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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  President Bush flew fighter jets.    What did Cheney do? Or Bill Clinton? In all fairness,I don’t remember military service being a requirement for any public office.     Funny I didn’t hear you saying to all the rightwingnuts who chided Clinton for not serving. Dodging and not serving is two different beefs…..its like legally avoiding paying taxes and illegally avoiding.    Funny the Nixon Justice dept didn’t think Clinton did anything wrong. Guess they just had a soft spot for liberal anti-war protesters, eh? Nah, they simply looked at law.  Has nothing to do with moral issues – not that you would understand "moral issue".

Very true. What Mr. Clinton did was not against the law. Case closed. Had nothing to do with morals. However, when he lied under oath, that was, indeed, unlawful and for that he paid a $90,000.00 fine and had his law license suspended. Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time.  - P.J. O’Rourke

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  President Bush flew fighter jets.    What did Cheney do? Or Bill Clinton? In all fairness,I don’t remember military service being a requirement for any public office.    Funny I didn’t hear you saying to all the rightwingnuts who chided Clinton for not serving.

The mojority of the people didn’t serve. So what? Clinton just didn’t serve, he was on foreign soil protesting his own country. That is the sin and the difference.    At least Clinton went public with his (correct, as it turns out) opinions about the war.    What was Cheney’s excuse?

Who knows? Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time.  - P.J. O’Rourke

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Who served in the military?

Jane: Many thanks for this post and showing us the Republican Hall of Shame. In a perfect world every conservative poster here would slink away in embarrassment and never bring up the subject again but it’s not a perfect world so we’ll just have to grin and bear it. I suggest all liberals print your message and keep it for future use whenever some wingnut pipes up about somebody or other’s military record. Figaro

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Jane Fonda didn’t serve either did she?   President Bush flew fighter jets. What did you fly Jane, Hillary’s broomstick?

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Jane Fonda didn’t serve either did she?   President Bush flew fighter jets. What did you fly Jane, Hillary’s broomstick?

Geez, Billary, that’s stupid even for you. Get the bends while diving? Jane Fonda put her career and maybe her life on the line to stand up for what she believed, right or wrong. What did the chimp ever put on the line except a line of coke? Fonda has the balls Bush should have been born with but wasn’t. Bush flew fighter jets!  Where to…home to see mommy? Figaro – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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How about Slick Willie Blow Job.  Did he serve?  Didn’t you vote for him TWICE???

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who served in the military? Jane: Many thanks for this post and showing us the Republican Hall of Shame. In a perfect world every conservative poster here would slink away in embarrassment and never bring up the subject again but it’s not a perfect world so we’ll just have to grin and bear it. I suggest all liberals print your message and keep it for future use whenever some wingnut pipes up about somebody or other’s military record. Figaro

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Jane Fonda put her career and maybe her life on the line to stand up for what she believed, right or wrong.

A letter from Mike Benge about Hanoi Jane. "I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over five years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a ‘black box’ in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban Me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I later buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. "At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (my normal weight is 170 lbs.). We were Jane Fonda’s ‘war criminals.’ "When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs were receiving, which was far different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as ‘humane and lenient.’ Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a piece of steel re-bar placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane every time my arms dipped. "Jane Fonda had the audacity to say that the POWs were lying about our torture and treatment. Now ABC is allowing Barbara Walters to honor Jane Fonda in her feature ‘100 Years of Great Women.’ Shame on the Disney Company. "I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She did not answer me, her husband (at the time), Tom Hayden, answered for her. She was mind controlled by her husband. This does not exemplify someone who should be honored by ‘100 Years of Great Women.’ "After I was released, I was asked what I thought of Jane Fonda and the anti-war movement. I said that I held Joan Baez’s husband in very high regard, for he thought the war was wrong, burned his draft card and went to prison in protest. If the other anti-war protesters took this same route, it would have brought our judicial system to a halt and ended the war much earlier, and there wouldn’t be as many on that somber black granite wall called the Vietnam Memorial. This is democracy. This is the American way. "Jane Fonda, on the other hand, chose to be a traitor and went to Hanoi, wore their uniform, propagandized for the communists and urged American soldiers to desert. As we were being tortured, and some of the POWs murdered, she called us liars. After her heroes — the North Vietnamese communists — took over South Vietnam, they systematically murdered 80,000 South Vietnamese political prisoners. May their souls rest on her head forever."    Mike Benge

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Jane Fonda didn’t serve either did she?

Jane Fonda actually went to Vietnam.  Bush didn’t! President Bush flew fighter jets.

Bush flew an obsolete airplane with no chance of ever being sent to Vietnam.

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How about Slick Willie Blow Job.  Did he serve?  Didn’t you vote for him TWICE???

Calls to the White House seeking comment on if and when the president’s full military records will be released were not returned. Calls to the White House seeking comment on if and when the president’s full military records will be released were not returned. Calls to the White House seeking comment on if and when the president’s full military records will be released were not returned. Calls to the White House seeking comment on if and when the president’s full military records will be released were not returned. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who served in the military? Jane: Many thanks for this post and showing us the Republican Hall of Shame. In a perfect world every conservative poster here would slink away in embarrassment and never bring up the subject again but it’s not a perfect world so we’ll just have to grin and bear it. I suggest all liberals print your message and keep it for future use whenever some wingnut pipes up about somebody or other’s military record. Figaro

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Jane Fonda didn’t serve either did she?   President Bush flew fighter jets. What did you fly Jane, Hillary’s broomstick?

Calls to the White House seeking comment on if and when the president’s full military records will be released were not returned. Calls to the White House seeking comment on if and when the president’s full military records will be released were not returned. Calls to the White House seeking comment on if and when the president’s full military records will be released were not returned. Calls to the White House seeking comment on if and when the president’s full military records will be released were not returned.

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Jane Fonda put her career and maybe her life on the line to stand up for what she believed, right or wrong. A letter from Mike Benge about Hanoi Jane. "I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over five years.

The Chimp ‘n’ Chief sez; "Damn! I was AWOL for two. Daddy knew some good ol’ boyz up in high places." I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a ‘black box’ in Hanoi.

I was flyin’ jets on the tax payer dime. That sure does sound bad though. Thats why I wasn’t goin’….sucka.. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a

leprosarium Whats her name? I knows lot o’ people. I was pretty social at Yale… Got any picures of her nude? I was a cheerleader at Yale…. in Ban Me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I later buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border.

Your loss… I went AWOL and avoided Vietnam… Maybe ya should have done what I had done? I gots a daddy in the US congress… I was suckin’ champaign, Sucka….. …and the Texas whores were suckin’ somethin’ else o’ mine, BWAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!! Daddy paid for that too!!! Ha ha! Hand me that straw and pour a lil white line on that sweet rosey ass o’ yours Rosey!" Calls to the White House seeking comment on if and when the president’s full military records will be released were not returned. Calls to the White House seeking comment on if and when the president’s full military records will be released were not returned. Calls to the White House seeking comment on if and when the president’s full military records will be released were not returned. Calls to the White House seeking comment on if and when the president’s full military records will be released were not returned. Calls to the White House seeking comment on if and when the president’s full military records will be released were not returned.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  President Bush flew fighter jets.    What did Cheney do? Or Bill Clinton? In all fairness,I don’t remember military service being a requirement for any public office.     Funny I didn’t hear you saying to all the rightwingnuts who chided Clinton for not serving.

Dodging and not serving is two different beefs…..its like legally avoiding paying taxes and illegally avoiding.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  President Bush flew fighter jets.    What did Cheney do? Or Bill Clinton? In all fairness,I don’t remember military service being a requirement for any public office.     Funny I didn’t hear you saying to all the rightwingnuts who chided Clinton for not serving. Dodging and not serving is two different beefs…..its like legally avoiding paying taxes and illegally avoiding.

    Funny the Nixon Justice dept didn’t think Clinton did anything wrong. Guess they just had a soft spot for liberal anti-war protesters, eh?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  President Bush flew fighter jets.    What did Cheney do? Or Bill Clinton? In all fairness,I don’t remember military service being a requirement for any public office.     Funny I didn’t hear you saying to all the rightwingnuts who chided Clinton for not serving. Dodging and not serving is two different beefs…..its like legally avoiding paying taxes and illegally avoiding.    Funny the Nixon Justice dept didn’t think Clinton did anything wrong. Guess they just had a soft spot for liberal anti-war protesters, eh?

Nah, they simply looked at law.  Has nothing to do with moral issues – not that you would understand "moral issue".

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 President Bush flew fighter jets.

    What did Cheney do?

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 President Bush flew fighter jets.    What did Cheney do?

Or Bill Clinton? In all fairness,I don’t remember military service being a requirement for any public office. Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time.  - P.J. O’Rourke

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How DARE you stand and defend the actions of the likes of Jane Fonda! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jane Fonda put her career and maybe her life on the line to stand up for what she believed, right or wrong. What did the chimp ever put on the line except a line of coke? Fonda has the balls Bush should have been born with but wasn’t.

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Jane Fonda didn’t serve either did she? Jane Fonda actually went to Vietnam.  Bush didn’t! President Bush flew fighter jets. Bush flew an obsolete airplane with no chance of ever being sent to Vietnam.

It wasn’t necessarily obsolte but rather unsuited for the type of combat being waged in Viet Nam. The F-102 was an interceptor/fighter which was better suited for intercepting bombers and other larger attack/fighters that were expected in a cold war type scenario not tight air to air or attack type missions which were better suited to more agile aircraft.

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 President Bush flew fighter jets.    What did Cheney do? Or Bill Clinton? In all fairness,I don’t remember military service being a requirement for any public office.

    Funny I didn’t hear you saying to all the rightwingnuts who chided Clinton for not serving.     At least Clinton went public with his (correct, as it turns out) opinions about the war.     What was Cheney’s excuse?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jane Fonda didn’t serve either did she?   President Bush flew fighter jets. What did you fly Jane, Hillary’s broomstick? Geez, Billary, that’s stupid even for you. Get the bends while diving? Jane Fonda put her career and maybe her life on the line to stand up for what she believed, right or wrong. What did the chimp ever put on the line except a line of coke? Fonda has the balls Bush should have been born with but wasn’t. Bush flew fighter jets!  Where to…home to see mommy? Figaro

  Hey fig,you ever fly a high performance jet??You’d be crying"MMMOOOOMMMMMEEEEE""!!!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | | | | | | | | | Jane Fonda put her career and maybe her life on the line to stand up | | for what she believed, right or wrong. | | | | A letter from Mike Benge about Hanoi Jane. | | | | "I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was | captured by | | the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for | over five | | years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in | | Cambodia, and one year in a ‘black box’ in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese | captors | | deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a | leprosarium | | in Ban Me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I later buried in the jungle near the | | Cambodian border. | | | | "At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (my normal weight is | 170 | | lbs.). We were Jane Fonda’s ‘war criminals.’ | | | | "When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political | | officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I would | like to | | tell her about the real treatment we POWs were receiving, which was far | | different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and | parroted by | | Jane Fonda, as ‘humane and lenient.’ Because of this, I spent three days | on a | | rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a piece of steel | re-bar | | placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane every time my arms | dipped. | | | | "Jane Fonda had the audacity to say that the POWs were lying about our | torture | | and treatment. Now ABC is allowing Barbara Walters to honor Jane Fonda in | her | | feature ‘100 Years of Great Women.’ Shame on the Disney Company. | | | | "I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after | I was | | released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She did | not | | answer me, her husband (at the time), Tom Hayden, answered for her. She | was mind | | controlled by her husband. This does not exemplify someone who should be | honored | | by ‘100 Years of Great Women.’ | | | | "After I was released, I was asked what I thought of Jane Fonda and the | anti-war | | movement. I said that I held Joan Baez’s husband in very high regard, for | he | | thought the war was wrong, burned his draft card and went to prison in | protest. | | If the other anti-war protesters took this same route, it would have | brought our | | judicial system to a halt and ended the war much earlier, and there | wouldn’t be | | as many on that somber black granite wall called the Vietnam Memorial. | This is | | democracy. This is the American way. | | | | "Jane Fonda, on the other hand, chose to be a traitor and went to Hanoi, | wore | | their uniform, propagandized for the communists and urged American | soldiers to | | desert. As we were being tortured, and some of the POWs murdered, she | called us | | liars. After her heroes — the North Vietnamese communists — took over | South | | Vietnam, they systematically murdered 80,000 South Vietnamese political | | prisoners. May their souls rest on her head forever." | | | |    Mike Benge | | | | "I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam" | | Yeah, right. | M | | What’s the matter Miguel, you socialists can’t handle the truth about a fellow | communist? | That guy was CIA and he got what he had coming.  War Criminal M

So you admit that you support and encourage the torturing of POWs. How compassionate of you Miguel.

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| | | | | | | | | Jane Fonda put her career and maybe her life on the line to stand up | | for what she believed, right or wrong. | | | | A letter from Mike Benge about Hanoi Jane. | | | | "I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was | captured by | | the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for | over five | | years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in | | Cambodia, and one year in a ‘black box’ in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese | captors | | deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a | leprosarium | | in Ban Me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I later buried in the jungle near the | | Cambodian border. | | | | "At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (my normal weight is | 170 | | lbs.). We were Jane Fonda’s ‘war criminals.’ | | | | "When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political | | officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I would | like to | | tell her about the real treatment we POWs were receiving, which was far | | different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and | parroted by | | Jane Fonda, as ‘humane and lenient.’ Because of this, I spent three days | on a | | rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a piece of steel | re-bar | | placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane every time my arms | dipped. | | | | "Jane Fonda had the audacity to say that the POWs were lying about our | torture | | and treatment. Now ABC is allowing Barbara Walters to honor Jane Fonda in | her | | feature ‘100 Years of Great Women.’ Shame on the Disney Company. | | | | "I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after | I was | | released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She did | not | | answer me, her husband (at the time), Tom Hayden, answered for her. She | was mind | | controlled by her husband. This does not exemplify someone who should be | honored | | by ‘100 Years of Great Women.’ | | | | "After I was released, I was asked what I thought of Jane Fonda and the | anti-war | | movement. I said that I held Joan Baez’s husband in very high regard, for | he | | thought the war was wrong, burned his draft card and went to prison in | protest. | | If the other anti-war protesters took this same route, it would have | brought our | | judicial system to a halt and ended the war much earlier, and there | wouldn’t be | | as many on that somber black granite wall called the Vietnam Memorial. | This is | | democracy. This is the American way. | | | | "Jane Fonda, on the other hand, chose to be a traitor and went to Hanoi, | wore | | their uniform, propagandized for the communists and urged American | soldiers to | | desert. As we were being tortured, and some of the POWs murdered, she | called us | | liars. After her heroes — the North Vietnamese communists — took over | South | | Vietnam, they systematically murdered 80,000 South Vietnamese political | | prisoners. May their souls rest on her head forever." | | | |    Mike Benge | | | | "I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam" | | Yeah, right. | M | | What’s the matter Miguel, you socialists can’t handle the truth about a fellow | communist? | That guy was CIA and he got what he had coming.  War Criminal M

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | | | | Jane Fonda put her career and maybe her life on the line to stand up | for what she believed, right or wrong. | | A letter from Mike Benge about Hanoi Jane. | | "I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by | the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over five | years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in | Cambodia, and one year in a ‘black box’ in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors | deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium | in Ban Me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I later buried in the jungle near the | Cambodian border. | | "At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (my normal weight is 170 | lbs.). We were Jane Fonda’s ‘war criminals.’ | | "When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political | officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I would like to | tell her about the real treatment we POWs were receiving, which was far | different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by | Jane Fonda, as ‘humane and lenient.’ Because of this, I spent three days on a | rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a piece of steel re-bar | placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane every time my arms dipped. | | "Jane Fonda had the audacity to say that the POWs were lying about our torture | and treatment. Now ABC is allowing Barbara Walters to honor Jane Fonda in her | feature ‘100 Years of Great Women.’ Shame on the Disney Company. | | "I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was | released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She did not | answer me, her husband (at the time), Tom Hayden, answered for her. She was mind | controlled by her husband. This does not exemplify someone who should be honored | by ‘100 Years of Great Women.’ | | "After I was released, I was asked what I thought of Jane Fonda and the anti-war | movement. I said that I held Joan Baez’s husband in very high regard, for he | thought the war was wrong, burned his draft card and went to prison in protest. | If the other anti-war protesters took this same route, it would have brought our | judicial system to a halt and ended the war much earlier, and there wouldn’t be | as many on that somber black granite wall called the Vietnam Memorial. This is | democracy. This is the American way. | | "Jane Fonda, on the other hand, chose to be a traitor and went to Hanoi, wore | their uniform, propagandized for the communists and urged American soldiers to | desert. As we were being tortured, and some of the POWs murdered, she called us | liars. After her heroes — the North Vietnamese communists — took over South | Vietnam, they systematically murdered 80,000 South Vietnamese political | prisoners. May their souls rest on her head forever." | |    Mike Benge | "I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam" Yeah, right. M

What’s the matter Miguel, you socialists can’t handle the truth about a fellow communist?

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| | | | Jane Fonda put her career and maybe her life on the line to stand up | for what she believed, right or wrong. | | A letter from Mike Benge about Hanoi Jane. | | "I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by | the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over five | years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in | Cambodia, and one year in a ‘black box’ in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors | deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium | in Ban Me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I later buried in the jungle near the | Cambodian border. | | "At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (my normal weight is 170 | lbs.). We were Jane Fonda’s ‘war criminals.’ | | "When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political | officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I would like to | tell her about the real treatment we POWs were receiving, which was far | different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by | Jane Fonda, as ‘humane and lenient.’ Because of this, I spent three days on a | rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a piece of steel re-bar | placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane every time my arms dipped. | | "Jane Fonda had the audacity to say that the POWs were lying about our torture | and treatment. Now ABC is allowing Barbara Walters to honor Jane Fonda in her | feature ‘100 Years of Great Women.’ Shame on the Disney Company. | | "I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was | released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She did not | answer me, her husband (at the time), Tom Hayden, answered for her. She was mind | controlled by her husband. This does not exemplify someone who should be honored | by ‘100 Years of Great Women.’ | | "After I was released, I was asked what I thought of Jane Fonda and the anti-war | movement. I said that I held Joan Baez’s husband in very high regard, for he | thought the war was wrong, burned his draft card and went to prison in protest. | If the other anti-war protesters took this same route, it would have brought our | judicial system to a halt and ended the war much earlier, and there wouldn’t be | as many on that somber black granite wall called the Vietnam Memorial. This is | democracy. This is the American way. | | "Jane Fonda, on the other hand, chose to be a traitor and went to Hanoi, wore | their uniform, propagandized for the communists and urged American soldiers to | desert. As we were being tortured, and some of the POWs murdered, she called us | liars. After her heroes — the North Vietnamese communists — took over South | Vietnam, they systematically murdered 80,000 South Vietnamese political | prisoners. May their souls rest on her head forever." | |    Mike Benge | "I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam" Yeah, right. M

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Who served in the military?     Prominent Democrats *       Representative Richard Gephardt, former House Minority Leader – Missouri Air National Guard, 1965-71. (1, 2) *       Representative David Bonior – Staff Sgt., United States Air Force 1968-72 (1, 2) *       Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle – 1st Lt., U.S. Air Force SAC 1969-72 (1, 2) *       Former Vice President Al Gore – enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an airbase twenty miles northeast of Saigon. More facts about Gore’s Service *       Former Senator Bob Kerrey… Democrat… Lt. j.g., U.S. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam (1, 2) *       Senator Daniel Inouye, US Army 1943-’47; Medal of Honor, World War Two (1, 2) *       Senator John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat (1) *       Representative Charles Rangel, Staff Sgt., U.S. Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea (1, 2) *       Former Senator Max Cleland, Captain, U.S. Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam (1, 2) *       Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) – U.S. Army, 1951-1953. (1) *       Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) – Lt., U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74. (1, 2) *       Senator Jack Reed (D-RI) – U.S. Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91 (1) *       Senator Fritz Hollings (D-SC) – served as a U.S. Army officer in World War II, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons. (1) *       Representative Leonard Boswell (D-IA) – Lt. Col., U.S. Army 1956-76; two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier’s Medal. (1, 2) *       Former Representative "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit. (1, 2) *       Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: Staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade, U.S. Army; was wounded and received a Purple Heart. (1, 2) *       Bill McBride, Democratic Candidate for Florida Governor – volunteered and served as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam; awarded Bronze Star with a combat "V." (1) *       Gray Davis, California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze Star. (1) *       Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force 1955-57 *       Chuck Robb, US Senator from Virginia, served in Vietnam *       Howell Heflin… Democrat… Silver Star *       George McGovern, famous liberal, awarded Silver Star & DFC, dozens of missions during WWII. *       Former President Bill Clinton – avoided the draft through student deferments; in the autumn of 1969, Clinton entered the draft but received a high number (311) and was never called to serve. (CNN article.) "…it was his doubts about the morality of the war and the Selective Service system that led him to abandon the ROTC idea and to subject himself to a draft lottery. Only the luck of the draw – a high lottery number – kept him out. " (Jeff Greenfield, ABC News, quoting Gov. Clinton.) *       Former President Jimmy Carter, most recent recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, seven years in the Navy. "Except for his fellow service-academy graduate Dwight Eisenhower, no President of the twentieth century spent more years in uniform than Carter." (New Yorker Magazine) *       Former Vice President Walter Mondale, U.S. Army 1951-1953 *       Former Senator John Glenn, D-OH (1974-1999) – Served in WWII and Korea; extensive military commendations include the Distinguished Flying Cross on six occasions, and the Air Medal with 18 Clusters. *       Congressman Tom Lantos, D-CA – Did not serve in the US military; did serve in the Hungarian anti-Nazi underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg, is the only Holocaust survivor to serve in Congress. Prominent Republicans  *      Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert – avoided the draft, did not serve. *       Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey – avoided the draft, did not serve. *       House Majority Leader Tom Delay – avoided the draft, did not serve (1). "So many minority youths had volunteered … that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself." *       House Majority Whip Roy Blunt – did not serve *       Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist – did not serve. (An impressive medical resume, but not such a friend to cats in Boston.) *       Majority Whip Mitch McConnell, R-KY – did not serve (1) *       Rick Santorum, R-PA, third ranking Republican in the Senate – did not serve. (1) *       Former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott – avoided the draft, did not serve. *       Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld – served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as an aviator and flight instructor. (1) Served as President Reagan’s Special Envoy to the Middle East and met with Saddam Hussein twice in 1983 and 1984. *       GW Bush – decided that a six-year Nat’l Guard commitment really means four years. Still says that he’s "been to war." Huh? *       VP Cheney – several deferments (1, 2), the last by marriage (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service") (1) *       Att’y Gen. John Ashcroft – did not serve (1, 2); received seven deferment to teach business ed at SW Missouri State *       Jeb Bush, Florida Governor – did not serve. (1) *       Karl Rove – avoided the draft, did not serve (1), too busy being a Republican. *       Former Speaker Newt Gingrich – avoided the draft, did not serve (1, 2) *       Former President Ronald Reagan – due to poor eyesight, served in a noncombat role making movies for the Army in southern California during WWII. He later seems to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the real thing. *       "B-1" Bob Dornan – avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in college acting classes (Orange County Weekly article). Enlisted only after the fighting was over in Korea. *       Phil Gramm – avoided the draft, did not serve, four (?) student deferments *       Senator John McCain – McCain’s naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Why did the Bush campaign smear him so? At least Senators Cleland (D-GA), Kerry (D-MA), Kerrey (D-NE), Robb (D-VA) and Hagel (R-NE) defended him. *       Former Senator Bob Dole – an honorable man. http://www.bobdole.org/bio/wwII.php *       Chuck Hagel – two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam. http://www.senate.gov/~hagel/Information/bio.htm *       Duke Cunningham – nominated for the Medal of Honor, received the Navy Cross, two Silver Stars, fifteen Air Medals, the Purple Heart, and several other decorations http://www.house.gov/cunningham/about_duke.htm#Biography *       Senator Jeff Sessions U.S. Army Reserves, 1973-1986 *       Colin Powell. What are we to make of Powell? On the one hand, a long career as a military manager. On the other hand, accused of covering up the My Lai massacre. Back on that first hand, one of the seemingly sane voices in this administration when it comes to Iraq (or at least he used to be). On the other hand, a clear hypocrite ("I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed… managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units…") *       Representative Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD), served in USMC in Vietnam; wounded in action. Republicans/Conservatives  Political *       Senator Don Nickles, R-OK – Oklahoma – Biography does not list military service. However, CNN lists Army National Guard service 1970-1976. *       Senator Richard Shelby, did not serve (1) *       Senator Jon Kyl, R-AZ – did not serve (1, 2) *       Senator Tim Hutchison, R-AR – did not serve (1, 2) *       Rep. Christopher Cox, R-CA, fifth-ranking Republican in Congress – did not serve. (1) *       Representative Saxby Chambliss, Georgia – did not serve (1, 2), had a "bad knee" (yet somehow feels he has a right to attack Max Cleland’s patriotism) *       Former Representative JC Watts – did not serve (1, 2) *       Jack Kemp, did not serve (1, 2) (was unfit because of a knee injury, though he heroically continued as a National Football League quarterback for another eight years – source) *       Former Vice President Dan Quayle, avoided Vietnam service, got a slot in the journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard when the unit was at 150% capacity (at least he showed up for his duty, unlike GW) (1, 2) *       Eliot Abrams, did not serve (1, 2) (however, played a key role in subverting democracy in South America) *       Paul Wolfowitz, did not serve (1, 2) *       Former Representative Vin Weber, did not serve (1, 2) *       Richard Perle, did not serve (1, 2) (is the current bloodshed in the Middle East a direct result of his treasonous meddling in Clinton Administrstion foreign policy?) *       Rudy Giuliani, did not serve (1, 2) *       Michael Bloomberg, did not serve (1, 2) *       George Pataki, did not serve (1, 2) *       Spencer Abraham, did not serve *       John Engler, did not serve (1, 2) *       Lindsey Graham (R-SC) – website used to claim service as a "Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran." A current biographical website makes no such claim. In reality, was a National Guard lawyer who never left South Carolina during the Gulf War. *       Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-CA, did not serve (1) *       Rep. Darrell Issa, R-CA/49th, there were some problems with his service. *       Rep. John M. McHugh, R-NY – avoided the draft, did not serve (1) *       Arnold Schwarzenegger, CA Republican Gubernatorial candidate – went AWOL from his Austrian army base to enter a bodybuilding competition *       George Herbert Walker Bush, pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese; was lone survivor out of airplane (link). *       Tom Ridge, Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam (1) *       Representative Sam R. Johnson, combat missions in both Korea and Vietnam, POW in Hanoi from April 1966 to February 1973 (1) (don’t ever run for president Sam, they’ll spread rumors that you’re crazy) *       Senator Ted Stevens, R-AK, WW II pilot, two Distinguished Flying Crosses, two Air Medals, and the Yuan Hai medal awarded by the Republic of China. *       Congresswoman Heather Wilson, R-NM, served in the Air Force 1978-1989 *       Former President Gerald Ford, served in the Navy, WWII *       Former Senator Strom Thurmond – apparently believes, along with Trent Lott, that … read more »

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