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Pur recall – I saw the notice too

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Notice, please, that all these "two" said was that Pur couldn’t classify the filter as a "purifier".  Didn’t say nuthin’ about bacterial removal, which is all filters are really good for anyway. The complaints about hold time are reasonable to anyone familiar with filtration or heat sterilization (actually sanitization).  So what? Giardia, which is huge, is the main problem most places.  Bacteria rarely a problem in the States.  Viruses are a witch hunt. Filters in general may provide some help against these agents, but you really don’t know.  When was the last time you bubble pointed your filter system??? Dan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nah, he was anon from the start of it all.  Been posting venom about Pur since he first saw the recall, which by now seems to have been a very long time ago.  The first responses were polite, but then he kept going on and on and on and…   Really hysterical right from the start.  By now it’s turned into one of those subjects where a newbbie comes in and thinks the whole group is nuts, just because one person has taken it off on a fruit loop. But all the regulars do now know about it.   Really.  Trust me on this.  And I’m being very nice in going through this to yet another anon message on the subject.  So if you want to post on it again, come in under a real alias/user name, please.  Otherwise everyone will think you’re that* one.  And if you are that one, will you please just give it a rest? I saw the recall notice at a store. It said dealers should return their PUR purifiers to the manufacturer and that manufacturing of the purifiers has been halted at Pur while they test for its ability to kill viruses. So the fellow’s report is what I saw, also. It was dated August 8th or 9th as I recall but I just saw it last week. It had been faxed to the store, in the form of two sheets with detail. The store is "The Backpacker" here in Columbia, SC. Call them and I’m sure they’ll be happy to read it to you. They are very helpful there. Maybe the guy is anonymous because there is so much hostility to describing a simple recall. I’ll be anon here because I don’t need what I’ve seen handed out here recently. The guy was just giving you info on a purifier recall to the best of his memory from what he read in a store, as I read his post. —– rbc: vixen  (somewhat harmless) The Minnow Goddess, Speaker to squirrels, Protector of Bats. Dreadfully slow on replying to email. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Nah, he was anon from the start of it all.  Been posting venom about Pur since he first saw the recall, which by now seems to have been a very long time ago.  The first responses were polite, but then he kept going on and on and on and…   Really hysterical right from the start.  By now it’s turned into one of those subjects where a newbbie comes in and thinks the whole group is nuts, just because one person has taken it off on a fruit loop. But all the regulars do now know about it.   Really.  Trust me on this.  And I’m being very nice in going through this to yet another anon message on the subject.  So if you want to post on it again, come in under a real alias/user name, please.  Otherwise everyone will think you’re that* one.  And if you are that one, will you please just give it a rest? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I saw the recall notice at a store. It said dealers should return their PUR purifiers to the manufacturer and that manufacturing of the purifiers has been halted at Pur while they test for its ability to kill viruses. So the fellow’s report is what I saw, also. It was dated August 8th or 9th as I recall but I just saw it last week. It had been faxed to the store, in the form of two sheets with detail. The store is "The Backpacker" here in Columbia, SC. Call them and I’m sure they’ll be happy to read it to you. They are very helpful there. Maybe the guy is anonymous because there is so much hostility to describing a simple recall. I’ll be anon here because I don’t need what I’ve seen handed out here recently. The guy was just giving you info on a purifier recall to the best of his memory from what he read in a store, as I read his post.

—– rbc: vixen  (somewhat harmless) The Minnow Goddess, Speaker to squirrels, Protector of Bats. Dreadfully slow on replying to email. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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You can read the recall notice by going to: http://www.purwater.com/L3_out_pur_voy.shtml and then clicking on "Consumer Notice"

Very interesting.  A couple of years ago I wrote to both PUR and SweetWater asking them if speed of pumping mattered, and how their iodinated filters could kill viruses on contact, while "normal" iodine tablets and crystal treatments require the treated water to sit for around half an hour.  Since both PUR and SweetWater filters have charcoal elements following the iodine treatment which basically removes the iodine a fraction of a second after treatment, I didn’t understand how their filters could work. SweetWater basically said the proof was in the pudding — their filters passed the tests, so it worked.  I think SweetWater also mentioned that at that time (a couple of years ago) PUR’s filters had NOT passed the same tests.  At that time PUR said it didn’t make any difference how fast you pumped, the iodinated filter still killed on contact. Now I see that PUR has changed their story BIG TIME!!!  Now they’re recommending you pump no faster than 10 stokes per minute (that’s really slow) AND that you let the iodinated water sit for 20 minutes before pumping it through the StopTop to remove the iodine. Who can you believe?

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I always wonder how the labs can distinguish a live virus from a dead virus when they evaluate the effectiveness of purifiers.  Viruses are RNA’s wrapped in a protein coat and most are too small to be seen by even electron microscopes.  Just how do they tell a dead virus from a live virus?

You administor it to a host. A fictional dramatic example is found in Andromeda Strain. Recently there was a documentary on PBS about polio. This was an excellent example.  Ed Regis’ latest book on the Biology of Doom also covers examples.  Or some number of recent scare films (ignore the fast solutions at the end of the films). Viri ARE viewable by electron microscopes. Viroids are difficult to see, but not impossible. Of course human hosts are sometimes the most interesting. Oh that reminds me of a work message…. Gotta go.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know why there is such resistance to accepting such a non-controversial fact as a purifier recall. It the fact that Pur is in recall on those filters shouldn’t threaten anyone. Again thanks for the confirmation that possibly others will note. … "Fact?" There’s that word again. And the resistance is to you. There is no "fact" to resist. –Dook You can read the recall notice by going to: http://www.purwater.com/L3_out_pur_voy.shtml and then clicking on "Consumer Notice"

… I did click your link, and it does say what you quoted. Thanks for a credible, useful post. –Dook

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know why there is such resistance to accepting such a non-controversial fact as a purifier recall. It the fact that Pur is in recall on those filters shouldn’t threaten anyone. Again thanks for the confirmation that possibly others will note. … "Fact?" There’s that word again. And the resistance is to you. There is no "fact" to resist. –Dook You can read the recall notice by going to: http://www.purwater.com/L3_out_pur_voy.shtml and then clicking on "Consumer Notice" Here is what it says: CONSUMER NOTICE This is to advise you of a potential problem with the Stop Top accessory Stop Top Cartridge that comes packaged with the PUR Voyageur, Scout and Explorer water purifiers.

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Thanks.  Very useful information. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know why there is such resistance to accepting such a non-controversial fact as a purifier recall. It the fact that Pur is in recall on those filters shouldn’t threaten anyone. Again thanks for the confirmation that possibly others will note. … "Fact?" There’s that word again. And the resistance is to you. There is no "fact" to resist. –Dook You can read the recall notice by going to: http://www.purwater.com/L3_out_pur_voy.shtml and then clicking on "Consumer Notice" … I did click your link, and it does say what you quoted. Thanks for a credible, useful post. –Dook

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You can read the recall notice by going to: http://www.purwater.com/L3_out_pur_voy.shtml and then clicking on "Consumer Notice" Very interesting.  A couple of years ago I wrote to both PUR and SweetWater asking them if speed of pumping mattered, and how their iodinated filters could kill viruses on contact, while "normal" iodine tablets and crystal treatments require the treated water to sit for around half an hour.  Since both PUR and SweetWater filters have charcoal elements following the iodine treatment which basically removes the iodine a fraction of a second after treatment, I didn’t understand how their filters could work. SweetWater basically said the proof was in the pudding — their filters passed the tests, so it worked.  I think SweetWater also mentioned that at that time (a couple of years ago) PUR’s filters had NOT passed the same tests.  At that time PUR said it didn’t make any difference how fast you pumped, the iodinated filter still killed on contact. Now I see that PUR has changed their story BIG TIME!!!  Now they’re recommending you pump no faster than 10 stokes per minute (that’s really slow) AND that you let the iodinated water sit for 20 minutes before pumping it through the StopTop to remove the iodine. Who can you believe?

Yes, this is the point I was trying to make weeks ago.  If the Pur Voyager doesn’t work, chances are really good that none of the purifiers work instantly, as claimed. The resin core was supposed to kill on contact, so the carbon filter removing the iodine seconds later should have worked fine…  however, it doesn’t.  It will be interesting to hear all of the facts when they finally do come out. — Bryan Casper

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know why there is such resistance to accepting such a non-controversial fact as a purifier recall. It the fact that Pur is in recall on those filters shouldn’t threaten anyone. Again thanks for the confirmation that possibly others will note. … "Fact?" There’s that word again. And the resistance is to you. There is no "fact" to resist. –Dook You can read the recall notice by going to: http://www.purwater.com/L3_out_pur_voy.shtml and then clicking on "Consumer Notice" Here is what it says: CONSUMER NOTICE This is to advise you of a potential problem with the Stop Top accessory Stop Top Cartridge that comes packaged with the PUR Voyageur, Scout and Explorer water purifiers. The Stop Top serves as a water bottle adaptor plus reduces the iodine taste that may result from the purification process. However, recent testing has revealed variations in the carbon used in the Stop Top which could interfere with the purifier’s ability to kill viruses in outdoor (untreated) water. Tests showed effectiveness against cysts and bacteria. Purifier update kits will be available within the next few weeks. Consumers can receive a FREE kit by calling Recovery Engineering, Inc. at 1-800-319-7735 or by clicking here to sign-up on-line. In the meantime, consumers who already own PUR camping purifiers can still use them. In order to ensure full anti-virus efficacy, we advise you to remove the StopTop and follow use instructionsfor "How To Handle Difficult or Extreme Water Conditions" located in your Use and Care Briefly, the process involves the following four steps: 1. Disconnect the StopTop carbon filter and pump water into a temporary container at a rate of less than 10 strokes per minute. 2. Remove the inlet hose from the water source and pump the purifier until air comes out of the output hose. 3. Place the inlet hose into the temporary container and pump water into your water bottle or canteen at a rate of less than 10 strokes/minute. 4. Let the water stand for 20-minutes before consumption. We are sorry for this inconvenience, but want to make sure that you achieve desired performance from your purifier. Before you buy.

Yes, these are the current instructions for virus protection. I guess the real debate right now had to do with whether or not Pur stopped shipping the units.  On the same website, you can find an 800 number.  When called, you receive a recorded message that verifies that the units have been halted from production until all testing is completed. — Bryan Casper

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You saw the notice <too? Looks like you’re the same guy from your header, and your manner of writing….. geez, at least lose the anon remailer if you’re going to try to bullshit people…. Actually, he’s not bullshitting anyone about his original statement. Pur has, in fact, stopped production of the three purifiers he listed. They are no longer being shipped to retailers and are in general recall. Thank you very much for your timely confirmation of the simple and publicly known facts. Get ready for the dook and bizbee attack!

"Attack?" You are such a lamer! You feel attacked when a couple of people point out that you have posted a totally unsubstantiated report from a professed anonymous remailer with the X-No-Archive header set to the Y-word. And you have a history of attacking Pur. And you are a sock puppeteer, cooking a new name to agree with yourself. L-A-M-E. Then you back-pedal when it is authoritatively reported (with URLs) that REI doesn’t sell the brand and Campmor does, and is, selling it. Finally, you grasp at the thin reed of someone else saying, with no URLs, that he "saw it, too." You know, lamer, you SHOULD feel attacked. Now, when can we expect you to similarly report that the end of the world is near? All of this information is factual, no matter what Dook, or anyone else on this group wants to post.  I own a Voyager Filter, so I’ve kept up on the news.

Screw off, "factual." It is freekin’ gossip until you provide so authoritative 3rd party verification. (Read that aloud, slowly. Get it?) I don’t know why there is such resistance to accepting such a non-controversial fact as a purifier recall. It the fact that Pur is in recall on those filters shouldn’t threaten anyone. Again thanks for the confirmation that possibly others will note.

… "Fact?" There’s that word again. And the resistance is to you. There is no "fact" to resist. –Dook

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know why there is such resistance to accepting such a non-controversial fact as a purifier recall. It the fact that Pur is in recall on those filters shouldn’t threaten anyone. Again thanks for the confirmation that possibly others will note. … "Fact?" There’s that word again. And the resistance is to you. There is no "fact" to resist. –Dook

You can read the recall notice by going to: http://www.purwater.com/L3_out_pur_voy.shtml and then clicking on "Consumer Notice" Here is what it says: CONSUMER NOTICE This is to advise you of a potential problem with the Stop Top accessory Stop Top Cartridge that comes packaged with the PUR Voyageur, Scout and Explorer water purifiers. The Stop Top serves as a water bottle adaptor plus reduces the iodine taste that may result from the purification process. However, recent testing has revealed variations in the carbon used in the Stop Top which could interfere with the purifier’s ability to kill viruses in outdoor (untreated) water. Tests showed effectiveness against cysts and bacteria. Purifier update kits will be available within the next few weeks. Consumers can receive a FREE kit by calling Recovery Engineering, Inc. at 1-800-319-7735 or by clicking here to sign-up on-line. In the meantime, consumers who already own PUR camping purifiers can still use them. In order to ensure full anti-virus efficacy, we advise you to remove the StopTop and follow use instructionsfor "How To Handle Difficult or Extreme Water Conditions" located in your Use and Care Briefly, the process involves the following four steps: 1. Disconnect the StopTop carbon filter and pump water into a temporary container at a rate of less than 10 strokes per minute. 2. Remove the inlet hose from the water source and pump the purifier until air comes out of the output hose. 3. Place the inlet hose into the temporary container and pump water into your water bottle or canteen at a rate of less than 10 strokes/minute. 4. Let the water stand for 20-minutes before consumption. We are sorry for this inconvenience, but want to make sure that you achieve desired performance from your purifier. Before you buy.

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Just how do they tell a dead virus from a live virus?

They cultivate the treated water to see what grows–the EPA has a very strict protocol using poliovirus type 1 and rotavirus SA-11. Unlike purifiers that use pentaiodide, the First Need doesn’t kill viruses, it traps them by "a combination of hydrophobic and electrostatic interaction." — DISCLAIMER: Unless otherwise indicated, this post is personal opinion and NOT an official statement of my employer. http://home.rmi.net/~csoles/index.htm

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You cannot filter out viruses,– they are just too small.  You have to kill them with chemicals or by boiling. The First Need does. If you are really worried about viruses as well as larger pathogens, then use iodine, Forget iodine, chlorine dioxide is better.

You can believe both of those advertising claims. I don’t. — Jim Fuller

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You can believe both of those advertising claims.

No, but the independent lab reports sitting here have more credibility than you at the moment. The First Need is a purifier that works without chemicals, despite your disbelief. And chlorine dioxide is superior to iodine technologies in almost every way. — DISCLAIMER: Unless otherwise indicated, this post is personal opinion and NOT an official statement of my employer. http://home.rmi.net/~csoles/index.htm

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I always wonder how the labs can distinguish a live virus from a dead virus when they evaluate the effectiveness of purifiers.  Viruses are RNA’s wrapped in a protein coat and most are too small to be seen by even electron microscopes.  Just how do they tell a dead virus from a live virus? says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You can believe both of those advertising claims. No, but the independent lab reports sitting here have more credibility than you at the moment. The First Need is a purifier that works without chemicals, despite your disbelief. And chlorine dioxide is superior to iodine technologies in almost every way.

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You cannot filter out viruses,– they are just too small. Of course you can filter them out. You just need a smaller filter. The flow rates are very small and they clog easily. There are filters that will remove individual protein molecules. Doug McDonald

About a year ago, a doctor who was then active here posted a chart showing sizes of objects to be filtered. Bacteria are pretty much eliminated by the usual 0.2 micron filters found in most filtration products for camping and hiking. For virus removal, the filter must be on the order of 0.005 micron. For small filters practical to carry, 0.005 micron filtering would involve serious pumping effort. The fact that such filters exist does not make them useful for portable applications. Chuck —                         … The times have been,                      That, when the brains were out,                           the man would die. …         Macbeth

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You cannot filter out viruses,– they are just too small.  You have to kill them with chemicals or by boiling.

The First Need does. If you are really worried about viruses as well as larger pathogens, then use iodine,

Forget iodine, chlorine dioxide is better. — DISCLAIMER: Unless otherwise indicated, this post is personal opinion and NOT an official statement of my employer. http://home.rmi.net/~csoles/index.htm

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You cannot filter out viruses,– they are just too small.

Of course you can filter them out. You just need a smaller filter. The flow rates are very small and they clog easily. There are filters that will remove individual protein molecules. Doug McDonald

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You saw the notice <too? Looks like you’re the same guy from your header, and your manner of writing….. geez, at least lose the anon remailer if you’re going to try to bullshit people…. Actually, he’s not bullshitting anyone about his original statement. Pur has, in fact, stopped production of the three purifiers he listed. They are no longer being shipped to retailers and are in general recall. Thank you very much for your timely confirmation of the simple and publicly known facts. Get ready for the dook and bizbee attack! All of this information is factual, no matter what Dook, or anyone else on this group wants to post.  I own a Voyager Filter, so I’ve kept up on the news. I don’t know why there is such resistance to accepting such a non-controversial fact as a purifier recall. It the fact that Pur is in recall on those filters shouldn’t threaten anyone. Again thanks for the confirmation that possibly others will note. I still feel Pur is an excellent company and is only acting in the customers best interest.  As soon as the problem became apparent to them, they took affirmative action to solve the problem.  When they then realized a simple and immediate fix wasn’t available, they notified us. This is the sign of a company with integrity…  a quality company.  I am confident that they will repair the problem, test their repair thoroughly, and then provide the repair to their customers…  but this does take time. All three of these units still filter water as well as any filter on the market.  Only the purifier portion of the unit is under scrutiny. Very correct. Most water in the United States does not require purification (filtering is sufficient).  So, U.S. users can go right on using the units as filters.  If you require purification, do a little research on the proper methods. Those are the inoffensive facts. Thanks. Dook and bizbee will surely now accept those facts gracefully and be nice. — Bryan Casper

They will probably resort to some wording problem in my statements, and then attempt to state that I actually said just the opposite.  That will be followed by some name calling and then a label or two.  After that, they will decided that they represent everyone on this newsgroup and state that I have no credibility here. The pattern is predictable and I’m getting used to it.  I usually won’t do the bad language thing on a newsgroup, but these guys are something else. — Bryan Casper

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Screw off, "factual." It is freekin’ gossip until you provide so authoritative 3rd party verification. (Read that aloud, slowly. Get it?)

Well, the Dook has proved his worth on this newsgroup. I gave him an 800 number to call PUR.  It won’t cost him a dime to make the call, but noooooooo,  he has to persist with his stupidity. Make the call and then quietly go away. What I stated is fact, plain and simple. — Bryan Casper

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PUR’s competitors had a couple of advantages,– their filters would attach directly to a Nalgene wide mouth bottle (and similar) and their filters did not make the water taste like iodine.

What filters are the filters you are referring to? They kill viruses or remove viruses by filtration? I’m curious about killing the viruses but with less iodine taste.

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PUR’s competitors had a couple of advantages,– their filters would attach directly to a Nalgene wide mouth bottle (and similar) and their filters did not make the water taste like iodine. What filters are the filters you are referring to? They kill viruses or remove viruses by filtration? I’m curious about killing the viruses but with less iodine taste.

You cannot filter out viruses,– they are just too small.  You have to kill them with chemicals or by boiling. The distinction that PUR and others have made between "filter"s and "purifier"s is that the "purifier"s have had an iodine element which leached iodine into the water. The problem is that for iodine to work, no matter how it is introduced into the water, you have to have sufficient concentration and give it sufficient time to work, and both of those depend on the water temperature. In North America, there is no known reason to worry about viruses in the water.  In some parts of the world, especially in the tropics, there is. If you are really worried about viruses as well as larger pathogens, then use iodine, such as Polar Pure, to treat your filtered water.  Or boil it. — Jim Fuller

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You saw the notice <too? Looks like you’re the same guy from your header, and your manner of writing….. geez, at least lose the anon remailer if you’re going to try to bullshit people…. Actually, he’s not bullshitting anyone about his original statement. Pur has, in fact, stopped production of the three purifiers he listed. They are no longer being shipped to retailers and are in general recall.

Thank you very much for your timely confirmation of the simple and publicly known facts. Get ready for the dook and bizbee attack! All of this information is factual, no matter what Dook, or anyone else on this group wants to post.  I own a Voyager Filter, so I’ve kept up on the news.

I don’t know why there is such resistance to accepting such a non-controversial fact as a purifier recall. It the fact that Pur is in recall on those filters shouldn’t threaten anyone. Again thanks for the confirmation that possibly others will note. I still feel Pur is an excellent company and is only acting in the customers best interest.  As soon as the problem became apparent to them, they took affirmative action to solve the problem.  When they then realized a simple and immediate fix wasn’t available, they notified us. This is the sign of a company with integrity…  a quality company.  I am confident that they will repair the problem, test their repair thoroughly, and then provide the repair to their customers…  but this does take time. All three of these units still filter water as well as any filter on the market.  Only the purifier portion of the unit is under scrutiny.

Very correct. Most water in the United States does not require purification (filtering is sufficient).  So, U.S. users can go right on using the units as filters.  If you require purification, do a little research on the proper methods.

Those are the inoffensive facts. Thanks. Dook and bizbee will surely now accept those facts gracefully and be nice. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Bryan Casper

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …. I still feel Pur is an excellent company and is only acting in the customers best interest.  As soon as the problem became apparent to them, they took affirmative action to solve the problem.  When they then realized a simple and immediate fix wasn’t available, they notified us. This is the sign of a company with integrity…  a quality company.  I am confident that they will repair the problem, test their repair thoroughly, and then provide the repair to their customers…  but this does take time. All three of these units still filter water as well as any filter on the market.  Only the purifier portion of the unit is under scrutiny.  Most water in the United States does not require purification (filtering is sufficient).  So, U.S. users can go right on using the units as filters.  If you require purification, do a little research on the proper methods. — Bryan Casper

I think that there is no real problem at all with the products.  The Scout and Explorer have been around for a long time, and there has been no problem, but PUR does have a problem with the instructions, and with the PR about the products, both of which have had idiots for authors. For most of the time that they have been on the market, the Scout and Explorer came without the Stop-top cartridge, which has carbon in it. The Stop-top cartridge was an extra cost, separate, add-on.  The purifiers were tested periodically and worked fine, or at least well enough to satisfy the testers (EPA?). I don’t have the original instructions that came with my Scout, but from the moment I got it, I realized that if I wanted antiviral action from it, then I had to pump the water through twice, very slowly, and to let it stand for a while. That is not a characteristic peculiar to PUR,– any iodine treatment for viruses has to involve two things,– concentration (the amount of iodine in the water) and dwell time (time for it to act on the viruses).  The same requirements exist no matter how the iodine is introduced into the water, whether using tablets, solution, or dissolving it from an iodine matrix embedded into a filter element.  You have to have enough iodine and you ahve to give it time to work. When I bought the Stop-top and later the inline carbon cartridge for the Scout, I fully realized that pumping the water through the carbon directly downstream from the iodine matrix would remove the iodine and negate any antiviral action. PUR’s competitors had a couple of advantages,– their filters would attach directly to a Nalgene wide mouth bottle (and similar) and their filters did not make the water taste like iodine.  Some marketing nitwit at PUR decided that if they bundled a Stop-top carbon cartridge with their purifiers, then that would take care of both concerns,– it fits into a Nalgene wide-mouth mouth and it removes the iodine taste. In the instructions, they also have drastically downplayed the methods needed to get enough iodine into the water and the need to let it sit for long enough to work. It seems that some governmental agency (maybe alerted by a competitor?) woke up and realized that if people used the purifiers as they now came from PUR, with the bundled Stop-top cartbon cartridge, then there was no anti-viral action.  The iodine was removed from the water immediately, before it got to the users’ water bottles. The same marketing nitwit (or one of his nitwit cousins) at PUR decided to blame it on "defective carbon".  Nitwit.  Horse hockey.  The carbon is doing exactly what it is there for,– removing the iodine from the water. At this point, it looks like the EPA has forced PUR to recall the products and to stop making and selling them.  IF PUR had written a candid and complete set of instructions for use in the first place, then this probably would not have happened.  But using the products as supplied and as instructed will not kill viruses.  Using them properly will (although I have my doubts about the iodine matrix efficacy compared to Polar Pure or Potable Aqua,– the concentration is not contolled well enough). PUR’s purifiers will work when used properly, but PUR deserves the Dunce of the Year award for their bundling the carbon element with the purifiers without instructing the users on its effect, and for their nitwit handling of the whole thing. Dumb. I hope for one good development out of this whole nitwit affair,– maybe they will start making a filter element with a carbon core and no iodine for the Scout. By the way, I recently had an email conversation with a "Consumer Relations Rep." at PUR and his level of knowledge about his company and their products was less than zero,– he was blatantly and adamantly giving out bad information which could be shown to be erroneous by simply looking at the product in question.   PUR may well have been taken over by nitwitr aliens. — Jim Fuller

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You saw the notice <too? Looks like you’re the same guy from your header, and your manner of writing….. geez, at least lose the anon remailer if you’re going to try to bullshit people….

Actually, he’s not bullshitting anyone about his original statement. Pur has, in fact, stopped production of the three purifiers he listed. They are no longer being shipped to retailers and are in general recall. All of this information is factual, no matter what Dook, or anyone else on this group wants to post.  I own a Voyager Filter, so I’ve kept up on the news. I still feel Pur is an excellent company and is only acting in the customers best interest.  As soon as the problem became apparent to them, they took affirmative action to solve the problem.  When they then realized a simple and immediate fix wasn’t available, they notified us. This is the sign of a company with integrity…  a quality company.  I am confident that they will repair the problem, test their repair thoroughly, and then provide the repair to their customers…  but this does take time. All three of these units still filter water as well as any filter on the market.  Only the purifier portion of the unit is under scrutiny.  Most water in the United States does not require purification (filtering is sufficient).  So, U.S. users can go right on using the units as filters.  If you require purification, do a little research on the proper methods. — Bryan Casper

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