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Wash. Times on Ruby Ridge

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With this fine, August 20, editorial the Washington Times has shown that they know what the feds are capable of in one instance.  It would be nice if they would make the connection to other outrages. THAT’S NO JUSTICE <snip (Omitted fair, objective account, of the whole sorry episode, familiar to readers of this news group, without a single reference to Randy Weaver as a "white separatist," which is so often used to justify what was done to him and his family.)

I have *never* seen an account of this in any organ of the major media in which Weaver was not referred to as a"white separatist" or a "white supremicist" — and in some cases the "news" account did not even mention his name, just "The White Separatist".  The intent of the media could not have been more clear, i.e. to demonize Weaver and to send the message to readers/viewers that "hey, this guy was some sort of nazi-type, so let’s not worry about whether government agents whacked out part of his family" FBI Director Louis Freeh has acknowledged that the Weaver case was a waste of time and resources from the beginning.  Ultimately, of course, it turned out to be much worse.  Some may downplay what happened to the Weavers because the reclusive family allegedly had odd political and religious ideas.  But odd ideas are not a capital offense or crime here. Not yet anyway. (Tell that to the Branch Davidians. ed.) The more serious concern is that there is a two-tiered system of justice evolving in this country–one for the governed and another for their governors.  

Evolving?  It certainly looks like it’s pretty fully "evolved". – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -That’s an idea more repellent than anything Randy Weaver could have imagined.  By its inaction, the Justice Department is making that idea a reality.

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With this fine, August 20, editorial the Washington Times has shown that they know what the feds are capable of in one instance.  It would be nice if they would make the connection to other outrages. THAT’S NO JUSTICE If one private citizen had set up another on weapons-possession charges, sent him the wrong court date to appear, shot his 14-year-old son in the back and killed him, and gunned down his wife as she stood in the doorway holding a baby, one would expect law-enforcement officials to take it pretty seriously.  And so, no doubt, they would.  When the feds themselves pull the trigger, however, it’s a whole other story. Last week, the Justice Department announced it was dropping its investigation into the shooting deaths of a Ruby Ridge, Idaho, woman and her 14-year-old son without filing any charges against the federal agents who took part in the fatal siege.  U.S. Attorney Michael Stiles, who led a 2-year inquiry into the 1992 shootings, said in a statement there was insufficient evidence to warrant criminal or civil charges in the case. The announcement was carefully timed for a late-summer Friday afternoon when no one was around to hear it, which is one measure of the agency’s confidence in it. The Justice Department hastened to add that subjects of the investigation would still be exposed to internal "discipline," as if to show that the rule of law somehow still applies to the people entrusted to enforce it. Please.  the family members who died hadn’t been charged, much less convicted of any crime.  Could anyone but a government sniper acting under orders get away with killing them and face only "discipline?" (Omitted fair, objective account, of the whole sorry episode, familiar to readers of this news group, without a single reference to Randy Weaver as a "white separatist," which is so often used to justify what was done to him and his family.) FBI Director Louis Freeh has acknowledged that the Weaver case was a waste of time and resources from the beginning.  Ultimately, of course, it turned out to be much worse.  Some may downplay what happened to the Weavers because the reclusive family allegedly had odd political and religious ideas.  But odd ideas are not a capital offense or crime here. Not yet anyway. (Tell that to the Branch Davidians. ed.) The more serious concern is that there is a two-tiered system of justice evolving in this country–one for the governed and another for their governors.  That’s an idea more repellent than anything Randy Weaver could have imagined.  By its inaction, the Justice Department is making that idea a reality.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  With this fine, August 20, editorial the Washington Times has shown that  they know what the feds are capable of in one instance.  It would be nice  if they would make the connection to other outrages.  THAT’S NO JUSTICE  If one private citizen had set up another on weapons-possession charges,  sent him the wrong court date to appear, shot his 14-year-old son in the  back and killed him, and gunned down his wife as she stood in the doorway  holding a baby, one would expect law-enforcement officials to take it  pretty seriously.  And so, no doubt, they would.  When the feds themselves  pull the trigger, however, it’s a whole other story.  Last week, the Justice Department announced it was dropping its  investigation into the shooting deaths of a Ruby Ridge, Idaho, woman and  her 14-year-old son without filing any charges against the federal agents  who took part in the fatal siege.  U.S. Attorney Michael Stiles, who led a  2-year inquiry into the 1992 shootings, said in a statement there was  insufficient evidence to warrant criminal or civil charges in the case.  The announcement was carefully timed for a late-summer Friday afternoon  when no one was around to hear it, which is one measure of the agency’s  confidence in it.   The "Friday Freebie" may work on the mainstream media, but not here on the internet. The announcement that no charges would be filed raced across the web and the resultant public outrage has apparently triggered a reversal. The news is announcing this morning that manslaughter charges are to be filed against the man who shot Vicky Weaver.

 Maybe I’m missing something here, but wasn’t Harris ALREADY tried for the murder of U.S. Marshall Degan – and acquitted? Isn’t that double jeopardy? But then again, maybe the MiniJust changed the rules and I missed it. It happens. Organization: None Newsgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,alt.politics.org.fbi Report: FBI Agent To Be Charged SPOKANE, Wash. (AP)–An FBI agent will be charged with manslaughter for killing separatist Randy Weaver’s wife in the standoff at Ruby Ridge five years ago, a newspaper reported today. Boundary County, Idaho, deputy prosecutor Todd Reed did not disclose details, but said his office would make an announcement about its Ruby Ridge investigation sometime today. But the Spokesman-Review newspaper reported that Prosecutor Denise Woodbury plans to charge Weaver’s friend Kevin Harris with first-degree murder in the shooting death of Deputy U.S. Marshal William Degan, and FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi with manslaughter in the death of Vicki Weaver. The newspaper cited two law-enforcement sources who spoke on condition that they not be identified. The August 1992 standoff at the Weavers’ remote cabin near Naples began after federal agents tried to arrest Randy Weaver for failing to appear in court to face charges of selling two illegal sawed- off shotguns. Horiuchi told a grand jury four years ago that he accidentally shot Mrs. Weaver in the head while he was aiming at Harris as he ran through a doorway into the Weaver family’s cabin. — …and according to the sketch he made right after the shoot, there were TWO heads in the window of the door as he viewed it from his sniper scope. — RANCHO RUNNAMUKKA | Special Effects / Documentary Films Mike & Claire – The Rancho Runnamukka http://www.accessone.com/~rivero/ RYDER TRUCK AT ARMY BASE 4/95 http://members.aol.com/bardsquill/truck.htm

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