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Ok *IT* gurl,  for $2,000,000  Name the song that Stevie wrote on her wedding day?

"Stand Back"…  and "Nightbird" was written in memory of her best friend, Robin, whose husband she ultimately married.. (do i get an extra grand for a sidenote?) i’ll take "Alabama Suthern Recipes" for $6.32, Alex. xoxoxoxoxxo ~tanya .. (yer gold dust "IT" gurlllllll)  now THAT one i ain’t gotta share with Bri !  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA   (but i like sharin)              :(

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Tanya dear:  Everything I said was a sort of reply to stuff I didn’t really agree with in the crazymeds.org discussion of "Xanax".

do WHUTTTTTTT? If you take a look at it (do not do this unless you have Absolutely nothing better to do)

well that’s a given…. you will see.

seein’s believin.. i gotta look (i’m nosey) Have a drink on me

BODY SHOTS????   (i’m takin’ this is a private meeting?) (visualize Angus Young)

is he a cow?  a black cow?  black angus?  i love cows.. i love ta milk em.. the boy cows like that better than the girl ones. xoxoxoxoxox ~tanya

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Hey now don’t talk bad about my Xannies…..Tanya, who the hell said that crap!!

i done fergot !!! xoxoxox ~tanya

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tanya dear:  Everything I said was a sort of reply to stuff I didn’t really agree with in the crazymeds.org discussion of "Xanax". do WHUTTTTTTT? If you take a look at it (do not do this unless you have Absolutely nothing better to do) well that’s a given…. you will see. seein’s believin.. i gotta look (i’m nosey) Have a drink on me BODY SHOTS????   (i’m takin’ this is a private meeting?) (visualize Angus Young) is he a cow?  a black cow?  black angus?  i love cows.. i love ta milk em.. the boy cows like that better than the girl ones. xoxoxoxoxox ~tanya

He’s the guitar player in the rock band, AC/DC. He dresses up like a British school boy or something, even though the band is from Australia. Do you listen to AC/DC down south or just Lynyrd Skynyrd and the Allman Brothers?  :-D Tony (on Jeopardy) ~ I’ll take "Classic Rock Trivia" for $400.

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Tony (on Jeopardy) ~ I’ll take "Classic Rock Trivia" for $400.

me too! me too! Ok, in "L.A Woman" by "The Doors", what does "Mr Mojo risin’" refer to ??? Rich <—- LOVES Rock trivia!!!!

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He’s the guitar player in the rock band, AC/DC.

NUNT UH !  he ain’t neither…. fer real?  i love AC/DC cuz i love Beavis and Butthead.   Do you listen to AC/DC down south or just Lynyrd Skynyrd and the Allman Brothers?

xoxoxoxoxooxxox

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Ok, in "L.A Woman" by "The Doors", what does "Mr Mojo risin’" refer to ???

anagram for Jim Morrison ! i’ll take Stevie Nicks trivia for 2 million, Alex !

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Ok, in "L.A Woman" by "The Doors", what does "Mr Mojo risin’" refer to ??? anagram for Jim Morrison !

WOWTATATOW!  yer really good :) i’ll take Stevie Nicks trivia for 2 million, Alex !

Ok *IT* gurl,  for $2,000,000  Name the song that Stevie wrote on her wedding day?

Rich <wating!!!

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He’s the guitar player in the rock band, AC/DC. NUNT UH !  he ain’t neither…. fer real?  i love AC/DC cuz i love Beavis and Butthead.

Yuh huh.  He’s the dude that came up with all those cool guitar licks and hooks.  He reels in catfish with all those catchy hooks. Do you listen to AC/DC down south or just Lynyrd Skynyrd and the Allman Brothers? xoxoxoxoxooxxox

Did you ever dye your hair blonde like Stevie, wear long black dresses, and twirl ?  Muh Gold Dust Woman …. I have to admit that "Songbird" is one of my favorite songs, even though Stevie just plays tambourine and twirls around on that one.  :-P tic-tac-toe Tony

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Are the "Big Pharma" companies lobbying Congress to ban benzos so they can sell the more profitable SSRIs ?

I think so. Tono

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Who is this guy talking about?  First he uses the word "me" then he says "him".  The entire "crazy meds" site is just a lot to read with lot’s of adds.  Don’t believe everything you read, starting with the entire "crazy meds" web site.

It’s gonzo psychopharmacology.  If objectivity is a myth, go for the extreme of subjectivity. — MYTHOLOGY, n.  The body of a primitive people’s beliefs concerning its origin, early history, heroes, deities and so forth, as distinguished from the true accounts which it invents later.                 -Ambrose Bierce, The Devil’s Dictionary.

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Tanya dear:  Everything I said was a sort of reply to stuff I didn’t really agree with in the crazymeds.org discussion of "Xanax".  If you take a look at it (do not do this unless you have Absolutely nothing better to do) you will see. Have a drink on me (visualize Angus Young) xoxoxo, Gary

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The terms "dependency" and "addiction" are not interchangeable. i been sayin that for how many weeks now?????? Their discussion of Xanax is, at best, sophomoric. so you continue….to discuss benzos.. of which xanax is one….All benzodiazepines have equal capacity to cause physical dependence, the syndrome of addiction  is one where the abused substance becomes the central part of a person’s life and social circumstances and considerable time is spent seeking out the substance of addiction.  Any benzodiazepine can also result in addiction, in susceptible people, however no one product has more likelihood than another. THAT having been said, I will admit that physicians in detox programs often cite Xanax as one of the more difficult detox situations.  Any psychiatrist will tell you that it’s perfectly appropriate for use in an indicated condition, taken in the prescribed amount, which the vast majority of benzodiazepine users DO.  Xanax dosage for most people is from .75 to 4 mg daily, and the Panic Disorder doses can go higher, up to 10 mgs, on the average, panic patients use about 6 mgs/daily.  The Xanax XR formulation is obviously patented, and yes, if you want that convenience you will most definitely pay for it till that patent runs out.  Generic Xanax is quite inexpensive, as are the other generic benzos.  Having taken both, I see little difference in the efficacy, however the XR formulation is convenient – some report that it does not hold them for 24 hours.  The relative potency of Xanax and Klonopin are probably the main reasons for their utility in the panic population, along with the lower incidence of sedation. Short half-life benzodiazepines result in more severe withdrawal symptoms following abrupt discontinuance (which should never happen in the first place).  Both Klonopin and Valium have been successfully used as cross-tolerant agents, to substitute gradually for Xanax, in cases where the patient wanted to use a longer acting agent in order to reduce discontinuation withdrawal symptoms.  The half life of Xanax is 6.3 to 15.8 hours in healthy adults and 9.0 to 26.9 hours in elderly people.  Obesity as well as liver problems also increase the half life of xanax. good god !  how long do you discuss stuff you don’t judge as "sophomoric?" i’m comin ta yer house fer DRINKS ! (i cannot believe you resorted to the sophomoric term… "sophomoric") SSRI will not cause a withdrawal syndrome like that of benzo’s – however it is unpleasant for many. yeah.. dyin CAN be unpleasant.. which is possible with xanax (sophomoric.. at best)… even tho it’s real popular.. that dyin’ stuff.. people do it alla time. "But none of the rare side effects, what few there are, is (sic) particularly freaky"  ?? shurrrrrrrrrre, Dude !  whaddup?  i mean.. "YO, DADDY"… the droop effects are freaky, mannnnn.. but the upside is dope, DAWG !"  uhhhh.. uhhhhh. yeahhhhhhhhh… peace out… chill, yo ! ~tanya

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Did you ever dye your hair blonde like Stevie, wear long black dresses, and twirl ?

i cannot lie.. yes i did.    people would tell me alla time i looked like her when i was real young.. i’d be all "OH, YER KIDDIN!".. (as IF i wasn’t makin a friggin effort).. how embarrassin ! my favorite is "Has Anyone Ever Written Anything"… but i love em all.. i gotta get onstage with her a couple years ago via one of my piercing customers, and took like massive pictures and was not cool at all.. i was all "OMG OMGOMGOMGOMGOMOGMOMGOMGOGMOMG OMG !".. she was very very nice about my idiocy, and we finally talked.  that was one of the most special days of my life and i didn’t have a come-apart ! tic-tac-dough… (i love wink martindale) ~tanya

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, in "L.A Woman" by "The Doors", what does "Mr Mojo risin’" refer to ??? anagram for Jim Morrison ! WOWTATATOW!  yer really good :) i’ll take Stevie Nicks trivia for 2 million, Alex ! Ok *IT* gurl,  for $2,000,000  Name the song that Stevie wrote on her wedding day? Rich <wating!!! And do *you* know which sixties Vancouver based band recorded the absolutely fabulous "Frustration"? This group recorded only two singles; the second one was terrible, "Frustration" is a masterpiece and, to help you some more, on the B-side was a song which wasn’t bad at all and was called "Little White Lies". "Frustration" actually was a *hit* in Canada. P.

Well, my dear Philip, for $2,345,561 I would say: "The Painted Ship" and I agree with you "Frustration" is a fabulous song! Vancouver is the paradise of "mushrooms" so this should help for the inspiration ;) Man, I love trivia and you have great questions !!! Rich <singing When the men on the chessboard Get up and tell you where to go And you’ve just had some kind of mushroom And your mind is moving low. Go ask Alice I think she’ll know! oups… sorry… I thought I was alone… ;)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, in "L.A Woman" by "The Doors", what does "Mr Mojo risin’" refer to ??? anagram for Jim Morrison ! WOWTATATOW!  yer really good :) i’ll take Stevie Nicks trivia for 2 million, Alex ! Ok *IT* gurl,  for $2,000,000  Name the song that Stevie wrote on her wedding day? Rich <wating!!!

And do *you* know which sixties Vancouver based band recorded the absolutely fabulous "Frustration"? This group recorded only two singles; the second one was terrible, "Frustration" is a masterpiece and, to help you some more, on the B-side was a song which wasn’t bad at all and was called "Little White Lies". "Frustration" actually was a *hit* in Canada. P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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You’re right.   Thanks for the info. Correct info on benzos doesn’t seem to be available on the web. There are lots of UK sites that spread false info on benzos. Why are some "experts" so anti-benzo? What is their motive? Beer commercials are OK for television but benzos are being banned by the new Medicaid prescription drug plan. Are the "Big Pharma" companies lobbying Congress to ban benzos so they can sell the more profitable SSRIs ? Tony

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Are the "Big Pharma" companies lobbying Congress to ban benzos so they can sell the more profitable SSRIs ?

Hi Tony, yes I think they are, – remember when (in the mid-eighties) xanax was what the drug companies were peddeling and they said they were "safe", "non-addictive" and useful for treatment for anxiety and mild depression. Then came the ssri’s and these same drug companies began their rap about the horrible risks of benzos. Yes I really think so.  - K

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Nothing wrong with wanting to keep one’s buds informed, however this site uses terminology very fast and loose, and their dosage equivalency schedule at the end is just plain wrong.  Benzos are not mood stabilizers, they are tranquilizers.  In a number of scenarios they can definitely cause mood instability rather than stability.  All this having been said, I personally am all for taking Xanax, and I do every day – however that is just me.

I’ve run into that sight on a few occasions.  It almost seems the writer has experienced every med in existence.  And the way he describes *his* reaction.  Does anyone here have their benzo make them more nervous for the first 15 minutes?  That is one I never heard before. *Quoted from the crazy meds page* "For me all benzos are interchangeable, be they brand or generic, they all act exactly the same way; the first fifteen to twenty minutes they make _me_ more nervous then they calm _him_ down tremendously for six to ten hours before knocking _him_ out." Who is this guy talking about?  First he uses the word "me" then he says "him".  The entire "crazy meds" site is just a lot to read with lot’s of adds.  Don’t believe everything you read, starting with the entire "crazy meds" web site. Tono

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It just occured to me, what an apt name for the site:  "crazymeds".  LOL Gary — The greatest measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do absolutely nothing for him.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nothing wrong with wanting to keep one’s buds informed, however this site uses terminology very fast and loose, and their dosage equivalency schedule at the end is just plain wrong.  Benzos are not mood stabilizers, they are tranquilizers.  In a number of scenarios they can definitely cause mood instability rather than stability.  All this having been said, I personally am all for taking Xanax, and I do every day – however that is just me. I’ve run into that sight on a few occasions.  It almost seems the writer has experienced every med in existence.  And the way he describes *his* reaction.  Does anyone here have their benzo make them more nervous for the first 15 minutes?  That is one I never heard before. *Quoted from the crazy meds page* "For me all benzos are interchangeable, be they brand or generic, they all act exactly the same way; the first fifteen to twenty minutes they make _me_ more nervous then they calm _him_ down tremendously for six to ten hours before knocking _him_ out." Who is this guy talking about?  First he uses the word "me" then he says "him".  The entire "crazy meds" site is just a lot to read with lot’s of adds.  Don’t believe everything you read, starting with the entire "crazy meds" web site. Tono

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Hey I don’t have nothing better to do lol…..I’ll check it out what the

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tanya dear:  Everything I said was a sort of reply to stuff I didn’t really agree with in the crazymeds.org discussion of "Xanax".  If you take a look at it (do not do this unless you have Absolutely nothing better to do) you will see. Have a drink on me (visualize Angus Young) xoxoxo, Gary The terms "dependency" and "addiction" are not interchangeable. i been sayin that for how many weeks now?????? Their discussion of Xanax is, at best, sophomoric. so you continue….to discuss benzos.. of which xanax is one….All benzodiazepines have equal capacity to cause physical dependence, the syndrome of addiction is one where the abused substance becomes the central part of a person’s life and social circumstances and considerable time is spent seeking out the substance of addiction.  Any benzodiazepine can also result in addiction, in susceptible people, however no one product has more likelihood than another. THAT having been said, I will admit that physicians in detox programs often cite Xanax as one of the more difficult detox situations.  Any psychiatrist will tell you that it’s perfectly appropriate for use in an indicated condition, taken in the prescribed amount, which the vast majority of benzodiazepine users DO.  Xanax dosage for most people is from .75 to 4 mg daily, and the Panic Disorder doses can go higher, up to 10 mgs, on the average, panic patients use about 6 mgs/daily.  The Xanax XR formulation is obviously patented, and yes, if you want that convenience you will most definitely pay for it till that patent runs out.  Generic Xanax is quite inexpensive, as are the other generic benzos.  Having taken both, I see little difference in the efficacy, however the XR formulation is convenient – some report that it does not hold them for 24 hours.  The relative potency of Xanax and Klonopin are probably the main reasons for their utility in the panic population, along with the lower incidence of sedation. Short half-life benzodiazepines result in more severe withdrawal symptoms following abrupt discontinuance (which should never happen in the first place).  Both Klonopin and Valium have been successfully used as cross-tolerant agents, to substitute gradually for Xanax, in cases where the patient wanted to use a longer acting agent in order to reduce discontinuation withdrawal symptoms.  The half life of Xanax is 6.3 to 15.8 hours in healthy adults and 9.0 to 26.9 hours in elderly people. Obesity as well as liver problems also increase the half life of xanax. good god !  how long do you discuss stuff you don’t judge as "sophomoric?" i’m comin ta yer house fer DRINKS ! (i cannot believe you resorted to the sophomoric term… "sophomoric") SSRI will not cause a withdrawal syndrome like that of benzo’s – however it is unpleasant for many. yeah.. dyin CAN be unpleasant.. which is possible with xanax (sophomoric.. at best)… even tho it’s real popular.. that dyin’ stuff.. people do it alla time. "But none of the rare side effects, what few there are, is (sic) particularly freaky"  ?? shurrrrrrrrrre, Dude !  whaddup?  i mean.. "YO, DADDY"… the droop effects are freaky, mannnnn.. but the upside is dope, DAWG !"  uhhhh.. uhhhhh. yeahhhhhhhhh… peace out… chill, yo ! ~tanya

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Their discussion of Xanax is, at best, sophomoric.particularly freaky"  ?? snippers….. Hey now don’t talk bad about my Xannies…..Tanya, who the hell said that crap!! I don’t even feel like scrollin up. The nerve! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – shurrrrrrrrrre, Dude !  whaddup?  i mean.. "YO, DADDY"… the droop effects are freaky, mannnnn.. but the upside is dope, DAWG !"  uhhhh.. uhhhhh. yeahhhhhhhhh… peace out… chill, yo ! ~tanya

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The terms "dependency" and "addiction" are not interchangeable.

i been sayin that for how many weeks now?????? Their discussion of Xanax is, at best, sophomoric.

so you continue….to discuss benzos.. of which xanax is one….All benzodiazepines have – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -equal capacity to cause physical dependence, the syndrome of addiction  is one where the abused substance becomes the central part of a person’s life and social circumstances and considerable time is spent seeking out the substance of addiction.  Any benzodiazepine can also result in addiction, in susceptible people, however no one product has more likelihood than another. THAT having been said, I will admit that physicians in detox programs often cite Xanax as one of the more difficult detox situations.  Any psychiatrist will tell you that it’s perfectly appropriate for use in an indicated condition, taken in the prescribed amount, which the vast majority of benzodiazepine users DO.  Xanax dosage for most people is from .75 to 4 mg daily, and the Panic Disorder doses can go higher, up to 10 mgs, on the average, panic patients use about 6 mgs/daily.  The Xanax XR formulation is obviously patented, and yes, if you want that convenience you will most definitely pay for it till that patent runs out.  Generic Xanax is quite inexpensive, as are the other generic benzos.  Having taken both, I see little difference in the efficacy, however the XR formulation is convenient – some report that it does not hold them for 24 hours.  The relative potency of Xanax and Klonopin are probably the main reasons for their utility in the panic population, along with the lower incidence of sedation. Short half-life benzodiazepines result in more severe withdrawal symptoms following abrupt discontinuance (which should never happen in the first place).  Both Klonopin and Valium have been successfully used as cross-tolerant agents, to substitute gradually for Xanax, in cases where the patient wanted to use a longer acting agent in order to reduce discontinuation withdrawal symptoms.  The half life of Xanax is 6.3 to 15.8 hours in healthy adults and 9.0 to 26.9 hours in elderly people.  Obesity as well as liver problems also increase the half life of xanax.

good god !  how long do you discuss stuff you don’t judge as "sophomoric?"  i’m comin ta yer house fer DRINKS ! (i cannot believe you resorted to the sophomoric term… "sophomoric")   SSRI will not cause a withdrawal syndrome like that of benzo’s – however it is unpleasant for many.

yeah.. dyin CAN be unpleasant.. which is possible with xanax (sophomoric.. at best)… even tho it’s real popular.. that dyin’ stuff.. people do it alla time. "But none of the rare side effects, what few there are, is (sic) particularly freaky"  ??

shurrrrrrrrrre, Dude !  whaddup?  i mean.. "YO, DADDY"… the droop effects are freaky, mannnnn.. but the upside is dope, DAWG !"  uhhhh.. uhhhhh. yeahhhhhhhhh… peace out… chill, yo ! ~tanya

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Nothing wrong with wanting to keep one’s buds informed, however this site uses terminology very fast and loose, and their dosage equivalency schedule at the end is just plain wrong.  Benzos are not mood stabilizers, they are tranquilizers.  In a number of scenarios they can definitely cause mood instability rather than stability.  All this having been said, I personally am all for taking Xanax, and I do every day – however that is just me.

Allthough he’s without a computer for a little while, I suggest you email Jerod an discuss your concerns.  He’s been pretty receptive to some of my past criticisms.  He’s one guy trying to do a huge task.  As he’s bi-polar, I immagine work only gets done when he’s manic, so he can use all the help he can get. — MYTHOLOGY, n.  The body of a primitive people’s beliefs concerning its origin, early history, heroes, deities and so forth, as distinguished from the true accounts which it invents later.                 -Ambrose Bierce, The Devil’s Dictionary.

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http://www.crazymeds.org/benzo.html http://www.crazymeds.org

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Nothing wrong with wanting to keep one’s buds informed, however this site uses terminology very fast and loose, and their dosage equivalency schedule at the end is just plain wrong.  Benzos are not mood stabilizers, they are tranquilizers.  In a number of scenarios they can definitely cause mood instability rather than stability.  All this having been said, I personally am all for taking Xanax, and I do every day – however that is just me. The terms "dependency" and "addiction" are not interchangeable. Their discussion of Xanax is, at best, sophomoric.  All benzodiazepines have equal capacity to cause physical dependence, the syndrome of addiction  is one where the abused substance becomes the central part of a person’s life and social circumstances and considerable time is spent seeking out the substance of addiction.  Any benzodiazepine can also result in addiction, in susceptible people, however no one product has more likelihood than another. THAT having been said, I will admit that physicians in detox programs often cite Xanax as one of the more difficult detox situations.  Any psychiatrist will tell you that it’s perfectly appropriate for use in an indicated condition, taken in the prescribed amount, which the vast majority of benzodiazepine users DO.  Xanax dosage for most people is from .75 to 4 mg daily, and the Panic Disorder doses can go higher, up to 10 mgs, on the average, panic patients use about 6 mgs/daily.  The Xanax XR formulation is obviously patented, and yes, if you want that convenience you will most definitely pay for it till that patent runs out.  Generic Xanax is quite inexpensive, as are the other generic benzos.  Having taken both, I see little difference in the efficacy, however the XR formulation is convenient – some report that it does not hold them for 24 hours.  The relative potency of Xanax and Klonopin are probably the main reasons for their utility in the panic population, along with the lower incidence of sedation. Short half-life benzodiazepines result in more severe withdrawal symptoms following abrupt discontinuance (which should never happen in the first place).  Both Klonopin and Valium have been successfully used as cross-tolerant agents, to substitute gradually for Xanax, in cases where the patient wanted to use a longer acting agent in order to reduce discontinuation withdrawal symptoms.  The half life of Xanax is 6.3 to 15.8 hours in healthy adults and 9.0 to 26.9 hours in elderly people.  Obesity as well as liver problems also increase the half life of xanax. All this having been said, I see nothing wrong with trying an SSRI first, due to decreased dependence liabilities – however they are sometimes just not enough, or just not the right thing for a specific patient.  Abrupt discontinuance of an SSRI will not cause a withdrawal syndrome like that of benzo’s – however it is unpleasant for many. "But none of the rare side effects, what few there are, is (sic) particularly freaky"  ??  do you really want to get your medication information from a source that talks to you like THAT? Nothing further.

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