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Hi Debbie, Are you moving a long distance or just across town?  I assume this will be his first move… I have a 3 year old Beagle.  When my husband and I divorced last year and I moved out with Ajax, it was just like taking a child with me… it took him time to get used to the new surroundings.  I was lucky enough to find a duplex with a back yard and a fence. It is smart of you to get him a name tag and to make sure that the gate is locked.  One never knows if he could get out on his own, or just "by chance" the kids in the new neighborhood see that there is a "new friend" to play with (been there/done that) If you have sliding glass doors with a screen that goes out to your back door you might want to invest (aroud $90) in a doggie door that you can buy at like Home Base, that is as tall as your screen door and you can just slide it in and your pooch can go in out as he pleases. Ajax loves it!!   Yes, moving on animals can be stressful… make sure you have lots of his favorite toys to play with and chew on.  What you thought to be a well adjusted dog, *could* turn into a chewer and/or a "pee’er" because of moving stress…  just something to think about and watch for. DON’T baby him….DON’T make a big deal about it (moving) I’ll bet you that he will do just great and he’ll be running around the new place sniffing EVERY nook and cranny wagging his tail.  Now that is REALLY cute! I hope the move goes well! Rhonda & Ajax  :)

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Thanks so much for the article…my pup (4 mos.) was diagnosed with generalized demodex a few days ago.  He also had a fairly nasty skin infection.  My vet told me to start mitaban treatment and never mentioned that some generalized cases clear up on their own.  I am a little confused on the mitaban instructionsThe insert says mix 10.8 ml (whole bottle) with water.  My vet says 1.5cc of mitaban once a week.  Can someone tell me correct procedure?  Thanks. Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This is taken from the September, 1995 issue of Dogworld "The mitey menace of Mange".  There is much much more to this article, but for those of you who might not get to read it, here is a part I extracted to post here. Clinical illness from Demodex depends more on the age and the health status of the dog than on the activity of the mites.  Consequently, demodicosis is classified as juvenile- vs. adult-onset as well as localized vs. generalized. While a single, small patch of hair loss with redness and scaling on the face of a young pup is not unusual, it would be on a dog older than 2 years of age. Silmilarly, one spot may not be cause for alarm, but multiple areas, particularly on the feet, toes, and nailbeds, could indicate serious disease. Whever demodicosis appears on a mature dog, it is cause for concern.  Generally speaking, such dogs have som e other medical problem that has lowered their resistance and depressed their immune system, allowing mites that have lived there harmlessly for years to suddenly multiply out of control and cause inflammation.  These dogs may have a depression of their immune system from a hormonal imbalance such as Cushing’s disease, or be debilitated from a severe case of hookwor, whipworm or heartworm.  When treated, the demodicosis may resolve.     Juvenile-onset demodicosis is more commonly seen, but the course of the localized and the generalized forms are radically different.  The localized form is characterized by only a few patches of scaly, reddish spots that do not itch.     A deep skin scraping, with the skin pinched to help extrude mites     from hair follicles, will reveal many mites and often eggs and larvae as     well.  Lesions generally appear on the head, neck, and forelimbs.     Ninety percent of such pups will seelf-cure with maturity, although     lotions that slow the multiplication rates are sometimes prescribed to     speed the healing process.      Unfortunately, 10 percent of thesesame pups will PROGRESS to the      generalized form and the definition of "generalized" extends to      those pups that have several feet involved, even if the rest      of the body is free of lesions.  Indeed, some clinical researchers consider this a third form-called "pododemodicosis"-because it is frequently very      difficult to eradicate the organisms from toes and nailbeds.      Owners of such dogs are often given a guarded prognosis for cure.           Thirty to 50 percent of juvenile generalized demodicosis cases will actually self-cure without any specific anti-Demodex therapy, usually           around 1 year of age.  However, secondary bacterial infections           must be controlled, often requiring both medicated shampoos and systemic antibiotics, for healing to occur.  The remaining generalized cases, either because the mite populations are so high that bacterial infection cannot be prevented or because the dogs do not self-cure by 12-18 months of age, must           receive anti-demodex therapy.  Finally , a very small number           of these cases even prove to be refractory to currently approved           and experimental methods           Suka

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I’ve posted this before, so I’ll make it short for those who have seen my story before.  My APBT, Sonja, at 4 months was diagnosed with demodecs. Neither I or my vet wanted to use the toxic Mitaban treatment, systemically affecting to both the dog and the owner. I was unaware of any toxic side effects, the instructions/warnings warn of a small percentage of deaths (3 out of 1100) and side effects of depression 24-48 hours later (which I can confirm…) We were also not aware of any side effects to humans (when applied properly by the vet…) Can you be more specific about the dangers of amitraz (mitiban) and

In the September issue of Dogworld, "The mitey Menace of Mange" is one of my sources as to the dangers of Mitaban, as well as my vet being the other source. "Amitraz dip (Mitaban, Upjohn Company) is the only product licensed for treatment of generalized demodecosis.  As mentioned earlier, this miticide has broad systemic effects, and as a monoamine oxidase inhibitor, it also can affect humans applying the dip if they are taking other monoamine oxidase inhibitors under prescription by their doctors.  The fumes alone can affect such individuals, even if they are wearing protective clothing that adequately shields against skin contact.  For this reason, many veterinarians urge that amitraz dips be performed by hospital personnel, not at home.  However since most dogs with generalized demodicosis require an average of 10 to 12 treatments, therapy is unquestionably expensive. " "However, many dogs cannot tolerate these higher doses of amitraz.  As many as 9 percent of dogs, subjected only to the lower, approved doses of mitraz, will exhibit significant itchiness, high blood sugar levels, and/or sedation as long as three days after treatment.  This makes the product unsuitable for diabetic dogs, elderly dogs, and others with certain medical problems.  A very small number of individuals could potentially develop a profoundly low body temperature, seizures or even death.  Fortunately, an antidote (Yobine, Lloyd Laboratories) has been discovered that can reverse some of these side effects, particularly deep sedation, if given intravenously by the attending veterinarian." Please read this article if this is a topic of interest to you.  It is loaded with information on Demodectic and Sarcoptic Mange as well. Suka & Sonja APBT (Sonja’s the pup):) B – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -the documentation from which you get this information?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – } } }I will be moving in about 10-15 days,  I have a 4 year old Basset Hound }who’s only known life in an apartment.  Going out on a leash, coming }back in.  We will now have a yard.  So, I’m looking forward to letting }him run outside }Does anyone have any helpful hints or tips?  I definately will not }leave him out in the yard until I get a new Name tage for his collar. }I will be keeping padlocks on both gates so no one can let him out, and }I’m sure a basset cant jump the fence.   } }A couple of things I learned the hard way: } }1.  Take the dog out frequently when you first bring him into the new place. }Since it doesn’t smell like him, he may decide to mark a few spots to make it }smell like home <G… } }2.  Spend time in the yard with him, but don’t make a big deal out of it.  He }can sniff and run around all he wants, and even have a toy or two for outside, }but he shouldn’t think there’s anything strange about it.  Just act like "of }course you have a yard now". } }3.  Expect him to be a little insecure or easily startled the first week or }two. After that he should calm down.  Since bassets live mostly through their }nose, the new smells should become familiar pretty quickly.   } }Good luck with your move.  I’ll be moving 2 bichons frises and a cat in the }spring, 800 miles.  Oh, Joy!  <G } }Dyane in Atlanta }Mother of  Sunny & Waldo

Unless you have a neurotic basset, not to worry.  My 30 year ownership of bassets has indicated that they are totally adaptable, more than you would probably acknowledge. I once adopted a 3 yr. old basset into my house with an already resident 2 yr. old bassett.  After they partyied until 2 in the morning, you never knew they weren’t long time housemates.  Oh yes, a few of her "personal belongings" came with her, but I did not see that they had any affect.  She ignored her bed and immediately took to the couch. Main thing is to keep the outside area secure.  An open gate can mean HOURS of desparate searching.  And they totally ignore your calls. voice: (508)563-6766          Postal: P.O. Box 1027   fax: (508)457-2310                  N.Falmouth, MA 02556-1027

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I will be moving in about 10-15 days,  I have a 4 year old Basset Hound who’s only known life in an apartment.  Going out on a leash, coming back in.  We will now have a yard.  So, I’m looking forward to letting him run outside (He loves to be outside, but only gets a small patio on the second floor now!).  How can I ease the stress on him.  He will be staying at my parents house while we move, (So he doesn’t slip out a door) is there any easy way to accustom him to a new house?  I know he will be inquisitive and be sniffing around and such, but, I’m wondering about the stress factor.   Does anyone have any helpful hints or tips?  I definately will not leave him out in the yard until I get a new Name tage for his collar. I will be keeping padlocks on both gates so no one can let him out, and I’m sure a basset cant jump the fence.   I’m just worried that he may not adjust and try to run away back to the original place. Any comments or Suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  Please EMail me. Thanks.  Debbie

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I will be moving in about 10-15 days,  I have a 4 year old Basset Hound who’s only known life in an apartment.  Going out on a leash, coming back in.  We will now have a yard.  So, I’m looking forward to letting him run outside Does anyone have any helpful hints or tips?  I definately will not leave him out in the yard until I get a new Name tage for his collar. I will be keeping padlocks on both gates so no one can let him out, and I’m sure a basset cant jump the fence.  

A couple of things I learned the hard way: 1.  Take the dog out frequently when you first bring him into the new place. Since it doesn’t smell like him, he may decide to mark a few spots to make it smell like home <G… 2.  Spend time in the yard with him, but don’t make a big deal out of it.  He can sniff and run around all he wants, and even have a toy or two for outside, but he shouldn’t think there’s anything strange about it.  Just act like "of course you have a yard now". 3.  Expect him to be a little insecure or easily startled the first week or two. After that he should calm down.  Since bassets live mostly through their nose, the new smells should become familiar pretty quickly.   Good luck with your move.  I’ll be moving 2 bichons frises and a cat in the spring, 800 miles.  Oh, Joy!  <G Dyane in Atlanta Mother of  Sunny & Waldo

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When moving with a dog, I’ve found that taking some bit of bedding (its, or yours if it sleeps on your bed) is really helpful.  DO NOT WASH this bedding. Let the dog use it and get it well-scented up, and then take it along.  That familiar scent in the new place will mean Security.  Even some socks that you have worn, and have given to the dog shortly before the move, may prove to be a comforting toy. On moving day, when furniture is coming in and out, try to have a friend take the dog.  The last thing you want is a dog stepped on by a mover whose arms are loaded…  and it’s a lot of turmoil for them to view.  If all else fails, shut the dog in the bathroom while things are moving out or in; at least the dog is not underfoot. And good luck.  The first couple of days are the hardest! |   One advantage of a black Flat-Coated Retriever is that   | |   you can easily see the hairs while you’re picking them   | |   out of the butter.                                       | |       —  Pet Partners  Anne Cotton, and Flatcoats         | |           Cinderbin Neg’s Molly Malone CD, CGC ("Molly")   | |           and Fireside’s Que Continuum CGC ("Que")         |

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Demodectic Mange is not pruritic(itchy) so scratching is not a common clinical sign. You must be thinking of Sarcoptic Mange. With that mange all the dog does is SCRATCH. Christine Calder

I don’t know, Ceasar doesn’t spend much time scratching, but when he does he almost always draws blood. It’s as if his skin is weak (we already clipped and filed his nails in case they were too sharp…)

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This is taken from the September, 1995 issue of Dogworld "The mitey menace of Mange".  There is much much more to this article, but for those of you who might not get to read it, here is a part I extracted to post here. Clinical illness from Demodex depends more on the age and the health status of the dog than on the activity of the mites.  Consequently, demodicosis is classified as juvenile- vs. adult-onset as well as localized vs. generalized. While a single, small patch of hair loss with redness and scaling on the face of a young pup is not unusual, it would be on a dog older than 2 years of age. Silmilarly, one spot may not be cause for alarm, but multiple areas, particularly on the feet, toes, and nailbeds, could indicate serious disease. Whever demodicosis appears on a mature dog, it is cause for concern.  Generally speaking, such dogs have som e other medical problem that has lowered their resistance and depressed their immune system, allowing mites that have lived there harmlessly for years to suddenly multiply out of control and cause inflammation.  These dogs may have a depression of their immune system from a hormonal imbalance such as Cushing’s disease, or be debilitated from a severe case of hookwor, whipworm or heartworm.  When treated, the demodicosis may resolve.      Juvenile-onset demodicosis is more commonly seen, but the course of the localized and the generalized forms are radically different.  The localized form is characterized by only a few patches of scaly, reddish spots that do not itch.      A deep skin scraping, with the skin pinched to help extrude mites      from hair follicles, will reveal many mites and often eggs and larvae as      well.  Lesions generally appear on the head, neck, and forelimbs.      Ninety percent of such pups will seelf-cure with maturity, although      lotions that slow the multiplication rates are sometimes prescribed to      speed the healing process.           Unfortunately, 10 percent of thesesame pups will PROGRESS to the           generalized form and the definition of "generalized" extends to           those pups that have several feet involved, even if the rest           of the body is free of lesions.  Indeed, some clinical researchers consider this a third form-called "pododemodicosis"-because it is frequently very           difficult to eradicate the organisms from toes and nailbeds.           Owners of such dogs are often given a guarded prognosis for cure.                Thirty to 50 percent of juvenile generalized demodicosis cases will actually self-cure without any specific anti-Demodex therapy, usually                around 1 year of age.  However, secondary bacterial infections                must be controlled, often requiring both medicated shampoos and systemic antibiotics, for healing to occur.  The remaining generalized cases, either because the mite populations are so high that bacterial infection cannot be prevented or because the dogs do not self-cure by 12-18 months of age, must                receive anti-demodex therapy.  Finally , a very small number                of these cases even prove to be refractory to currently approved                and experimental methods                Suka

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Demodectic Mange is not pruritic(itchy) so scratching is not a common clinical sign. You must be thinking of Sarcoptic Mange. With that mange all the dog does is SCRATCH. Christine Calder

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And yes, we caught it in enough time so that it didn’t become a generalized infection, and treated it without the toxins using as you may recall an antibacterial/antifungal shampoo to prevent any secondary infection.  How can someone wait so long before realizing there’s something not quite right  about hair missing from their dog or puppy? Suka

Well, I thought I caught Ceasars case in time, however since his first treatment(of the dreaded Mitiban…) he has become progressivly worse. In the begining the only signs were a red irritated neck after a training session, then a 1" balding patch on his lower back and a small patch about the size of a dime on the back of his head. One week after the first Mitiban dip, the patch on his back is 3" long (however it looks like it’s begining to grow back some hair…) The patch on the back of his head is now half dollar size, and has bloody scabs on it, his neck is so irritated he wakes us up in the middle of the night scratching it into a bloody mess, and there are generalized spots all over his body that the hair is falling out of and his entire coat seems to be getting thinner and thinner daily. (His hair is falling out all over the place (which I think shouldn’t be happening on a short hair boxer going into the cold season….) We are picking up some anti-biotic cream(I think that’s what it is…) from the vet tommorow for the irritated areas (and I’m thinking about one of those dorky funnel collars to keep him from opening the scabs on his head…) Does this still sound like Generalized Demodicosis?

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: The vet explained to me that all dogs actually carry the : Demodex folliculorum mite as a matter of normal course, commonly : transmitted to the young pups during nursing, and there is only : a problem when the pup’s immune system cannot properly keep the : mites at a controllable level. It can also be triggered by stress or diet change or similar factors.  I’ve had it show up in a 3 yr old dal.  There is a salve that works well, name unfortunately forgotten. : I’ve asked the breeder to pay for the erradication of the mites, : which is a series of 3-6 $40 dips. I am considering asking for the : payment price of the dog if this makes him poor breeding stock(He is : a fine specimen otherwise…) Am I out of line? The breeder sounds : very sympathetic but is checking on the validity of my claim.(He had : no clue as to what Demodex mites were and was associating the symptoms : with Mange, which seems to be a generalized term for loosing your : hair, and getting a poor complexion…) I’ve heard it referred to as demodic mange, and even "red mange".  I think you are out of line asking for a full refund as well as payment for treatment.  If you and the breeder decide that your pup should be neutered, I think the most you should ask for is the difference between a show and pet quality price, since you will keep the pup as a pet.   However, I think you are overreacting.  I saw it occur in a Rottie who took Group 1 at Pleasanton 2 weeks ago over the top rottie and top boxer in the country – and was bred last weekend, by very knowledgable and responsible owners.  I even saw a friend’s sammy finish with an active case, albeit a small facial spot.  I would advise treating Ceasar and reevaluating his breeding potential at age 2.  In the interim, do a little research.  You seem to be getting all your information from your vet at this point, and could probably benefit from some time in a good library. : How rare is Canine demodicosis? My vet says he’s only seen a few : cases… Are certian breeds more sucseptible? It’s common enough that my vet has a flyer on it in the front office rack. It may be more common in short-haired breeds, or only seem that way because it is more readily visible.  It certainly showed nicely on my dal – turned his head white with black and red polka dots. Good luck – Lynn —

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: ended up using.  Demodecs aren’t harming anyone; with thee exception of our : appreciation of beauty.  Cosmetically it looks terrible.  My statements here : don’t count for dogs.  Only counts for puppies.      Yeah, I guess the scabby, infected, silver dollar size bald patch on Spot’s little puppy head was merely a cosmetic problem.  The problem with democodosis is it makes the dog/puppy scratch until they bleed, which obviously creates a bit more than a cosmetic problem.  Demodectic mange should not be ignored in any dog.  Perhaps your dog was lucky enough to only have the localized version, which is usually pretty easy to clear up.  The generalized version leaves huge scabby (from scratching) bald patches all over the dog. Jeff

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  Demodecs aren’t harming anyone; with thee exception of our appreciation of beauty.  Cosmetically it looks terrible.  My statements here don’t count for dogs.  Only counts for puppies. Suka

Suka, You are wrong – domodex can get generalised with secondary skin infections and it can develop suddenly, and must be trated.  It almost killed my pug bitch. She was in- toxicated by some preparations, but we were able to save her with Sebacil baths (Bayer) fortnightly during 20 weeks (sic!). Eva Sohlberg This tratment was not toxic or unpleasent

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I’ve posted this before, so I’ll make it short for those who have seen my story before.  My APBT, Sonja, at 4 months was diagnosed with demodecs. Neither I or my vet wanted to use the toxic Mitaban treatment, systemically affecting to both the dog and the owner.

I was unaware of any toxic side effects, the instructions/warnings warn of a small percentage of deaths (3 out of 1100) and side effects of depression 24-48 hours later (which I can confirm…) We were also not aware of any side effects to humans (when applied properly by the vet…) Can you be more specific about the dangers of amitraz (mitiban) and the documentation from which you get this information?

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I’ve posted this before, so I’ll make it short for those who have seen my story before.  My APBT, Sonja, at 4 months was diagnosed with demodecs. Neither I or my vet wanted to use the toxic Mitaban treatment, systemically affecting to both the dog and the owner.  For 2 1/2 months now I have been putting Clearasil on the patches, then 15 minutes later, I bathe her in an antibacterial/antifungal shampoo that I leave on her for 5 minutes.   These treatments I performed once per week.  All of Sonja’s patches are gone now, with only the worst one being barely noticeable.  I am so relieved that I didn’t have to resort to Mitaban and she will be spayed next week.   Suka & Sonja APBT (Sonja’s the pup :) )

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Thanks for the healthy replies! (Wish Ceasar was so healthy…) Some of the responses indicated the mange being brought on by stress and change of climate. It’s just starting to get cold up here in Chicago, and we had just started a obedience training course which included quite a bit of outdoor lead line work (rain or shine…) The order of events were 1a) First Rabie vaccination w/ DPT 1) Training began 2) Diahrea (uncontrollable, explosive at 3-4am in his crate) 3) 24 fast w/ Kaopectate to treat Diareaha 4) bald patches and pustules on his back and head, and scarring on his neck due to training choker (has been through puppy school with no ill effects to his neck…) 5) diagnosis and the first Mitiban treatment. all in a 1.5 week time span.(He is still having bouts of diahreah, but the vet precribed some pills and special food (which I think is just making it worse, changing his diet at the same time….) Also, he was always a little light in the hair arena (not much hair, almost bald ears and tummy) but since the first dip our perception is that he is pretty thin all over…) His skin also seems very tender, twice already he has scrached his face with his hind leg and caused minor bleeding on his cheek (not excessive scratching, just casual…) My initial post was right after he was diagnosed, and before I was able to get more information for my vet (who explained the implications) I was under-informed and well, a bit concerered (after reading the Mitiban instructions and warnings (with death rates and all of that great detail….) In following the thread most people indicated that I would be out of line asking the breeder for any cash back with this situation. One thing that I neglected to mention is the breeder did offer a 1 year gaurentee against congential defects. Both my vet and most material I have read so far, indicated a immune weekness to this paticular mite is considered congenital. (If this mange was contraced via contact with other dogs/etc, I would not be asking, I believe there is a difference.with this however….) I am curious, were the responses from breeders, vets or just dog owners? Since he really wasn’t that expensive ($450 vs. $600 current market asking price) I really wasn’t looking for the next champion, however I wasn’t exactly looking for $200-$400 in Mitiban dips either. I am not yet convinced that asking for assistance with the treatment is out of line. However since he really wasn’t intended breeding stock, purchase price adjustments probably aren’t nessasary. (especially since treatment cost could feasibly eclipse purchase price.) If your a breeder, looking to avoid buyers asking you to take responisiblity for your product, don’t bother comenting on the cost issue, I can tell it’s a sore spot with some folks… As an aside, the Mitiban really seemed to knock Ceasar for a loop, he was totally sedated for 48 hours and was acting very insecure. It finally wore off and he was back to himself, but I don’t think I would want to handle any chemical that has that sort of effect myself! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Has anyone had experience treating (successfully I hope…) : Canine demodicosis? My little boxer pup Ceasar was just diagnosed, : and we’ve started the amitraz (Mitaban) dips today. I have been treating my beagle bitch Bunny Sniffer for Demodex for 6 weeks or so.  When she adopted our family, the little girl had to ugly patches one on upper flank the other on her side.  Her treatment is :

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: The vet explained to me that all dogs actually carry the : Demodex folliculorum mite as a matter of normal course, commonly : transmitted to the young pups during nursing, and there is only : a problem when the pup’s immune system cannot properly keep the : mites at a controllable level. It can also be triggered by stress or diet change or similar factors.  I’ve had it show up in a 3 yr old dal.

Most dogs do carry Demodex and it is not at all uncommon in puppies who’s immune systems have not fully matured. In adult dogs, it is indicative of a compromised immune system. Stressful incidents or dietary changes can cause such compromise. There is a salve that works well, name unfortunately forgotten.

Are you refering to goodwinall ointment? The treatment of choise is a series of MITABAN dips. : I’ve asked the breeder to pay for the erradication of the mites, : which is a series of 3-6 $40 dips. I am considering asking for the : payment price of the dog if this makes him poor breeding stock(He is : a fine specimen otherwise…) Am I out of line? The breeder sounds : very sympathetic but is checking on the validity of my claim.(He had : no clue as to what Demodex mites were and was associating the symptoms : with Mange, which seems to be a generalized term for loosing your : hair, and getting a poor complexion…)

Mange is a general term refering to any dermatological mite infection. I think you are out of line asking for a full refund as well as payment for treatment.

I agree that such a request is excessive. It is unlikely that the breeder is in any realistic way responsible for the demodectic infection. This is one of those things that just comes along with owning a dog. However, I think you are overreacting.   I would advise treating Ceasar and reevaluating his breeding potential at age 2.

Agreed. By far and away, most cases of puppy demdecosis are brought under control with no long term effects. There shouldn’t be any worries about this condition affecting the dog’s breeding potential. Scarring is probably the worst long term effect you might expect to see, but you can avoid that by getting on top of the treatment now and following through with the dips. : How rare is Canine demodicosis? My vet says he’s only seen a few : cases… It’s common enough that my vet has a flyer on it in the front office rack.

Demodectic mange is not uncommon in other wise healthy puppies and these infections are often self limitting.

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: Has anyone had experience treating (successfully I hope…) : Canine demodicosis? My little boxer pup Ceasar was just diagnosed, : and we’ve started the amitraz (Mitaban) dips today.

I have been treating my beagle bitch Bunny Sniffer for Demodex for 6 weeks or so.  When she adopted our family, the little girl had to ugly patches one on upper flank the other on her side.  Her treatment is : 1.  About 15 minutes before step 2, I rub some acne medication (Clearasill)  into the affected areas. (opens and cleans hair follicles and pores) 2.  A good bath in a shampoo containing sulfur and Benzoyl Peroxide, then I towel her dry. 3.  I mix 5.3ml (measured with a graduated syringe) Mitaban and 1 gal. of lukewarm water.  At this time put mineral oil into the pups eyes to protect from the dip. Then in a small tub (left over from when my son was a baby)  I dip Bunny for 15 minutes.   I then put her out to dry. Note: While dipping the pooch I have to wear a long sleeved shirt, goggles, and rubber gloves. The pup and I go through this ordeal once a week. The good news is she is rapidly improving.  One spot is completely healed with the hair grown back,  the other spot has the hair starting back in.     I have also been giving her a vitamin mixture that is supposed to help her coat, vitamin E, Zinc etc. This skin disease is definitly passed on to the pups from the dame, I’ll bet there are other pups in the same litter with the same problems.  It is thought that it is brought on by stress,  it is mostly seen in pups because of their undeveloped immune system. had hoped Ceasar would sire at least a litter, does his : suscptibilty to the mites make him a poor canidate?     The mite is passed from the mother.  It is not entirely known whether the overabundance of the mite is caused by an immune problem or exactly what causes it, but it is not recommended that a dog with Demodectic mange be bred.  Researchers think it is genetic.

Check with your vet to see if it is passed on by the dog. — Fred,Eva,Eric,The pooches Rocky and Bunny Baytown Tx.

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: Has anyone had experience treating (successfully I hope…) : Canine demodicosis? My little boxer pup Ceasar was just diagnosed, : and we’ve started the amitraz (Mitaban) dips today.      Sometimes it is hard to get the mites to go away, but Amatraz does eventually work most of the time. : I had hoped Ceasar would sire at least a litter, does his : suscptibilty to the mites make him a poor canidate?      The mite is passed from the mother.  It is not entirely known whether the overabundance of the mite is caused by an immune problem or exactly what causes it, but it is not recommended that a dog with Demodectic mange be bred.  Researchers think it is genetic. : I’ve asked the breeder to pay for the erradication of the mites, : which is a series of 3-6 $40 dips. I am considering asking for the : payment price of the dog if this makes him poor breeding stock(He is : a fine specimen otherwise…) Am I out of line? The breeder sounds : very sympathetic but is checking on the validity of my claim.(He had : no clue as to what Demodex mites were and was associating the symptoms : with Mange, which seems to be a generalized term for loosing your : hair, and getting a poor complexion…)      I think whether or not you ask for a refund is up to you.  Go to your local bookstore and look at the Merck Vetrinary Guide (it will be with the rest of the pet books).  It has the most comprehensive section on Demodectic mange that I have seen, and should provide you with enough info to make a decision. : How rare is Canine demodicosis? My vet says he’s only seen a few : cases… Are certian breeds more sucseptible? (My vet mentioned a : Chow that he treated….)      It is fairly common in young dogs, but very very rare to happen to a dog older than a year.  The Merck book I mentioned above listed 10 breeds that had the highest occurrances of the Demodex infestation. : We have of course become very attached to our "Little Ceasar" (pun : intended…) is it customary to return the dog in exchange for the : purchase price? We couldn’t do that…. When it comes down to it, : he is a valued pet before he is breeding stock anyways….      I think a refund of the difference between "breedable price" and "pet price" might be in order.  Also, tell the breeder the Demodex was probably passed down from Ceasar’s dam. Hope this helps, Jeff

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