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But using your argument about numbers and reasons behind the killings, lets apply it to Israel today. The hideous reasons behind the systematic extermination of palestinians is, if not worse, just as bad as Hitlers. Religious bigotry and racism is a particularly vulgar reason for the Israelis to attemp the genocide they wish so ardently. I for one speak up against this genocide, lest they come for you or me. Shamir just a couple days ago admitted the reason for the settlements was for religious and Zionistic goals. Remember if you try and rebutt these argument, not to use ad hominem attacks. Or the argument you used earlier, that numbers don’t count.

        Oh?  I don’t recall the Israeli government calling for the extermination of all Arabs world-wide.         I’m not as "up" on current events as I’d like to be, but I really don’t think that Israel is pursuing a plan of genocide….  If you could tell me what you mean (I think e-mail is preferable), I would like to address that.  I do know that Israel doesn’t like their presence, but to make any stronger statement, I would need more facts.         Oh, BTW, isn’t "palestinians" an incorrect term?  I thought the country of Palestine was dissolved in, like, 1949, and became Israel…. Speaker enough for now, George Martin        It’s too much already. -.-

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the Israelis and PACS such as AIPAC don’t seem to concerned with the blacks or gypsys that were slaughtered. its just the Jews they care about, and they always try and point out how many were killed.

Although I would agree the world would be a nicer place if we all concerned ourself equally with all our fellow humans your implication is that this is somehow a uniquely detestable act of these groups. Let me ask you something:         1. How many Turks served in WWII? How many (rough numbers,         orders of magnitude) died in battle? For that matter, which         side did they fight on (let’s start easy)?         2. How many Australians died in Vietnam (1966-1974)?         How many served? It doesn’t justify anything, but once we look at the questions you raise more broadly it’s easy to see that cultural groups tend to be far more concerned with those very close to them. Somehow, I don’t think that was your point. I would also challenge you to find an American textbook on WWII that even mentions any blacks being killed by the Nazis as part of their extermination program. Oh, right, the zionists edit all the textbooks… This was rather thin stuff, Mr. Speaker (?!) —         -Barry Shein Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202        | Login: 617-739-WRLD

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I have more information on the "death books" from Auschwitz that the Russians released to the Red Cross.  The books that the Red Cross doesn’t want released because it would help the Revisionists.  The 46 death books covering the years 1942 completely, 1943 almost completely, and 1944 incompletely, shows a total of – 74,000 – thats seventy four thousand, deaths by ALL causes in Auschwitz during those years.    I’m not sure, does it really make a big difference exactly how many were killed?  Isn’t the death of one person a terrible thing?  I’m not a historian, but I do remember that Hitler’s goal was the purification- in his own ideals – of the human race.  Jews, homosexuals, and everyone who wasn’t like Hitler’s ideal were eventually slated to die.  It’s the ideas behind the actions that are almost more repugnant.

Yes it seems like it makes a difference to the Jews. Who continually argue how many died. I don’t know how many died. But the reasons behind it were horrendous as you say. But as you well know, the Israelis and PACS such as AIPAC don’t seem to concerned with the blacks or gypsys that were slaughtered. its just the Jews they care about, and they always try and point out how many were killed. But using your argument about numbers and reasons behind the killings, lets apply it to Israel today. The hideous reasons behind the systematic extermination of palestinians is, if not worse, just as bad as Hitlers. Religious bigotry and racism is a particularly vulgar reason for the Israelis to attemp the genocide they wish so ardently. I for one speak up against this genocide, lest they come for you or me. Shamir just a couple days ago admitted the reason for the settlements was for religious and Zionistic goals. Remember if you try and rebutt these argument, not to use ad hominem attacks. Or the argument you used earlier, that numbers don’t count. Speaker enough for now, George Martin    It’s too much already. -.-

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MARTIN: Ron Evans has some of the strangest answers. One thing he asks is if I believe Israel has nuclear weapons;

        It seems you require a different standard of proof         for your belief in Israel’s nuclear capability         than you do for the Nazi’s gassing of Jews.         I don’t think there is much doubt in anybody’s         mind that this is best explained by your detestable         anti-semitism.  Your inability to         fathom why victims in the gas chambers would         back away from rising gas shows incredible         obtuseness.  I don’t see how Dan Gannon can         support such abomination without intense         embarrassment. —

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   This is a completely asinine statement – do we yet know if Iraq has nuclear capabilities?  They lost the war, and the UN has access to their records.  It’s all a matter of subterfusion on the part of the conquered country.  You make it sounds as if Germany gladly handed over all of their records to the Allies.

The problem with that argument is that Iraq was never conquered, it never surrendered.  That’s not what the military action was.  And as Schwarzkopf said, if it HAD been the goal, Baghdad would have been a ripe fruit to pick. Because they retain their sovereignty is exactly why they can still play run-arounds.  It think it was a big mistake to fight a war and not finish it: the same mistake, in fact, as was made in Vietnam.  Kurds died, Hussein stayed, and Iraq got leeway to try and make a Bomb. Israel has the Bomb.  In fact, so does Syria, though that’s not as well known.

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Barry Shein starts his next post making fun of the supposedly "efficient Germans."

Mr. Shein made fun of no one, except perhaps your own failures. The quote "efficient Germans" was a quote from your text, not mine, I was distancing myself from your racist remarks against Germans. Interesting that now you add "supposedly", here is the original quote from your text: Why would the efficient Germans want to tatoo someone and then kill them right away?

But anyone who doubts you are a liar at this point is a fool, and there’s not much we can do for fools except pity them. I assume your other "facts" and "quotes" have precisely the same veracity as what you tried to pull right here, attributing your own hateful words to someone else. The truth is out, Mr. Martin. —         -Barry Shein Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202        | Login: 617-739-WRLD

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After reading the replies to my answers to "extensive documentation on the Holocaust," I have only one thing to say;  I hope if any of you loose your jobs, you don’t go into the field of investigation. Detectives you aren’t.

Really?  I counted 19 paragraphs of text.  It sounds like you’re saying considerably more than one thing.  Or are you implying that despite the huge number of words you’ve generated, you really aren’t saying anything? Ron Evans has some of the strangest answers. One thing he asks is if I believe Israel has nuclear weapons; …find someone who can produce a teensy weensy photo or construction plan?"  If we had just taken over Israel by an occuping army, I’m sure after we had access to all their records we could do that.

Hm.  The last time I flamed one of your messages you were saying that "If Israel didn’t exist we wouldn’t have all the problems we do in that area." I thought that statement was a significant high in silliness, but this one rivals it, indeed.  After both of these, I wonder what you do when you’re not posting.  An interesting picture comes to mind of you throwing darts at a map of Israel, "After a hard day at the printing press, George takes time off and relaxes by playing his favorite wargame, `Sinai Storm.’  Things don’t go well tonight and he loses, so he vents his frustrations by sticking pins in his Yitzhak Shamir doll, then goes to sleep for the night." So, what’s the story?  Why do you have this seeming fixation with Israel? Is it related to your holocaust endeavours somehow?  What’s the Big Picture here, George? And, since you used the past tense, when exactly was it that you thought you could have taken over Israel with an occupying army?  By "we" do you mean you, the Revisionist’s society and their private army, the U.S., NATO, the U.N., or some other group?   Or was the past tense a mistake?  Is this an idea you’re proposing for the future.  We can settle the holocaust debate once and for all by taking over Israel and interrogating every Jew till we get one to admit he started it all as a joke back in 1946 and it’s gone out of control since then.  Is that the idea? I love the long list (599) of "Historians".  Most of which wrote their "history" from reading others books without checking on the original documents.

THEY "read other people’s books." HE "checks on the original documents." Hmmmmm.  A book isn’t a document?  Your documents are more reliable than their books?  The people who wrote your documents are more reliable than the people who wrote their books?  I think I missed something here. I don’t want to argue about the Holocaust, George, since I have better things to do with my time.  So I won’t.  But I will ask WHY do you go on about it so much?  Might I venture a guess that you see the Holocaust story as an attempt to prop up Israel, and attack it because you don’t like Israel? Whatever your motives, your views of Israel and related U.S. foreign policy seem ill-founded, illogical, narrow-minded and isolationist.  The thought frightens me that people out there, stretching to be nice and find something reasonable in your posts, might pick up on this "down homey" sort of view. If enough of you thought that way your government might be even more inclined towards ugly misdeeds abroad.  This is very worrying, indeed.  Would you mind getting a bit more in touch with the real world, George? — _| |V| /|_  Steve Bougerolle, U. of British Columbia Physics Dept.  | |/  /   and the OPAL experiment, CERN, Geneva CH

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Ron Evans has some of the strangest answers. One thing he asks is if I believe Israel has nuclear weapons; …find someone who can produce a teensy weensy photo or construction plan?"  If we had just taken over Israel by an occuping army, I’m sure after we had access to all their records we could do that.

        This is a completely asinine statement – do we yet know if Iraq has nuclear capabilities?  They lost the war, and the UN has access to their records.  It’s all a matter of subterfusion on the part of the conquered country.  You make it sounds as if Germany gladly handed over all of their records to the Allies. I have more information on the "death books" from Auschwitz that the Russians released to the Red Cross.  The books that the Red Cross doesn’t want released because it would help the Revisionists.  The 46 death books covering the years 1942 completely, 1943 almost completely, and 1944 incompletely, shows a total of – 74,000 – thats seventy four thousand, deaths by ALL causes in Auschwitz during those years.

        I’m not sure, does it really make a big difference exactly how many were killed?  Isn’t the death of one person a terrible thing?  I’m not a historian, but I do remember that Hitler’s goal was the purification- in his own ideals – of the human race.  Jews, homosexuals, and everyone who wasn’t like Hitler’s ideal were eventually slated to die.  It’s the ideas behind the actions that are almost more repugnant. enough for now, George Martin

        It’s too much already. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –.-

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against the advice of his generals.  Not exactly correct.  The Russians were mounting a huge force which was about to attack Germany in a couple of weeks.  Germany just took the advantage and attacked first. A good move on their part.  They would have prefered to let Russia sit on the sidelines for as long as possible.

So, it follows that even *if* Israel fired the first shot in the 1967 war, that it was "a good move on their part"? No – impossible!  You’d never say something positive about Israel. You’d say that Israel would be wrong to believe all of the outward signs and attack pre-emptively. But you Nazis – being the bunch of menacing nutzos you are – are so certain that Hiter was right.  So, what is *your* final solution? What would end this so-called "Zionist conspiracy" of yours?   —                                       < Lionel Lionel D. Hummel, Software Engineer                         [H] (217) 344-8713 Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center               [W] (217) 384-8511

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After reading the replies to my answers to "extensive documentation on the Holocaust," I have only one thing to say;  I hope if any of you loose your jobs, you don’t go into the field of investigation. Detectives you aren’t. I mostly got the standard runaround that you all accuse me of doing (which I don’t). The usual anti-semitic and Neo-Nazi name calling (if you don’t have any answers, use a little mame calling). I quote facts and figures about how unreliable the witnesses were (many under oath) and no one bats an eyelash. If I was presented with such evidence and was not convinced already, I would at least start to wonder. How anyone could believe some of the completely crazy things they say and still believe it makes me wonder about the sanity of some of you out there. Ron Evans has some of the strangest answers. One thing he asks is if I believe Israel has nuclear weapons; …find someone who can produce a teensy weensy photo or construction plan?"  If we had just taken over Israel by an occuping army, I’m sure after we had access to all their records we could do that. For most of the replies, refer to my opening statement about future employment. About two different people having different stories about the same thing; the story quoted has the woman involved naked in the second version. Something I think someone would probably mention.  Remember my quote about Muller’s story being full of sex orgys? Mark Steinberger says to donate money to the Holocaust Museum in Washington.  For one thing, it will wind up costing taxpayers money, and for another thing, why on earth do we have a Holocaust museum in our national capitol?  It happened in Europe, to Europeans.  It has nothing to do with us.  Another example showing the power of the Zionists. I love the long list (599) of "Historians".  Most of which wrote their "history" from reading others books without checking on the original documents.  Some have changed their stories over the years to try and get in synch with new discoveries going against their origional stories. A Mr. Hans Rancke-Madsen shows a healthy questioning attitude to many questions and answers. Eric Perlman says the IHR "in scholarly circles…has zero credibility."  He would be surprised to know how many historians (including Jews) if not in public at least in private, talk to some of the IHR historians (in a friendly way). Barry Shein wants to know the name of the Jew who was a top person in the Nazi party. How about Alfred Rosenberg (German Minister for the Occupied East). Other top Nazis started to complain about how their special Jew had gotten them into so much trouble near the end of the war. The answers to the "tatoo" quote, are as usual, way off the point.  The reason I bring it up is to show why having a tatoo is in no way an indication of a intent to kill them.  Just the opposite.  Barry Shein states; "Why would we brand steers which we only plan to kill for food?"  Because the owner doesn’t want them to be stolen, and therefore lose any value they have to him.  In other words, he wants them to stay around for a while. Michel Fingerhut says it is difficult to find documents proving the Holocaust because the "Germans…started liquidating lots of documents early on an even more later…"  Of course the Germans, being so efficient,  managed to destroy probably millions of of original and copies of the origionals. Also killing nearly everyone who had anything to do with "gas chambers" and the "final Solution" question. I thing we have a problem here! Barry Shein starts his next post making fun of the supposedly "efficient Germans."  Making statements trying to rationalize the wierd statements made by "witnesses" about the strange things the Germans did to them and made them do.  He says. "…the rest of us do not work from the assumption that the Nazis were acting rationally in any way." Whooo, let me get this straight, when Jewish "surivivors" or authors say something odd, the Germans were crazy, not them.  When their is NO evidence for what they say, the Germans were superhuman in efficiency and made no mistakes?   Erasing every shred of evidence. I think I got it.  Maybe if I sleep on it I will understand. against the advice of his generals.  Not exactly correct.  The Russians were mounting a huge force which was about to attack Germany in a couple of weeks.  Germany just took the advantage and attacked first. A good move on their part.  They would have prefered to let Russia sit on the sidelines for as long as possible. He also asks, "If the Nazis had only intended to deport the Jews, and IF only a few had died, mainly due to the nasty Allies war against Germany, why would the Nazis, and especially the people who ran the camps, have anything to fear?  I mean surely they could let the evidence speak for itself?"  The answer to that is: that is exactly what they expected.  It was the Allies who falsfied the evidence against them.  Hard to beat a stacked deck.  Of course more than "only a few died."  But as I said, it was not a all out effort to kill all Jews. I have more information on the "death books" from Auschwitz that the Russians released to the Red Cross.  The books that the Red Cross doesn’t want released because it would help the Revisionists.  The 46 death books covering the years 1942 completely, 1943 almost completely, and 1944 incompletely, shows a total of – 74,000 – thats seventy four thousand, deaths by ALL causes in Auschwitz during those years. I would also like some information on the quote that the Simon Weisenthal center has released the statement that there were no gassings at Auschwitz, but there were chambers constructed.  I will not use any such information unless it can be substantiated. As a closing statement, which I am sure will be put up as being "Neo- Nazi,";  Since you all like to talk about such, I have dozens of newspaper clippings and such showing that quite a few of the Swastika- painting, Jewish graveyard incidents, and incidents attributed to Skinheads are staged by other Jews to reinforce the case against those persons. So when ever you read about such, don’t automatically jump to conclusions about who the perpetrators are. enough for now, George Martin -.- Banished CPU supports FREEDOM OF SPEECH.  Currently no fees. CALL:  +1(503) 232-6566 (8N1) [MNP/v32/v42/v42bis available] UUCP:  Path (..twiki!b-cpu) "ELIMINATED" BY ZIONIST THOUGHT POLICE!!! 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