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OK, just checking Eugene – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – don’t buy a gasket, aparently the special 7176 has problems with all but the special crysler sealant.  I tried everything to get mine to seal untill I bought the special stuff. I meant to type "REAL MoPar seal". And yes, this is the stuff to use. Kenny Gee: proof that Lawrence Welk is not dead.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As stated in an earlier post my ‘94 3.3L Voyager (135,000 Km) is experiencing transmission problems.  Only in hot weather – it will not go into third and almost ejects me through the windshield when going into second. Consider a flush (not just a drain and fill), with REAL MoPar fluid, and a REAL MoPar replacement filter, and REAL pan gasket seal.  Even at a Chrysler agency it should not run you more than about 140 bucks (US), and this is a cheap way to find out if it clears up the problem.  It HAS cleared a multitude of problems for a lot of folks just to get this done. Kenny Gee: proof that Lawrence Welk is not dead.

also, ask for the top tranny tech to inspect the tranny. there is a function in the "DRB III" scanner, that all chrysler dealers use, that lets them see a section in the tranny called "Clutch Volume Index" (CVI for short). this is a reading that is monitored by the tranny’s computer . it reads how much fluid it takes to compress the set of clutches for a given gear. there are 4 cvi reading as there are 4 clutch "pacs" in the 4 speed tranny. the normal readings should look like this: low/reverse: 35-83  the lower the number, the less wear. 2/4        : 20-77     the higher the number the more wear. overdrive  : 48-150 underdrive : 24-70 you could have a snap ring that has broken or a seal that is leaking (that is used to compress a cluch) have the tranny tech preform a function called "quick learn". this takes all of about 15 seconds, and it helps update the cvi readings better. if you are having problems in hot weather, have the tech look at the tranny fluid temp with the DRB III with the tranny hot. if the tranny gets over heated, the tranny’s computer, the transmission control moduel (tcm) will make the tranny shift different with delayed shift points. the torque converter will be locked up to help cool the fluid. this may feel like an unusual shift. if the engine’s throttle position sensor (tps) is acting up, the tranny will also act up as it directly relies on the tps signal as there is no "downshift" cable. the tcm is what determins a downshift or up shift and factors in the tps a great deal. best of luck and only use mopar atf! mike

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don’t buy a gasket, aparently the special 7176 has problems with all but the special crysler sealant.  I tried everything to get mine to seal untill I bought the special stuff. Eugene – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As stated in an earlier post my ‘94 3.3L Voyager (135,000 Km) is experiencing transmission problems.  Only in hot weather – it will not go into third and almost ejects me through the windshield when going into second. Consider a flush (not just a drain and fill), with REAL MoPar fluid, and a REAL MoPar replacement filter, and REAL pan gasket seal.  Even at a Chrysler agency it should not run you more than about 140 bucks (US), and this is a cheap way to find out if it clears up the problem.  It HAS cleared a multitude of problems for a lot of folks just to get this done. Kenny Gee: proof that Lawrence Welk is not dead.

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don’t buy a gasket, aparently the special 7176 has problems with all but the special crysler sealant.  I tried everything to get mine to seal untill I bought the special stuff.

I meant to type "REAL MoPar seal". And yes, this is the stuff to use. Kenny Gee: proof that Lawrence Welk is not dead.

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I would try a fluid 7176 and filter change. Possibly 2 fluild changes, because you can only drain half the fluid out.  If this doesn’t do any good. Then you will probably have to rebuild it. I have talked to a mechanic that has rebuilt transmissions at a Chrysler garage for 30 years.  He says basically the problem is the seals lose there sealing edge.  Chrysler has tried some different seals and the later ones are better. Usually parts don’t have to be replaced it’s just the seals. When they rebuild your transmission alot of the labor is taking the transmission out and putting it back in. Ron

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As stated in an earlier post my ‘94 3.3L Voyager (135,000 Km) is experiencing transmission problems.  Only in hot weather – it will not go into third and almost ejects me through the windshield when going into second.

Consider a flush (not just a drain and fill), with REAL MoPar fluid, and a REAL MoPar replacement filter, and REAL pan gasket seal.  Even at a Chrysler agency it should not run you more than about 140 bucks (US), and this is a cheap way to find out if it clears up the problem.  It HAS cleared a multitude of problems for a lot of folks just to get this done. Kenny Gee: proof that Lawrence Welk is not dead.

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As stated in an earlier post my ‘94 3.3L Voyager (135,000 Km) is experiencing transmission problems.  Only in hot weather – it will not go into third and almost ejects me through the windshield when going into second. Have been to two different transmission shops.  First one said that I need a new (or re-built) transmission ($1400 – $1900).  And I am doing the van damage by continuing to drive it. Second shop, just need to open the transmission and do about $800 – $1000 bucks worth of work. And I am not doing the transmission damage by driving it. Who to believe???? The van only acts up in hot weather (and it has been hot here).   There are no shavings in the pan (we dropped the pan on monday to check).  Because of this – would this not suggest that it is an electronically problem?  Am I doing the van damage by driving it? Anyway, in reading all the post on transmissions I would like to ask your opinion if I should replace the tranny, flushing the tranny (see if that helps), trade the van in.. etc.. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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As stated in an earlier post my ‘94 3.3L Voyager (135,000 Km) is experiencing transmission problems.  Only in hot weather – it will not go into third and almost ejects me through the windshield when going into second. Have been to two different transmission shops.  First one said that I need a new (or re-built) transmission ($1400 – $1900).  And I am doing the van damage by continuing to drive it. Second shop, just need to open the transmission and do about $800 – $1000 bucks worth of work. And I am not doing the transmission damage by driving it. Who to believe???? The van only acts up in hot weather (and it has been hot here).   There are no shavings in the pan (we dropped the pan on monday to check).  Because of this – would this not suggest that it is an electronically problem?  Am I doing the van damage by driving it? Anyway, in reading all the post on transmissions I would like to ask your opinion if I should replace the tranny, flushing the tranny (see if that helps), trade the van in.. etc.. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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I would try a fluid 7176 and filter change. Possibly 2 fluild changes, because you can only drain half the fluid out.  If this doesn’t do any good. Then you will probably have to rebuild it. I have talked to a mechanic that has rebuilt transmissions at a Chrysler garage for 30 years.  He says basically the problem is the seals lose there sealing edge.  Chrysler has tried some different seals and the later ones are better. Usually parts don’t have to be replaced it’s just the seals. When they rebuild your transmission alot of the labor is taking the transmission out and putting it back in. Ron

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As stated in an earlier post my ‘94 3.3L Voyager (135,000 Km) is experiencing transmission problems.  Only in hot weather – it will not go into third and almost ejects me through the windshield when going into second.

Consider a flush (not just a drain and fill), with REAL MoPar fluid, and a REAL MoPar replacement filter, and REAL pan gasket seal.  Even at a Chrysler agency it should not run you more than about 140 bucks (US), and this is a cheap way to find out if it clears up the problem.  It HAS cleared a multitude of problems for a lot of folks just to get this done. Kenny Gee: proof that Lawrence Welk is not dead.

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don’t buy a gasket, aparently the special 7176 has problems with all but the special crysler sealant.  I tried everything to get mine to seal untill I bought the special stuff. Eugene – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As stated in an earlier post my ‘94 3.3L Voyager (135,000 Km) is experiencing transmission problems.  Only in hot weather – it will not go into third and almost ejects me through the windshield when going into second. Consider a flush (not just a drain and fill), with REAL MoPar fluid, and a REAL MoPar replacement filter, and REAL pan gasket seal.  Even at a Chrysler agency it should not run you more than about 140 bucks (US), and this is a cheap way to find out if it clears up the problem.  It HAS cleared a multitude of problems for a lot of folks just to get this done. Kenny Gee: proof that Lawrence Welk is not dead.

Response:

don’t buy a gasket, aparently the special 7176 has problems with all but the special crysler sealant.  I tried everything to get mine to seal untill I bought the special stuff.

I meant to type "REAL MoPar seal". And yes, this is the stuff to use. Kenny Gee: proof that Lawrence Welk is not dead.

Response:

OK, just checking Eugene – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – don’t buy a gasket, aparently the special 7176 has problems with all but the special crysler sealant.  I tried everything to get mine to seal untill I bought the special stuff. I meant to type "REAL MoPar seal". And yes, this is the stuff to use. Kenny Gee: proof that Lawrence Welk is not dead.

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As stated in an earlier post my ‘94 3.3L Voyager (135,000 Km) is experiencing transmission problems.  Only in hot weather – it will not go into third and almost ejects me through the windshield when going into second. Consider a flush (not just a drain and fill), with REAL MoPar fluid, and a REAL MoPar replacement filter, and REAL pan gasket seal.  Even at a Chrysler agency it should not run you more than about 140 bucks (US), and this is a cheap way to find out if it clears up the problem.  It HAS cleared a multitude of problems for a lot of folks just to get this done. Kenny Gee: proof that Lawrence Welk is not dead.

also, ask for the top tranny tech to inspect the tranny. there is a function in the "DRB III" scanner, that all chrysler dealers use, that lets them see a section in the tranny called "Clutch Volume Index" (CVI for short). this is a reading that is monitored by the tranny’s computer . it reads how much fluid it takes to compress the set of clutches for a given gear. there are 4 cvi reading as there are 4 clutch "pacs" in the 4 speed tranny. the normal readings should look like this: low/reverse: 35-83  the lower the number, the less wear. 2/4        : 20-77     the higher the number the more wear. overdrive  : 48-150 underdrive : 24-70 you could have a snap ring that has broken or a seal that is leaking (that is used to compress a cluch) have the tranny tech preform a function called "quick learn". this takes all of about 15 seconds, and it helps update the cvi readings better. if you are having problems in hot weather, have the tech look at the tranny fluid temp with the DRB III with the tranny hot. if the tranny gets over heated, the tranny’s computer, the transmission control moduel (tcm) will make the tranny shift different with delayed shift points. the torque converter will be locked up to help cool the fluid. this may feel like an unusual shift. if the engine’s throttle position sensor (tps) is acting up, the tranny will also act up as it directly relies on the tps signal as there is no "downshift" cable. the tcm is what determins a downshift or up shift and factors in the tps a great deal. best of luck and only use mopar atf! mike

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