Act Acting » Acting Drama » The Useless Turds Society

The Useless Turds Society

Question:

My DW spit out at me with real hatred "You useless piece of shit. Nobody likes you  Etc." Half an hour earlier, my dear ADD Daughter exploded at me with screaming fit of exasperated rage.   … A typical ADD moment?  … I suspect so. Only on this occasion I got lucky. … My ADD D; who is learning all about ADD for herself; had the presence of mind to specifically express what it was about me that made her go ape shit. Dad was being supremely arrogant with respect to his own uselessness. Instead of ‘trying’ dad __, ___, and ___.  I leave it as blank because I’m not sure what my D was trying to say. But that doesn’t matter.  The key is the ARROGANT about being USELESS. I understood.  … I smiled to myself; in full realization of what it meant. To explain it to my D then or now or tomorrow is impossible I was being perceived as useless because I was weak; because I didn’t want to make the effort; because I wasn’t even trying. In reality I was apathetic  … but I was also arrrogant. Proud about being useless? O.K.  .. I cannot find the words.  Can anyone help?  … I couldn’t do anything  .. I knew the score.   .. I felt quite confident.  It was as if my DW and DD where whining in the extreme about my uselessness  … when I felt usefull and effective. Why oh why oh why oh why is it so hard to find words for something so simple, so vibrant, so ordinary.   .. It put a big stress on me.  … It drives me nuts. But dysphasia is not something pathological.  There doesn’t seem to be anyone who describes this sort of thing. I will stop here for the moment, risking the loss of my impetus … This is worth elaborating upon.  Can anyone help? Cordially, RL

Response:

<snipped But that doesn’t matter.  The key is the ARROGANT about being USELESS. I understood.  … I smiled to myself; in full realization of what it meant. <snipped In reality I was apathetic  … but I was also arrrogant. Proud about being useless?

Uhm, yeah.  I can see where they would feel that you’re  being this way.  And I can see where it would drive them absolutely bonkers. You LIKE feeling useless. You REVEL in it. You want the rest of us with ADHD to join you in WALLOWING in your *perceived* uselessness. You’re one of the people who uses ADHD like a flag, like banner, proudly waving overhead, proclaiming that you can’t function because you have ADHD.  Aaarrgghhh!!!! As I posted here: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/dafc91de7… Kitten

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snipped But that doesn’t matter.  The key is the ARROGANT about being USELESS. I understood.  … I smiled to myself; in full realization of what it meant. <snipped In reality I was apathetic  … but I was also arrrogant. Proud about being useless? Uhm, yeah.  I can see where they would feel that you’re  being this way.  And I can see where it would drive them absolutely bonkers. You LIKE feeling useless. You REVEL in it. You want the rest of us with ADHD to join you in WALLOWING in your *perceived* uselessness. You’re one of the people who uses ADHD like a flag, like banner, proudly waving overhead, proclaiming that you can’t function because you have ADHD.  Aaarrgghhh!!!! As I posted here: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/dafc91de7… Kitten

A few people in my family have varying *mental illnesses* and IMO- *crazy* people DON’T THINK they’re crazy!! I’ve found that most often- they think *they* are the ones who make sense. The beauty of delusion. Do you think RL posts such whining, self-loathing posts because he wants someone to empathize with him? or do you think he posts them just to evoke neg. reactions (ie:a masochist)?

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snipped But that doesn’t matter.  The key is the ARROGANT about being USELESS. I understood.  … I smiled to myself; in full realization of what it meant. <snipped In reality I was apathetic  … but I was also arrrogant. Proud about being useless? Uhm, yeah.  I can see where they would feel that you’re  being this way.  And I can see where it would drive them absolutely bonkers. You LIKE feeling useless. You REVEL in it. You want the rest of us with ADHD to join you in WALLOWING in your *perceived* uselessness.

"Above" is what you observe of me. Fair enough. Let’s suppose that my DW and DD perceive me this way.   You can sympathize with their going gonzo.  Good.  :-) "Below" is what you infer about me.  See below for further elaboration :-) You’re one of the people who uses ADHD like a flag, like banner, proudly waving overhead, proclaiming that you can’t function because you have ADHD.  Aaarrgghhh!!!!

1) Nope. Nice try. As they say at cards  … "Go fish."   :) 2) I like the thought of adopting what you infer. There is some pleasure in being smug about such a thing.  Yet, stitting there with a smirk whilst I am being screamed at is like being in purgatory.  .. It’s like taking just half of a step in the correct direction.  What I really, really care to express but cannot find the words  .. or … thoughts  … or… act it out and through… IS THE NEXT STEP. Yes, I am acknowledging that I have ADD.  .. I am being confident and assured in that.   … Good, good, good,     (Now screaming at you)~~~  ….NOW I WANT TO ACT, TOOTS!!!! HOW THE FIG DO I ACT WHEN I RECOGNIZE THAT I HAVE BEEN EMASCULATED … Somehow,  deep down, I "know" the answer.  I wish to make that awareness, overt. Given the choice of being … a) apathetic b) smug and smirking at my own fecklessness   … IMO "Smug & smirking" is one huge half step for the better. Bravo. And so important of all ~~~ Onwards to the next step `~~~ ACTING …. lest we forget.)  [ Strange, how I really had to push myself to spit this final step out into words.  Moreover, I included this paragraph only AFTER I had written this posting (I.E. this is an edit to improve clarity ) 3) From what I have read of Kitten's postings ....  Kitten also comes across as a proud and longstanding member of the "Useless Turds Society"  <w 4) Another thing that I am having great difficulty in describing is ...   Why do I feel so "smug, smirking and confident".  ... I wish to describe something sincere, hard nosed and objective, here.   ... There is NO EMOTION.  ... There is no passive-agressive nonsense involved. I am aware of one thing ... DW & DD are aware of another thing ... I KNOW that DW's & DD's  appreciations are seriously borked  .. they seem to be squealing like stuck pigs who have fallen on their own subjective swords    <smile   ( Cross fingers they don't read Usenet <g ) I want to explain as "process of what is happening " rather than resorting to 'squealing like a stuck pig', obviously  : As I posted here: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/dafc91de7...

I deliberately did NOT read your reference before replying. Having made my reply, I shall now do so ... Cordially, RL

Response:

<snipped A few people in my family have varying *mental illnesses* and IMO- *crazy* people DON'T THINK they're crazy!! I've found that most often- they think *they* are the ones who make sense. The beauty of delusion. Do you think RL posts such whining, self-loathing posts because he wants someone to empathize with him? or do you think he posts them just to evoke neg. reactions (ie:a masochist)?

I am discussing the topic of perceptions. 'Perceiving' is a very peculiar thing. There are some very queer properties involved with it. *crazy* people DON'T THINK they're crazy!!    ... Nawh.  They are just a bunch of "useless turds". I am not re-acting or mocking what you have posted. ... I  possit that what you are noticing and expressing is rooted more in the "Properties of Perception" than hard fact. It is very difficult to untangle this mess. It seems central to the business of ADD. (IMO) Cordially, RL

Response:

The key is the ARROGANT about being USELESS. I understood.  ... I smiled to myself; in full realization of what it meant. To explain it to my D then or now or tomorrow is impossible I was being perceived as useless because I was weak; because I didn't want to make the effort; because I wasn't even trying. In reality I was apathetic  ... but I was also arrrogant. Proud about being useless?

I support your kin 1000%. Because,  you never fail UNTIL you stop trying. No one with what some calls ADHD has ever failed  because of their having the attributes of what some call ADHD. People with the attributes of what some call ADHD fail because they LET the narcissistic Nancy's of the world BRAINWASH them into perceiving the attributes of what some call ADHD as disabiling and internalize all the narcissists negative labeling---e.g. disabled,  handicapped, useless---and give up trying. In fact and reality,  many ADHD'ers carry the weight of both themselves and the numerous predators who hitch themselves to the highly competent ADHD'ers wagon. ADHD'ers wouldn't carry their own weight, plus their predators IF their predators didn't brainwash the ADHD'er into doing so by manufacturing the false reality that the the predator was the useful one,  and his/her ADHD host was the useless one. Over an extended period of time,  the predator will suck all the life out of the ADHD-er---whereupon the aDHD'er will go ON STRIKE---and actualize the role of the disabled, handicapped, useless turd which the narcissists have been *saying* they are. Hopefully,  the narcissist will then move on to another  host---and, the ADHd'er can rebuild their self-confidence the narcissist robbed them of for self-serving reasons.

Response:

<snipped Uhm, yeah.  I can see where they would feel that you're  being this way.  And I can see where it would drive them absolutely bonkers. You LIKE feeling useless. You REVEL in it. You want the rest of us with ADHD to join you in WALLOWING in your *perceived* uselessness. "Above" is what you observe of me. Fair enough. Let's suppose that my DW and DD perceive me this way.   You can sympathize with their going gonzo.  Good.  :-)

Well, considering that's *exactly* what you post here... "Below" is what you infer about me.  See below for further elaboration :-) You're one of the people who uses ADHD like a flag, like banner, proudly waving overhead, proclaiming that you can't function because you have ADHD.  Aaarrgghhh!!!! 1) Nope. Nice try. As they say at cards  ... "Go fish."   :)

Again, this observation is from what/how you post here.  You're constantly posting about how you're useless, ineffectual, whatever, and it's all because you have ADD.  Hogwash! If you are useless and ineffectual, as you say here that you are, it's because you *choose* to be useless and ineffectual.  There's a *huge* difference between having challenges and allowing those challenges to determine who/what you are. ADHD and the accompanying challenges can be a wonderful blessing, or it can be an insufferable curse.  The choice is up to each of us who "suffer" (blech!) with ADHD.  It is up to *us* to decide if it is a blessing or a curse, if we are going to focus on the positive aspects of ADHD or on the negative. 2) I like the thought of adopting what you infer. There is some pleasure in being smug about such a thing.  Yet, stitting there with a smirk whilst I am being screamed at is like being in purgatory.  .. It's like taking just half of a step in the correct direction.  What I really, really care to express but cannot find the words  .. or ... thoughts  ... or... act it out and through... IS THE NEXT STEP. Yes, I am acknowledging that I have ADD.  .. I am being confident and assured in that.   ... Good, good, good,     (Now screaming at you)~~~  ....NOW I WANT TO ACT, TOOTS!!!! HOW THE FIG DO I ACT WHEN I RECOGNIZE THAT I HAVE BEEN EMASCULATED

If you feel emasculated, it is because you CHOOSE to.  ADHD hasn't emasculated you.  Your wife and daughter yelling at you hasn't emasculated you.  *YOU* are the only person who can emasculate you. ... Somehow,  deep down, I "know" the answer.  I wish to make that awareness, overt. Given the choice of being ... a) apathetic b) smug and smirking at my own fecklessness   ... IMO "Smug & smirking" is one huge half step for the better. Bravo.

How about a different choice?  How about working *with* your ADHD?  How about utilizing the good qualities and minimizing the challenging ones? And so important of all ~~~ Onwards to the next step `~~~ ACTING .... lest we forget.)  [ Strange, how I really had to push myself to spit this final step out into words.  Moreover, I included this paragraph only AFTER I had written this posting (I.E. this is an edit to improve clarity )

Action is good.  It's oh, so much better than sitting there feeling sorry for yourself. 3) From what I have read of Kitten's postings ....  Kitten also comes across as a proud and longstanding member of the "Useless Turds Society"  <w

Pardon? <sharpens claws 4) Another thing that I am having great difficulty in describing is ...   Why do I feel so "smug, smirking and confident".  ... I wish to describe something sincere, hard nosed and objective, here.   ... There is NO EMOTION.  ... There is no passive-agressive nonsense involved.

I have no idea why you're so "smug, smirking, and confident."  All I see is what you post here.  Go back through the archives.  See what you've written, how you've written it.  It's a good exercise we all should participate in once in a while. I am aware of one thing ... DW & DD are aware of another thing ... I KNOW that DW's & DD's  appreciations are seriously borked  .. they seem to be squealing like stuck pigs who have fallen on their own subjective swords    <smile   ( Cross fingers they don't read Usenet <g )

You're dead meat if they *do* read here.  Why do you think *they* are the ones who are "borked," rather than you? I want to explain as "process of what is happening " rather than resorting to 'squealing like a stuck pig', obviously  : As I posted here: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/dafc91de7... I deliberately did NOT read your reference before replying. Having made my reply, I shall now do so ...

Go right ahead. Kitten

Response:

<snipped Do you think RL posts such whining, self-loathing posts because he wants someone to empathize with him? or do you think he posts them just to evoke neg. reactions (ie:a masochist)?

Dunno.  Hard to figure out.  If it's the 2nd, well, at least he's better at fishing than most I've seen.  Not many good fisher[wo]men out there these days. Kitten

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The key is the ARROGANT about being USELESS. I understood.  … I smiled to myself; in full realization of what it meant. To explain it to my D then or now or tomorrow is impossible I was being perceived as useless because I was weak; because I didn’t want to make the effort; because I wasn’t even trying. In reality I was apathetic  … but I was also arrrogant. Proud about being useless? I support your kin 1000%. Because,  you never fail UNTIL you stop trying. No one with what some calls ADHD has ever failed  because of their having the attributes of what some call ADHD. People with the attributes of what some call ADHD fail because they LET the narcissistic Nancy’s of the world BRAINWASH them into perceiving the attributes of what some call ADHD as disabiling and internalize all the narcissists negative labeling—e.g. disabled,  handicapped, useless—and give up trying. In fact and reality,  many ADHD’ers carry the weight of both themselves and the numerous predators who hitch themselves to the highly competent ADHD’ers wagon. ADHD’ers wouldn’t carry their own weight, plus their predators IF their predators didn’t brainwash the ADHD’er into doing so by manufacturing the false reality that the the predator was the useful one,  and his/her ADHD host was the useless one. Over an extended period of time,  the predator will suck all the life out of the ADHD-er—whereupon the aDHD’er will go ON STRIKE—and actualize the role of the disabled, handicapped, useless turd which the narcissists have been *saying* they are. Hopefully,  the narcissist will then move on to another  host—and, the ADHd’er can rebuild their self-confidence the narcissist robbed them of for self-serving reasons.

BTW,  all my  friends are wishing me Happy 5-0,  today.:-)

Response:

<snipped – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In fact and reality,  many ADHD’ers carry the weight of both themselves and the numerous predators who hitch themselves to the highly competent ADHD’ers wagon. ADHD’ers wouldn’t carry their own weight, plus their predators IF their predators didn’t brainwash the ADHD’er into doing so by manufacturing the false reality that the the predator was the useful one,  and his/her ADHD host was the useless one. Over an extended period of time,  the predator will suck all the life out of the ADHD-er—whereupon the aDHD’er will go ON STRIKE—and actualize the role of the disabled, handicapped, useless turd which the narcissists have been *saying* they are. Hopefully,  the narcissist will then move on to another  host—and, the ADHd’er can rebuild their self-confidence the narcissist robbed them of for self-serving reasons.

Noone can suck the life out of anyone else, without the permission of the person being drained. Kitten

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The key is the ARROGANT about being USELESS. I understood.  … I smiled to myself; in full realization of what it meant. To explain it to my D then or now or tomorrow is impossible I was being perceived as useless because I was weak; because I didn’t want to make the effort; because I wasn’t even trying. In reality I was apathetic  … but I was also arrrogant. Proud about being useless? I support your kin 1000%. Because,  you never fail UNTIL you stop trying. No one with what some calls ADHD has ever failed  because of their having the attributes of what some call ADHD. People with the attributes of what some call ADHD fail because they LET the narcissistic Nancy’s of the world BRAINWASH them into perceiving the attributes of what some call ADHD as disabiling and internalize all the narcissists negative labeling—e.g. disabled,  handicapped, useless—and give up trying. In fact and reality,  many ADHD’ers carry the weight of both themselves and the numerous predators who hitch themselves to the highly competent ADHD’ers wagon. ADHD’ers wouldn’t carry their own weight, plus their predators IF their predators didn’t brainwash the ADHD’er into doing so by manufacturing the false reality that the the predator was the useful one,  and his/her ADHD host was the useless one. Over an extended period of time,  the predator will suck all the life out of the ADHD-er—whereupon the aDHD’er will go ON STRIKE—and actualize the role of the disabled, handicapped, useless turd which the narcissists have been *saying* they are. Hopefully,  the narcissist will then move on to another  host—and, the ADHd’er can rebuild their self-confidence the narcissist robbed them of for self-serving reasons. BTW,  all my  friends are wishing me Happy 5-0,  today.:-)

Late for big luncheon and ? my friends are throwing to celebrate.it . Have a great June 8, 2006! I will! Linda

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snipped Uhm, yeah.  I can see where they would feel that you’re  being this way.  And I can see where it would drive them absolutely bonkers. You LIKE feeling useless. You REVEL in it. You want the rest of us with ADHD to join you in WALLOWING in your *perceived* uselessness. "Above" is what you observe of me. Fair enough. Let’s suppose that my DW and DD perceive me this way.   You can sympathize with their going gonzo.  Good.  :-) Well, considering that’s *exactly* what you post here… "Below" is what you infer about me.  See below for further elaboration :-) You’re one of the people who uses ADHD like a flag, like banner, proudly waving overhead, proclaiming that you can’t function because you have ADHD.  Aaarrgghhh!!!! 1) Nope. Nice try. As they say at cards  … "Go fish."   :) Again, this observation is from what/how you post here.  You’re constantly posting about how you’re useless, ineffectual, whatever, and it’s all because you have ADD.  Hogwash! If you are useless and ineffectual, as you say here that you are, it’s because you *choose* to be useless and ineffectual.  There’s a *huge* difference between having challenges and allowing those challenges to determine who/what you are. ADHD and the accompanying challenges can be a wonderful blessing, or it can be an insufferable curse.  The choice is up to each of us who "suffer" (blech!) with ADHD.  It is up to *us* to decide if it is a blessing or a curse, if we are going to focus on the positive aspects of ADHD or on the negative. 2) I like the thought of adopting what you infer. There is some pleasure in being smug about such a thing.  Yet, stitting there with a smirk whilst I am being screamed at is like being in purgatory.  .. It’s like taking just half of a step in the correct direction.  What I really, really care to express but cannot find the words  .. or … thoughts  … or… act it out and through… IS THE NEXT STEP. Yes, I am acknowledging that I have ADD.  .. I am being confident and assured in that.   … Good, good, good,     (Now screaming at you)~~~  ….NOW I WANT TO ACT, TOOTS!!!! HOW THE FIG DO I ACT WHEN I RECOGNIZE THAT I HAVE BEEN EMASCULATED If you feel emasculated, it is because you CHOOSE to.  ADHD hasn’t emasculated you.  Your wife and daughter yelling at you hasn’t emasculated you.  *YOU* are the only person who can emasculate you. … Somehow,  deep down, I "know" the answer.  I wish to make that awareness, overt. Given the choice of being … a) apathetic b) smug and smirking at my own fecklessness   … IMO "Smug & smirking" is one huge half step for the better. Bravo. How about a different choice?  How about working *with* your ADHD?  How about utilizing the good qualities and minimizing the challenging ones? And so important of all ~~~ Onwards to the next step `~~~ ACTING …. lest we forget.)  [ Strange, how I really had to push myself to spit this final step out into words.  Moreover, I included this paragraph only AFTER I had written this posting (I.E. this is an edit to improve clarity ) Action is good.  It’s oh, so much better than sitting there feeling sorry for yourself. 3) From what I have read of Kitten’s postings ….  Kitten also comes across as a proud and longstanding member of the "Useless Turds Society"  <w Pardon? <sharpens claws 4) Another thing that I am having great difficulty in describing is …   Why do I feel so "smug, smirking and confident".  … I wish to describe something sincere, hard nosed and objective, here.   … There is NO EMOTION.  … There is no passive-agressive nonsense involved. I have no idea why you’re so "smug, smirking, and confident."  All I see is what you post here.  Go back through the archives.  See what you’ve written, how you’ve written it.  It’s a good exercise we all should participate in once in a while. I am aware of one thing … DW & DD are aware of another thing … I KNOW that DW’s & DD’s  appreciations are seriously borked  .. they seem to be squealing like stuck pigs who have fallen on their own subjective swords    <smile   ( Cross fingers they don’t read Usenet <g ) You’re dead meat if they *do* read here.  Why do you think *they* are the ones who are "borked," rather than you? I want to explain as "process of what is happening " rather than resorting to ’squealing like a stuck pig’, obviously  : As I posted here: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/dafc91de7… I deliberately did NOT read your reference before replying. Having made my reply, I shall now do so … Go right ahead.

(I haven’t yet.  … I will) I could point out that your response, at odds from what you intended ( assuming such ) strong works to make feel utterly worthless.. … ( My re-action is apt to feel even more pathetic about myself. )  This isn’t happening.  Don’t worry. Whyat DOES HAPPEN is the following. Reading your response makes me feel utterly horrible about myself.  I shall give up this thread. I feel utterly horrible about myself BECAUSE I realize that my efforts at effectively expressing myself have failed absolutely and spectacularly. I have proved to myself that I am a useless turd. Believe me or not.  … given my inability to convey antything .. who cares! I give up trying to express myself. I have nothing left to offer, here at ASAD.

Response:

<snipped (I haven’t yet.  … I will) I could point out that your response, at odds from what you intended ( assuming such ) strong works to make feel utterly worthless.. … ( My re-action is apt to feel even more pathetic about myself. )  This isn’t happening.  Don’t worry.

Good.  Because it’s meant to make you take a good, honest look at yourself, so you know juat what it is that’s so exasperating, so you can STOP DOING IT and work on better ways of dealing with things. Whyat DOES HAPPEN is the following. Reading your response makes me feel utterly horrible about myself.  I shall give up this thread. I feel utterly horrible about myself BECAUSE I realize that my efforts at effectively expressing myself have failed absolutely and spectacularly. I have proved to myself that I am a useless turd.

Oh, stop it.  Enough already.  You do this any time someone calls you on your more irritating habits.  Doesn’t work with me.  I’ve heard it from too many other males, IRL.  That dog don’t hunt. Believe me or not.  … given my inability to convey antything .. who cares! I give up trying to express myself. I have nothing left to offer, here at ASAD.

That’s crap, and you know it.  You’re actually quite good at expressing yourself.  You just don’t want to hear what others think about what you’re expressing. If you’re not conveying the message you intend to convey, look at *why* it’s coming across differently than you meant.  Then go back and re-word it.  Simple as that. Kitten

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snipped (I haven’t yet.  … I will) I could point out that your response, at odds from what you intended ( assuming such ) strong works to make feel utterly worthless.. … ( My re-action is apt to feel even more pathetic about myself. )  This isn’t happening.  Don’t worry. Good.  Because it’s meant to make you take a good, honest look at yourself, so you know juat what it is that’s so exasperating, so you can STOP DOING IT and work on better ways of dealing with things. Whyat DOES HAPPEN is the following. Reading your response makes me feel utterly horrible about myself.  I shall give up this thread. I feel utterly horrible about myself BECAUSE I realize that my efforts at effectively expressing myself have failed absolutely and spectacularly. I have proved to myself that I am a useless turd. Oh, stop it.  Enough already.  You do this any time someone calls you on your more irritating habits.  Doesn’t work with me.  I’ve heard it from too many other males, IRL.  That dog don’t hunt. Believe me or not.  … given my inability to convey antything .. who cares! I give up trying to express myself. I have nothing left to offer, here at ASAD. That’s crap, and you know it.  You’re actually quite good at expressing yourself.  You just don’t want to hear what others think about what you’re expressing. If you’re not conveying the message you intend to convey, look at *why* it’s coming across differently than you meant.  Then go back and re-word it.  Simple as that.

O.K. How about  …   You ram your own opinion down everyone else’s throat and don’t realize it. The ‘insanity’ of the Raving Loonie is appreciate and respect that you are trying to help; that you are trying to offer the best that you have to provide. The Raving Loonie’s ability is to recognize, appreciate, and accept a point-of-view. The Raving Loonie is driven to insanity because everyone else ( and Kittten is just one very, very, very, very small part of that "everyone else" … Notice, how I respect and act to protect KITTEN’S POINT-OF-VIEW, eh? ) The Raving Loonie is driven to insanity because everyone else have their heads jammed,  so friggin’ far up their own asses that they are only cognizant of their own point of view. Oh, but it doesn’t stop there  … No sir.   The Raving Loonie is such a stupid bugger and to respect and appreciate that <other people have other gifts  …. that other people neither "carfe" nor are capable of perceiving, accepting, respecting or even acknowledging the valid existence of a point-of-view other than their own. Notwithstanding, EVEN THIS  … Not even unto the fucking OCD child psychiatrist Canadian ADD specialist … fucking … Ggggggggggggggggg-Ooooooooooooooooooo-Dddddddddddddd. Who is so friggin hot-to-trot with his own opinion that even  raping kiddies of their own sense of self is insufficient to bolster his sense of self. He just tossed the Raving Loonie 2 weeks after Raving’s mum died  …. because Raving wanted to ’stand up’ for himself’ in the world  … because Raving wanted to BE RAVING and exercise RAVING’S OWN SUBJECTIVE OPINION. The God damnded fucking expert who KNEW BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE WHAT WAS GOING ON …. was swo fucking wrapped upo in his own universe that the told the adult ADD patient to FOAD becuase the kiddie-shrink-a-dink felt frustrated that he couldn’t act. Guess what? THE RAVING LOONIE IS FUCKING INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE INSANE   … Everyone knows it  … ESPECIALLY the ADD Child psychiatrist shrink-a-dink who DOESN’T shrink adults anymore. I wonder why, eh? But good ol’ Raving  … he knows what to do  … NOT that he has any choice in the matter ZERO CHOICE. The choice Raving has is to damn himself or damn himself  <snigger PLUS  … EVERYTHUNG< EVERYTHING is Raving’s fault. Nope. … With certainty, Raving was thrown to the wolves. Former shrink-a-dink and ADD expert told Raving … "Raving, I look forward to day when you tell me that you don’t need me any more. … " My mother drops dead.  … I point out that I feel insecure aboutg asserting exutorship of my mother’s estate.  My mother was a control freak who was incapable of having anyone else have their own opinion. Former shrink-a-dink candidly tells me … "Raving, you know that your mother is INSANE" I understood my mother.  … I loved her dearly.  … I was so fucking desperate to act and think and decide and take responsibility for myself  (  hah , hah, hah,   … so very, very, veryt ADD eh ) My former shrink-a-dink and ADD expert said … "Raving, I don’t need you as a patient anymore … bye. " And Raving Loonie is left to hold all the responsibility whilst former shrinkp-a-dink runs away. I am sick to death. No more posting tgo Usenet. Ann says that I am just bullshitting. Probably  … I hope to fuck not. My appologies for not answering any further correspondence or whatvever. I feel terrible about T1  .. I can do nothing. Qouting … who says what EVERYONE says ( not personal ) A few people in my family have varying *mental illnesses* and IMO- *crazy* people DON’T THINK they’re crazy!! I’ve found that most often- they think *they* are the ones who make sense. The beauty of delusion. Do you think RL posts such whining, self-loathing posts because he wants someone to empathize with him? or do you think he posts them just to evoke neg. reactions (ie:a masochist)? Yes My own subjectitive opinion is total garbage… I am fucking insane. I only whine.  .. I am passive-agressive in the extreme  … I alwayhs blame everyone else MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA MEA CULPA

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snipped I have nothing left to offer, here at ASAD. That’s crap, and you know it.  You’re actually quite good at expressing yourself.  You just don’t want to hear what others think about what you’re expressing. If you’re not conveying the message you intend to convey, look at *why* it’s coming across differently than you meant.  Then go back and re-word it.  Simple as that. O.K. How about  …   You ram your own opinion down everyone else’s throat and don’t realize it.

Oh, nice.  Is that your way of saying, "La-la-la-la-laaaa… I don’t hear you… I’m not listenin’… la-la-la-la-la-laaaa…?" IOW, you’re so tied into your opinion of what’s going on that you can’t deal with other people expressing yours.  So when someone tries to discuss something with you and they strongly disagree, you say they’re ramming their opinion down everyone else’s throat, right?  Especially if that opinion agrees with those of your wife and daughter, right? Believe it or not, there are several of us here who’ve had rather long, drawn out discussions where we CIVILLY voiced our individual opinions. Sometimes we’d all change our opinions a bit after hearing everyone else’s opinions.  Sometimes we all walked away with our opinions still unchanged. But we didn’t engage in the "poor, pitiful me" stuff.  That’s not conducive to having a civil discussion of different points of view. <snipped – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – He just tossed the Raving Loonie 2 weeks after Raving’s mum died  …. because Raving wanted to ’stand up’ for himself’ in the world  … because Raving wanted to BE RAVING and exercise RAVING’S OWN SUBJECTIVE OPINION. <snipped Former shrink-a-dink and ADD expert told Raving … "Raving, I look forward to day when you tell me that you don’t need me any more. … " My mother drops dead.  … I point out that I feel insecure aboutg asserting exutorship of my mother’s estate.  My mother was a control freak who was incapable of having anyone else have their own opinion. Former shrink-a-dink candidly tells me … "Raving, you know that your mother is INSANE" I understood my mother.  … I loved her dearly.  … I was so fucking desperate to act and think and decide and take responsibility for myself  (  hah , hah, hah,   … so very, very, veryt ADD eh ) My former shrink-a-dink and ADD expert said … "Raving, I don’t need you as a patient anymore … bye. " And Raving Loonie is left to hold all the responsibility whilst former shrinkp-a-dink runs away.

<snipped Sounds to me like you were on the verge of taking care of things on your own.  You were getting ready to act on your own, to think for yourself, to take responsibility.  You had improved to a point where the doc felt you didn’t need him anymore. And you’re angry with him for it? C’mon.  What are you *really* so upset about? Kitten

Response:

Oh, nice.  Is that your way of saying, "La-la-la-la-laaaa… I don’t hear you… I’m not listenin’… la-la-la-la-la-laaaa…?"

Whatever I say will be construed as me whining, feeling pity for myself, being self interested, being crazy, being unreasonable, craving pity … I have lost hope. I give up. Nothing left to post .  It has all died.   Silence.

Response:

<snipped Sounds to me like you were on the verge of taking care of things on your own.  You were getting ready to act on your own, to think for yourself, to take responsibility.  You had improved to a point where the doc felt you didn’t need him anymore. And you’re angry with him for it?

My former ADD specialist, no longer treats adults with ADD. I guess that feeding his sense of "self" from the trusting ADD adult isn’t good enough. Nope.  Now, it’s just defenseless kiddies.  … Their sense of ’self’ is even more fragile. Goodbye Kitten.   I am quite useless  and participating in Usenet just makes me feel like killing myself. Of course, NOT participating in Usenset also makes me feel like killing myself. You know how it is …   Life is a bitch and then you die. I hope to God that I am out of here. GOODBYE. GOOD LUCK, CHEERIO

Response:

Reading your response makes me feel utterly horrible about myself.  I shall give up this thread. I feel utterly horrible about myself BECAUSE I realize that my efforts at effectively expressing myself have failed absolutely and spectacularly. I have proved to myself that I am a useless turd. Believe me or not.  … given my inability to convey antything .. who cares! I give up trying to express myself.

If only you would.  It gets old, RL, you aren’t looking to improve, you just want a platform to post your constant whining.  I really can’t imagine how it must be to live with someone like you, so self-focused.  As I’ve said to you many times, it really isn’t all about you and ADHD, it’s just all about you. — Ann e-mail address is not checked

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Reading your response makes me feel utterly horrible about myself.  I shall give up this thread. I feel utterly horrible about myself BECAUSE I realize that my efforts at effectively expressing myself have failed absolutely and spectacularly. I have proved to myself that I am a useless turd. Believe me or not.  … given my inability to convey antything .. who cares! I give up trying to express myself. If only you would.  It gets old, RL, you aren’t looking to improve, you just want a platform to post your constant whining.  I really can’t imagine how it must be to live with someone like you, so self-focused.  As I’ve said to you many times, it really isn’t all about you and ADHD, it’s just all about you.

Oh, look …   Ann is whining and doesn’t realize it.

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snipped Uhm, yeah.  I can see where they would feel that you’re  being this way.  And I can see where it would drive them absolutely bonkers. You LIKE feeling useless. You REVEL in it. You want the rest of us with ADHD to join you in WALLOWING in your *perceived* uselessness. "Above" is what you observe of me. Fair enough. Let’s suppose that my DW and DD perceive me this way.   You can sympathize with their going gonzo.  Good.  :-) Well, considering that’s *exactly* what you post here… "Below" is what you infer about me.  See below for further elaboration :-) You’re one of the people who uses ADHD like a flag, like banner, proudly waving overhead, proclaiming that you can’t function because you have ADHD.  Aaarrgghhh!!!! 1) Nope. Nice try. As they say at cards  … "Go fish."   :) Again, this observation is from what/how you post here.  You’re constantly posting about how you’re useless, ineffectual, whatever, and it’s all because you have ADD.  Hogwash! If you are useless and ineffectual, as you say here that you are, it’s because you *choose* to be useless and ineffectual.  There’s a *huge* difference between having challenges and allowing those challenges to determine who/what you are. ADHD and the accompanying challenges can be a wonderful blessing, or it can be an insufferable curse.  The choice is up to each of us who "suffer" (blech!) with ADHD.  It is up to *us* to decide if it is a blessing or a curse, if we are going to focus on the positive aspects of ADHD or on the negative. 2) I like the thought of adopting what you infer. There is some pleasure in being smug about such a thing.  Yet, stitting there with a smirk whilst I am being screamed at is like being in purgatory.  .. It’s like taking just half of a step in the correct direction.  What I really, really care to express but cannot find the words  .. or … thoughts  … or… act it out and through… IS THE NEXT STEP. Yes, I am acknowledging that I have ADD.  .. I am being confident and assured in that.   … Good, good, good,     (Now screaming at you)~~~  ….NOW I WANT TO ACT, TOOTS!!!! HOW THE FIG DO I ACT WHEN I RECOGNIZE THAT I HAVE BEEN EMASCULATED If you feel emasculated, it is because you CHOOSE to.  ADHD hasn’t emasculated you.  Your wife and daughter yelling at you hasn’t emasculated you.  *YOU* are the only person who can emasculate you. … Somehow,  deep down, I "know" the answer.  I wish to make that awareness, overt. Given the choice of being … a) apathetic b) smug and smirking at my own fecklessness   … IMO "Smug & smirking" is one huge half step for the better. Bravo. How about a different choice?  How about working *with* your ADHD?  How about utilizing the good qualities and minimizing the challenging ones? And so important of all ~~~ Onwards to the next step `~~~ ACTING …. lest we forget.)  [ Strange, how I really had to push myself to spit this final step out into words.  Moreover, I included this paragraph only AFTER I had written this posting (I.E. this is an edit to improve clarity ) Action is good.  It’s oh, so much better than sitting there feeling sorry for yourself. 3) From what I have read of Kitten’s postings ….  Kitten also comes across as a proud and longstanding member of the "Useless Turds Society"  <w Pardon? <sharpens claws 4) Another thing that I am having great difficulty in describing is …   Why do I feel so "smug, smirking and confident".  … I wish to describe something sincere, hard nosed and objective, here.   … There is NO EMOTION.  … There is no passive-agressive nonsense involved. I have no idea why you’re so "smug, smirking, and confident."

Healthy interpersonal relationships must be founded upon mutual respect— IOW—"I’m Ok,  your OK". the attributes of what some call ADHD are one’s which some people attempt to exploit as a means to sucker people with the attributes of what some call ADHD into accepting unhealthy personal interactions—where the predator is OK,  the person with ADHD is NOT OK. the healthy response by a person with ADHD—is my response I’m Ok—and,  anyone who says otherwise is NOT OK. Which results in mentally healthy people with aDHD having conflicts, then rejecting all the people who attempt to exploit their attributes to sucker them into psychopathic zero sum games ala Karpman’s drama triangle. RL has an aversion to conflict–and,  rejecting OP. RL’s aversion to conflict—and aversion to rejecting OP incites him to "stoop to conquer". When OP dump their " I’m Ok,  your NOT ok" BS on RL—he tells such people they are right…with the same smirk,  smugness and arrogance that possesses his would be predators to assert "I’m ok,  your not ok". Which enrages the smirky,  smug, arrogant predators who sought to exploit his differences to manipulate him.

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Reading your response makes me feel utterly horrible about myself.  I shall give up this thread. I feel utterly horrible about myself BECAUSE I realize that my efforts at effectively expressing myself have failed absolutely and spectacularly. I have proved to myself that I am a useless turd. Believe me or not.  … given my inability to convey antything .. who cares! I give up trying to express myself. If only you would.  It gets old, RL, you aren’t looking to improve, you just want a platform to post your constant whining.  I really can’t imagine how it must be to live with someone like you, so self-focused.  As I’ve said to you many times, it really isn’t all about you and ADHD, it’s just all about you. Oh, look …  Ann is whining and doesn’t realize it.

I know you are but what am I? — Ann e-mail address is not checked

Response:

<snipped When OP dump their " I’m Ok,  your NOT ok" BS on RL—he tells such people they are right…with the same smirk,  smugness and arrogance that possesses his would be predators to assert "I’m ok,  your not ok". Which enrages the smirky,  smug, arrogant predators who sought to exploit his differences to manipulate him.

But here, in this group, he is being told that he *is* OK.  The only person saying he’s not OK is RL himself.  Everyone else is ready for him to realize that he’s OK and that he *can* be successful at whatever he tries. Kitten

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Reading your response makes me feel utterly horrible about myself.  I shall give up this thread. I feel utterly horrible about myself BECAUSE I realize that my efforts at effectively expressing myself have failed absolutely and spectacularly. I have proved to myself that I am a useless turd. Believe me or not.  … given my inability to convey antything .. who cares! I give up trying to express myself. If only you would.  It gets old, RL, you aren’t looking to improve, you just want a platform to post your constant whining.  I really can’t imagine how it must be to live with someone like you, so self-focused.  As I’ve said to you many times, it really isn’t all about you and ADHD, it’s just all about you. Oh, look …  Ann is whining and doesn’t realize it. I know you are but what am I?

I guess that you just go ahead and accept things that way that they are.   " … but what am I? " Oh, that one easy. You are the sort of person who isn’t in the habit of asking questions of the form "… but what am I? "    .. You don’t think about it. You don’t care. It is whatever it is … You go on from there.   You take it for granted. I have great respect for how you perceive things.  …  You are aware of subjectivity at a very deep and abstract level.   .. and seem to be quite igorant of it. You don’t consider who you are. You simply take it AS GRANTED. Is this your skill?  .. I don’t know.  Maybe.  It took me perhaps 10 hours to figure out that MW was the ‘Goddess of Cluefullness’. That would be great. I’ll then be able to get one of those t-shirts that say, "Unlike you, I have a clue." :-)

It took me 10 hours to became to recognize that this is the essence of MothWrangler:    "Unlike you, I have a clue." :-)  There are two parts a)  " Unlike you, …    <~~~  "A whine" b)    … I have a clue." :-)   <~~~~ The essence of MothWrangler’s awareness.  … Her skill. That which is important.  …  Ann is whining and doesn’t realize it. I know you are but what am I?

a) " I know you are … "  <~~~  "A whine" b) … but what am I? "  <~~~~ a bullshit statement. The point being that you don’t care what you are  … The point being that RL’s whining is noise to you  … contentless bullshit. What are you?  … aside from an essential truth that "You don’t care" having much-to-do-with-it And those comments I made quite a while ago …   I am not quite sure.  The question remains open and nagging for me. Cordially, RL

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Reading your response makes me feel utterly horrible about myself.  I shall give up this thread. I feel utterly horrible about myself BECAUSE I realize that my efforts at effectively expressing myself have failed absolutely and spectacularly. I have proved to myself that I am a useless turd. Believe me or not.  … given my inability to convey antything .. who cares! I give up trying to express myself. If only you would.  It gets old, RL, you aren’t looking to improve, you just want a platform to post your constant whining.  I really can’t imagine how it must be to live with someone like you, so self-focused.  As I’ve said to you many times, it really isn’t all about you and ADHD, it’s just all about you. Oh, look …  Ann is whining and doesn’t realize it. I know you are but what am I? I guess that you just go ahead and accept things that way that they are.   " … but what am I? " Oh, that one easy. You are the sort of person who isn’t in the habit of asking questions of the form "… but what am I? "    .. You don’t think about it. You don’t care. It is whatever it is … You go on from there.   You take it for granted. I have great respect for how you perceive things.  …  You are aware of subjectivity at a very deep and abstract level.   .. and seem to be quite igorant of it. You don’t consider who you are. You simply take it AS GRANTED. Is this your skill?  .. I don’t know.  Maybe.  It took me perhaps 10 hours to figure out that MW was the ‘Goddess of Cluefullness’. That would be great. I’ll then be able to get one of those t-shirts that say, "Unlike you, I have a clue." :-) It took me 10 hours to became to recognize that this is the essence of MothWrangler:    "Unlike you, I have a clue." :-)  There are two parts a)  " Unlike you, …    <~~~  "A whine" b)    … I have a clue." :-)   <~~~~ The essence of MothWrangler’s awareness.

Opus Hugr —- Heathen— who believes,  unlike others,   they are the enlightened ones- nee have a clue. Opus = work of,  Hugr = mind/spirit Opus Dei——- Christian——-who believes,  unlike others,  they are the enlightened ones- nee have a clue. Opus = work of,   Dei =Deus—God.- (the word Hugr is Norse/Germanic)  … Her skill. That which is important.  …

err,  what’s important is that her self-serving,  skewed, non-factual/delusional belief  is her excuse,  rationale, justification for her  "Mothwrangling"

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snipped When OP dump their " I’m Ok,  your NOT ok" BS on RL—he tells such people they are right…with the same smirk,  smugness and arrogance that possesses his would be predators to assert "I’m ok,  your not ok". Which enrages the smirky,  smug, arrogant predators who sought to exploit his differences to manipulate him. But here, in this group, he is being told that he *is* OK.  The only person saying he’s not OK is RL himself.  Everyone else is ready for him to realize that he’s OK and that he *can* be successful at whatever he tries.

Errh … I think that I will simply let SMFPTF speak on my behalf, here … She seems to do it effectively, reasonably and accurately. Moreover, for some reason, I cannot bring myself to converse with her directly. a) It doesn’t seem to be necessary. b) Conversing directly seems inappropriate. I feel a strong need to respect a marked degree of independence between us.    … Very strange, indeed.   Cordially, RL

Response:

Related Posts

Leave a Reply