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Scientific progress would have been retarded without the discoveries of Isaac Newton

Oh puleeeese!  What a crock! Try to hijack another one. William R. James —

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Gay Pride: Contributions of gays and lesbians It is difficult to envision and recognize a civilized world without the contributions of gays and lesbians. Here is a look at what the world might have been like if it had never included people who were homosexual or had a significant homosexual relationship in life. African-Americans might have struggled longer before receiving civil rights because there would have been no Bayard Rustin, the gay man who organized the 1963 March on Washington. This was the march where Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., made his famous "I Have a Dream" speech. President Gerald Ford might have died in 1975 because a gay ex-marine Oliver "Bill" Sipple would not have been alive to push away the gun of an assassin in San Francisco. The United States, Britain, and the other Allies might have lost World War II because Alan Turing, a gay British mathematician, would never have been born. Turing broke one of the Nazis’ most important codes to help shorten the war. Religious life would have been lessened without the Christian voices of Malcolm Boyd,Troy Perry, Jane Spahr or John McNeil. Christians would also have a difficult time conceiving the New Testament without the scholarship skills of Desiderius Erasmus (the basis for the Tyndale and King James Versions). Scientific progress would have been retarded without the discoveries of Isaac Newton Our musical world would have been impoverished because gay American composer Aaron Copeland would have never been born. Russian composer Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky would not have existed, neither would have Leonard Bernstein,English composer Benjamin Britten, or singers Bessie Smith, Melissa Etheridge, Joan Baez, Boy George, George Michael or Elton John. Katherine Bates would have never written "America the Beautiful." We would have also missed the folk songs of Stephen Foster or the clever compositions of Cole Porter. We would never have listened to the "Sweetheart of Sigma Chi" or "I Left My Heart in San Francisco" — both were written by gay men to their lovers (in both cases, publishers demanded that gender pronouns be switched). Western art would look very different because neither Michelangelo nor Leonardo da Vinci would have been around. And of course, we would have missed Plato and a woman Plato honored with respect as the "tenth muse" — Sappho. The Disney movie hits "The Little Mermaid" and "Beauty and the Beast" would have been much duller because Howard Ashman would not have been alive to write their Academy Award winning songs. Or imagine "Star Wars" or "Schindler’s List" without the scores of John Williams. Literature would have been lessened because many authors would never have been born,including Pulitzer Prize winning poet W.H. Auden, Nobel Prize winning author Patrick White of Australia, E.M. Forster, Christopher Isherwood, Somerset Maugham, Virginia Woolf, Willa Cather, Gertrude Stein, William Shakespeare and Walt Whitman. And also influential french writers like Marcel Proust, Jean Cocteau, Paul Verlaine, Arthur Rimbaud, Andre Gide, Colette, Henri de Montherlant, etc. Movie theatres would have been duller: no Rock Hudson, Richard Chamberlain, Keanu Reeves, Raymond Burr (Perry Mason), James Dean, Cary Grant, Jodie Foster, Marlene Dietrich or Montgomery Clift. Actually many of the most important plays of the american stage would never have been written because gay playwright Tennessee Williams would not have existed. We would have also missed the plays of Edward Albee or the brilliant acting of Sir Laurence Olivier. Who else would have been missing? Sports stars like Martina Navratilova or Greg Louganis or Brian Orser would be gone. There are also many famous people who are bisexual. Examples are: Madonna, Joan Collins, Sharon Stone, Tom Selleck, Leonardo di Caprio, Tyrone Power and perhaps Whitney Houston, Burt Reynolds, Richard Gere and Tom Cruise. The list of people who have had significant same-gender relationships is very long and includes also Socrates, King Richard the Lion Hearted, Queen Christina of Sweden, Nathaly Barney, Liane de Pougy, Eleanor Roosevelt and so many more. Adapted from Diane Silver’s "The New Civil War." 1997.

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Gay Pride: Contributions of gays and lesbians Scientific progress would have been retarded without the discoveries of Isaac Newton

So you’re trying to teach us the value of gay people by pointing out that one of them invented Calculus? Frankly, it doesn’t matter to me whether gay people have invented perpetual motion machines or worked on nothing but assembly line machines.  They’re people, period, and I treat them as such, on a person by person basis. Greg. — alt.atheism atheist #911, BAAWA Knight "I’d worship Satan, but I’m going to hell anyway,  so why bother?." EAC Homepage:  http://eac.home.dhs.org

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: Leonardo swung both ways too…  as did a few others.  Melissa isn’t so : bad, I almost like a couple of songs, actually, and Boy was amusing for : his clothes, if nothing else. He also has an amazing voice. :  Funny thing was that I knew a whole bunch : of girls in high school in the early 80’s that had massive crushes on : him…  those of us in our "more mature" 20’s thought it was a bit of a : hoot…  ;-)

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:    This is a good list and it is great to see such talent. :    I would pray the church does not look at gays as outcasts but as : those who need to be prayed for and counseled to come to Jesus. All of : these good deeds or works will not help one enter heaven. All of these : works will not make the position of homosexuality acceptable in the : sight of God not should it with the church. If the church is a biblical : church it will fight the sin while loving the sinner. : Terry Christendom will always treat gay people as untouchables, and gay people certainly fare better in post-Christian countries.  I don’t understand why any gay person would want to put up with this.

: : Gay Pride: Contributions of gays and lesbians : : It is difficult to envision and recognize a civilized world without the : contributions of gays and lesbians. : : Here is a look at what the world might have been like if it had never : included people who were homosexual or had a significant homosexual : relationship in life. : : African-Americans might have struggled longer before receiving civil rights : because there would have been no Bayard Rustin, the gay man who organized : the 1963 March on Washington. This was the march where Dr. Martin Luther : King, Jr., made his famous "I Have a Dream" speech. : : President Gerald Ford might have died in 1975 because a gay ex-marine : Oliver "Bill" Sipple would not have been alive to push away the gun of an : assassin in San Francisco. : : The United States, Britain, and the other Allies might have lost World War : II because Alan Turing, a gay British mathematician, would never have been : born. Turing broke one of the Nazis’ most important codes to help shorten : the war. : : Religious life would have been lessened without the Christian voices of : Malcolm Boyd,Troy Perry, Jane Spahr or John McNeil. Christians would also : have a difficult time conceiving the New Testament without the scholarship : skills of Desiderius Erasmus (the basis for the Tyndale and King James : Versions). : : Scientific progress would have been retarded without the discoveries of : Isaac Newton : : Our musical world would have been impoverished because gay American : composer Aaron Copeland would have never been born. Russian composer Peter : Ilyich Tchaikovsky would not have existed, neither would have Leonard : Bernstein,English composer Benjamin Britten, or singers Bessie Smith, : Melissa Etheridge, Boy George, George Michael or Elton John. Katherine Bates : would have never written "America the Beautiful." We would have also missed : the folk songs of Stephen Foster or the clever compositions of Cole Porter. : : We would never have listened to the "Sweetheart of Sigma Chi" or "I Left My : Heart in San Francisco" — both were written by gay men to their lovers (in : both cases, publishers demanded that gender pronouns be switched). : : Western art would look very different because neither Michelangelo nor : Leonardo da Vinci would have been around. And of course, we would have : missed Plato and a woman Plato honored with respect as the "tenth muse" — : Sappho. : : The Disney movie hits "The Little Mermaid" and "Beauty and the Beast" would : have been much duller because Howard Ashman would not have been alive to : write their Academy Award winning songs. Or imagine "Star Wars" or : "Schindler’s List" without the scores of John Williams. : : Literature would have been lessened because many authors would never have : been born,including Pulitzer Prize winning poet W.H. Auden, Nobel Prize : winning author Patrick White of Australia, E.M. Forster, Virginia Woolf, : Willa Cather, Gertrude Stein, William Shakespeare and Walt Whitman. And also : influential french writers like Marcel Proust, Jean Cocteau, Paul Verlaine, : Arthur Rimbaud, Henri de Montherlant, etc. : : Movie theatres would have been duller: no Rock Hudson, Richard Chamberlain, : Keanu Reeves, Raymond Burr (Perry Mason), James Dean, Cary Grant, Jodie : Foster, Marlene Dietrich or Montgomery Clift. Actually many of the most : important plays of the american stage would never have been written because : gay playwright Tennessee Williams would not have existed. We would have also : missed the plays of Edward Albee or the brilliant acting of Sir Laurence : Olivier. : : Who else would have been missing? Sports stars like Martina Navratilova or : Greg Louganis or Brian Orser would be gone. : : There are also many famous people who are bisexual. Examples are: Madonna, : Joan Collins, Sharon Stone, Tom Selleck, Leonardo di Caprio, Tyrone Power : and perhaps Whitney Houston, Burt Reynolds, Richard Gere and Tom Cruise. : : The list of people who have had significant same-gender relationships is : very long and includes also Socrates, King Richard the Lion Hearted, Queen : Christina of Sweden, Eleanor Roosevelt and so many more. : : Adapted from Diane Silver’s "The New Civil War." 1997.

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Lenny Bernstein was bisex. I could get along very well without Melissa Etheridge & Boy George. Other than that, it’s a great list.

Q: What do you call twenty heavily-armed lesbians all in a row? A: Militia Etheridge Before you buy.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gay Pride: Contributions of gays and lesbians It is difficult to envision and recognize a civilized world without the contributions of gays and lesbians. Here is a look at what the world might have been like if it had never included people who were homosexual or had a significant homosexual relationship in life. African-Americans might have struggled longer before receiving civil rights because there would have been no Bayard Rustin, the gay man who organized the 1963 March on Washington. This was the march where Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., made his famous "I Have a Dream" speech. President Gerald Ford might have died in 1975 because a gay ex-marine Oliver "Bill" Sipple would not have been alive to push away the gun of an assassin in San Francisco. The United States, Britain, and the other Allies might have lost World War II because Alan Turing, a gay British mathematician, would never have been born. Turing broke one of the Nazis’ most important codes to help shorten the war. Religious life would have been lessened without the Christian voices of Malcolm Boyd,Troy Perry, Jane Spahr or John McNeil. Christians would also have a difficult time conceiving the New Testament without the scholarship skills of Desiderius Erasmus (the basis for the Tyndale and King James Versions). Scientific progress would have been retarded without the discoveries of Isaac Newton Our musical world would have been impoverished because gay American composer Aaron Copeland would have never been born. Russian composer Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky would not have existed, neither would have Leonard Bernstein,English composer Benjamin Britten, or singers Bessie Smith, Melissa Etheridge, Boy George, George Michael or Elton John. Katherine Bates would have never written "America the Beautiful." We would have also missed the folk songs of Stephen Foster or the clever compositions of Cole Porter. We would never have listened to the "Sweetheart of Sigma Chi" or "I Left My Heart in San Francisco" — both were written by gay men to their lovers (in both cases, publishers demanded that gender pronouns be switched). Western art would look very different because neither Michelangelo nor Leonardo da Vinci would have been around. And of course, we would have missed Plato and a woman Plato honored with respect as the "tenth muse" — Sappho. The Disney movie hits "The Little Mermaid" and "Beauty and the Beast" would have been much duller because Howard Ashman would not have been alive to write their Academy Award winning songs. Or imagine "Star Wars" or "Schindler’s List" without the scores of John Williams. Literature would have been lessened because many authors would never have been born,including Pulitzer Prize winning poet W.H. Auden, Nobel Prize winning author Patrick White of Australia, E.M. Forster, Virginia Woolf, Willa Cather, Gertrude Stein, William Shakespeare and Walt Whitman. And also influential french writers like Marcel Proust, Jean Cocteau, Paul Verlaine, Arthur Rimbaud, Henri de Montherlant, etc. Movie theatres would have been duller: no Rock Hudson, Richard Chamberlain, Keanu Reeves, Raymond Burr (Perry Mason), James Dean, Cary Grant, Jodie Foster, Marlene Dietrich or Montgomery Clift. Actually many of the most important plays of the american stage would never have been written because gay playwright Tennessee Williams would not have existed. We would have also missed the plays of Edward Albee or the brilliant acting of Sir Laurence Olivier. Who else would have been missing? Sports stars like Martina Navratilova or Greg Louganis or Brian Orser would be gone. There are also many famous people who are bisexual. Examples are: Madonna, Joan Collins, Sharon Stone, Tom Selleck, Leonardo di Caprio, Tyrone Power and perhaps Whitney Houston, Burt Reynolds, Richard Gere and Tom Cruise. The list of people who have had significant same-gender relationships is very long and includes also Socrates, King Richard the Lion Hearted, Queen Christina of Sweden, Eleanor Roosevelt and so many more. Adapted from Diane Silver’s "The New Civil War." 1997.

while i do support gay rights fully, and i know that gay people have done a lot in the world, i must point out that many of the people that you mentioned here were not gay, and are just rumored to be gay, like keauna reeeves. and plato was not gay. — How do you eat soup in the Matrix?

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without getting into an e-shouting match… i think and choose every time i act or do not act on an impulse, a proclivity, a desire, or a need.  As to my personal choices, they are just that, personal choices.  i am no more than human, moral, and flawed.  i have not always thought through the choices and understand how those choices in some are arguably considered more of a physical necessity of person or identity,  i see the point, i do not give blanket agreement.

Nor are you able to answer the question. Thomas P.

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Gay Pride: Contributions of gays and lesbians It is difficult to envision and recognize a civilized world without the contributions of gays and lesbians. I bet the sun would rise in the east. I bet there wouldn’t be anyone whining about what perverts have done. wouldn’t it be nice to have a world without perverts?

Do you mean people full of hate for no good reason?  A world without them would be nice. Thomas P.

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– To be a gay is not a sin. To practice sodomy is. Sodom and Gomorrah was – destroyed precisely because of the this practice among others. – ( I am posting this from alt.religion. With MANY apologies to all the non-relgious groups this is being crossposted to!) You’re absolutely right, it is NOT a sin. "To practice sodomy" is inded a sin, but I got a strong feeling that you have no idea what the "Sin ff Sodom" was/is. Not the dictionary defintion, if you please, but what the Bible says through it’s various references,  says the sin of Sodom was. This is what the Bible says that  GOD says the sin of sodom was/is: Ezekiel 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: pride, fullness of bread, and prosperous ease was in her and in her daughters; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good. – So if you are the least bit honest, I suggest/challenge that you: 1) Do a "word search" on the occasions that the word sodom appears in the Bible. All you need is good concordance to this. 2) Compare the "story of  Sodom" to a tale in Judges 19. 3) Consider the stoy of Jonathan and David. ( "I am distressed for thee, my brother Johnathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of woman." Second Samuel, Chap.1:26  ) Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I’m Gay http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Heights/1734 – Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches http://www.ufmcc.com Every 3.6 seconds a real person dies from hunger somewhere in the world!!! Feed a hungry person today: http://www.hungersite.com To send e-mail, remove nohate from address

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]   This is a good list and it is great to see such talent. ]   I would pray the church does not look at gays as outcasts but as ]those who need to be prayed for and counseled to come to Jesus. Ummm, Terry, many gays *are* of the christian brand superstition. ] All of these good deeds or works will not help one enter heaven. Your tome also says that it will.  It’s called a contradiction. ] All of these works will not make the position of homosexuality ]acceptable in the sight of God not should it with the church. Your imaginary buddy *made* homosexuals so it has nothing to bitch about. ] If the church is a biblical church it will fight the sin while ]loving the sinner. The church has a long history of torture, genocide, and destruction. Only the brain-dead would call that ‘love.’ One of the current front runners to be the replacement Pope module would resurrect the old ‘loving’ practices.  This includes (cough) ‘heresy.’ ]Terry Stoney

] ] Gay Pride: Contributions of gays and lesbians ] ] It is difficult to envision and recognize a civilized world without the ] contributions of gays and lesbians. ] ] Here is a look at what the world might have been like if it had never ] included people who were homosexual or had a significant homosexual ] relationship in life. ] ] African-Americans might have struggled longer before receiving civil rights ] because there would have been no Bayard Rustin, the gay man who organized ] the 1963 March on Washington. This was the march where Dr. Martin Luther ] King, Jr., made his famous "I Have a Dream" speech. ] ] President Gerald Ford might have died in 1975 because a gay ex-marine ] Oliver "Bill" Sipple would not have been alive to push away the gun of an ] assassin in San Francisco. ] ] The United States, Britain, and the other Allies might have lost World War ] II because Alan Turing, a gay British mathematician, would never have been ] born. Turing broke one of the Nazis’ most important codes to help shorten ] the war. ] ] Religious life would have been lessened without the Christian voices of ] Malcolm Boyd,Troy Perry, Jane Spahr or John McNeil. Christians would also ] have a difficult time conceiving the New Testament without the scholarship ] skills of Desiderius Erasmus (the basis for the Tyndale and King James ] Versions). ] ] Scientific progress would have been retarded without the discoveries of ] Isaac Newton ] ] Our musical world would have been impoverished because gay American ] composer Aaron Copeland would have never been born. Russian composer Peter ] Ilyich Tchaikovsky would not have existed, neither would have Leonard ] Bernstein,English composer Benjamin Britten, or singers Bessie Smith, ] Melissa Etheridge, Boy George, George Michael or Elton John. Katherine Bates ] would have never written "America the Beautiful." We would have also missed ] the folk songs of Stephen Foster or the clever compositions of Cole Porter. ] ] We would never have listened to the "Sweetheart of Sigma Chi" or "I Left My ] Heart in San Francisco" — both were written by gay men to their lovers (in ] both cases, publishers demanded that gender pronouns be switched). ] ] Western art would look very different because neither Michelangelo nor ] Leonardo da Vinci would have been around. And of course, we would have ] missed Plato and a woman Plato honored with respect as the "tenth muse" — ] Sappho. ] ] The Disney movie hits "The Little Mermaid" and "Beauty and the Beast" would ] have been much duller because Howard Ashman would not have been alive to ] write their Academy Award winning songs. Or imagine "Star Wars" or ] "Schindler’s List" without the scores of John Williams. ] ] Literature would have been lessened because many authors would never have ] been born,including Pulitzer Prize winning poet W.H. Auden, Nobel Prize ] winning author Patrick White of Australia, E.M. Forster, Virginia Woolf, ] Willa Cather, Gertrude Stein, William Shakespeare and Walt Whitman. And also ] influential french writers like Marcel Proust, Jean Cocteau, Paul Verlaine, ] Arthur Rimbaud, Henri de Montherlant, etc. ] ] Movie theatres would have been duller: no Rock Hudson, Richard Chamberlain, ] Keanu Reeves, Raymond Burr (Perry Mason), James Dean, Cary Grant, Jodie ] Foster, Marlene Dietrich or Montgomery Clift. Actually many of the most ] important plays of the american stage would never have been written because ] gay playwright Tennessee Williams would not have existed. We would have also ] missed the plays of Edward Albee or the brilliant acting of Sir Laurence ] Olivier. ] ] Who else would have been missing? Sports stars like Martina Navratilova or ] Greg Louganis or Brian Orser would be gone. ] ] There are also many famous people who are bisexual. Examples are: Madonna, ] Joan Collins, Sharon Stone, Tom Selleck, Leonardo di Caprio, Tyrone Power ] and perhaps Whitney Houston, Burt Reynolds, Richard Gere and Tom Cruise. ] ] The list of people who have had significant same-gender relationships is ] very long and includes also Socrates, King Richard the Lion Hearted, Queen ] Christina of Sweden, Eleanor Roosevelt and so many more. ] ] Adapted from Diane Silver’s "The New Civil War." 1997.

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without getting into an e-shouting match… i think and choose every time i act or do not act on an impulse, a proclivity, a desire, or a need.  As to my personal choices, they are just that, personal choices.  i am no more than human, moral, and flawed.  i have not always thought through the choices and understand how those choices in some are arguably considered more of a physical necessity of person or identity,  i see the point, i do not give blanket agreement.

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without getting into an e-shouting match… i think and choose every time i act or do not act on an impulse, a proclivity, a desire, or a need.  As to my personal choices, they are just that, personal choices.  i am no more than human, moral, and flawed.  i have not always thought through the choices and understand how those choices in some are arguably considered more of a physical necessity of person or identity,  i see the point, i do not give blanket agreement.

But when did you choose your sexuality? What were your other choices? D* Rosie O

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