yet another question – coming when called
Wow, this new puppy stuff is way more complex than I thought!
INDEED? Perhaps that’s on accHOWENT of you’re relying on advice from liars dog abusers cowards and active incurable long term MENTAL CASES? Okay, so we have had Ella (5 month old Standard Poodle) for 3 days now.
Good for you. She’s starting to recognize her name (yay!),
Takes The Amazing Puppy Wizard’s FREE WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method Manual Students fifteen minutes to change a dog’s name and teach him to come. but does not come when called unless she feels like it (in which case she would have ambled over anyway).
Right. My questions:
You won’t be gettin no answers from HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL PATIENTS. Is coming when called something that needs to be taught?
Takes MINUTES if you know HOWE: Hi, Jerry. I’m not sure that I’m a 100% convert, or that I agree with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this manual … BUT … we had "come" down pat in a few reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber ball at my feet on command. He’s still not perfect (just a pup, after all, and he’s stubborn enough to want to push and test me a little bit more). For what it’s worth, I can see (as no doubt you have) how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even if that was the only method that would work, I’d live with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that. (Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively, tho’). Best, ben – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The dogs we had when I was a kid just sort of did it, no training necessary. —– Original Message —– To: jhowe Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM Jerry! You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago regarding submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you know he’s doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days using your techniques! He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"! Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter of minutes. Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer. I rescued two strays last week, cleaned ‘em up, wormed ‘em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to be good dogs! Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward to working with these guys a couple times a day… Although I don’t follow your instructions "to a T", I learned from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain rather than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense. I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone who beat MY ass lol! Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs. A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship". He’s hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it (pun intended)… Too cool…. Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work! Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard AND: how do you teach this? Okay, I gotta speak up here… We’ve been using Jerry’s methods with our dog. We had the same problem as the original poster has with Buzz. One day working with the family pack exercise and practicing the recall command with the family and she’ll now go out with hubby and daughter instead of needing me to reassure her or even refusing to go with anyone but me. I really urge you, regardless of the negative things you might hear about Jerry & Wits’ End here, to try the method and *judge the results for yourself*. Let’s see what other areas she’s improved in… always comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave it laying around, "re"housebroken after long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash, doesn’t try to steal food from our plates or beg… probably a few more things I’m forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi and don’t wander. jh). That’s in about a week’s time. Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive (except with her area/toys where she was possessive and nippy). She had been abused and beaten by previous owners, then she was in a shelter for months. They (most of them) wanted to give up and kill her. Now she’s gained confidence and trust with us. Last night was another big breakthrough (in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she barked just once when she heard the front door. Great! Anyway, you’ll be told lots of nasty stuff about Jerry or that the Wits’ End manual is culled from other sources. In my opinion, even if it is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves out the bad. Works for me. (And I suppose I gotta say this… I don’t know Jerry personally. I’ve emailed him and instant messaged him. I have not bought a "Doggy Do Right". He’s offered help for free.) Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy http://www.crneckiy.com & http://tarot.crneckiy.com AIM & Yahoo!: MickCrneckiy ~ ICQ: 72461227 Aloha Sunny, Just follow the training program to the letter, no matter how insignificant some of the step seem to be and your puppy will be a very well behaved dog in a few days. I would seriously consider backing out of the training classes as they will conflict with the Wit’s End principles. I went the training route first, and still had problems until I found Wits’ End. Now I have two "new and improved" dogs. You won’t be disappointed if you follow the program. Good luck, Hoku —– Original Message —– To: The Puppy Wizard Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM Aloha Jerry, Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy technique is working wonders. I have not had a shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice to be able to leave the bed made and come home to a made bed. Your program is awesome, but you already know that. Keep up the good work! Hoku Obviously we have no expectations right now, she’s still settling in, getting used to being away from her family, and getting to know us and her new home. Hey, Mr. Wizard, or Alchemist or whatever your alias of the day is, have to say that our dog heels much better than she did. This is after reading and implementing the bit in your "Wits End" treatise. And she’s a royal nutter (but then again, aren’t they all?). Cheers! Greg– I’m just trying to get a feel for the general timeline for these things. Well, it takes HOWER DOG LOVERS forever, maybe till heel freezes over, to train their dogs. Thanks! You’re welcome! So far you all have been such an enormous help and great resource! INDEED. You’re in EXXXCELLENT company here abHOWETS. ~angela RTFM is age-old computer lingo…. It stands for "Read TheF***ing Manual" I used the manual and it works very good! But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on A4-size paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching him something new takes about 30 minutes (depending on what to teach of course) My other dog (a 7year old staffordshire terrier-mix) is a bit slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad dog"whenever he did something i didn’t want him to do, or it might be the age. Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn something new: he wants me to bring along the can filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a "good dog", and never a "bad dog" There is no punishment or prong-collars involved. For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min’s without beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog, he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask permission" first, and to my surprise it worked! My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them), maybe this helped too. Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html — Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/ I read through his manual and tried the techniques on my puppy, who looked like growing up to be a mean-assed dog like her daddy. Guess what? It worked. More forceful methods might have allowed me to control her, but I don’t think I’d have the exquisitely gentle and well-behaved dog I do now. Charlie I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a bit of the literature suggested I needed to assert my dominance and "make the dog earn everything it gets." I tried this once or twice, just by taking a stern tone of voice, and the results were terrible. The pup got scared and just wanted to stay away from me.
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Okay, what is "flip-flap"? It’s a bit hard to describe;
No it ain’t. I used to call it a "backflip", but it isn’t quite one.
Seems NUTHIN is as it IS: sinofabitch writes: What I have said- repeatedly – is that he took posts from two different people, took pieces of them out of context, cobbled them together, then added his own words:
"Neatly," and "Smartly." and a fake signature.
"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which is exactly what he did. The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context, and Jerry’s faked "quote" is downright meaningless. Here’s Jerry’s version "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab’s Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side, Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch. Here’s yours; "I dropped the leash, threw my right arm over the Lab’s shoulder, grabbed her opposite foot with my left hand, rolled her on her side, leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and nipped her ear. –Sara Sionnach
HOWEDY diddler, Wow, this new puppy stuff is way more complex than I thought! Yeah? You think it’s as difficult as raising a 76 IQ simpleton like diddler got? Okay, so we have had Ella (5 month old Standard Poodle) for 3 days now. She’s starting to recognize her name (yay!), Like diddler’s idiot child. <snip Thanks! So far you all have been such an enormous help and great resource! INDEEDY. ~angela Yes, you teach a dog to come when called. That so? You need to HURT your dog to train IT. NEVER EVER ask her to come, if you are unhappy with her (AKA to get scolded) HOWE COME would anyWON punish or scold a DUMB ANIMAL, diddler? Do you punish and scold your retarded kid? She thinks you will be punishing her for coming, not for what she DID. Oh? Perhaps THAT’S HOWE COME you can’t train your dogs witHOWET HURTIN them, diddler. Having some special reward for her when she gets there increases the likely hood of her coming. So long as she wants your "REWARDS," diddler. You think your stinkin weenie is MOORE rewardin than chasin a passin garbage can or kitty kat? Be consistant. INDEEDY. You’ve consistently HURT and INTIMIDATED your dogs, diddler. THAT’S HOWE COME you can’t train your dogs not to escape your shock fence. Make SURE you can enforce every command before asking. (long lines help with this) You mean to force the dog when IT won’t come. Do not allow her to play the chase me game. Right. Don’t make trainin a game. Ask ONLY when you can follow up with a correction You mean HURT the dog, diddler. if she fails to complete the task. Instead of trainin IT. TAKE YOUR DOG and YOURSELF to OBEDIENCE SCHOOL. BWEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Give a command ONLY once. Well that means you can’t train the dog cause IT ain’t gonna know what you want when you first ask IT to do STUFF. So, repeating the command is a necessity. If she fails to complete the task.. correct. You mean HURT and INTIMIDATE the dog, diddler. If you ask twice, she will think it’s ok to ignore the FIRST command. UNLESS you know HOWE to install the command as a conditioned reflex in a couple of repetitions, diddler. Don’t fall into this. BWEEEAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!! You give a command.. and she follows it, or you fix it. You mean you HURT and INTIMIDATE the dog till she does what she didn’t understand or she woulda done it the first time. You’re a liar a dog abuser and a mental case, diddler. You can’t shoot leghold trap or strangle noose murder straight, diddler: "Franticly And Desperately Demanding To Go Out, I Finally Put Her In The barn, Locked Securely In A Horse Stall For The Night. Scary Thoughts. I Would Never Have Treated Her The Way I Did Last Night, If I Had Even A Clue That She Was Sick. I Feel So Badly," diddler. "My Husband Shot A Dog That Had Been Tearing Up Trash. USING FOOTHOLD TRAPS IN THE SNOW I FIND, IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE" Here’s diddler at her best: WHEN YOU CAN’T FIND ANY CATS TO SHOOT, SHOOT HUNGRY DOGS INSTEAD FOR GETTING IN THE GARBAGE Two nights ago, Reka started acting frantic about 11pm. I let her out. It’s coyote breeding season, and she is fascinated by them. I assumed she wanted to go out and listen to them howling. I brought her in, and she spent the night franticly and desperately demanding to go out. After about 4am, I finally put her in the barn, locked securely in a horse stall for the night. She came in by morning, and had a normal active, playful day. Last night, at 11pm, She franticly DEMANDED to go out. I let her out, and brought her in. At midnight, she DEMANDED to be let out. I let her out, but I went out to the barn and got a crate, and decided she could spend the rest of the night in the crate. We were NOT going to do a repeat of the previous night AGAIN. At 3am, she whined so loudly, I then decided not to allow her to set a precedence of this type of behavior. So I took her crate out to the heated gun shop and decided to let her act out her bad behavior in peace, and send a message that her obnoxious behavior was not going to be tolerated. This morning at 6am, I went out, and she had vomited (normal looking dog food) and defecated in her crate (not normal for Reka, but then, She normally didn’t sleep in a crate, NEVER gets corrected (she never does anything to GET corrected for) and was probably nerves from the outside experience, plus reprimand and solitary confinement.) I let her in the house while I cleaned the cage. Hoping I had made my point. She acted healthy and normal, and playful and chipper. But then I noticed a spot of blood on the bathroom linoleum and in the bathtub. I was the last to take a bath, so I knew REKA was the last in the tub. That blood didnt come from me, so it HAD to come from Reka. Thinking about her nearing the end of her heat cycle, I still didnt think a lot about it. I thought her obnoxious behavior the past couple nights WAS her heat cycle.. and corresponding coyote breeding season. Then while feeding her breakfast, I saw the whole story. She had blood (fresh) streaming from her RECTUM. UhOh. I had her at the vets office this morning before he opened. He just said her intestines were all bunched up with huge air pockets. Was there any chance that she ate strings of carpets? I said, last Thursday we took a plastic tarp out of the yard that we had over the grill to protect it from the weather because she was chewing it. That would explain EVERYTHING. The strings are binding and bunching up her intestines, cutting her internally and tying her intestines in knots as it works its way through. Reka is in a very critical situation. She is going to require extensive and expensive surgery that I cant afford. I will manage. Even with the surgery, her condition will be critical for awhile. Scary thoughts. I would never have treated her the way I did last night, if I had even a clue that she was sick. I feel so badly. — diddy Actually, I borrowed the vets office kitten once for a couple days for school education on pet care and safe handling as well as responsible pet ownership. I kept the kitten over night in a crate within a crate and yet my dog (yes, Angelic Danny, as well as Taya and Toby tore that kittne to threads from between the crate bars. (apparently he stuck his paws through the crate to bat at the dogs. I was out doing yard work and rushed in to find the little kittens pieces and parts being torn through by ALL the dogs. I called my girl friend to come get my dogs. I screamed displeasure, and stalked out with the kitten. Danny, et al spent 3 days in a kennel until I finally felt like I could interact with them without doing bodily harm. All three dogs were never touched, but knew they had done something so unspeakable that I wouldn’t associate with them and they got banished. To this day, Taya (mom and Dad’s dog) and Danny will not look at a cat. When confronted with one, Danny wees himself and cowers hiding behind me for help. I’m not saying this would work this way with all dogs, But mom and dad now have a house cat, and she has never been harmed by any of the dogs. Danny is there all the time, unsupervised, and has no interest in harming the cat. Neighbor Charged, Anchorage AK (and if the dog was penned quietly outside, what was it doing in his yard?) I shot a neighbors dog one night for chasing my horses and called him to help
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