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Question:

Carl, or someone he is in league with, driven as he is, has attacked your computers, perhaps using the proxy I do, to make it APPEAR I have done these things.

Occam’s Razor, bubby, means that the simplest solution is the most likely one, in the absence of any other contravening evidence. And the evidence is, YOU ARE ATTACKING US, since it’s *your* proxy and *your* accounts doing all this shit. So quit it. And I think you and Vickie can resume whatever pasty-faced lives you are living. Carl — I promise to change my sig lines as often as I change my underwear. – CASalonen

Response:

Carl, or someone he is in league with, driven as he is, has attacked your computers, perhaps using the proxy I do, to make it APPEAR I have done these things. Occam’s Razor, bubby, means that the simplest solution is the most likely one, in the absence of any other contravening evidence.

Guess what buddy? We can apply Occam’s Razor here no problem, but first let’s assemble all the circumstantial evidence then see where simplicity lies. And I am not writing this for your benefit, but for those you have misled into believing you are their friend. And the evidence is, YOU ARE ATTACKING US, since it’s *your* proxy and *your* accounts doing all this shit.

Really? My proxy? Which one? Just as easy for you or another to access as we do. Public proxies babe, not ours in any sense of the word. Our accounts? Which ones? The ones you have admitted (or know who did) to hacking into. Our current ones? Babaloo 75 and Victoria 115? And exactly how do you send mailicious software or scripts through HTTP 1.1 protocols? That’s all we use these proxies for, posting in here. Never have used the email, have you?. But look – we do know that you and/or someone else hacked our old accounts. Looks a little fishy Carl. Secondarily, we were content to appeal to the better nature of posters here, at least I was, Victoria gave that up and traded you flame for flame and didn’t back down to you or your lackeys. Man, that pissed you off huh? That enraged you! Here was someone you couldn’t intimidate! Here was someone that was telling the truth and INSULTING the GREAT CARL DE VALOIS. Ha! So folks, who has demonstrated an ego the size of the world trade center here? Who has done some actual hacking of Deja accounts? Who has anything to gain by trying to blackmail us out of here? Who brags about all he can do with computers? I think we all know who that finger points to. Carl. What do we have to gain by going to the trouble of doing all he accuses us? Like I want to look at your hard drives? Like I really care? Ask yourselves this, who has demonstrated for a very long time an incredibly intolerant and vindictive nature on this newsgroup to many many individuals? Ask yourselves who has anything to gain by accusing us of such things. And ask yourselves why we would bother. Victoria is quite content to stand her ground and trade insult for insult with the GREAT DE VALOIS, and anyone else who lectures her or takes his side. I have been happy to let her have her fun with it. But now Carl has decided to run this libelous fiction in an attempt to scare us away. Presuming any of what he says is true, that there have been actual malicious attacks, and considering ALL circumstances, it is more likely it is he who has comitted these acts against those who think he is their friend. Why? Because he is driven to WIN at any cost and he wants Victoria gone. Simple. Occam’s razor buddy. Listen, Buddy, there is nothing to win, there is no victory here to be won. The only fight you need to fight is the one that rages within you. I wish you luck with that one. Kelly, in her very eloquent post last night said watch out for who you THINK IS YOUR FRIEND. Very wise Kelly. And our apologies are extended to you for teasing you yesterday. We do understand and are horrified by what happened to you. Please understand it was that same fear of that happening to her, propelled by the threats of Carl and others (right down to claiming they had our phone number)that instigated much of what has transpired. So quit it. And I think you and Vickie can resume whatever pasty-faced lives you are living.

Quit what, Carl? Calling you on your outrageous Bullshit? That is the only transgression you can claim that has occurred. It is a transgression in your eyes alone. Flame the FLAMEMASTER?? HOW DARE THEY! And it’s that one that sticks in your gut and gnaws at you. I would have dropped this but I am acting out of concern, for if there are really attacks being made, and only you Jules know whether that is true or not, you best look elsewhere for the source, because if you settle on the fiction it is us, well you have just bought yourself a false sense of security. I am as serious as a heart attack on this matter. Believe me. This could be a good newsgroup once again. Why don’t you consider the advatages of behaving like a civilized human being, Carl? You too Starmaker. Thanks for your thoughtfullness on this matter, one and all. Bob

Response:

Oh, I beg to disagree, Bubby. You had the means, the motive, the opportunity, yaddayaddayadda…it could have been you and because the indications all point at you, it probably was you. Remember, it was one of the Gang of Four that was being stalked and harassed from precisely the same proxy you used. Yes, public, but *after* we discovered where it was coming from. Gee, Bubby…you sure suddenly got verbose and belligerent all of a sudden. Didn’t Vickie give you any last night, because she was so upset? Or maybe, just maybe, you’re afraid of what I’ve got about ready to post, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? <g Carl — I promise to change my sig lines as often as I change my underwear. – CASalonen

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Oh, I beg to disagree, Bubby. You had the means, the motive, the opportunity, yaddayaddayadda…it could have been you and because the indications all point at you, it probably was you. Remember, it was one of the Gang of Four that was being stalked and harassed from precisely the same proxy you used. Yes, public, but *after* we discovered where it was coming from. Gee, Bubby…you sure suddenly got verbose and belligerent all of a sudden. Didn’t Vickie give you any last night, because she was so upset? Or maybe, just maybe, you’re afraid of what I’ve got about ready to post, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? <g

     I’m trying still to make out what the bloody hell this is about, but from that "bloody arse" comment I’m gonna say you’re as mean as cat piss Carl. Why’re you the only one here to take some interest in my question? If ya think I’m a bloody poofter you can clark it mate.         I don’t know a bit about acting but if you yanks are it leave me out. You’re all big notin bodgy bastards. Bloody fuckin Yanks. Go fuck yerselves.

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       Looks like you all have some very bad memories. Let’s review. 1) DQ is a liar, she wrote this yesterday "Victoria, You have still to tell me how I trolled or harrassed you before you and Bob started attacking me. I was busy working, and away from this board. When I came back to this group, the flame war was well underway. In fact your original message had expired from my server and I only saw some of the originals by either clicking on Lisa’s notes or wading through the deja archives"       a simple check of the archives shows, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Victoria, I know it’s posssible, and probable, to have associates all over the world. You’re in Detroit? May I ask what agencies you’re listed with? Coop ….and what are your measurements? I have been reading your posts for some time you are a very naughty person. Don’t you think that this is rather personal information? I am not a slut. Victoria M SAG/AFTRA

<LOL Victoria, giving him your measurements wouldn’t make you a slut, …just a tease (depending of course on your measurements). Sleeping with him on the otherf hand would not only make you a slut, …it would make you a stupid slut. Something to think about, Drama Queen       You see dragonqueen you came into it immediately and treated me like some sort of sex toy for the amusement of your little pals here. Now you play all innocent. You lie.       Apparently you have not paid attention. Bob and I use a public proxy. Anyone can use a public proxy, including Starmaker. In imitating me he (Or Carl) DID use one a few times. Why do you blame us for porno and crap? The way you behave I wouldn’t think it would bother you. NO porno was sent from OUR deja accounts.  WE do not USE our ISP to post here any numbers you see in the headers can be used by anyone. As we told you at the time, we were sorry you got stuff  like that, we didn’t do it but it was no doubt part of the effort to harass and discredit US. Wake up dearie.      Next on the agenda, how about some threats? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Victoria, I know it’s posssible, and probable, to have associates all over the world. You’re in Detroit? May I ask what agencies you’re listed with? Coop ….and what are your measurements? I have been reading your posts for some time you are a very naughty person. Don’t you think that this is rather personal information? I am not a slut. Victoria M SAG/AFTRA

I’m sorry vickie. I don’t know what came over me. I’m soooooooo bad. I’ve been a very bad boy lately. Someone spank me please! Actually, Vickie, I thought that someone asking you what agency you’re listed with was more personal than my question. They want to know who *you* are, I just want to know what your body looks like, …not your face! I’m so bad, I don’t know what good is anymore. How did I get to be so bad Vickie? Do you know of anything I can do to make myself a goodier person? I wanna be good, real good! I wanna be a goodie two shoes. Can I call you Vickie?, …or is that also bad? And in the future, I wouldn’t read anything I have to say. I doubt it if there is going to be any good in it. But when ever you want bad, you know where to look, …at the sign post up ahead… your next stop… The Starmaker Ding ding, ding ding. Ding ding, ding ding. Ding ding, ding ding. Ding ding, ding ding.      THEN THERE WAS THIS FROM CARL Oh…thanks for the info on Vickie…should make it easier for Starmaker to stalk her down… Carl      AND THIS This conclusion is just too ridiculous for words. Who was about talking love? …I thought we were talking about sex.

In her mind, same thing. Poor child. Maybe because you know I am speaking the truth is why you are obsessed with tracking me down and theatening me with TOS terminations. Who the hell’s obsessed with tracking this chick down? Certainly not

I. Well, to be fair, I found out her home phone number thru her ISP. Strictly in self-defense, mind you. Babby threated me and Starmie. The first thing even approaching the truth she’s said so far. Right now, I’m hurting so badly a picket sign there might be welcomed.

Oh BAYBEEEEEEE! <waving flagpole Carl — "Micro" "Soft" Why does that sound so Freudian to me? – CASalonen      Now this junk scared  the hell out of me, and when I objected I got a dressing down from headcase Kelly, Juanna, Dayali, Whackolee, HooHooKootchee what the hell ever about WHAT REAL STALKING IS LIKE. I would think that someone who has been stalked would be sensitive to the threat of it to another woman. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, KELLY decides to – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – carl, there is  St. Johns in Jewret: St.John Vianny High School, where Victoria has been posting from or at least that’s where the trace landed me a lot of inane blather.. } } OH FUCK! Starmie, I think we’ve met before! Weren’t you "Zombie" on } alt.2600???? PSYCH! —  – kelly "I got my Doctorate in Child Psychology so I could handle Directors…"                        –Dr. Al ‘Grampa Munster’ Lewis, Ph.d

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