer

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The most powerful tool I had in helping Jenny with her tantrums was to realize that she did indeed have control over them. Most everything I read said the child can’t control them.  They made it sound as if some evil spirit had just invaded her body, and she was helpless to stop it from throwing the temper tantrum.  They made it sound as if the tantrum was happening *to* her.  One book even claimed the tantrums were some kind of terrible event that was happening and left the child frightened that it would come back, and I was supposed to comfort her throughout the temper tantrum!  Hogwash!

Yes to a certain degree my son was like your daughter.  My babysitter,(who had her own children and dealt with tantrums before) told me that my son was more severe than her daughters.  Once he was into the tantrum, there was nothing stopping it. He was in complete rage.  I realize that most kids are not like this, but he was. The difference in stopping them has been a combination of things.  He has been diagnosed with severe language disorder and so it was very hard to communicate with him when he was in a good mood, when he was in the midst of a temper tantrum, there was no reasoning with him.  I couldn’t get him to stop.  Since he has matured a little, it is easier to talk with him after he has his tantrum,  tell him that it wasn’t acceptable, and then I could dele out his punishment. This is why I believe you’re finding that your son is having fewer of them once you stopped accepting his temper tantrums.  Learning how to work with Jenny’s temper tantrums was one of the first things that made me really think twice about the advice offered in the books I had. Some of it was great!  But some of it was just the opposite of what I needed to do with my child!  I’d hate to think of where we’d be if I followed the advice of the books that suggested that I ignore her temper tantrums.

Yes, some of the books sucked!  I was lost and felt like I was going crazy.  I did alot of things wrong, when I look back. ie..spankings.  When I think back of how many times I would get upset and angry and only feed into what was happening and the result was my son in his room angry, upset and crying because of a spanking.  I feel a great guilt with all my mistakes, but can only try to improve and pass on information to other parents who are going through the same terrible cycle.  My son still has his moments, but they are controllable now, and I can just raise my eyebrow the right way, to get him to snap out of it. I must say that I have more patience and fortitude today than when I first started dealing with him. Jennifer

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 Studies indicate that temper tantrum stop by themselves once the child has matured a little. It’s not something that other people can control so far as the child not having a tantrum. Studies, schmudies.  I have gone through 4 yrs of temper tantrums and in denial that child will outgrow temper tantrums, and the solution of putting him in his room.  For some children maybe it will happen.  For others, like me, it didn’t. When I stopped accepting my son’s tantrums as being the norm, the tantrums decreased in number.

 Your son was older by then. What makes you think that the incidence of tantrums wasn’t going down as a result of your child maturing? As happens for everyone else.  If you’re convinced that you’re really onto something as far as an adult influencing the frequency of small children’s temper tantrums, maybe you should contact the top child psychologist in the nation to inform them of this fact? I started taking a pro-active approach.  I told they were not acceptable, and that he was going to have to stop doing them.

 So what leads you to believe that he had not recently gained the emotional maturity to connect his tantrum with your decree?  Just sending him to his room was not enough.  I could not send him to his room when he would have them in pre-school, or in Kindergarten or in grade 1.   There were consequences and denial of privileges, the whole gammit of negative consequences.

 And none of the reprimands worked up to that point. So why would one more reprimand of a negative consequence change anything?

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 If you have him sequestered in his room during the tantrum, you just controlled him.

 You’re the queen of denying the obvious. No, that is not controlling him,

 Sure you are, and that’s good.  the tantrum is still happening,  Yes. Obviously. the child is not under control.

 Sure he is. He may not be in control of himself, but you’re taking care of him until he feels better.  He is still kicking, and screaming.  That’s why it’s called a temper tantrum. There is no control.

 Sure there is. You put him in his room. You’re taking control. He is just sequestered.  You want to get the child to control himself, so he doesn’t have a screaming fit at home or in public because he is disgruntled or out of sorts.

 Yes, isn’t that the point? To truely overcome and control tantrums is when you get the child to stop having them.

 Studies indicate that temper tantrum stop by themselves once the child has matured a little. It’s not something that other people can control so far as the child not having a tantrum. To get the child to see that it is alright to be mad, sad, tired or hungry, but it is not alright to scream, kick or throw things.

 Most people learn that. Some don’t.

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My newly 4 year old son displays so much frustration that I can’t seem to get him to calm down at times.  Any suggestions for techniques to help deal with the problem?

I don’t know if this will help.  My daughter was older when she had her first and only tantrum.  I stayed in the same room with her and basically ignored her till she was done.  I patiently had a conversation with her brother.  If she tried to leave the room (I think she did only once)  I told her she had to stay where she was till she was calm and could talk with us.  She sat on the floor wailing for a good 40 minutes.  Thank goodness for tylenol.   Once I knew she was ok, and was in fact just having a temper tantrum I made no attempts to pacify her in any way.  Since it has never happened again it worked for us. Good luck

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 If you have him sequestered in his room during the tantrum, you just controlled him.  You’re the queen of denying the obvious.

Well Elaine, please don’t start or even hint at name calling because I won’t respond to it or start name calling back.  I don’t do these name games. I find them somewhat immature. No, that is not controlling him,  Sure you are, and that’s good.

You are not controlling the child, you are controlling the environment.  Even the most basic psychology books differentiate the two.  Please stop confusing what you are controlling.   Some temper tantrums do not always take place at home, so this is not the best solution.  Sequestering child to his room only addresses the short term solution of not watching or listening to child go through a tantrum, it does not control the tantrum.  You cannot stop a tantrum any more than you can stop the wind or rain during a hurricane.  You have to address the long term solution of getting the child to handle his anger. the child is not under control.  Sure he is. He may not be in control of himself, but you’re taking care of him until he feels better.

Well you said right there….he is not in control of himself….and neither is the parent in control until you can reason with the child and try to get child to handle his anger.  Of course, you can take care of him until he feels better, but like I said before some tantrums take place in school or in a public place. The solution of placing the child in his room will not defer any future tantrums. There is no control.  Sure there is. You put him in his room. You’re taking control.

The problem does not lie with the parent having a temper tantrum, it lies with how the child is dealing with his anger.  Whether the child is having a tantrum in the kitchen, living room, or his bedroom makes no difference.  It is not the control of the parent that is the problem, it is the child’s self-control or lack of it that is the problem. He is just sequestered.  You want to get the child to control himself, so he doesn’t have a screaming fit at home or in public because he is disgruntled or out of sorts.  Yes, isn’t that the point?

For a short term solution, so you don’t have to listen and watch a child going through a tantrm, it is the best thing to put him in his room. I have never denied this.  But it is not the long term solution as to how to get him to deal with his anger. To truely overcome and control tantrums is when you get the child to stop having them.  Studies indicate that temper tantrum stop by themselves once the child has matured a little. It’s not something that other people can control so far as the child not having a tantrum.

Studies, schmudies.  I have gone through 4 yrs of temper tantrums and in denial that child will outgrow temper tantrums, and the solution of putting him in his room.  For some children maybe it will happen.  For others, like me, it didn’t. When I stopped accepting my son’s tantrums as being the norm, the tantrums decreased in number.  I started taking a pro-active approach.  I told they were not acceptable, and that he was going to have to stop doing them.  Just sending him to his room was not enough.  I could not send him to his room when he would have them in pre-school, or in Kindergarten or in grade 1.   There were consequences and denial of privileges, the whole gammit of negative consequences. To get the child to see that it is alright to be mad, sad, tired or hungry, but it is not alright to scream, kick or throw things.  Most people learn that. Some don’t.

The some that don’t maybe were never taught that, so they never could learn. Jennifer

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 If you have him sequestered in his room during the tantrum, you just controlled him.

No, that is not controlling him, the tantrum is still happening, the child is not under control. He is still kicking, and screaming. There is no control. He is just sequestered.  You want to get the child to control himself, so he doesn’t have a screaming fit at home or in public because he is disgruntled or out of sorts.To truely overcome and control tantrums is when you get the child to stop having them.  To get the child to see that it is alright to be mad, sad, tired or hungry, but it is not alright to scream, kick or throw things.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  You are taking this person at their word that the child becomes completely uncontrollable when angry. I don’t believe that. Well I can only conclude that you have no experience with temper tantrums from the above statement.  That is what a temper tantrum is all about.  A child is completely uncontrollable, cannot be reasoned with, and cannot be calmed down as easy as someone talking to them.   I am certain that I know what I am talking about.  I would have never entered my son’s room when he was having one of his tantrums, unless I liked the sensation of Duplo blocks being bounced off my head!

 If you have him sequestered in his room during the tantrum, you just controlled him.

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I ran into the same problems with trying to help Jenny with her temper tantrums when she was younger.  She would not go in a time out (unless I physically restrained her which did nothing but make her worse).  Nor would she go to her room (without restraining her just like with time outs).  Trying to hold her (either lovingly or by restraining her in a time out) only infuriated her and escalated the situation with her trying to hit or bite me.  And when I tried ignoring her, she made her temper tantrums even stronger and louder – and could keep it up for over 30 minutes.  She was extremely strong willed at those times.  I was at a complete loss of what to do. Then I turned the whole thing around.  It seemed Jenny loved the attention she received with the tantrums (even while being ignored, she knew we could hear her or she would run up to me and hit me or otherwise involve me directly to ensure she had my attention).  So rather than try to stop the tantrums, I "helped" her to have them.  I "coached" her on how to "improve" her tantrums by *calmly* offering her suggestions (hey, Jenny, maybe you should yell even louder – how about trying to kick your hands and feet around? – do you think you should cry a little harder?). The main thing was to remain *calm* – don’t smile, don’t be angry – just be very calm.  I didn’t yell at her nor did I show any sign of anger or distress.  I just calmly gave her suggestions and ideas of how to improve on her temper tantrum.  It pulled the rug right out from under her.  My behavior was so different from what she expected (the attention-getter wasn’t getting attention after all!) that she stopped her tantrums right in her tracks. After she calmed down from the tantrum, I could then calmly talk with her about what was upsetting her and how she could express her emotions and needs in a more effective way.  The key was to give her real ideas of how to express herself more appropriately that she could understand and agree to doing.  I gave her ideas of what to do and also what she could say.  After a while, she started joining in with her own ideas. Sometimes she even went as far as to demonstrate what she could do (she’d go into her room and hit her pillow talking about how she will do this next time or she’d recite a sentence that she could say).  I complimented her on her good thinking when she came up with her own ideas. I only had to "coach" her about 2 or 3 times to break the tantrum cycle with about 1 or 2 follow up episodes over the next couple of months. After that, when she began to start, I could calmly remind her of some of the better ways of expressing herself (would you like to go hit your pillow right now?).  She usually stormed out mad, but she still went to her room and hit that pillow.  She also learned how to talk with me (still angry or upset, but not screaming) when she was upset about something.  The whole process built on itself so that tantrums were quickly stopped even when we were out in public. I also was quick to compliment her when she did use her better methods of expressing herself.  I did my best to always let her know that I saw she was using her new skills and let her know how proud I was that she was growing up to be such a well behaved big girl (hitting her pillow is good behavior in my eyes).  This helped give her the attention she was wanting in the first place which helped to reinforce the preferred behavior. I have never heard of anyone doing this, and some may find the idea very strange.  But it changed a 6 month tantrum cycle in just a week or so. It also allowed me to remain completely calm and work with Jenny and her need to express her emotions rather than just punish her.  It was what worked for her. Take Care! Vicki Surratt Proud Mom of Kathy (just turned 6) and Jenny (9)! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When my daughter was smaller she could throw some doosies too!  We tried picking her up and carrying her to her bed, the time out corner, somewhere away from the tantrum site.   That didn’t stop them.  We tried saying "Ok no videos"—-nope.  What we finally figured out was she was just looking for the reaction.  She was mad at us for something and so she threw a fit to upset us.  As soon as we started ignoring the fits and waiting for her to calm down and talk with us, they stopped happening. I would suggest you try that at home first.  It’s a lot easier to ignore the behavior (there is always something you can clean right?)  And the child will feel more secure at home.   Being ignored by Mom and Dad could be scary out in public. Good luck!! Sharon

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My newly 4 year old son displays so much frustration that I can’t seem to get him to calm down at times.  Any suggestions for techniques to help deal with the problem?  Time outs don’t work, quiet time doesn’t work, consequences don’t seem to affect him at all.  Please help. The best place to start trying to do anything about your son’s tantrums, is to figure out the cause.  Why? What difference does is make why someone has an emotion? I GUESS we could eliminate child abuse as to a cause of the child’s tantrums and frustrations. That would leave internal causes and his own interpretation of events.

Well, Elaine, I know that you don’t have children and I don’t know if you have yourself personally experienced what a temper tantrum is, but it is not just an emotion that can be compared to some children who become upset or frustrated.  I have myself dealt with a true temper tantrum, an outburst of rage and frustration together.  I did not say that the child could not have any emotions, just try to get the child to vent his emotion in other ways, other than screaming, yelling, and throwing objects.To figure out what might be triggering a child’s temper tantrum is the first step in teaching them that it is ok to cry or be upset, just not to go "off the deep end" so to speak.  You can help a child easier if they are just upset and can communicate with them, but you cannot help a child who is kicking, screaming or yelling. Is he a good communitcator, if he is having difficulty with his speech or anything like that?  Don’t we all sometimes?

Yes we do, but sometimes, a lack of communication between parent and child is one of the most frustrating experiences.  I never knew how badly my son was at speech until he was side by side with other children his age in school. Sometimes the obvious can be overlooked by any parent. Is it when he is tired or hungry?  Who DOESN’T get grumpy and testy when they’re tired and hungry? Low blood sugar alone will put people in bad moods.

Well it might help to figure out this one because, a parent could have supper 15 minutes or 1/2 hr earlier, thus eradicating that particular tantrum. Getting him to bed earlier would do the same thing.  Is it usually in a certain environment or is it all the time?  Nothing can be done to eliminate all anger making effects. There is always going to be something that makes us have feelings.

I never mentioned eliminating any emotions.  A parent might not recognize that one environment is overstimulating a child.  It is from the child’s point of view.  For example, my husband used to take my son to the supermarket.  Around the age of 2 1/2, my son’s tantrums became too much and my husband just couldn’t take him their any more.  Fortunately, my mother-in-law, moved into town and was able to baby-sit while my husband went shopping.  When I look back, I would have to guess that for some reason, the supermarket was too much for him, but today he no longer has a problem now with going there.  Also, how do you handle your own anger? I have a tempermental son, so I did look at myself to see how I handle my anger or expressed my anger.  It might be a case of "monkey see, monkey do".  Most of us learn to control our behavior when we are angry. That’s one of the advantages of starting life out small. If we are not yet able to control acting out, our parents can protect us from ourselves until the tantrum passes.

Some children do have be taught how to control themselves.  Some children (like my daughter) just are calmer, less influenced by external factors, have a higher level of tolerance, and don’t feel the rage within.  Teaching children on how to conduct themselves is one the most primary lessons that we do as parents or caregivers.  Our job is just not to water and house the children.  You are taking this person at their word that the child becomes completely uncontrollable when angry. I don’t believe that.

Well I can only conclude that you have no experience with temper tantrums from the above statement.  That is what a temper tantrum is all about.  A child is completely uncontrollable, cannot be reasoned with, and cannot be calmed down as easy as someone talking to them.   I am certain that I know what I am talking about.  I would have never entered my son’s room when he was having one of his tantrums, unless I liked the sensation of Duplo blocks being bounced off my head!  Your recommendations about handling the tantrum do sound very good though.

Thank you, I am glad that you had something positive to say. Jennifer

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My son (he’ll be 4 in May) has some terrific tantrums. I have found that when he is having one, the best way to help him calm down is to take him into a dark room (window shades pulled down, lights off), hold him very tightly & whisper to him "SHHHH, it’s okay". Another technique that sometimes works is to look him in the eye, tell him to take a deep breath & count to 10. They say that temper tantrums are still perfectly normal for 3 and 4 year olds, but if you are worried, I’d talk to his pediatrician. Good Luck Heidi

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My newly 4 year old son displays so much frustration that I can’t seem to get him to calm down at times.  Any suggestions for techniques to help deal with the problem?  Time outs don’t work, quiet time doesn’t work, consequences don’t seem to affect him at all.  Please help. The best place to start trying to do anything about your son’s tantrums, is to figure out the cause.

 Why? What difference does is make why someone has an emotion? I GUESS we could eliminate child abuse as to a cause of the child’s tantrums and frustrations. That would leave internal causes and his own interpretation of events. Is he a good communitcator, if he is having difficulty with his speech or anything like that?

 Don’t we all sometimes? Is it when he is tired or hungry?

 Who DOESN’T get grumpy and testy when they’re tired and hungry? Low blood sugar alone will put people in bad moods.  Is it usually in a certain environment or is it all the time?

 Nothing can be done to eliminate all anger making effects. There is always going to be something that makes us have feelings.  Also, how do you handle your own anger? I have a tempermental son, so I did look at myself to see how I handle my anger or expressed my anger.  It might be a case of "monkey see, monkey do".

 Most of us learn to control our behavior when we are angry. That’s one of the advantages of starting life out small. If we are not yet able to control acting out, our parents can protect us from ourselves until the tantrum passes.  You are taking this person at their word that the child becomes completely uncontrollable when angry. I don’t believe that.  Your recommendations about handling the tantrum do sound very good though. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Techniques that I have used to calm my own son down have been varied.  It took me a while to learn, but do not try to discpiline your son when the tantrum is taking place. Remove him from the general area, and if you are at home, let the tantrum continue in his room, if you are in public, get to your car, or a washroom. You cannot stop the tantrum while it is in progress, you have to wait until the "storm" is done before the cleanup can be done.  After the tantrum is done, you can then do your discipline.   I am not talking about corporal punishment, during the tantrum or after, I have found that it doesn’t work.  You can then talk to your son and explain that his tantrums will not be acceptable any more. Then you can give the consequences for his outburst.  Whether it is taking away TV privileges or taking away certain toys or time out in his bedroom for 15 min or 1/2 (use a timer for this). Let him know that in the future that his tantrums are not going to work and when he has them, there will be consequences.  Don’t get mad when he is having his tantrum (I know this is very hard),  because it just feeds into his anger. Be as matter of fact as possible and like I said punishment comes after the tantrum is finished, not during. But try to find the source of the temper tantrums.  You stated that he is your new 4 yr old son.  It could be he is "testing" you, or trying to push your buttons.  Try to look at the situation objectively.  Remember he is just a little boy and doesn’t know too many ways to get attention or know how to vent properly. Also, take him to his doctor and get him a physical. Tell the doc what has been happening.  Maybe there might be further testing that is necessary. Good Luck Jennifer

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When my daughter was smaller she could throw some doosies too!  We tried picking her up and carrying her to her bed, the time out corner, somewhere away from the tantrum site.   That didn’t stop them.  We tried saying "Ok no videos"—-nope.  What we finally figured out was she was just looking for the reaction.  She was mad at us for something and so she threw a fit to upset us.  As soon as we started ignoring the fits and waiting for her to calm down and talk with us, they stopped happening. I would suggest you try that at home first.  It’s a lot easier to ignore the behavior (there is always something you can clean right?)  And the child will feel more secure at home.   Being ignored by Mom and Dad could be scary out in public. Good luck!! Sharon

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I find if I calmly talk to my son (almost 4 yo) very calmly, it always works.  We go through a nightly tantrum when it is time to pick up his toys.  He doesn’t do it the first few times I ask him to, so I turn his tv off.  At this point, he starts crying hysterically.  So I sit down with him and calmly say, "All you have to do is clean your room and I will gladly turn your tv on."  He still cries, but it’s not as hysterical and his room gets cleaned. Leslie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My newly 4 year old son displays so much frustration that I can’t seem to get him to calm down at times.  Any suggestions for techniques to help deal with the problem?  Time outs don’t work, quiet time doesn’t work, consequences don’t seem to affect him at all.  Please help.

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My newly 4 year old son displays so much frustration that I can’t seem to get him to calm down at times.  Any suggestions for techniques to help deal with the problem?  Time outs don’t work, quiet time doesn’t work, consequences don’t seem to affect him at all.  Please help.

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My newly 4 year old son displays so much frustration that I can’t seem to get him to calm down at times.  Any suggestions for techniques to help deal with the problem?  Time outs don’t work, quiet time doesn’t work, consequences don’t seem to affect him at all.  Please help.

Where is his frustration coming from?  Is it becasue of something going on inside of him or from a more concrete matter. ‘lil kathi

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My newly 4 year old son displays so much frustration that I can’t seem to get him to calm down at times.  Any suggestions for techniques to help deal with the problem?  Time outs don’t work, quiet time doesn’t work,

 What do you mean "time outs and quiet time don’t work"? All emotions pass in time. If he’s confined during the time of a tantrum, it will pass. consequences don’t seem to affect him at all.  Please help.

 Ah well… He feels as he feels.  Many four year olds are mentally incapable of considering consequences of rage. This is also true of many adults, if you think about it.  Other adults use passive aggressive expressions that in the end can be as bad as exploding directly. Yet, if someone does lose it, they’re invariably sorry afterwards if they go too far.  It seems reasonable for you to find a way to confine him until his tantrum passes. It will. Maybe just not as quickly as you hope that it will. He’s still just four, and should not be that hard to control physically if that’s what is required.

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My newly 4 year old son displays so much frustration that I can’t seem to get him to calm down at times.  Any suggestions for techniques to help deal with the problem?  Time outs don’t work, quiet time doesn’t work, consequences don’t seem to affect him at all.  Please help.

The best place to start trying to do anything about your son’s tantrums, is to figure out the cause.  Is he a good communitcator, if he is having difficulty with his speech or anything like that? Is it when he is tired or hungry?  Is it usually in a certain environment or is it all the time?  Also, how do you handle your own anger? I have a tempermental son, so I did look at myself to see how I handle my anger or expressed my anger.  It might be a case of "monkey see, monkey do". Techniques that I have used to calm my own son down have been varied.  It took me a while to learn, but do not try to discpiline your son when the tantrum is taking place. Remove him from the general area, and if you are at home, let the tantrum continue in his room, if you are in public, get to your car, or a washroom. You cannot stop the tantrum while it is in progress, you have to wait until the "storm" is done before the cleanup can be done.  After the tantrum is done, you can then do your discipline.   I am not talking about corporal punishment, during the tantrum or after, I have found that it doesn’t work.  You can then talk to your son and explain that his tantrums will not be acceptable any more.  Then you can give the consequences for his outburst.  Whether it is taking away TV privileges or taking away certain toys or time out in his bedroom for 15 min or 1/2 (use a timer for this). Let him know that in the future that his tantrums are not going to work and when he has them, there will be consequences.  Don’t get mad when he is having his tantrum (I know this is very hard),  because it just feeds into his anger. Be as matter of fact as possible and like I said punishment comes after the tantrum is finished, not during. But try to find the source of the temper tantrums.  You stated that he is your new 4 yr old son.  It could be he is "testing" you, or trying to push your buttons.  Try to look at the situation objectively.  Remember he is just a little boy and doesn’t know too many ways to get attention or know how to vent properly. Also, take him to his doctor and get him a physical. Tell the doc what has been happening.  Maybe there might be further testing that is necessary. Good Luck Jennifer

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dog misbehaves in strong wind!!

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Usually we can go for a fairly sane walk with our 14 week old caucasian mountain dog but in strong winds i am guessing the scents overwhelm her and she goes absolutely crazy.. neone know for sure if this could be so? also if you might have any positive reinforcement training tips to overcome this id greatly appreciate it .. im tired of having to pick her up or stop walking all together cause it’s could now don’t get me wrong i am willing to keep doing these things if they are the only things that can help but there has to be something better … P.S. Puppy obedience school starts in a few weeks the one recommended was closed for a bit….such good recommendations (Vet and Humane society) and price i didnt want to start her newhere else…

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All the domestic animals I have known have gone slightly wierd in a wind — whether they are out in it or inside. The phrase "getting the wind up" might come from this, dunno. But a wind is invigorating, even to us. Jane Webb M&M Pie

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Usually we can go for a fairly sane walk with our 14 week old caucasian mountain dog but in strong winds i am guessing the scents overwhelm her and she goes absolutely crazy.. neone know for sure if this could be so? also if you might have any positive reinforcement training tips to overcome this id greatly appreciate it .. im tired of having to pick her up or stop walking all together cause it’s could now don’t get me wrong i am willing to keep doing these things if they are the only things that can help but there has to be something better … P.S. Puppy obedience school starts in a few weeks the one recommended was closed for a bit….such good recommendations (Vet and Humane society) and price i didnt want to start her newhere else…

For starters, don’t try to soothe her by sweettalking or petting… That is interpreted by dogs as a reward, as praise, and they connect that praise with their behavior and are then more likely to repeat the behavior in the future, trying to get the praise. On the other hand, she’s much too young for a correction, and it’s also not fair to correct her for not walking properly when she’s too young to have learned a proper walk.  I would start a few things.  First, teach her to not strain against the leash by giving her slight pops and saying "with me" or "easy" or whatever command you wish to use to mean "Walk nicely with me but don’t be in a perfect heel position." Supplement the pops with suddenly turning and walking the other direction.  You don’t want to freak her out at this age, so maybe carry a squeeky toy and encourage her to follow you with the toy.  When she gets older you can insist on her following you and paying attention by giving stronger collar pops.  But now you are right to want to stick to mostly positive reinforcement. The point of having a command for a good walk is so that you have something to use for her to earn positive reinforcement when she goes nuts when the wind kicks up.  It’s not very effective to just apply positive reinforcement for something as non-specific as "not acting crazy"… You need to find a specific behavior that is incompatible with the acting crazy behavior, and show her that you like it when she exhibits that behavior by praising her for it and giving her treat for it. Then when the time comes that she’d want to go nuts, give her the command for the behavior.  Then she’ll have a choice; she can go nuts and not get the reward, or she can obey you and get the reward and not go nuts, since obeying you is incompatible with the going nuts behavior. The sit command is a good one for this too, but if you are out on a walk, a "walk nice" command is better because it allows you to keep moving. You won’t have to stop and give her the sit command each time she starts to freak out.  But you should start working on sit now, with treats.   Keep in mind that you have what will be a very strong dog, and that it is critical that you learn to get her attention focused on you and on your commands now, before she gets unmanagable.  I would not recommend carrying her around at all, simply because you lose an opportunity to train by doing that.   You can also work on her reaction to the wind without going for a walk.  Just sitting outside with her on a leash and waiting for the wind, and then saying nothing when it happens, will help desensitize her.  Don’t soothe her; just be calm and confident yourself.  Be sure to work on the sit ASAP, and then you can use that when you are sitting out in the wind.  Get her focus with a treat and hold the treat up over her nose and say "sit".  Let her nibble a treat out of your hand slowly while the wind is blowing; that will help her learn that other things can go on that are nice during the wind.  Of course, if she starts to go nuts, don’t give her any treat, but if she will stand somewhat still and nibble during the wind, that should help a bit. I don’t know why she gets like that during the wind, but I would think that the difference in smells is not that great for a dog compared to when the wind doesn’t blow.  I would think it more likely that she just doesn’t like the feel of all her fur being ruffled, or the sound of the trees and other stuff moving during the wind, or even the sight of branchs moving… ???  My Teddy is getting better, but typically he goes bonkers when branches move.   take care, Daisy

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senior project

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        I’m looking for a senior project. I will be acting.

It’s been a while since I read or saw it, but Ann Jellicoe’s "The Knack" is interesting.  Written in rhythms.  And the female in the cast, while conceived as pudgy, can be played thin.  Mainly, she’s a bit eccentric.  And God knows the play has a pedigree.  I directed a production of it some years ago, and it was a big success.  Black comedy, edgy stuff….. The story revolves around these three guys who share an apartment, and into their midst comes this girl.  One of the guys is a Romeo of sorts and proceeds to teach the resident nerd how to seduce her.  The other guy is, of course, the one she winds up with.  Anyway, she runs circles around them all. The play was written back in the 1960’s, is frequently spoken of in the same breath as "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern."  How ’bout that by the way?  "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern?"  No reason why men have to always play those roles.  I’ve seen women do them in my class, and they worked just fine.  Turnabout is fair play.  In Shakespeare’s day, there were no actresses.  No reason why actresses can’t boot the actors out of the play nowadays.<g Ed Hooks

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I posted this request at the end of last year but then lost my newsgroup access over the summer… so, if this looks familiar, sorry… answer again if you can.         I’m looking for a senior project. I will be acting. My advisor and director are dependent on which play I pick so… I can’t ask them for advice as they do not exist yet.         These are my preferences/requirements:         1) It MUST have a good central female role for me to play. I prefer to play in my approximate age range (late teens to mid twenties). I’m also on the petite side… so no "Amazon Woman Sex-Goddess" type roles. hehe.         2) I would like a medium sized cast. 5-7 roles would be ideal.         3) I’m looking for a COMEDY         4) Looking for non-naturalistic language (a la Mac Wellman) so no Neil Simon. Durang is over-done at my school so I’d prefer to stay away from it.         5) While I’d prefer something that hasn’t been done to death- I do need to write an essay so the role should have *some* performance history for me to research. So, if you wrote a script you want me to read, well… I’d love to- but not for my senior project. Thank you for any advice… I have been reading and reading but I still haven’t found the right one. Please e-mail and post if convenient… I will be checking the newsgroup but my server doesn’t seem to get every post.                         – candace

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