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Hi Jennifer,         Johnny here…         Just intruding into your thread long enough to ask a question. So far on the list of people that others have said they would be happy if they left: Denny Mike D Peter B Pam Johnny (If I remember correctly) – later retracted

        My insecurity is killing me. Must have been asleep at the         keyboard. Will the poster who desired that I leave the         newsgroup please step forward and share your reasons with me?         I would like to share with you about them. Alan People  who’ve threatened to leave: Peter B Trisha Pam (not to sure about this one, but I think you mentioned leaving with your first post)

New Category People who may have to leave whether they want to or not: Johnny others I can’t remember. snipped only because my well of words is dry right at the moment.

But I want to tell you Jennifer, they were special feelings. Jennifer

Love & Healing, Johnny How shall I walk this frightful path before me? Boldly without a glance to either left or right? Never…for I and others have been made to feel the barbs that lay along the way. How then shall I walk? With caution; carefully placing one foot before the other. Glancing often to each side, but with my eyes forever on the goal that for me there shall be…             "No More Victims." (Johnny; from "The House of Pain:" March 1997)

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 [..] New Category People who may have to leave whether they want to or not: Johnny

Johnny, I hope you can stay.. And a special thanks for cancelling peter’s post.. Love & Healing, Johnny How shall I walk this frightful path before me? Boldly without a glance to either left or right? Never…for I and others have been made to feel the barbs that lay along the way. How then shall I walk? With caution; carefully placing one foot before the other. Glancing often to each side, but with my eyes forever on the goal that for me there shall be…             "No More Victims." (Johnny; from "The House of Pain:" March 1997)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So far on the list of people that others have said they would be happy if they left: Denny Mike D Peter B Pam Johnny (If I remember correctly) – later retracted    My insecurity is killing me. Must have been asleep at the    keyboard. Will the poster who desired that I leave the    newsgroup please step forward and share your reasons with me?    I would like to share with you about them.

Johnny, it was part of someone’s introduction letter to the group, saying that you and other offenders didn’t belong here, or something like that.  Big sense of mistrust coming from whatever the post said exactly.  That person later came back, I don’t remember who it was exactly becuase there have been a number of new people just joining.  I believed they apoligized, were having a really bad day or something, I don’t remember the post exactly. i just remember that your return post to that letter was what started the "offenders are capable of humanity too" idea in my head.  Even later posts that got me to the point of "I can’t hate these people without some consideration into their personality past what they’ve done", and how much i hated you sometimes for rudely awakening me from my little world where you stopped being a person when you abused someone and there was no going back to being a person.  i haven’t seen any posts asking you to leave since then, so I wouldn’t worry about it. Alan People  who’ve threatened to leave: Peter B Trisha Pam (not to sure about this one, but I think you mentioned leaving with your first post) New Category People who may have to leave whether they want to or not: Johnny

Like I said, I haven’t heard anyone wanting you to leave since that one post.  I sure the hell don’t want you to leave ( I don’t want to even face the prospect of how irregular your communication to the group is going to be after this friday, be sure to take that address with you).  I’m sure others feel the same way.  I was just making a point about all the flaming and crap that has been going on.  Just getting a little tired of it, sorry if i brought up any issues for you, I didn’t mean to hurt you, or make you wonder if you were really wanted here or not.  I believe, just from the feeling I’ve gotten on this group that the overwhelming majority wants you here.  You aint going to be allowed to leave that easily. But I want to tell you Jennifer, they were special feelings.

sorry, I’m a little confused, were you talking about my feelings of being frustrated with everything in my life right now?  if so, thanks :) Jennifer Love & Healing,

As always, also to you. I love this poem.  Do you mind if I share it with my counseling group if I wanted? How shall I walk this frightful path before me? Boldly without a glance to either left or right? Never…for I and others have been made to feel the barbs that lay along the way. How then shall I walk? With caution; carefully placing one foot before the other. Glancing often to each side, but with my eyes forever on the goal that for me there shall be…             "No More Victims." (Johnny; from "The House of Pain:" March 1997)

Jennifer

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People threaten to leave all the time and others request that they not let the door hit them on the way out.  Par for the course around here. Don’t let it get to you.  Its sort of like storming off to your room during a family fight. Sometime there are deep problems in net relations and then people do leave or they do stop being friends.  That happens around here also.  It is usually a problem within the person that leaves or between the two people who stop being friends.  Don’t let that get to you either.  What is in your control is what is important, people here are generally not. So far on the list of people that others have said they would be happy if they left: Denny Mike D Peter B Pam Johnny (If I remember correctly) – later retracted Alan

This has got to be the "short" list. People  who’ve threatened to leave: Peter B Trisha Pam (not to sure about this one, but I think you mentioned leaving with your first post)

There "have" to be more than that. others I can’t remember.

Do you really want to, and is it really that important???? why does it feel like we’re ready to lose about half the group?

We aren’t, it just seems like that sometimes.  How supportive is it to tell people to leave and never come back? No very, but sometimes that what comes out in anger.   I know some people have said some really abusive things, and we open up letters from them with apprehension.  I’ve quick deleted through a bunch of alan’s posts after reading them.  I don’t like the way he’s trashed people and said that they were making up characters, the essense of all sickness, etc., but I support his right to stay here.  I may want to delete his posts without reading them, but I do read to at least acknowledge what he is saying.

Wow!! how can you tell :-) ????  Alan abuses everybody.  I cannot think of one person he does not abuse.  He is a special case, you’ll get to know that.  He has every right to be here, but not to say the abusive things he does.     Can the bickering stop?  I know that by writing I’m probably not helping the situation any..I just feel really frustrated right now. Frustrated with life, frustrated with this group, frustrated with school, frustrated with my parents (majorly so)….frustrated.

Sorry things aren’t going well for you, it makes it harder to deal with all the unrest here.  But this is the e-world, in the real world things can sometimes work out better, cause, hopefully, you have more personal power.  Can we not say anything abusive…I know we can go through it for 24 hours, can we try for 48 now?

It was hard enough for some just going 24, they may pop if they have to go 48, how about you taking 24 hours and skipping over abusive posts. Jennifer

It’ll get better Jennifer, Peter’s on vacation :-) — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:

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writes: Sigh….. you just can’t stay away from me can you peter???? Sheeze. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes: Wow!! how can you tell :-) ????  Alan abuses everybody.  I cannot think of one person he does not abuse.  He is a special case, you’ll get to know that.  He has every right to be here, but not to say the abusive things he does.   crisis, why doesn’t alan have a right to say abusive things? BTW, I agree but I never thought you’d ever say that anyone should be stopped from expressing themself. Or does this mean that only those things you define as abusive that others do not have a right to express? And I suspect this will get a single one-liner response.  Peter B

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Wow!! how can you tell :-) ????  Alan abuses everybody.  I cannot think of one person he does not abuse.  He is a special case, you’ll get to know that.  He has every right to be here, but not to say the abusive things he does.  

crisis, why doesn’t alan have a right to say abusive things? BTW, I agree but I never thought you’d ever say that anyone should be stopped from expressing themself. Or does this mean that only those things you define as abusive that others do not have a right to express? And I suspect this will get a single one-liner response.   Peter B

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Johnny, Oh, okay.  i guess I don’t pick up your humor very easily.  It’s just that you usually come off as such a serious person.  I’m glad you weren’t hurt. and yes, you’re right, it was Trisha.  now that that’s resolved :) I know the feeling of needing to see someone punished by authority for how they hurt you.  Normally, I’d be like lock them up, throw away the key, paralyze them from the neck down.etc, etc etc…  Your case, it’s different somehow.  Either I’m changing, growing up, or just not myself these days.  I would prefer the former two.  I could see the healing purpose it might do them.  But I wonder if they can see the potential for a greater amount of healing that I can?  Somehow, I doubt it.  Maybe one day, they will. Jennifer

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So far on the list of people that others have said they would be happy if they left: Denny Mike D Peter B Pam Johnny (If I remember correctly) – later retracted Alan With kind regards, – The Interessee

Oh please share any suggestions that you have about who it is that you feel should be booted out of the newsgroup.  Crisis wondering when this pointless requesting of people to leave and list making and stuff is going to end, cause nobody has the power to boot anyone here. — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:

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Hi Jennifer,         Johnny here… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jennifer said: So far on the list of people that others have said they would be happy if they left: Denny Mike D Peter B Pam Johnny (If I remember correctly) – later retracted        Johnny said:        My insecurity is killing me. Must have been asleep at the        keyboard. Will the poster who desired that I leave the        newsgroup please step forward and share your reasons with me?        I would like to share with you about them.

Johnny, it was part of someone’s introduction letter to the group, saying that you and other offenders didn’t belong here, or something like that.  Big sense of mistrust coming from whatever the post said exactly.  That person later came back, I don’t remember who it was exactly becuase there have been a number of new people just joining.  I believed they apoligized, were having a really bad day or something, I don’t remember the post exactly. i just remember that your return post to that letter was what started the "offenders are capable of humanity too" idea in my head.

Johnny said:         Oooh oooh I remember now it was Tricia. Jennifer said: Even later posts that got me to the point of "I can’t hate these people without some consideration into their personality past what they’ve done", and how much i hated you sometimes for rudely awakening me from my little world where you stopped being a person when you abused someone and there was no going back to being a person.  i haven’t seen any posts asking you to leave since then, so I wouldn’t worry about it.

Johnny said:         I wasn’t really worried about it Jennifer. I was actually half kidding. I would have liked to discuss the persons reasons, but now I remember Tricia’s post quite well and I understood completely where she was coming from. In fact she has posted in response to me once in another thread….nice lady. Of course I like anyone who likes motorcycles, but that is another story. Alan’s stuff; snipped sorry Alan. Johnny said: New Category People who may have to leave whether they want to or not: Johnny Jennifer said: Johnny Like I said, I haven’t heard anyone wanting you to leave since that one post.  I sure the hell don’t want you to leave ( I don’t want to even face the prospect of how irregular your communication to the group is going to be after this friday, be sure to take that address with you).  I’m sure others feel the same way.  

Johnny said:         I will miss watching you grow in your healing Jennifer. I will have your’s and other addresses given to me when I go to court. This is considered necessary by the people that I have harmed. They believe that in order for them to heal I must be punished for what I did to them. What they do not realize is that  nothing that the legal justice system will ever be able to do to me will equal the pain I have felt and still feel for the pain that I have put my victims through. Some people in this world are only capable of seeing black and white. To them all is black. I live in a gray world. If I did not, I truely believe I would have died long ago. Maybe someday they will be able to see in gray also. I hope so for I believe that is where true healing will begin. Joennifer said: I was just making a point about all the flaming and crap that has been going on.  Just getting a little tired of it, sorry if i brought up any issues for you, I didn’t mean to hurt you, or make you wonder if you were really wanted here or not.  I believe, just from the feeling I’ve gotten on this group that the overwhelming majority wants you here.  You aint going to be allowed to leave that easily.

Johnny said:         You brought up no issues for me. I was being playful with my post. I am notorious for my inability to express humor in a way that others can understand it. I should learn to use spoilers for my feeble attempts at humor. Johnny said: But I want to tell you Jennifer, they were special feelings. Jennifer said: sorry, I’m a little confused, were you talking about my feelings of being frustrated with everything in my life right now?  if so, thanks :)

Jennifer said: why does it feel like we’re ready to lose about half the group?  How supportive is it to tell people to leave and never come back?  I know some people have said some really abusive things, and we open up letters from them with apprehension.  I’ve quick deleted through a bunch of alan’s posts after reading them.  I don’t like the way he’s trashed people and said that they were making up characters, the essense of all sickness, etc., but I support his right to stay here. I may want to delete his posts without reading them, but I do read to at least acknowledge what he is saying.  Can the bickering stop?  I know that by writing I’m probably not helping the situation any..I just feel really frustrated right now. Frustrated with life, frustrated with this group, frustrated with school, frustrated with my parents (majorly so)….frustrated.  Can we not say anything abusive…I know we can go through it for 24 hours, can we try for 48 now? Johnny said:         These were words of acknowledgement, acceptance and reconciliation. They were gently and lovingly spoken. They encouraged cooperation not divisiveness. Jennifer Love & Healing, As always, also to you. I love this poem.  Do you mind if I share it with my counseling group if I wanted?

Johnny said:         With my blessings. How shall I walk this frightful path before me? Boldly without a glance to either left or right? Never…for I and others have been made to feel the barbs that lay along the way. How then shall I walk? With caution; carefully placing one foot before the other. Glancing often to each side, but with my eyes forever on the goal that for me there shall be…             "No More Victims." (Johnny; from "The House of Pain:" March 1997) Jennifer

Love & Healing, Johnny How shall I walk this frightful path before me? Boldly without a glance to either left or right? Never…for I and others have been made to feel the barbs that lay along the way. How then shall I walk? With caution; carefully placing one foot before the other. Glancing often to each side, but with my eyes forever on the goal that for me there shall be…             "No More Victims." (Johnny; from "The House of Pain:" March 1997)

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Jenny, you so often are a voice of sanity in this place. Keep contributing. And those who have to leave and do recovery elsewhere – go for it.  Those who want to stay – stay. Why worry about it. This place goes dead, maybe it means the world is healthier because of it – and the NG worked and its life is at an end. And I dont live my life under threats, or people leaving me. That is their stuff and they will leave anyway if that is what they want to do and of course blame on Rio, or the NG or my "tone" or "style" of communicating, or Dennies promption trips that he can not and will not state how healthy it can be in certain situations that he himself has personally experienced.  Or other people coming in acting out and taking inventories while ignoring the topic or issue. The person becomes the issue just like the child in shaming was the issue. They have not gotten the distiction and the difference yet, and repeating it might be helpful – but the solution will come in their body doing the applied psychology.  Mindtalk can only go so far, then the person must go into the body. If they dont, just wait, years, decades, lifetimes. And go enjoy yourself. No need to rescue people who want to take their time. Alan P&M4comsec – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So far on the list of people that others have said they would be happy if they left: Denny Mike D Peter B Pam Johnny (If I remember correctly) – later retracted Alan People  who’ve threatened to leave: Peter B Trisha Pam (not to sure about this one, but I think you mentioned leaving with your first post) others I can’t remember. why does it feel like we’re ready to lose about half the group?  How supportive is it to tell people to leave and never come back?  I know some people have said some really abusive things, and we open up letters from them with apprehension.  I’ve quick deleted through a bunch of alan’s posts after reading them.  I don’t like the way he’s trashed people and said that they were making up characters, the essense of all sickness, etc., but I support his right to stay here.  I may want to delete his posts without reading them, but I do read to at least acknowledge what he is saying.  Can the bickering stop?  I know that by writing I’m probably not helping the situation any..I just feel really frustrated right now. Frustrated with life, frustrated with this group, frustrated with school, frustrated with my parents (majorly so)….frustrated.  Can we not say anything abusive…I know we can go through it for 24 hours, can we try for 48 now? Jennifer

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People threaten to leave all the time and others request that they not let the door hit them on the way out.  Par for the course around here. Don’t let it get to you.  Its sort of like storming off to your room during a family fight. Something I’m not used to becuase we didn’t walk off until our parents were through with whatever they wanted to say to us.  I guess I’m just going to have to learn now, won’t I?

Some of us take a while.  *I* was always told to GO to my room, after I had been beaten. That’s why I have a difficult time, when someone else tells me to do something! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sometime there are deep problems in net relations and then people do leave or they do stop being friends.  That happens around here also.  It is usually a problem within the person that leaves or between the two people who stop being friends.  Don’t let that get to you either.  What is in your control is what is important, people here are generally not. You sound like some therapists I’ve had in the past…I should have known this lesson was involved in this.  I can only control my reactions and actions, not anyone elses.  * starts playing the broken record that repeats over and over*  Some people here will figure this is still one of my weak points every once in awhile.

Of course, none of the REST of us have any problems in that area!  ;-) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So far on the list of people that others have said they would be happy if they left: Denny Mike D Peter B Pam Johnny (If I remember correctly) – later retracted Alan This has got to be the "short" list. I’m sure it is..I’ve only been here about a month and a half, max. People  who’ve threatened to leave: Peter B Trisha Pam (not to sure about this one, but I think you mentioned leaving with your first post) There "have" to be more than that. others I can’t remember. Do you really want to, and is it really that important???? no.  It isn’t why does it feel like we’re ready to lose about half the group? We aren’t, it just seems like that sometimes.  How supportive is it to tell people to leave and never come back? No very, but sometimes that what comes out in anger.   I know some people have said some really abusive things, and we open up letters from them with apprehension.  I’ve quick deleted through a bunch of alan’s posts after reading them.  I don’t like the way he’s trashed people and said that they were making up characters, the essense of all sickness, etc., but I support his right to stay here.  I may want to delete his posts without reading them, but I do read to at least acknowledge what he is saying. Wow!! how can you tell :-) ????  Alan abuses everybody.  I cannot think of one person he does not abuse.  He is a special case, you’ll get to know that.  He has every right to be here, but not to say the abusive things he does.   *grin*  oh, i don’t know….I’ve gotten more 12 stuff from him in the past month than I have in the 5 months I spent going to the twelve step group I was in. other than that, it might have to do with what seems to be a general attitude.   Can the bickering stop?  I know that by writing I’m probably not helping the situation any..I just feel really frustrated right now. Frustrated with life, frustrated with this group, frustrated with school, frustrated with my parents (majorly so)….frustrated. Sorry things aren’t going well for you, it makes it harder to deal with all the unrest here.  But this is the e-world, in the real world things can sometimes work out better, cause, hopefully, you have more personal power. I’ll have more personal power when I can totally detach all feeling towards my folks, until then, I’ve pretty much locked my own chains here I guess.

Some of the hardest chains to break–but they CAN be! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Can we not say anything abusive…I know we can go through it for 24 hours, can we try for 48 now? It was hard enough for some just going 24, they may pop if they have to go 48, how about you taking 24 hours and skipping over abusive posts. Better Idea than asking everyone else to refrain.  HOpefully, it’ll be easier to tell from the first word. Jennifer It’ll get better Jennifer, Peter’s on vacation :-) I’m assuming from the twells account and this letter that this must be crisis.  I felt it when i saw the twells account, but this I think confirmed it a little for me.  The mystery person is….?  I’m sorry, but this line gave me the biggest smile I’ve had in a long time, that and the how did you know question :)

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*So far on the list of people that others have said they would be happy if *they left: *Denny *Mike D *Peter B *Pam *Johnny (If I remember correctly) – later retracted *Alan *People  who’ve threatened to leave: *Peter B *Trisha *Pam (not to sure about this one, but I think you mentioned leaving with *your first post) *others I can’t remember. why does it feel like we’re ready to lose about half the group?  How supportive is it to tell people to leave and never come back?  I know some people have said some really abusive things, and we open up letters from them with apprehension.  I’ve quick deleted through a bunch of alan’s posts after reading them.  I don’t like the way he’s trashed people and said that they were making up characters, the essense of all sickness, etc., but I support his right to stay here. I may want to delete his posts without reading them, but I do read to at least acknowledge what he is saying.  Can the bickering stop?  I know that by writing I’m probably not helping the situation any..I just feel really frustrated right now. Frustrated with life, frustrated with this group, frustrated with school, frustrated with my parents (majorly so)….frustrated.  Can we not say anything abusive…I know we can go through it for 24 hours, can we try for 48 now? Jennifer The thing we must remember about this ng is there are allot of hurting people who are in the process of healing, unfortunately this process is not a short one.  Because we are still healing we may be a bit sensitive and a bit short tempered.  It is good to ask people to try not to bicker, but if they fail please don’t be so hard on them. There may be some of us here who have not yet started down that road of healing and maybe some of who have may show them the way.  It is a good idea look behind what was said and see the pain behind it.  We all have to start somewhere and we all need to be patient with each other because we deserve it. BTW, I intend to stay. Eterna

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People threaten to leave all the time and others request that they not let the door hit them on the way out.  Par for the course around here. Don’t let it get to you.  Its sort of like storming off to your room during a family fight.

Something I’m not used to becuase we didn’t walk off until our parents were through with whatever they wanted to say to us.  I guess I’m just going to have to learn now, won’t I? Sometime there are deep problems in net relations and then people do leave or they do stop being friends.  That happens around here also.  It is usually a problem within the person that leaves or between the two people who stop being friends.  Don’t let that get to you either.  What is in your control is what is important, people here are generally not.

You sound like some therapists I’ve had in the past…I should have known this lesson was involved in this.  I can only control my reactions and actions, not anyone elses.  * starts playing the broken record that repeats over and over*  Some people here will figure this is still one of my weak points every once in awhile. So far on the list of people that others have said they would be happy if they left: Denny Mike D Peter B Pam Johnny (If I remember correctly) – later retracted Alan This has got to be the "short" list.

I’m sure it is..I’ve only been here about a month and a half, max. People  who’ve threatened to leave: Peter B Trisha Pam (not to sure about this one, but I think you mentioned leaving with your first post) There "have" to be more than that. others I can’t remember. Do you really want to, and is it really that important????

no.  It isn’t – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – why does it feel like we’re ready to lose about half the group? We aren’t, it just seems like that sometimes.  How supportive is it to tell people to leave and never come back? No very, but sometimes that what comes out in anger.   I know some people have said some really abusive things, and we open up letters from them with apprehension.  I’ve quick deleted through a bunch of alan’s posts after reading them.  I don’t like the way he’s trashed people and said that they were making up characters, the essense of all sickness, etc., but I support his right to stay here.  I may want to delete his posts without reading them, but I do read to at least acknowledge what he is saying. Wow!! how can you tell :-) ????  Alan abuses everybody.  I cannot think of one person he does not abuse.  He is a special case, you’ll get to know that.  He has every right to be here, but not to say the abusive things he does.  

*grin*  oh, i don’t know….I’ve gotten more 12 stuff from him in the past month than I have in the 5 months I spent going to the twelve step group I was in. other than that, it might have to do with what seems to be a general attitude.   Can the bickering stop?  I know that by writing I’m probably not helping the situation any..I just feel really frustrated right now. Frustrated with life, frustrated with this group, frustrated with school, frustrated with my parents (majorly so)….frustrated. Sorry things aren’t going well for you, it makes it harder to deal with all the unrest here.  But this is the e-world, in the real world things can sometimes work out better, cause, hopefully, you have more personal power.

I’ll have more personal power when I can totally detach all feeling towards my folks, until then, I’ve pretty much locked my own chains here I guess.  Can we not say anything abusive…I know we can go through it for 24 hours, can we try for 48 now? It was hard enough for some just going 24, they may pop if they have to go 48, how about you taking 24 hours and skipping over abusive posts.

Better Idea than asking everyone else to refrain.  HOpefully, it’ll be easier to tell from the first word. Jennifer It’ll get better Jennifer, Peter’s on vacation :-)

I’m assuming from the twells account and this letter that this must be crisis.  I felt it when i saw the twells account, but this I think confirmed it a little for me.  The mystery person is….?  I’m sorry, but this line gave me the biggest smile I’ve had in a long time, that and the how did you know question :) Jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:

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So far on the list of people that others have said they would be happy if they left: Denny Mike D Peter B Pam Johnny (If I remember correctly) – later retracted Alan People  who’ve threatened to leave: Peter B Trisha Pam (not to sure about this one, but I think you mentioned leaving with your first post) others I can’t remember. why does it feel like we’re ready to lose about half the group?  How supportive is it to tell people to leave and never come back?  I know some people have said some really abusive things, and we open up letters from them with apprehension.  I’ve quick deleted through a bunch of alan’s posts after reading them.  I don’t like the way he’s trashed people and said that they were making up characters, the essense of all sickness, etc., but I support his right to stay here.  I may want to delete his posts without reading them, but I do read to at least acknowledge what he is saying.  Can the bickering stop?  I know that by writing I’m probably not helping the situation any..I just feel really frustrated right now. Frustrated with life, frustrated with this group, frustrated with school, frustrated with my parents (majorly so)….frustrated.  Can we not say anything abusive…I know we can go through it for 24 hours, can we try for 48 now? Jennifer

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