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In article <yoUK3.447$t1.7…@ord-read.news.verio.net>, Bloody Viking <nos…@miles.wwa.com> wrote: > Note I put Nardil as the last resort after even neurosurgery! I made the > order that way becuse Nardil is a MAOI drug, which all but requires being > a vegitarian. In my case, becuse I have high blood pressure in the first > place, I bet I could never try that drug anyways. Eating the wrong thing > on Nardil can cause you to develop such high blood pressure you’ll peg the > gauge out.

But the risk isn’t quite as great as you make it out to be. I can certainly understand your trepidation over Nardil considering your high blood pressure. But to say one has to be a vegetarian, goes much too far and is tremendously misleading. When I was on Nardil, I was anything but a vegetarian and never had a single problem in two years. Unfortunately, too many people get scared off Nardil from such well-intentioned but not necessarily accurate warnings. The risk of a hypertensive reaction is quite low under reasonable conditions. Most docs who don’t have experience with it avoid it like the plague because of the dietary restrictions. But it can be an effective and relatively safe treatment for SPia for many people with only a relatively minor inconvenience. I would hate to see people dismiss it without giving it some consideration.

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>From: s…@NOSPAMhotmail.com  (CW3X) >Unfortunately, too many people get scared off Nardil from such >well-intentioned but not necessarily accurate warnings. The risk of a >hypertensive reaction is quite low under reasonable conditions. Most docs >who don’t have experience with it avoid it like the plague because of the >dietary restrictions. But it can be an effective and relatively safe >treatment for SPia for many people with only a relatively minor >inconvenience. I would hate to see people dismiss it without giving it >some consideration.

Yeah, I think there’s been a few people here that have taken Nardil and have had alot of success with it. Pam

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CW3X <s…@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:

: But the risk isn’t quite as great as you make it out to be. I can : certainly understand your trepidation over Nardil considering your high : blood pressure. But to say one has to be a vegetarian, goes much too far : and is tremendously misleading. When I was on Nardil, I was anything but a : vegetarian and never had a single problem in two years. : Unfortunately, too many people get scared off Nardil from such : well-intentioned but not necessarily accurate warnings. The risk of a : hypertensive reaction is quite low under reasonable conditions. Most docs : who don’t have experience with it avoid it like the plague because of the : dietary restrictions. But it can be an effective and relatively safe : treatment for SPia for many people with only a relatively minor : inconvenience. I would hate to see people dismiss it without giving it : some consideration. I suppose I should have said that Nardil is a last resort in my exact case. I would personally put it AFTER DIY neurosurgery. That’s becuse of the food restrictions and the fact that I eat a lot of the time foods that are MAOI-incompatible. Becuse MAOI-incompatible foods are mostly what I eat and I can’t cook, I’m in a very bad position when it comes to Nardil use. It would be extremely difficult for me to switch over to a MAOI-compatible eating pattern. I would need to be fed by an IV! Becuse of my wacked-out eating habits, I would be forced to attempt a DIY version of ETS before I tried Nardil. Everyone else’s mileage WILL vary. — CAUTION: Email Spam Killer in use. Leave this line in your reply! 152680  First Law of Economics: You can’t sell product to people without money. 4626323 bytes of spam mail deleted.           http://www.wwa.com/~nospam/

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MzPami <mzp…@aol.com> wrote:

: Yeah, I think there’s been a few people here that have taken Nardil and have : had alot of success with it. I guess I should have said what I did but saying it’s for my own exact case, becuse of my wacko eating habits. While others may will be able to comply with the food restrictions, I absolutely wouldn’t short of being IV-fed. — CAUTION: Email Spam Killer in use. Leave this line in your reply! 152680  First Law of Economics: You can’t sell product to people without money. 4626323 bytes of spam mail deleted.           http://www.wwa.com/~nospam/

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Hi Craig, I think Kirk made some good suggestions….with the vacation, If you can stand it, go on organised tours….solves some of the loneliness problem and also has the potential for making some meaningful connections. Doesn’t matter where you go, just having a break from the regular surroundings and work routine may do some good….(of course If you do go, don’t forget to write the NG about your adventures ;) Jake CW3X <s…@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Stuck. Stuck. Stuck. That’s the single word that describes how I > feel. > Stuck in a job I’m overqualified for that, nonetheless, is > stressing me > out (I’ve been avoiding some crucial phone calls for a month or > two) and > is going to bite me back if I’m not careful. > Stuck because I know how hard it is, if not impossible, to find > another > job – and one that I’ll actually like and thrive in. I was out of > work for > 2 1/2 years before I found this one. (And how do I describe that > big gap – > let alone the decline from lawyer to lowly paralegal?) > Stuck because I could really use a vacation but I can’t decide > where to > go. I could really use a getaway but I hate travelling alone (as > if I have > any choice) and figure I’ll just be stressed no matter where I go. > And > what would that help. But I don’t want to just stay home for a > week again. > Been there, done that. That’s just way too depressing. > Stuck because I really could use some additional help dealing with > my SP > again but I’m not sure I want to go on the medication > merry-go-round again > or break in a new p-doc (my last one isn’t covered by my insurance > and I’m > not sure I want to see him again anyway). Meanwhile, my GP just > figures > upping my Remeron (about which she knows zilch) might do the > trick. But I > don’t see much change although my mood is more stable. > Stuck because the only person I have to share this with has her own > troubles right now and I don’t want to trouble her – especially > since > she’ll be leaving town for good next month and taking my love life > with > her. Is it time to take the therapy plunge again or do I need to > get > stabilized before that will do any good. > Indecision plagues me. > Stuck. Stuck. Stuck. > It sucks. > Craig

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Stuck. Stuck. Stuck. That’s the single word that describes how I feel. Stuck in a job I’m overqualified for that, nonetheless, is stressing me out (I’ve been avoiding some crucial phone calls for a month or two) and is going to bite me back if I’m not careful. Stuck because I know how hard it is, if not impossible, to find another job – and one that I’ll actually like and thrive in. I was out of work for 2 1/2 years before I found this one. (And how do I describe that big gap – let alone the decline from lawyer to lowly paralegal?) Stuck because I could really use a vacation but I can’t decide where to go. I could really use a getaway but I hate travelling alone (as if I have any choice) and figure I’ll just be stressed no matter where I go. And what would that help. But I don’t want to just stay home for a week again. Been there, done that. That’s just way too depressing. Stuck because I really could use some additional help dealing with my SP again but I’m not sure I want to go on the medication merry-go-round again or break in a new p-doc (my last one isn’t covered by my insurance and I’m not sure I want to see him again anyway). Meanwhile, my GP just figures upping my Remeron (about which she knows zilch) might do the trick. But I don’t see much change although my mood is more stable. Stuck because the only person I have to share this with has her own troubles right now and I don’t want to trouble her – especially since she’ll be leaving town for good next month and taking my love life with her. Is it time to take the therapy plunge again or do I need to get stabilized before that will do any good. Indecision plagues me. Stuck. Stuck. Stuck. It sucks. Craig

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CW3X <s…@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:

: Stuck. Stuck. Stuck. That’s the single word that describes how I feel. [snip of a replication of my own situation] I know how you feel. It sucks. Before the Grachman Olajuwon postings about that surgery he had, I have approximately lost hope and started into a mode of self-resignation. I find asking doctors for meds to be comparable to looking for a job or asking for a raise. In short, I have to overcome SP to get SP meds. Talk about being stuck. Whatever I find, it will either have to be the ETS surgery whereby I time the visit in summer to maximise sweat, or I will have to come up with some homebrew solution. Most likely a homebrew solution will have to be kept secret. I will have to do the homebrew solution just enough to get meds. One thing’s for sure. I can get amazingly persistent. This SP shit is one stubborn challenge. I can list things that don’t work though: metoprolol (one of many beta blockers) acting classes (need to overcome SP first to get social skill training that way) CBT/social skills training/talk therapy/etc. (need to fix SP first – just like acting classes) Exposure (did that all my life, look where it got me) herbal/homeopathic/magnets/etc. (quackery) If I were to put things to try into an order of first-line to last resort, it would likely go like this: self-help by whatever method medication except Nardil (unless you’re a vegitarian) The ETS surgery If you can’t get it done or if it fails, then and only then, try Nardil. Note I put Nardil as the last resort after even neurosurgery! I made the order that way becuse Nardil is a MAOI drug, which all but requires being a vegitarian. In my case, becuse I have high blood pressure in the first place, I bet I could never try that drug anyways. Eating the wrong thing on Nardil can cause you to develop such high blood pressure you’ll peg the gauge out. — CAUTION: Email Spam Killer in use. Leave this line in your reply! 152680  First Law of Economics: You can’t sell product to people without money. 4614226 bytes of spam mail deleted.           http://www.wwa.com/~nospam/

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