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World Tribunal on Iraq

Question:

Saddam was not "the" problem, as if he was the only thing wrong over there. Again, Bill, that’s stereotyping.

^^^^^^^ That sentence is what i get for trying to multitask. :-) Duh. Ignore the last sentence there if you will. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They have as many problems in that country as any other. As for continued American occupation in Iraq, do you not read from varying news sources? Some claim this, others claim that. It all depends on the political standpoint of the media company reporting the issue. Hell, that goes for almost all major media.

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You have one big problem with your view of Iraq. The people of Iraq do not agree with you.

I did not speak for every single Iraqi, and neither should you or anyone else. "Stereotyping", i believe it’s called, Bill. Not a critical way to view things. It should be obvious that some like the present circumstances, and others do not. People will always differ in what they view as good and right. If the problem was Saddam and he is now captured, why don’t we turn the country back over to the Iraqi’s and let them sort out how they want to run it?

Saddam was not "the" problem, as if he was the only thing wrong over there. Again, Bill, that’s stereotyping. They have as many problems in that country as any other. As for continued American occupation in Iraq, do you not read from varying news sources? Some claim this, others claim that. It all depends on the political standpoint of the media company reporting the issue. Hell, that goes for almost all major media.

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You have one big problem with your view of Iraq. The people of Iraq do not agree with you. If the problem was Saddam and he is now captured, why don’t we turn the country back over to the Iraqi’s and let them sort out how they want to run it? — Bill

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ….And furthermore!!!! :-) Do you know any electricians, cable or satellite technicians? Companies have rushed to Iraq, after Saddam’s capture, to sell and install televisions, satellite dishes, setup cable and internet networks. Maybe you forgot, or didn’t know, that Saddam only wanted his populace to see his side of every story. For the first time (i guess in forever) the Iraqi people will be able to learn about what’s really happening in the world – not just a biased view full of lies, religious brainwashing and disinformation. What makes me especially happy is watching responses when soldiers give toys and writing utensils to Iraqi children. They play frisbee and soccer with these kids.  Nothing is more exciting to many of these kids than having a polaroid snapped of them, and being given the picture seconds later. Instead of bitching about things you cannot prove, why not help out?

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….And furthermore!!!! :-) Do you know any electricians, cable or satellite technicians? Companies have rushed to Iraq, after Saddam’s capture, to sell and install televisions, satellite dishes, setup cable and internet networks. Maybe you forgot, or didn’t know, that Saddam only wanted his populace to see his side of every story. For the first time (i guess in forever) the Iraqi people will be able to learn about what’s really happening in the world – not just a biased view full of lies, religious brainwashing and disinformation. What makes me especially happy is watching responses when soldiers give toys and writing utensils to Iraqi children. They play frisbee and soccer with these kids.  Nothing is more exciting to many of these kids than having a polaroid snapped of them, and being given the picture seconds later. Instead of bitching about things you cannot prove, why not help out?

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So what the fuck did you expect him to do after we imposed 10 years of sanctions against Iraq which resulted in the death of 500,000 Iraqis, mostly the elderly & children?

Unsubstantiated nonsense. How about we release him, return all his gold-plated assault rifles, publicly apologize for stopping his slaughter of people in Kuwait? Apologize for ending his regime, which was a miserable economic failure for the *majority* of Iraqis? Genius.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –       World Tribunal on Iraq       Premeditated Death and Destruction Unleashed Against a Sovereign Nation and People       by Niloufer Bhagwat       Opening statement before the Iraq tribunal hearings at Tokyo,       11 Dec 2004 Honorable Judges , Prosecutors , Amici Curiae , witnesses of the satanic death and destruction of the people of Iraq , of homes and livelihood , of hospitals , schools and places of worship; concerned citizens of Japan . We live in strange times. For even as a war rages fiercely in Iraq which in epic terms can be compared to a "Mahabharat" , a fierce war between the forces of right and wrong , justice and injustice , occupation and national liberation ; we resume this trial in the dark shadows of an "Apocalypse" which is the continuing military occupation and the reduction of the entire population of Iraq into the inmates of a vast concentration camp unmonitored even by the Red Cross and other UN and other International humanitarian organizations. Unprecedented in the annals of legal history, evidence is being recorded in this trial even as crimes continue to be committed with impunity, bringing home to us the reality of human existence, that words are never enough to defeat a brutal tyranny and even those of us who use words as tools are speechless in the face of the deliberate and premeditated death and destruction unleashed against a sovereign nation and people ,a member state of the United Nations waged solely to capture its oil resources and with that objective to subjugate and eliminate its population through one strategy or another. Millions of people in the world including in the United States , even before the aggression and military occupation commenced , much before we commenced our slow and painstaking examination of evidence and precedents , sensing imminent and unprecedented danger to the peoples of the entire world including to soldiers recruited to defend Republics and parliamentary democracies proceeded to pronounce their verdict against the doctrine of "continuous war " against one nation or another ;against the conversion of domestic economies into "war economies" even as thousands and thereafter millions were rendered unemployed .The people across continents opposed the policy of "blood for oil" and declared their rejection of this strategy of pre-emptive war for the control of resources of other societies and nations . The International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War had estimated before the military onslaught that a fresh attack against Iraq would result in the deaths of anywhere between 48,000 to 260,000 Iraqi citizens and that post-war effects could take the lives of an additional 200,000 Iraqis excluding those killed in the 1991 attack on Iraq and those dead because of illegal sanctions imposed on the civilian population of Iraq by the Security Council and issue which I had dealt with in detail at Kyoto, quoting extensively from the statements of Mr. Dennis Halliday a former International Civil Servant of rare integrity who had resigned on the issues of sanctions claiming that it amounted to an illegal declaration of war on the civilian population. Now in the 19 month of the occupation by the military forces mainly drawn from the United States and UK along with other smaller contingents all members of the coalition of the aggressors ; Lancet Online Medical Journal based in the UK has published a study by American health experts and researchers at the John Hopkins School of Public Health, Columbia University and al Mustansiriya University Baghdad on the deaths of Iraqi civilians under the military occupation. The study confirms that : " Violent deaths were widespread..and were mainly attributed to coalition forces. Most individuals reportedly killed by coalition forces were women and children." The report went on to say that: "Making conservative assumptions , we think that about 100,000 excess deaths , or more have happened since the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Violence accounted for most of the excess deaths and air strikes of coalition forces accounted for most violent deaths." Les Roberts and Gilbert Burnham who collaborated on the research published informed the media that they had evidence of the use of air power in populated urban areas. Richard Horton editor of the Lancet in an editorial emphasized that the "findings also raise questions for those far removed from Iraq – in the governments of the countries responsible for launching a pre -emptive war". The mounting evidence of the human catastrophe in Iraq not seen since the days of the Second World War prima facie indicates that the death toll may be more but not less than 100,000 and even the Lancet report however sincere has underestimated the death toll from all facets of the Occupation. In assessing the extent of Genocide it is necessary to focus on the destruction and attack on hospitals and health clinics to deny medical relief to those who could be saved if the Iraqi health service was not destroyed . This strategy was visible in the policy of organized looting and destruction of Iraqi hospitals in the weeks and months after the attack .The deliberate bombing of water pipes, the cutting off of water supplies to cities and town under siege by US, UK and other forces , destruction of sewage pipes and sanitary facilities , of electricity and heating have condemned millions in Iraq to consume contaminated water and food ,as a consequence the old, the feeble, and the children have been dying of diarrhea and related diseases caused by contamination of food and water with lack of medicines and health care leading to an increase in mortality. This is an indicator that apart from death by violence the Occupation has condemned people to death from malnutrition and lack of food , and water and food borne diseases with inadequate health care directly caused by the Occupation . The intrepid reporter Dahr Jamail reporting for a weekly in Alaska has disclosed that from what he had seen in six months in Iraq at close quarters , it was difficult to find any family in Iraq who had not had a member killed on account of the conditions arising from the Occupation. And what of the heroic city of Fallujah which dared to resist the mercenaries of US and UK Security Companies and Agencies, who have no combatant status under the Geneva Convention in any armed conflict , yet are to-day high profile in one war after another in Bosnia, in Kosovo , in Afghanistan and other theatres including in the trafficking in human beings as slaves .On 14th October 2004 sensing that the city of 300,000 was to be singled out for destruction as it had become a symbol of Resistance against the Occupation ; the people of Fallujah through several organizations of Teachers, Tribal Leaders, the Shura Council , the Bar Association, through the President of the Study Centre of Human Rights and Democracy forwarded an urgent appeal to the Secretary General of the United Nations in these words: " Your Excellency, It is obvious that the American forces are committing crimes of genocide every day in Iraq .Now while we are writing to Your Excellency , the American warplanes are dropping their most powerful bombs on the civilians in the city , killing and injuring hundreds of innocent people . At the same time their tanks are attacking the city with their heavy artillery." "On the night of 13th October alone American bombardment demolished 50 houses on top of their residents. Is this a genocidal crime or a lesson about democracy? It is obvious that the Americans are committing acts of terror against the people of Fallujah for one reason only : their refusal to accept the Occupation." "Your Excellency and the whole world knows that the Americans and their allies devastated our country under the pretext of the threat of the Weapons of Mass Destruction .Now after the destruction and the killing of thousands of civilians , they have admitted that there were no weapons found .But they say nothing about all the crimes they have committed .Unfortunately everyone is now silent and will not dignify the murdered Iraqi civilians with words of condemnation .Are the Americans going to pay compensation as Iraq has been forced to do after the Gulf War…" " We know we are living in a world of double standards .In Fallujah , they have created a new vague target: AL ZARQAWI. This is a new pretext to justify their crimes, killing and daily bombardment of civilians. Almost a year has passed since they created this new pretext and whenever they destroy houses ..they said ‘We have launched a successful operation against AL Zarqawi. hey will never say that they have killed him because there is no such person. And that means the daily killings of civilians and the daily genocide will continue." "At the same time the representatives of Fallujah , our tribal leader has denounced on many occasions the kidnapping and killing of civilians , and we have no links to any group committing such inhuman behaviour." " Excellency , we appeal to you and to all the world leaders to exert the greatest pressure on the American administration to stop the crimes in Fallujah and withdraw their army..the

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Premeditated Death and Destruction Unleashed Against a Sovereign Nation and People Kind of what we did to the Nazis and Imperial Japan, eh? Minor detail: both had declared war on us. So had Saddam. Lie. Saddam had declared war on the USA, Israel and Britain openly in December 2000, just ten months prior to the 911 attacks.

So what the fuck did you expect him to do after we imposed 10 years of sanctions against Iraq which resulted in the death of 500,000 Iraqis, mostly the elderly & children? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – CNSNews.com Wednesday, Dec. 27, 2000 JERUSALEM

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