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I’m a Sci-Fi fan, myself.  Mostly books, but some of the movies are watchable.  "Forbidden Planet", which you mention elsewhere was probably the first "serious" Sci-Fi movie and IMO, well done for it’s time. there were many from the 50’s most hinging on mutant ants, or crawling eye balls and things as well as the day the earth stood still a favorite of mine-body snatchers just hit me, that too was a good one Yep, lots of movies but most with thin plots and visible zippers in the rubber suits  :)    Ed wood would have been proud.

(grin) Often true, but let’s not forget Serling’s excellence in Zone. Some other greats from the era were "The Thing From Another World" and George Pal’s version of "War of the Worlds." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Contact" was good, I thought it followed the book reasonably well, although it placed emphasis in slightly different areas. I found it boring, I expected a more substantive conclusion or somethng more tangible I’d really like to see movies made of Arthur C. Clarke’s, "Rendezvous With Rama" (but only the first book) and of Niven/Pournelle’s, "Mote In God’s Eye".  Only by someone who loves them though.  :) My pet beef is horror movies called "Sci-Fi" because they are set in space or in the future.  Although I did think "Aliens" was a good movie, it lacks the things I want to see in a Sci-Fi. I like all good films-most horror is gore based, so it becomes a blood fest-good horror plays with ones mind a bit so it is plenty fun I like different types of movies, too.  I’m afraid my tendency to categorize things is coming through though.  Sci-Fi is here, horror there.  LOL I’m not much on blood and guts.  Although as a kid I wondered why they didn’t show any, now I wish they’d show less.  :)

The films are sometimes hard to categorize. Sci-Fi often overlaps with Horror. In video stores, I’ve been surprized to find some Sci-Fi films in the Horror section, and other’s in the Children’s/Disney section. Some films get put in a Midnight/Adult section simply for having suggestive or kinky moments. Let’s see … obscure … OK, I can’t remember a quote, but which movie had a "Friday" in it? the one where the fellow was stranded on Mars, with a "Friday" a slave who escaped from another planet-forget the name of the movie-mid 60’s I think Ah, not bad at all, but Arthur gets the prize for naming it.  I can see someone was watching late night TV.  :)    Or did you see that one in a theater?  

I feel privilaged to say that I first saw "Robinson Crusoe on Mars" at a classic drive-in theater with my parents as a kid. Of course, I later watched it on late night TV a few times. It’s been on in the past year, I think Turner Classic Movies?

Turner Classic Movies (TCM) does show classic Sci-Fi about one afternoon a month, but I haven’t seen TCM show Robinson Crusoe on Mars, yet they have shown many other Sci-Fi classics to their credit. I did see Crusoe on American Movie Classics (AMC) a few times over the last couple years. I wish that the Sci-Fi Channel would show classics more often (rather than a lot of the modern tripe they’ve been showing). Best and Stellar Wishes, Arthur — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a Sci-Fi fan, myself.  Mostly books, but some of the movies are watchable.  "Forbidden Planet", which you mention elsewhere was probably the first "serious" Sci-Fi movie and IMO, well done for it’s time. there were many from the 50’s most hinging on mutant ants, or crawling eye balls and things as well as the day the earth stood still a favorite of mine-body snatchers just hit me, that too was a good one Yep, lots of movies but most with thin plots and visible zippers in the rubber suits  :)    Ed wood would have been proud.

some of those B rated flicks have become quite campy-one oldie where the sand open up and people get smoe kind of zombified implant in their heads comes to mind-it starts off with a kid seeing a flying saucer landing in the sandy area near his house-it ends with him actually having dreamt the whole thing and then of course the "O’Henry" switch is he sees the flying saucer really landing-forget the name of it-Rocky Horror Show is another-people dress up and throw rice at Susan Sarandon for krips sake! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Contact" was good, I thought it followed the book reasonably well, although it placed emphasis in slightly different areas. I found it boring, I expected a more substantive conclusion or somethng more tangible I’d really like to see movies made of Arthur C. Clarke’s, "Rendezvous With Rama" (but only the first book) and of Niven/Pournelle’s, "Mote In God’s Eye".  Only by someone who loves them though.  :) My pet beef is horror movies called "Sci-Fi" because they are set in space or in the future.  Although I did think "Aliens" was a good movie, it lacks the things I want to see in a Sci-Fi. I like all good films-most horror is gore based, so it becomes a blood fest-good horror plays with ones mind a bit so it is plenty fun I like different types of movies, too.  I’m afraid my tendency to categorize things is coming through though.  Sci-Fi is here, horror there.  LOL

I prefer to view films as good ones or crap ones-it matters little to me what its actual genre is-I like so many of them-mostly oldies-thin man movies, the whole detective stuff, good sci fi or horror, comedy, Disney etc… I would have loved being a critc-what a way to make a living. I’m not much on blood and guts.  Although as a kid I wondered why they didn’t show any, now I wish they’d show less.  :) Let’s see … obscure … OK, I can’t remember a quote, but which movie had a "Friday" in it? the one where the fellow was stranded on Mars, with a "Friday" a slave who escaped from another planet-forget the name of the movie-mid 60’s I think Ah, not bad at all, but Arthur gets the prize for naming it.

I was plagued by the film for about a half hour after posting and while seeing a client the name Mona came to me-(the monkey) and of course the original Friday of Robinson Caruso and then the synapse fired and the name came to me-too late to post it and then when reading the group later on Arthur had hit the Jeapordy button quickly   I can see someone was watching late night TV.  :)    Or did you see that one in a theater?  It’s been on in the past year, I think Turner Classic Movies?

I saw it in the movies and then maybe once on the tube -most of the oldie sci fi stuff was generously played on "million Dollar movie" for the week, plus I had a nephew who liked sci fi, we partook shows often back then-now he is a sound man for the biz tnx, drr — The second nicest guy on the internet For a copy of the ASAPM FAQs please e-mail me at

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I always think of the 100+? year old VW Beetle that starts right up! Well and of course the actual passing of the ball!!

Don’t forget: "Are there any wierd and futuristic creatures around here, like with the body of a crab and the head of a social worker?" "Woff! Woff! Hello, I’m Rags." Best and Stellar Wishes, Arthur — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Don’t worry, I know the feeling. I try to act casual, but I must admit checking my notes.

:)   I must admit I did remember some partial quotes and took a quick look to see if they showed up on imdb.com to make sure I had them correct.  The few I "remembered" weren’t listed though. But I do recall they used that quote in "Contact".   Correct!!! I’m impressed. :)

Ah, I have it on DVD.  :) Now if I could only remember where I first heard it.  It sounds Asimov-ish. I’m not expert enough to say whether or not Asimov said it or like things. Regarding Asimov, I mostly remember his rules of robotics.

Asimov was intelligent, but it came with an even bigger ego.  :) Welllll, not as big as L. Ron Hubbards and at least Asimov had a sense of humor about it. I’m a Sci-Fi fan, myself.  Mostly books, but some of the movies are watchable.  "Forbidden Planet", which you mention elsewhere was probably the first "serious" Sci-Fi movie and IMO, well done for it’s time. Let’s not forget Fritz Lang’s "Metropolis" and "Frau im Mond." And H. G. Wells involvement with "Things to Come." And, of course, the early films of George Melles (sp?) who suffered poverty because his films were copied and distributed by Thomas Edison (who became rich).

I must admit that I’ve never cared for silent films.  I don’t care for the acting style, so I’ve never seen "Metropolis".  I haven’t heard of "Frau im Mond".  Woman in World? "Things to Come" wasn’t bad and maybe thought of seriously by the movie studio.  I must admit my comment was about the movie studio putting time and money into a movie.  Mabye some of the authors were serious, but the previous (and many later) Sci-Fi I can remember were all of the cheap and quick versions. My pet beef is horror movies called "Sci-Fi" because they are set in space or in the future.  Although I did think "Aliens" was a good movie, it lacks the things I want to see in a Sci-Fi. (grin) The Alien films have been a feature in private e-mails recently. I like to refer to them as the "sacred quadrilogy" (out of appreciation for Geiger’s art and, later, for simply being strange; a quality I like in Sci-Fi).

:)  If it’s sacred, then I’ll find something else to discuss  :P Seriously, I like Sci-Fi for the ideas.  I do watch movies for the fun of it, too, and I’m afraid that "Alien(s)" is one of those I just like to watch. One of the worst things ever put into production was a show called, "Starlost".  Yet I bought the VHS tapes just because the idea stimulates my imagination.  Took me a while to find someone selling the shows not officially sold.  It was started as a grand project for TV and would be written by many of the big names in Sci-Fi.  Sadly, most of the promises weren’t kept and it was done so badly that most of the writers jumped ship and even Harlan Ellison, who had the grand idea, insisted they use a pen name for his invovement. Let’s see … obscure … OK, I can’t remember a quote, but which movie had a "Friday" in it? "Robinson Crusoe on Mars!" One of my all time nostalgic favorites. The film is not available on DVD through legit channels, but a friend got me a special copy.

You win the prize!   Margrove gets honorable mention for remembering the movie at all.  :) Of course, I’m not entirely spoiled. Another nostalgic favorite of mine is "Quatermas and the Pit" and I spent an embarassing sum for that DVD.

Hmmm, I’m not sure I’ve seen that one, although it seems to ring a bell faintly. Here’s a quote challenge for you, perhaps too easy… "Gort. Klatu barada necto." Best Wishes, Arthur

Ah, I was trying to remember something a bit more obscure from "The Day the Earth Stood Sill", but yah, it seemed too obvious for a Sci-Fi fan. :) Do you remember one where some aliens came to earth, gave each or some of the nations a capsule which they weren’t to open until some specified time?  A few tried to open them with disastrous results.  In the end I think the capsules turned out to be something like, "peace on earth" or something.  I haven’t seen it in decades and for some reason I want to watch it.  I’ll probably wonder why once I see it again.  :) I think one of my favorite movies to watch over and over is "The Fifth Element".  As Sci-Fi, it’s wellllll, more like "Die Hard in the 25th Century".  :)    But the timing in that movie is incredible.  I almost watch it for that alone. No quotes from me today.  I just can’t remember any.  :(    I won’t bother with, "Get your hands off me, you damn dirty ape".  LOL   I guess I can remember one. tnx, drr — The second nicest guy on the internet For a copy of the ASAPM FAQs please e-mail me at — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ::Oh, and a follow-up Sci-Fi quote challenge… Here’s mine :) ) I can’t believe it i’m surrounded by assholes. -Dark Helmet May the Schwartz be with you. -Yogurt To join Princess Vespa and Princess Valium. -Minister Jackie ~*~No matter where you go or what you do, you live your entire life within the confines of your head~*~        - Terry Josephson space balls by Mel Brooks

I always think of the 100+? year old VW Beetle that starts right up! Well and of course the actual passing of the ball!! Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, and a follow-up Sci-Fi quote challenge… "If it were just us, it would seem an awful waste of space." :) Best Wishes, Arthur Hi Arthur, I’m afraid I’ll not do well with this  :)   My memory is horrible.  The 2001/2010 quote was the only one I could remember offhand. But I do recall they used that quote in "Contact".  Now if I could only remember where I first heard it.  It sounds Asimov-ish. I’m a Sci-Fi fan, myself.  Mostly books, but some of the movies are watchable.  "Forbidden Planet", which you mention elsewhere was probably the first "serious" Sci-Fi movie and IMO, well done for it’s time. there were many from the 50’s most hinging on mutant ants, or crawling eye balls and things as well as the day the earth stood still a favorite of mine-body snatchers just hit me, that too was a good one

Not from outer space, but Creature From the Black Lagoon!! Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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the one where the fellow was stranded on Mars, with a "Friday" a slave who escaped from another planet-forget the name of the movie-mid 60’s I think

(grin) "Robinson Crusoe on Mars" (1964). Nice to know I’m not alone in this respect. I still remember watching that film as a kid at an out-door drive-in theater with my parents. Nice memory. Soon after was "Planet of the Apes" (1968). People often forget that Rod Serling, of "Twilight Zone" fame, was very influencial in the script of Planet of the Apes, and then there was also the great music score by Goldsmith! Best Wishes, Arthur — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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:: ~*~No matter where you go or what you do, you live your entire :: life within the confines of your head~*~ :: ::Very true, at least in my case. Mine too! I’m trapped there :) Jackie ~*~No matter where you go or what you do, you live your entire life within the confines of your head~*~         – Terry Josephson — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I’m a Sci-Fi fan, myself.  Mostly books, but some of the movies are watchable.  "Forbidden Planet", which you mention elsewhere was probably the first "serious" Sci-Fi movie and IMO, well done for it’s time. there were many from the 50’s most hinging on mutant ants, or crawling eye balls and things as well as the day the earth stood still a favorite of mine-body snatchers just hit me, that too was a good one

Yep, lots of movies but most with thin plots and visible zippers in the rubber suits  :)    Ed wood would have been proud. "Contact" was good, I thought it followed the book reasonably well, although it placed emphasis in slightly different areas. I found it boring, I expected a more substantive conclusion or somethng more tangible I’d really like to see movies made of Arthur C. Clarke’s, "Rendezvous With Rama" (but only the first book) and of Niven/Pournelle’s, "Mote In God’s Eye".  Only by someone who loves them though.  :) My pet beef is horror movies called "Sci-Fi" because they are set in space or in the future.  Although I did think "Aliens" was a good movie, it lacks the things I want to see in a Sci-Fi. I like all good films-most horror is gore based, so it becomes a blood fest-good horror plays with ones mind a bit so it is plenty fun

I like different types of movies, too.  I’m afraid my tendency to categorize things is coming through though.  Sci-Fi is here, horror there.  LOL I’m not much on blood and guts.  Although as a kid I wondered why they didn’t show any, now I wish they’d show less.  :) Let’s see … obscure … OK, I can’t remember a quote, but which movie had a "Friday" in it? the one where the fellow was stranded on Mars, with a "Friday" a slave who escaped from another planet-forget the name of the movie-mid 60’s I think

Ah, not bad at all, but Arthur gets the prize for naming it.  I can see someone was watching late night TV.  :)    Or did you see that one in a theater?  It’s been on in the past year, I think Turner Classic Movies? tnx, drr — The second nicest guy on the internet For a copy of the ASAPM FAQs please e-mail me at — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi Folks, Could someone please remind me of the official date ASAPM was founded? Best Wishes, Arthur

I found it in the Autumn of 2004! :-P — _TJ_ <TJ_IREL at YAHOO dot IE — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi Folks, Could someone please remind me of the official date ASAPM was founded? Best Wishes, Arthur Hi Arthur, Finally, a question I can answer.  :)

LOL! :) ASAPM went "live" on April 16, 2003.

Many thanks Dan! :) tnx, drr "My god, it’s full of stars"  :)

Oh, that’s an easy one for a Sci-Fi film junkie like me. The quote is from "2010: The Year We Make Contact." Naturally, it couldn’t stand up to the high standard set by Kubrick and Clarke in "2001," but it still had some very nice and cool moments (Europa encounter, the aerobraking maneuver through the upper atmosphere of Jupiter, rendezvous with the spacecraft Discovery over Io). Anyone who enjoyed 2010 would get a big kick out of the BBC production "Voyage to the Planets and Beyond." Both emphasize drama a bit too much, but have a similar sense of wonder and adventure. Thanks again. Best Wishes, Arthur — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi Folks, Could someone please remind me of the official date ASAPM was founded? Best Wishes, Arthur I found it in the Autumn of 2004! :-P

Thanks for the feedback TJ! :) Best Wishes, Arthur — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "My god, it’s full of stars"  :) Oh, that’s an easy one for a Sci-Fi film junkie like me. The quote is from "2010: The Year We Make Contact." Naturally, it couldn’t stand up to the high standard set by Kubrick and Clarke in "2001," but it still had some very nice and cool moments (Europa encounter, the aerobraking maneuver through the upper atmosphere of Jupiter, rendezvous with the spacecraft Discovery over Io). Anyone who enjoyed 2010 would get a big kick out of the BBC production "Voyage to the Planets and Beyond." Both emphasize drama a bit too much, but have a similar sense of wonder and adventure.

Oh, and a follow-up Sci-Fi quote challenge… "If it were just us, it would seem an awful waste of space." :) Best Wishes, Arthur — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi Folks, Could someone please remind me of the official date ASAPM was founded? Best Wishes, Arthur — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi Folks, Could someone please remind me of the official date ASAPM was founded? Best Wishes, Arthur

Hi Arthur, Finally, a question I can answer.  :) ASAPM went "live" on April 16, 2003. tnx, drr "My god, it’s full of stars"  :) — The second nicest guy on the internet For a copy of the ASAPM FAQs please e-mail me at — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Oh, and a follow-up Sci-Fi quote challenge… Here’s mine :) ) I can’t believe it i’m surrounded by assholes. -Dark Helmet May the Schwartz be with you. -Yogurt To join Princess Vespa and Princess Valium. -Minister Jackie ~*~No matter where you go or what you do, you live your entire life within the confines of your head~*~         – Terry Josephson — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Oh, and a follow-up Sci-Fi quote challenge… "If it were just us, it would seem an awful waste of space." :) Best Wishes, Arthur Hi Arthur, I’m afraid I’ll not do well with this  :)   My memory is horrible.  The 2001/2010 quote was the only one I could remember offhand.

Don’t worry, I know the feeling. I try to act casual, but I must admit checking my notes. But I do recall they used that quote in "Contact".  

Correct!!! I’m impressed. :) Now if I could only remember where I first heard it.  It sounds Asimov-ish.

I’m not expert enough to say whether or not Asimov said it or like things. Regarding Asimov, I mostly remember his rules of robotics. I’m a Sci-Fi fan, myself.  Mostly books, but some of the movies are watchable.  "Forbidden Planet", which you mention elsewhere was probably the first "serious" Sci-Fi movie and IMO, well done for it’s time.

Let’s not forget Fritz Lang’s "Metropolis" and "Frau im Mond." And H. G. Wells involvement with "Things to Come." And, of course, the early films of George Melles (sp?) who suffered poverty because his films were copied and distributed by Thomas Edison (who became rich). "Contact" was good, I thought it followed the book reasonably well, although it placed emphasis in slightly different areas.

I must admit not reading the book, but Carl Sagan was a big influence on me nonetheless. I’d really like to see movies made of Arthur C. Clarke’s, "Rendezvous With Rama" (but only the first book)

I do remember reading Rama in my teens. and of Niven/Pournelle’s, "Mote In God’s Eye".  

I remember starting to read that in my teens, but confess I got distracted by Astronomy Magazine at the time (lots of Voyager photos back then). Only by someone who loves them though.  :)

The passion is important. My pet beef is horror movies called "Sci-Fi" because they are set in space or in the future.  Although I did think "Aliens" was a good movie, it lacks the things I want to see in a Sci-Fi.

(grin) The Alien films have been a feature in private e-mails recently. I like to refer to them as the "sacred quadrilogy" (out of appreciation for Geiger’s art and, later, for simply being strange; a quality I like in Sci-Fi). Let’s see … obscure … OK, I can’t remember a quote, but which movie had a "Friday" in it?

"Robinson Crusoe on Mars!" One of my all time nostalgic favorites. The film is not available on DVD through legit channels, but a friend got me a special copy. Of course, I’m not entirely spoiled. Another nostalgic favorite of mine is "Quatermas and the Pit" and I spent an embarassing sum for that DVD. Here’s a quote challenge for you, perhaps too easy… "Gort. Klatu barada necto." Best Wishes, Arthur — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ::Oh, and a follow-up Sci-Fi quote challenge… Here’s mine :) ) I can’t believe it i’m surrounded by assholes. -Dark Helmet May the Schwartz be with you. -Yogurt To join Princess Vespa and Princess Valium. -Minister Jackie

Nice "Space Balls" quotes Jackie! LOL! :) You really must watch "Dark Star" (very silly and funny, despite the fact that it’s creators went on to make "Alien" a few years later). ~*~No matter where you go or what you do, you live your entire life within the confines of your head~*~

Very true, at least in my case. Best Wishes, Arthur — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi Folks, Could someone please remind me of the official date ASAPM was founded? Best Wishes, Arthur I found it in the Autumn of 2004! :-P

Wow, where did you founded it? I must have left it lying around again… :-) — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ::Oh, and a follow-up Sci-Fi quote challenge… Here’s mine :) ) I can’t believe it i’m surrounded by assholes. -Dark Helmet May the Schwartz be with you. -Yogurt To join Princess Vespa and Princess Valium. -Minister Jackie ~*~No matter where you go or what you do, you live your entire life within the confines of your head~*~        - Terry Josephson

space balls by Mel Brooks — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, and a follow-up Sci-Fi quote challenge… "If it were just us, it would seem an awful waste of space." :) Best Wishes, Arthur Hi Arthur, I’m afraid I’ll not do well with this  :)   My memory is horrible.  The 2001/2010 quote was the only one I could remember offhand. But I do recall they used that quote in "Contact".  Now if I could only remember where I first heard it.  It sounds Asimov-ish. I’m a Sci-Fi fan, myself.  Mostly books, but some of the movies are watchable.  "Forbidden Planet", which you mention elsewhere was probably the first "serious" Sci-Fi movie and IMO, well done for it’s time.

there were many from the 50’s most hinging on mutant ants, or crawling eye balls and things as well as the day the earth stood still a favorite of mine-body snatchers just hit me, that too was a good one "Contact" was good, I thought it followed the book reasonably well, although it placed emphasis in slightly different areas. I found it boring, I expected a more substantive conclusion or somethng more tangible I’d really like to see movies made of Arthur C. Clarke’s, "Rendezvous With Rama" (but only the first book) and of Niven/Pournelle’s, "Mote In God’s Eye".  Only by someone who loves them though.  :) My pet beef is horror movies called "Sci-Fi" because they are set in space or in the future.  Although I did think "Aliens" was a good movie, it lacks the things I want to see in a Sci-Fi.

I like all good films-most horror is gore based, so it becomes a blood fest-good horror plays with ones mind a bit so it is plenty fun Let’s see … obscure … OK, I can’t remember a quote, but which movie had a "Friday" in it?

the one where the fellow was stranded on Mars, with a "Friday" a slave who escaped from another planet-forget the name of the movie-mid 60’s I think tnx, drr — The second nicest guy on the internet For a copy of the ASAPM FAQs please e-mail me at

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Oh, and a follow-up Sci-Fi quote challenge… "If it were just us, it would seem an awful waste of space." :) Best Wishes, Arthur

Hi Arthur, I’m afraid I’ll not do well with this  :)   My memory is horrible.  The 2001/2010 quote was the only one I could remember offhand. But I do recall they used that quote in "Contact".  Now if I could only remember where I first heard it.  It sounds Asimov-ish. I’m a Sci-Fi fan, myself.  Mostly books, but some of the movies are watchable.  "Forbidden Planet", which you mention elsewhere was probably the first "serious" Sci-Fi movie and IMO, well done for it’s time. "Contact" was good, I thought it followed the book reasonably well, although it placed emphasis in slightly different areas. I’d really like to see movies made of Arthur C. Clarke’s, "Rendezvous With Rama" (but only the first book) and of Niven/Pournelle’s, "Mote In God’s Eye".  Only by someone who loves them though.  :) My pet beef is horror movies called "Sci-Fi" because they are set in space or in the future.  Although I did think "Aliens" was a good movie, it lacks the things I want to see in a Sci-Fi. Let’s see … obscure … OK, I can’t remember a quote, but which movie had a "Friday" in it? tnx, drr — The second nicest guy on the internet For a copy of the ASAPM FAQs please e-mail me at — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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