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I’ve had people think the same with me.  :)  Of course my past girlfriends know better, and I guess that’s the plus side for them… :)  They don;t have to worry about me being stolen away…:) Anyway…  that got a bit off topic..:)

Oh CJ, I can definitely relate to that from another perspective. When I lived at Harbourfront, there was this guy Steve who lived in the same bldg. Everytime I saw him, sparks flew. He was kind, gentle, courteous, warm, respectful, considerate, sophisticated, athletic, and soooo cute! I used to frequently see him rollerblading along the lakeshore. One day, when he was sitting on one of the lobby couches removing his roller blades before getting into the elevator, I decided I was going to go up and introduce myself. As I approached him, I started to overhear snippets of his conversation with his rollerblading companion. It stopped me dead in my tracks. I heard the voice of the guy he had been rollerblading with saying <LISPING VERY VERY EFFEMINATELY "So what should we have for dinner tonight, …I could whip up some Thai, or would you prefer something else, …or we could go out?" To which Steve responded "hey, whatever you feel like is fine with me. BTW- You don’t always have to cook EVERY night. If you’d like, I can cook for a change".  His friend responded with <lisping "Oh don’t be thilly …I don’t mind cooking". Well, you know what I thought! For the next two years, I saw him around the condo. I even got to know him a little casually because he was good friends with Mark whose company once sponsored me for a beauty pageant. I never made any advances towards him, because I always thought given his sexual orientation, …it would be pointless and would definitely NOT be appreciated. Just before I moved out, Steve threw a party for the race car drivers in the annual Molson Indy. The only way to describe his date for the party, is to say she was definitely a WOMAN. 100% WOMAN. It was obviously a temporary diversion, …clearly not something that was going to be long term. I took one look at her, and whispered in shocked astonishment to our mutual friend Mark, "Oh my GAWD! Steve isn’t gay, is he! The shocked laughter on Mark’s face said it all. As it turned out, Steve had also been interested in me, …but my decidedly cool behavior towards him told him, any advances on HIS part wouldn’t be appreciated. I couldn’t believe that all that time he had been right under my nose, …and I couldn’t see it. I moved away, and made a mental note to pursue the possibility after his dalliance with ‘K’ was over. Many months later, I reconnected with a girlfriend that I had lost touch with a year after she had moved away to live with her fiance & his kids. She surprised me by telling me that I knew the new man in her life. Seems she had split up with her fiance, and decided to purchase a condo back in our old building at Harbourfront. Co-incidently Steve was in the process of selling off some of his harbourfront condos, and they met in the process. She didn’t end up buying one of his condos, she chose a different one in a different blding, …but she also chose the man too. Everytime we get together, Steve cracks up saying "I can’t BELIEVE that you thought *I* was gay!" to which Denise responds "I’m glad she did!" It turns out the man with the effeminate lisp was his cousin who had just accepted a job in Toronto and needed a place to live until his new place became available. Never judging a book by it’s cover, is a lesson I’ve learned the hard way (too many times) <G You’d think I’d get it right some time huh? -Drama Queen

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I’ve had people think I’m gay. The point is you never know when some hateful bastard will decide you are one of the bad people.

I’ve had people think the same with me.  :)  Of course my past girlfriends know better, and I guess that’s the plus side for them… :)  They don;t have to worry about me being stolen away…:) Anyway…  that got a bit off topic..:)

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Hi Jeff, I appreciate that contribution to the thread, but can I ask that you be a little more careful about where you start writing your messages. As it is there …it looked as if I said that. Thanks -Drama Queen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve had people think I’m gay. The point is you never know when some hateful bastard will decide you are one of the bad people. well i wont be acccpeting any pieces that are GAY as  i have nothing against teh person but the act is not normal if men were intended to be gay God would have created ADAM AND STEVE . Anway  i was just asking about the makeup thing no BIGGY just a question Jon So basically, as an actor, you will purposefully handicap yourself so that you fulfill your closed minded little self? I find that disturbing.  As an actor I find it invigorating to be able to get the part of a person or type of person I don’t understand.  I love putting myself in other people’s shoes, no matter how I may feel about them. That’s just my opinion, but I think most other actors share this ideal. :) Some are quite exceptional at it. Look at Antonio Banderas for example. This man has portrayed so many gay characters so exceptionally well, …and has earned the respect of many because of it. Besides, what’s wrong with a heterosexual man playing a homosexual one? No one for a minute really thinks he’s gay do they? And if so, …so what? A person’s sexuality and how they choose to express it is their own business. It has nothing to do with me, …unless they want to express it with me, and certainly has nothing to do with expertise as far as acting goes, the characters they portray, …or vice versa. -Drama Queen

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If you are that opposed to wearing makeup, maybe you should reconsider getting into acting.  Even when I was in high school plays the guys wore makeup during the performances.  No one thought anything of it.

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Jon, if you continue to have such an intolerant and somewhat rude attitude towards some of your fellow human beings, you won’t have to worry about accepting any ‘gay’ pieces, …in fact without a SERIOUS attitude adjustment you might find yourself barred from auditioning from ’straight’ pieces being cast by a ‘gay’ Casting Director. You might even find yourself looking like a bit of an idiot, after having been dressed or made-up by the ‘gay’ wardrobe person, or the ‘gay’ make-up artist. Or even ostracized by any straight person you come into contact with who has ever felt the pain of a dear friend who has been victimized by the expression of such an intolerant and ignorant attitude. Grow up!

Many years ago I had a part in a musical. At the time I was getting around on a motorcycle, and came in from backstage wearing my Levis, Levi jacket and carrying my helmet, wearing my cowboy boots (this was in Tucson). Some gay guys out in the house started yelling "Que macho!" and whistling. I took it as the compliment it was intended to be. I must confess, though, that in my younger days I was once offered the part of the birthday present in "The Boys in the Band" and I turned it down because it required kissing another guy. Today I might accept it, but it’s pretty unlikely anyone’s going to offer me as a birthday presnet these days. —     *                Daly City California                 *     ******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******

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I’ve had people think I’m gay. The point is you never know when some hateful bastard will decide you are one of the bad people. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well i wont be acccpeting any pieces that are GAY as  i have nothing against teh person but the act is not normal if men were intended to be gay God would have created ADAM AND STEVE . Anway  i was just asking about the makeup thing no BIGGY just a question Jon So basically, as an actor, you will purposefully handicap yourself so that you fulfill your closed minded little self? I find that disturbing.  As an actor I find it invigorating to be able to get the part of a person or type of person I don’t understand.  I love putting myself in other people’s shoes, no matter how I may feel about them. That’s just my opinion, but I think most other actors share this ideal. :) Some are quite exceptional at it. Look at Antonio Banderas for example. This man has portrayed so many gay characters so exceptionally well, …and has earned the respect of many because of it. Besides, what’s wrong with a heterosexual man playing a homosexual one? No one for a minute really thinks he’s gay do they? And if so, …so what? A person’s sexuality and how they choose to express it is their own business. It has nothing to do with me, …unless they want to express it with me, and certainly has nothing to do with expertise as far as acting goes, the characters they portray, …or vice versa. -Drama Queen

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Figures don’t lie, liars figure…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     The thing I don’t understand is being BI. I can’t imagine wanting to sleep with everybody I meet… Does make the process a tad easier as you are available for 75% of the population there abouts..:) The remaining 25% being children, …right. They are OFF LIMITS. I meant the adult population.  There will always be 25% not interested in a relationship with any given person, due to sexual preference. :) If we go by the 50/50 gay/hetero deal.  50 percent of each gender being Gay or bisexual.  Actually, I think statistics make it a smaller number than that, but usually the statistics are biased in some sense. The famous saying:  "There are three types of lies.  Lies, Damn lies, and statistics."

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ROFLMAO. — "If I’m going to die, I’m going to die as I’ve lived: dancing the can-can in a green shirt and a catcher’s mask!"                                                                  - Alex Reager, "Taxi" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi i was reading about headshots and people say when you go to get your<< headshots done even if your a man you should wear makeup up  that sounds a<< bit gay dont you think.?<< No. Men having sex with each other is a bit gay. Wearing makeup is something you do in the course of your job. Why do you ask? Do you have a problem with people and/or situations that you think are "a bit gay"? If this is the case, then you should definitely stay involved in the acting business because you’ll be guaranteed never to run into something that you find "a bit gay", let alone a real, live homosexual. I suggest you try musical theater…

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Jon, Since you’re obviously new here, as well to usenet, I’m going to let you in on a little netiquette that will save you a LOT of heartache in the future.  This is an acting group, and while I saw that your diatribe was "technically" on topic, do not bring up religion connected to it.  Just don’t do it.  It won’t be tolerated.  There are specific groups for that.  Many take offense at that, and I’m sure you just aren’t aware of those repercussions yet.  It’s completely fine if you believe that, I’m not putting that portion of it down.  I’m saying, that if you spout comments like that freely on Usenet, then you deserve what others will undoubtedly fling at you, and you don’t want that, I’m sure.  By saying "the act is not normal", you’ve just made a judgment, and one that: A) does not belong on an acting group, B) has nothing to do with the topic at hand, and C) if we’re going to get picky, one that God himself said not to do.  (Judgment that is.)  So while you’ve just pronounced judgment on many people here, you’ve broken more than a few rules yourself. I hope this helps in the future for you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well i wont be acccpeting any pieces that are GAY as  i have nothing against teh person but the act is not normal if men were intended to be gay God would have created ADAM AND STEVE . Anway  i was just asking about the makeup thing no BIGGY just a question Jon Hi i was reading about headshots and people say when you go to get your<< headshots done even if your a man you should wear makeup up  that sounds a<< bit gay dont you think.?<< No. Men having sex with each other is a bit gay. Wearing makeup is something you do in the course of your job. Why do you ask? Do you have a problem with people and/or situations that you think are "a bit gay"? If this is the case, then you should definitely stay involved in the acting business because you’ll be guaranteed never to run into something that you find "a bit gay", let alone a real, live homosexual. I suggest you try musical theater…

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    The thing I don’t understand is being BI. I can’t imagine wanting to sleep with everybody I meet… Does make the process a tad easier as you are available for 75% of the population there abouts..:)

there is a theory that we are all more or less bisexual, in which case I guess I just haven’t met the right guy :) eric "the alternative to seeing things in black and white is to see them in full colour"

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    The thing I don’t understand is being BI. I can’t imagine wanting to sleep with everybody I meet… Does make the process a tad easier as you are available for 75% of the population there abouts..:) The remaining 25% being children, …right. They are OFF LIMITS.

I meant the adult population.  There will always be 25% not interested in a relationship with any given person, due to sexual preference. :) If we go by the 50/50 gay/hetero deal.  50 percent of each gender being Gay or bisexual.  Actually, I think statistics make it a smaller number than that, but usually the statistics are biased in some sense. The famous saying:  "There are three types of lies.  Lies, Damn lies, and statistics."

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well i wont be acccpeting any pieces that are GAY as  i have nothing against teh person but the act is not normal if men were intended to be gay God would have created ADAM AND STEVE . Anway  i was just asking about the makeup thing no BIGGY just a question Jon

a little education Jon homosexuality occurs in just about every species on the planet…it is the natural sexual orientation of a significant percentage of humanity nearly 10%…are you suggesting that God messed up to that extent? if you can’t cope with behaviour different from your own you can forget about acting unless you want to write, direct and watch your own pieces all on your own eric "the alternative to seeing things in black and white is to see them in full colour"

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    The thing I don’t understand is being BI. I can’t imagine wanting to sleep with everybody I meet… Does make the process a tad easier as you are available for 75% of the population there abouts..:)

The remaining 25% being children, …right. They are OFF LIMITS.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well i wont be acccpeting any pieces that are GAY as  i have nothing against teh person but the act is not normal if men were intended to be gay God would have created ADAM AND STEVE . Anway  i was just asking about the makeup thing no BIGGY just a question Jon So basically, as an actor, you will purposefully handicap yourself so that you fulfill your closed minded little self? I find that disturbing.  As an actor I find it invigorating to be able to get the part of a person or type of person I don’t understand.  I love putting myself in other people’s shoes, no matter how I may feel about them. That’s just my opinion, but I think most other actors share this ideal. :)

Some are quite exceptional at it. Look at Antonio Banderas for example. This man has portrayed so many gay characters so exceptionally well, …and has earned the respect of many because of it. Besides, what’s wrong with a heterosexual man playing a homosexual one? No one for a minute really thinks he’s gay do they? And if so, …so what? A person’s sexuality and how they choose to express it is their own business. It has nothing to do with me, …unless they want to express it with me, and certainly has nothing to do with expertise as far as acting goes, the characters they portray, …or vice versa. -Drama Queen

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well i wont be acccpeting any pieces that are GAY as  i have nothing against teh person but the act is not normal if men were intended to be gay God would have created ADAM AND STEVE . Anway  i was just asking about the makeup thing no BIGGY just a question Jon

So basically, as an actor, you will purposefully handicap yourself so that you fulfill your closed minded little self? I find that disturbing.  As an actor I find it invigorating to be able to get the part of a person or type of person I don’t understand.  I love putting myself in other people’s shoes, no matter how I may feel about them. That’s just my opinion, but I think most other actors share this ideal. :)

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    The thing I don’t understand is being BI. I can’t imagine wanting to sleep with everybody I meet…

Does make the process a tad easier as you are available for 75% of the population there abouts..:)

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well i wont be acccpeting any pieces that are GAY as  i have nothing against teh person but the act is not normal if men were intended to be gay God would have created ADAM AND STEVE . Anway  i was just asking about the makeup thing no BIGGY just a question Jon

Jon, if you continue to have such an intolerant and somewhat rude attitude towards some of your fellow human beings, you won’t have to worry about accepting any ‘gay’ pieces, …in fact without a SERIOUS attitude adjustment you might find yourself barred from auditioning from ’straight’ pieces being cast by a ‘gay’ Casting Director. You might even find yourself looking like a bit of an idiot, after having been dressed or made-up by the ‘gay’ wardrobe person, or the ‘gay’ make-up artist. Or even ostracized by any straight person you come into contact with who has ever felt the pain of a dear friend who has been victimized by the expression of such an intolerant and ignorant attitude. Grow up! -Drama Queen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi i was reading about headshots and people say when you go to get your<< headshots done even if your a man you should wear makeup up  that sounds a<< bit gay dont you think.?<< No. Men having sex with each other is a bit gay. Wearing makeup is something you do in the course of your job. Why do you ask? Do you have a problem with people and/or situations that you think are "a bit gay"? If this is the case, then you should definitely stay involved in the acting business because you’ll be guaranteed never to run into something that you find "a bit gay", let alone a real, live homosexual. I suggest you try musical theater…

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Hi i was reading about headshots and people say when you go to get your headshots done even if your a man you should wear makeup up  that sounds a bit gay dont you think.? let us know? plus whast teh average price for HEADSHOTS? anybody just let  em know what you have paid for good headshots thanks people Jon

Jon…you have just over three weeks in which to get into the twentieth century before its too late eric "the alternative to seeing things in black and white is to see them in full colour"

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I had some make up put on me when I took mine. It was no big deal. I did not wear lip stick and eye shadow, they just put some of that biege powder stuff on to brighten some darker spots on me. I paid $160 to have 4 rolls taken. — –SonicChaos  Visit My Sailor Venus Shrine  The V-Files    http://members.xoom.com/SonicChaos/files.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi i was reading about headshots and people say when you go to get your headshots done even if your a man you should wear makeup up  that sounds a bit gay dont you think.? let us know? plus whast teh average price for HEADSHOTS? anybody just let  em know what you have paid for good headshots thanks people Jon

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    Well a sitting is the first cost. $50.00 to $500.00. Reproduction is another. $.05 to .15 each.     As for your other comments, I suggest you question whether you’re getting into the correct profession. I was once told the only way you could tell if a guy was really gay, was if he was performing oral sex on you… using that standard, I have never met a gay man. Though I have had a few tell me they were and my wife has told me others were. I’ve been told there are loads of "Gays" in theater and movies so you might be assaulted or accosted.     Please. Are you afraid they won’t try to pick you up?     The thing I don’t understand is being BI. I can’t imagine wanting to sleep with everybody I meet…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi i was reading about headshots and people say when you go to get your headshots done even if your a man you should wear makeup up  that sounds a bit gay dont you think.? let us know? plus whast teh average price for HEADSHOTS? anybody just let  em know what you have paid for good headshots thanks people Jon

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Hi i was reading about headshots and people say when you go to get your headshots done even if your a man you should wear makeup up  that sounds a bit gay dont you think.?

I’m at a complete loss to see how it’s possibly related to sexual preference. As long as the makeup doesn’t change your identity, that’s fine.  The headshot should look the way you look when you walk into an audition. If the makeup dramatically changes the way you look, then wear the same makeup when you attend an audition.  This applies equally to men and women. I wear light makeup for my headshots to even out my complexion.  I might have some discoloration in spots that can change from week to week.  I might have razor burn on my neck.  I might even wear makeup to an audition.  You probably wouldn’t notice it, however, sitting across from me on the subway.  (After stage performances, however, you probably will notice the eyeliner I missed when washing up!) plus whast teh average price for HEADSHOTS?

US$0.8794567 each. — Daniel Norton

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headshots done even if your a man you should wear makeup up  that sounds a bit gay dont you think.?

cool… that’s kind of a prejudiced statement. DONTCHA THINK? but, semantics aside… men that wear makeup for shoots aren’t wearing a lot, but can benefit from some contouring, eyebrow grooming, perhaps a little lip color (in a matte, neutral shade) and can always use powder. if you’re under the mistaken impression that male actors don’t wear makeup (whether on stage or in front of a camera) then you’ve never gotten paid for your work. I have yet to be on set with a man that didn’t do time in the makeup artist’s chair. makeup doesn’t have to mean eyeshadow, glossy lipstick and falsies. Get your homophobic, misogynistic attitude out of here. angie if I’d known you were coming I would have baked a cake.

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Hi i was reading about headshots and people say when you go to get your<< headshots done even if your a man you should wear makeup up  that sounds a<< bit gay dont you think.?<<

No.   Men having sex with each other is a bit gay. Wearing makeup is something you do in the course of your job. Why do you ask? Do you have a problem with people and/or situations that you think are "a bit gay"? If this is the case, then you should definitely stay involved in the acting business because you’ll be guaranteed never to run into something that you find "a bit gay", let alone a real, live homosexual. I suggest you try musical theater…

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well i wont be acccpeting any pieces that are GAY as  i have nothing against teh person but the act is not normal if men were intended to be gay God would have created ADAM AND STEVE . Anway  i was just asking about the makeup thing no BIGGY just a question Jon

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi i was reading about headshots and people say when you go to get your<< headshots done even if your a man you should wear makeup up  that sounds a<< bit gay dont you think.?<< No. Men having sex with each other is a bit gay. Wearing makeup is something you do in the course of your job. Why do you ask? Do you have a problem with people and/or situations that you think are "a bit gay"? If this is the case, then you should definitely stay involved in the acting business because you’ll be guaranteed never to run into something that you find "a bit gay", let alone a real, live homosexual. I suggest you try musical theater…

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Hi i was reading about headshots and people say when you go to get your headshots done even if your a man you should wear makeup up  that sounds a bit gay dont you think.? let us know? plus whast teh average price for HEADSHOTS? anybody just let  em know what you have paid for good headshots thanks people Jon

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