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USS GREENVILLE sinks Japanese Fishing boat

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Isn’t it interesting that it was a Japansese ship sunk by the US not far from Pearl Harbor?  Hmmm.  Of course, I know it was an accident, but still…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …or a Greenpeace ship. It really is a sad thing.  It’s too godamned bad it wasn’t a Japanese whaling vessel. Jay — Keith Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow they may make it illegal. Well, one can hope the next nuclear waste disposal site is established a mile from your house. — Harry Krause People make suggestions on what to say all the time. I’ll give you an example; I don’t read what’s handed to me. People say, ‘Here, here’s your speech, or here’s an idea for a speech.’ They’re changed. Trust me. -GW Bush

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.or a Greenpeace ship. It really is a sad thing.  It’s too godamned bad it wasn’t a Japanese whaling vessel.

Any loss of life in any accident regardless of politics is regretable. I would not wish that on anyone. 63 days to go..

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Ain’t it interesting when the Socialist element comes out and tries to rewrite history :-) It is a damn shame that we had an *ACCIDENT*.  Now we have those here that think we ought to dismantle the military and that the best do not go into the service. I do beg to differ. Many like myself served as a service to my country, to protect it from enemies foreign and domestic. We served ungrateful pukes like you who idolize other socialists like Clinton, Gore and there ilk.  We had songs about "4 dead in Ohio". What about the 90 or so in Waco that another socialist managed to exterminate. That’s ok isn’t it. I’m called a "right winger"..hardly…I’m a patriot.  I would serve my country proudly again…..with honor, just like my father in W.W.II. In viet nam we had people like Hanoi Jane aiding the enemy and causing the deaths of POWs, Bill (don’t bogart that joint) Clinton on foreign soil protesting his country.  One is adored for her films, the other made it to the white house and made it in the white house…..watt a contree eh? Hypocrites! You want all of the good things this country stands for and refuse to see without the blood of thousands, you would not be free to post on the internet, go to church, or have your play toys in which to float about.  Remember that for every freedom you have, a soldier, airman, or sailor gave up his life.

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You poor simple ignoramus.  What socialist element?   When you rant and rave about the poor downtrodden military and the naughty unpatriotic Liberals consider the following. CHARACTER MATTERS The Democratic leadership in the House and Senate: House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt – Served his country in uniform, 1965-71 House Minority Whip David Bonior – Served his country in uniform, 1968-72 Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle – Served his country in uniform, 1969-72 Former Vice-President Albert Gore – Served his country in uniform, 1969-71 The Republican leadership in the House and Senate: Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich – avoided the draft, did not serve. Majority Leader Dick Armey- avoided the draft, did not serve. Majority Whip Tom Delay – avoided the draft, did not serve. Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott – avoided the draft, did not serve. THE CHICKENHAWKS There were many dishonest hypocritical, cowardly right-wing loonies who supported the war while refusing to personally participate. Here are just a few: Elliott Abrams – Sought deferment for bad back. Richard Armey – Sought college deferment, too smart to die. Bill Bennett – Sought graduate school deferment, too smart to die. Pat Buchanan – Sought deferment for bad knee. George W. Bush – AWOL Dick Cheney – Sought graduate school deferment, too smart to die. Tom DeLay – - Sought college deferment, too smart to die. Newt Gingrich – Sought graduate school deferment, too smart to die. Phil Gramm – Sought marriage deferment, too loved to die. Jack Kemp – Sought medical deferment while in the NFL. Rush Limbaugh – Sought deferment for ingrown hair follicle on his ass. Trent Lott – Sought deferment, didn’t want to muss his hair. P.J. O’Rourke – Sought deferment, too stoned. Dan Quayle – Family got him into the Reserves. Pat Robertson – Father pulled him out of Korea as soon as the shooting began. Kenneth Starr – Sought deferment for psoriasis. John Wayne – Sought deferment to further acting career. Vin Weber – Sought deferment for asthma. George Will – Sought deferment, too much of a wussy.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ain’t it interesting when the Socialist element comes out and tries to rewrite history :-) It is a damn shame that we had an *ACCIDENT*.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I suspect, by the way, that the military is lying about the extent of the damage to the sub. There may well be casualties on board in some compartments. When they ascend, they isolate the compartments, but it is quite possible that the hull has been punctured. On the UK news they have been showing what appear to be current shots of the sub. There are what appear to be paint marks on part of the rear section, but no sign of any damage to the vessel. Apparently the sub has been helping in the rescue effort so the chances of any casualties in its crew is highly unlikely.

They surface through the polar ice cap.  I doubt a fishing boat would do serious damage.

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They surface through the polar ice cap.  I doubt a fishing boat would do serious damage.

Rather OT, but I don’t believe that the 688 class have that particular capability (at least, they don’t have rotatable planes on the fin).

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However, this whole thing begs another question.  What was a Japanese fishing boat doing in our waters?  Based on what the Chicago Tribune wrote today, they were just nine miles off the coast, let alone outside our economic exclusion zone.

 Right. It should have been sunk before it reached our waters. What we can’t tolerate are kamikaze Japanese school kids. Regards, John Phillips To respond by e-mail, please remove the parentheses from my address

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – However, this whole thing begs another question.  What was a Japanese fishing boat doing in our waters?  Based on what the Chicago Tribune wrote today, they were just nine miles off the coast, let alone outside our economic exclusion zone.  Right. It should have been sunk before it reached our waters. What we can’t tolerate are kamikaze Japanese school kids. Regards, John Phillips

It wasn’t Mitsubishi powered, was it? You know…from those wonderful folks who gave us the Japanese Zero? — Harry Krause This is what I’m good at. I like meeting people, my fellow citizens, I like interfacing with them. -GW Bush

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Ok you can crawl back into you hole jerk.  Where was Bill…..where was Al.. Where was Jane? Stick it you less than simple ignoramus.

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I must apologize for losing my temper, however I am not ignorant, nor did my original post have anything to do with draft dodgers. The VN war was a travesty. The liberal left got us into it, kept us there, while the likes of socialists like Jane and Bill were traitors to the brave men who through no fault of their own in many cases had to serve. Nixon had it handed to him with the presidency but he got us out, no thanks to the left. As I said I am proud to have served my country, and I resent the crap I am reading here. Do away with our military and see how long it takes for some of the other lesser powers to try and take what we’ve got…..freedom. Now if that makes me ignorant than those who want to see our military further weakened are simply foolish.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok you can crawl back into you hole jerk.  Where was Bill…..where was Al.. Where was Jane? Stick it you less than simple ignoramus.

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I must apologize for losing my temper, however I am not ignorant, nor did my original post have anything to do with draft dodgers. The VN war was a travesty. The liberal left got us into it,

The liberal left got us into Vietnam? We started getting into Vietnam under Eisenhower. Neither he, nor Kennedy who followed, were liberals.  kept us there, while the likes of socialists like Jane and Bill were traitors to the brave men who through no fault of their own in many cases had to serve.

The reality is that the Vietnam war protestors did more to get our boys home than than Konservative politician.  As I said I am proud to have served my country, and I resent the crap I am reading here.

Too bad. Lots of people who served their country resented being sent to Vietnam to risk death and watch their buddies die in a country where we had no overriding interest. — Harry Krause I want you to know that farmers are not going to be secondary thoughts to a Bush administration. They will be in the forethought of our thinking. -GW Bush

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Well, of course they are! They were carrying the crew of a UFO that had crashed in the Pacific when they found that they had to surface quickly or the aliens would die from methane exposure (baked beans on the menu that day). The only question in my mind is whether the captain was Elvis or Jim Morrison. I’m pleased to see somebody else who can understand the obvious truth here. Giles

Your wrong! This was done on purpose so Harry and his buddies will have something to snip back and forth about for the next Month!        Larry hill

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It really is a sad thing.  It’s too godamned bad it wasn’t a Japanese whaling vessel. Jay

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Greeneville was a 688i attack boat. Apparently the boat was performing an emergency surface either for maintenance or training when the Greeneville hit the Jap. ship which sank in five minutes.  Nine presumed dead. It’s a damn shame.  Should NOT have happened.  I heard she scraped her stern planes/rudder. We’ve already apologized, and we’ll owe the Japanese people some money. I’m waiting with dread for that fuckhead "A. Melon" to come and ruin Toppan’s newsgroup with his ceaseless drivel about "coverup"….

"A. Melon" is an anonymizing remailer. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wonder what Eugene Fluckey thinks of all this… What type of sub is Greenville? Boomer or Attack? Any word on how damaged she is? Just wondering. Chris K-129

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If the Greenville was doing an exercise, why the hell did she not know that trawler was up there.  Sonar and passive listening would have easily pinpointed a trawler on the surface.

Only if the ship had its engines running, or its sonar enabled or if there were other audible signatures.  The theory is that none of the above were necessarily going on.  Also, the ability to analyze that which is directly on top of you is tricky.  What the heck was the Captain thinking??  You don’t do an emergency exercise with a civilian vessel sitting there.  Sounds like Court-martial time to me.  (Unless, there was a legitimate on board emergency that dictated a real emergency surface.)

A similar accident happened in Japan in 1988, except it was a Japanese sub hitting a Japanese fishing boat.  Accidents happen. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greeneville was a 688i attack boat. Apparently the boat was performing an emergency surface either for maintenance or training when the Greeneville hit the Jap. ship which sank in five minutes.  Nine presumed dead. It’s a damn shame.  Should NOT have happened.  I heard she scraped her stern planes/rudder. We’ve already apologized, and we’ll owe the Japanese people some money. I’m waiting with dread for that fuckhead "A. Melon" to come and ruin Toppan’s newsgroup with his ceaseless drivel about "coverup"…. I wonder what Eugene Fluckey thinks of all this… What type of sub is Greenville? Boomer or Attack? Any word on how damaged she is? Just wondering. Chris K-129

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…or a Greenpeace ship. It really is a sad thing.  It’s too godamned bad it wasn’t a Japanese whaling vessel. Jay

– Keith Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow they may make it illegal.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …or a Greenpeace ship. It really is a sad thing.  It’s too godamned bad it wasn’t a Japanese whaling vessel. Jay — Keith Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow they may make it illegal.

Well, one can hope the next nuclear waste disposal site is established a mile from your house. — Harry Krause People make suggestions on what to say all the time. I’ll give you an example; I don’t read what’s handed to me. People say, ‘Here, here’s your speech, or here’s an idea for a speech.’ They’re changed. Trust me. -GW Bush

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Greeneville was a 688i attack boat. Apparently the boat was performing an emergency surface either for maintenance or training when the Greeneville hit the Jap. ship which sank in five minutes.  Nine presumed dead.   It’s a damn shame.  Should NOT have happened.  I heard she scraped her stern planes/rudder. We’ve already apologized, and we’ll owe the Japanese people some money. I’m waiting with dread for that fuckhead "A. Melon" to come and ruin Toppan’s newsgroup with his ceaseless drivel about "coverup"…. I wonder what Eugene Fluckey thinks of all this… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What type of sub is Greenville? Boomer or Attack? Any word on how damaged she is? Just wondering. Chris K-129

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If the Greenville was doing an exercise, why the hell did she not know that trawler was up there.  Sonar and passive listening would have easily pinpointed a trawler on the surface.  What the heck was the Captain thinking??  You don’t do an emergency exercise with a civilian vessel sitting there.  Sounds like Court-martial time to me.  (Unless, there was a legitimate on board emergency that dictated a real emergency surface.)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greeneville was a 688i attack boat. Apparently the boat was performing an emergency surface either for maintenance or training when the Greeneville hit the Jap. ship which sank in five minutes.  Nine presumed dead. It’s a damn shame.  Should NOT have happened.  I heard she scraped her stern planes/rudder. We’ve already apologized, and we’ll owe the Japanese people some money. I’m waiting with dread for that fuckhead "A. Melon" to come and ruin Toppan’s newsgroup with his ceaseless drivel about "coverup"…. I wonder what Eugene Fluckey thinks of all this… What type of sub is Greenville? Boomer or Attack? Any word on how damaged she is? Just wondering. Chris K-129

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I suspect, by the way, that the military is lying about the extent of the damage to the sub Well, of course they are! They were carrying the crew of a UFO that had crashed in the Pacific when they found that they had to surface quickly or the aliens would die from methane exposure (baked beans on the menu that day). The only question in my mind is whether the captain was Elvis or Jim Morrison. I’m pleased to see somebody else who can understand the obvious truth here. Giles

Indeed. We have a plethora of peculiar posters here who believe in all sorts of strangeness. Right now, for example, Igor is being followed around town by three guys in a black helicopter. — Harry Krause Well, that’s going to be up to the pundits and the people to make up their mind. I’ll tell you what is a president for him, for example, talking about my record in the state of Texas. I mean, he’s willing to say anything in order to convince people that I haven’t had a good record in Texas. -GW Bush

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I suspect, by the way, that the military is lying about the extent of the damage to the sub

Well, of course they are! They were carrying the crew of a UFO that had crashed in the Pacific when they found that they had to surface quickly or the aliens would die from methane exposure (baked beans on the menu that day). The only question in my mind is whether the captain was Elvis or Jim Morrison. I’m pleased to see somebody else who can understand the obvious truth here. Giles

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I suspect, by the way, that the military is lying about the extent of the damage to the sub. There may well be casualties on board in some compartments. When they ascend, they isolate the compartments, but it is quite possible that the hull has been punctured.

On the UK news they have been showing what appear to be current shots of the sub. There are what appear to be paint marks on part of the rear section, but no sign of any damage to the vessel. Apparently the sub has been helping in the rescue effort so the chances of any casualties in its crew is highly unlikely. David Patrick

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I doubt it.  First the subs are designed for greater than a 1000 psi on the hull.  They are designed to survive depth charge attacks.  They are big ships.  Even the attack boats.  I understand they hit the fishing boat with the stern of the sub.  So there is a very strong structure in this area because of the Reactors and support the driving of a ship with out the propellers torque the boat.  There will most likely be at least one opening for a new sub driver. Bill

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I suspect, by the way, that the military is lying about the extent of the damage to the sub. There may well be casualties on board in some compartments. When they ascend, they isolate the compartments, but it is quite possible that the hull has been punctured. igor * Greeneville was a 688i attack boat. Apparently the boat * was performing an emergency surface either for * maintenance or training when the Greeneville hit the Jap. * ship which sank in five minutes.  Nine presumed dead. * It’s a damn shame.  Should NOT have happened.  I heard * she scraped her stern planes/rudder. We’ve already * apologized, and we’ll owe the Japanese people some money. * * I’m waiting with dread for that fuckhead "A. Melon" * to come and ruin Toppan’s newsgroup with his * ceaseless drivel about "coverup"…. * * I wonder what Eugene Fluckey thinks of all this… * * * What type of sub is Greenville? Boomer or Attack? * Any word on how damaged she is? Just wondering. * Chris K-129 * * —            Do your algebra homework at http://www.algebra.com Solve: x^2+4x+3=0     Plot: y=3*sin(x^2)   Ask Questions  Word Problems

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If the Greenville was doing an exercise, why the hell did she not know that trawler was up there.  Sonar and passive listening would have easily pinpointed a trawler on the surface.  What the heck was the Captain thinking??  You don’t do an emergency exercise with a civilian vessel sitting there.  Sounds like Court-martial time to me.  (Unless, there was a legitimate on board emergency that dictated a real emergency surface.) Greeneville was a 688i attack boat. Apparently the boat was performing an emergency surface either for maintenance or training when the Greeneville hit the Jap. ship which sank in five minutes.  Nine presumed dead. It’s a damn shame.  Should NOT have happened.  I heard she scraped her stern planes/rudder. We’ve already apologized, and we’ll owe the Japanese people some money.

What is the price of a mother, father daughter or son??

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If the Greenville was doing an exercise, why the hell did she not know that trawler was up there.  Sonar and passive listening would have easily pinpointed a trawler on the surface.  What the heck was the Captain thinking??  You don’t do an emergency exercise with a civilian vessel sitting there.  Sounds like Court-martial time to me.  (Unless, there was a legitimate on board emergency that dictated a real emergency surface.)

FWIW: "Retired Navy Capt. Alec Fraser told CNN that the protocol for bringing a submarine to the surface is typically strictly followed. The submarine first searches the waters in front of the vessel by sonar, Fraser said, and then it alters course so that the propellers don’t disrupt an acoustic search of the area behind it. If all appears clear, the vessel rises to periscope depth — about 20 to 30 feet below the surface — and the waters are surveyed visually to ensure they are clear, he said. Only then does it rise to the surface, he said." — Mac.

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