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Hey There SG, I do not have anything from Scott under this topic.  Did he post his ideas somewhere else, or is my cpu testing my love for it again? Jill — jill.wilker…@mciworld.com ———- In article <7ss1af$el…@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Stephen George" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<steph…@georgeharris.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Jill, > It sounds like OCD, as Scott suggested. He needs a professional > opinion and it’s worth bearing in mind that he may have more than > one disorder. OCD looks like a safe bet though. > Kind regards, > Steve

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Jill, It’s nice that you know so must about a close friend. I asked because generally speaking, people who have these habits know that their behavior is peculiar and don’t usually let it be known to others.  A friend or family member may notice certain things but usually not in the detail that you described. LN

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Hi Jill, I’m going to assume that you can see Scott’s follow-up post. Let me know if you can’t see it… Kind regards, Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -jill.wilkerson wrote: >Hey There SG, >I do not have anything from Scott under this topic.

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L, Well, OCPD is MY diagnosis, which means I am painfully detailed and perfectionsitic…So I notice things others might not. Also,  some of his behaviors really cause problems between us…like we had a big bruhaha because I tried to place aluminum foil over a dish in which he was cooking a chicken.  The aluminum was only going to come within inches of the chicken.  It was splattering.  He freaked. I said okay, he could skip the foil but he’d have to clean the oven.  He really got weird and accused me of being weird…then he stomped out.  Now he says he will never come over to my house to cook again ("I’m taking MY toys and I’m playing elsewhere…").  I feel I was blamed for his problem…his insanity about aluminum. You know how it is…you see things in someone you are close to BECAUSE you are close to them. Lastly, I have been getting help for my own "problems" for a long time now, and I was just recently diagnosed with OCD,  so I am more knowledgeable and aware of these things than the average bear. Anyway,  I am guessing that he is obsessed with his body and health and he compulsively acts out in some of the ways I described.  I have never heard of OCD taking this form.  I was hoping someone else here had heard of OCD (or something) taking this form. Have you heard of these symptoms? Jill — jill.wilker…@mciworld.com ———- In article <19990930080553.23522.00000…@ng-cn1.aol.com>, ln…@aol.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(LNGUD) wrote: > Jill, > It’s nice that you know so must about a close friend. I asked because generally > speaking, people who have these habits know that their behavior is peculiar and > don’t usually let it be known to others.  A friend or family member may notice > certain things but usually not in the detail that you described. > LN

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Jill wrote: >Does my friend have ocd when he exhibits the behaviors >but he does not recognize them as intrusive? >My answer would be yes.

Hi Jill, I tend to agree with you. Most OCD sufferers wait for ages before seeing a psychiatrist for the first time because they don’t recognise that their symptoms are problematical. In your original post you said: "Complains about not having time to do other things in his life." For me, that was highly indicative of OCD (when in conjunction with all the other behaviours) – a dead give-away. Kind regards, Steve

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Just curious….do these things bother your friend ?? Scott; Well,  he occassionally complains that he does not have time to do other things in life and that he is tired all the time…indirect complaints.  He also complains that he feels tied down by these things.  So I guess they bother him to some degree. He has to get up at six oclock every morning to do these things,  go to a full day of work and come home and work on this stuff again until nine pm at night. So it takes a lot out of him. But the benefit to him is that he looks like a professional body builder. So he also says the "pain" is worth it to him.  I think there are some other things going on here, too. Like I think he is also very concerned about being accepted by women, a side issue, but it contributes. And I think Americans are, as a whole, obsessed with looking good, looking young, so I think this social acceptance makes it easier for him. (We are in Los Angeles and there is even more pressure to be beautiful here than elsewhere.) I wish it was more socially acceptable to be obsessed with food and eating! Does the DSM IV describe any specific symptoms, or is it general? All the Best, Jill — jill.wilker…@mciworld.com

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Stephen George <steph…@georgeharris.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message

news:7t14a2$epg$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jill wrote: > >Does my friend have ocd when he exhibits the behaviors > >but he does not recognize them as intrusive? > >My answer would be yes. > Hi Jill, > I tend to agree with you. Most OCD sufferers wait for ages > before seeing a psychiatrist for the first time because they > don’t recognise that their symptoms are problematical. > In your original post you said: > "Complains about not having time to do other things in his life." > For me, that was highly indicative of OCD (when in conjunction > with all the other behaviours) – a dead give-away.

The fact remains that part of the criterion for having ocd is that the thoughts/behavior is intrusive, unwanted, recurrent and causes distress. If those parameters were not in there, instead of having 2-4% of the population with ocd, there would be 20-40% of the population with ocd. Significant portions of the population do things that they really would rather not do but find the results are worth it. Their behavior might be described as obsessive and compulsive but until all of the criteria are met, it is not a "disorder". A better description might be syndrome. No matter how disruptive the behavior might be, until the person performing it yells "uncle", it is not ocd. I agree the behavior is very much like ocd and if it were not for the criteria, it would be ocd. I have often stated that ocd like behavior can be seen in some degree in a large percentage of the population if not all of the criteria has to be met. — Take care of your "self". whatatrip rbol…@premier1.net

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Hi – I think that all Jill could ask for here was an opinion. It’s possible that her friend doesn’t actually identify his behaviour as distressing. Some people’s self-awareness is very poor. He may also be hiding any distress from Jill, for whatever reason. I understand the criterion for OCD – I actually own a copy of DSM IV. But all Jill wanted was an opinion on her friend’s behaviour, not a clinical diagnosis. Now she has the option of trying to persuade her friend to seek a proper diagnosis (if any) from a mental health professional. Regards, Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -whatatrip wrote: >The fact remains that part of the criterion for having ocd is that the >thoughts/behavior is intrusive, unwanted, recurrent and causes distress. >If those parameters were not in there, instead of having 2-4% of the >population with ocd, there would be 20-40% of the population with ocd. >Significant portions of the population do things that they really would >rather not do but find the results are worth it. Their behavior might be >described as obsessive and compulsive but until all of the criteria are >met, it is not a "disorder". A better description might be syndrome. >No matter how disruptive the behavior might be, until the person >performing it yells "uncle", it is not ocd. >I agree the behavior is very much like ocd and if it were not for the >criteria, it would be ocd. I have often stated that ocd like behavior can be >seen in some degree in a large percentage of the population if not all of >the criteria has to be met.

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Hi, My friend has something going on, and I just don’t know what it is. Something about it is not quite right, but I don’t know why or what. I thought I’d put it out there and see if any of you recognize it as a disorder.  Here goes: Eats only certain things on certain days.  Absolutely will not vary. Prepares those specific foods the same ways.  Absolutely will not vary. Has a difficult time eating in front of other people.  Will do it only rarely. Absolutely will not eat other people’s food or food prepared by others. Refuses to touch tap water.  Takes a shower in bottled water. Washes his dishes with gloves on so his hands will not touch tap water. Wipes his dishes dry so that there will be no trace of tap water on them. Prepares all his food with gloves on. Absolutely must run for one hour a day.  Admits that he feels like he is "addicted" to it. Absolutely must lift weights for one hour a day.  Admits that he feels like he is "addicted" to it. Will not even drink a  glass of water that is not up to his specifications. (I drink distilled water because it is absolutely pure, and he refuses to drink even that.) Drinks exactly 64 oz. of water a day out of a 16 oz. measuring cup which he fills to exactly the 16 oz. mark for each drink. Absolutely will not let aluminum touch his food or come near his food (Rigidly convinced that aluminum is toxic). Absolutely must have all his water stored in glass bottles and must cook all his food in glass pans (Rigidly convinced that metal or plastic containers are toxic and will infuse their contents with their toxins.) Refuses to eat restaurant food…absolutely. Constantly reads about food and nutrician and theories of food poisoning, illness, diets, etc.  Talks about it at length.  Seems to be the expert on it.  Won’t shut up at times. Has been doing this since he was 19 years old (he is now 38) and claims that he has just gotten "more serious" about it over the years,  and that is why he has become more and more specific and rigid about it.  Also, it has become more and more time consuming over the years. Is not a professional body builder and does not do any kind of work that requires exceptional strength or beauty.  (Although he says he would like to be an actor,  I get the feeling this is just another excuse he uses to legitimize his actions… he does nothing toward an acting career.) Claims that he does all this because he had been sickly and thin and does not want to get sick again…although his illness his own diagnosis and "remedy,"   not a doctor’s. Always has a "legitimate" and "healthy" excuse for whatever he is doing (See above for examples.) Spends about four hours a day in these activities combined. Complains about being tired despite getting plenty of sleep each night. Complains about not having time to do other things in his life. Is otherwise rather careless in dress and the way he lives. Well,  go for it guys.  What are your opinions?  Any resources?  Thanks! Jill — jill.wilker…@mciworld.com

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I have run into a lot of people who have similar "habits" and similar behavior designed to ensure their safety and well being. It look like ocd, but it is not ocd until the person finds his/her behavior unwanted, intrusive and until it causes a lot of distress. When this person gets to the point where his "habits" no longer give him a sense of  safety and well being, then he will likely be a candidate for ocd. — Take care of your "self". whatatrip rbol…@premier1.net jill.wilkerson <jill.wilker…@mciworld.com> wrote in message

news:To9I3.1723$Lh.212189@pm02news… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > My friend has something going on, and I just don’t know what it is. > Something about it is not quite right, but I don’t know why or what. > I thought I’d put it out there and see if any of you recognize it as a > disorder.  Here goes: > Eats only certain things on certain days.  Absolutely will not vary. > Prepares those specific foods the same ways.  Absolutely will not vary. > Has a difficult time eating in front of other people.  Will do it only > rarely. > Absolutely will not eat other people’s food or food prepared by others. > Refuses to touch tap water.  Takes a shower in bottled water. > Washes his dishes with gloves on so his hands will not touch tap water. > Wipes his dishes dry so that there will be no trace of tap water on them. > Prepares all his food with gloves on. > Absolutely must run for one hour a day.  Admits that he feels like he is > "addicted" to it. > Absolutely must lift weights for one hour a day.  Admits that he feels like > he is "addicted" to it. > Will not even drink a  glass of water that is not up to his specifications. > (I drink distilled water because it is absolutely pure, and he refuses to > drink even that.) > Drinks exactly 64 oz. of water a day out of a 16 oz. measuring cup > which he fills to exactly the 16 oz. mark for each drink. > Absolutely will not let aluminum touch his food or come near his food > (Rigidly convinced that aluminum is toxic). > Absolutely must have all his water stored in glass bottles and must cook all > his food in glass pans (Rigidly convinced that metal or plastic containers > are toxic and will infuse their contents with their toxins.) > Refuses to eat restaurant food…absolutely. > Constantly reads about food and nutrician and theories of food poisoning, > illness, diets, etc.  Talks about it at length.  Seems to be the expert on > it.  Won’t shut up at times. > Has been doing this since he was 19 years old (he is now 38) and claims that > he has just gotten "more serious" about it over the years,  and that is why > he has become more and more specific and rigid about it.  Also, it has > become more and more time consuming over the years. > Is not a professional body builder and does not do any kind of work that > requires exceptional strength or beauty.  (Although he says he would like to > be an actor,  I get the feeling this is just another excuse he uses to > legitimize his actions… he does nothing toward an acting career.) > Claims that he does all this because he had been sickly and thin and does > not want to get sick again…although his illness his own diagnosis and > "remedy,"   not a doctor’s. > Always has a "legitimate" and "healthy" excuse for whatever he is doing > (See above for examples.) > Spends about four hours a day in these activities combined. > Complains about being tired despite getting plenty of sleep each night. > Complains about not having time to do other things in his life. > Is otherwise rather careless in dress and the way he lives. > Well,  go for it guys.  What are your opinions?  Any resources?  Thanks! > Jill > — > jill.wilker…@mciworld.com

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Hi Jill, It sounds like OCD, as Scott suggested. He needs a professional opinion and it’s worth bearing in mind that he may have more than one disorder. OCD looks like a safe bet though. Kind regards, Steve

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Jill. Just a thought… but how do you know all this detailed information about what your friend does?  I would think that he would want to hide it from you are anyone else. It sounds OCD related .Although many people have habits but unless it’s consuming most of their time it could possibly just be little ‘quirks’. You and he will only know what the problem is when he is diagnosed by a professional. My two cents worth. LN .

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I added a news server to my home computer because my home ISP’s news server has been out of service for a few days. Instead of identifying myself, I mistakenly identified the location (town of Cle Elum) of the phone number of the ISP (which is located in the town of Ellensburg) that carries that news service. It should be fixed now. — Take care of your "self". whatatrip rbol…@premier1.net L.Ros. <ro1.be…@get2net.dk> wrote in message

news:T1zI3.1393$_B3.1249@news.get2net.dk… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Cle Elum??? > What does that mean? > Curious regards > Lars

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Cle Elum??? What does that mean? Curious regards Lars

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> Jill. > Just a thought… but how do you know all this detailed information about what > your friend does?  I would think that he would want to hide it from you are > anyone else.

Dear L: He has tried to hide some of these things,  but I notice them and/or figure them out.   Some things he does and just thinks they are okay so makes no attempt to hide them.  And we just know each other pretty well.  He knows about most of my "peculiar stuff," too. That’s how I am with most of my really close friends.  We don’t hide anything.  So knowing a lot about a friend is not unusual for me. Why do you ask? Jill — jill.wilker…@mciworld.com

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Hi, Cle, Really?  I have never met anyone who has these habits :o ).  Most people I know are hanging out at McDonald’s and hoping for a miracle. Your point brings up the old existential question: If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one there to hear it, did it make a sound? In other words: Does my friend have ocd when he exhibits the behaviors but he does not recognize them as intrusive? My answer would be yes.  My own example: I have had OCPD symptoms for many years.   However,  I only recently recognized that it has been problematic for me for a long time. To me, that means I have always had OCPD.  My opinion. Take care. Jill — jill.wilker…@mciworld.com ———- In article <938587153.642530@cacheraq001>, "Cle Elum" <rbol…@premier1.net> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have run into a lot of people who have similar "habits" and similar > behavior designed to ensure their safety and well being. It look like ocd, > but it is not ocd until the person finds his/her behavior unwanted, > intrusive and until it causes a lot of distress. When this person gets to > the point where his "habits" no longer give him a sense of  safety and well > being, then he will likely be a candidate for ocd. > — > Take care of your "self". > whatatrip > rbol…@premier1.net > jill.wilkerson <jill.wilker…@mciworld.com> wrote in message > news:To9I3.1723$Lh.212189@pm02news… >> Hi, >> My friend has something going on, and I just don’t know what it is. >> Something about it is not quite right, but I don’t know why or what. >> I thought I’d put it out there and see if any of you recognize it as a >> disorder.  Here goes: >> Eats only certain things on certain days.  Absolutely will not vary. >> Prepares those specific foods the same ways.  Absolutely will not vary. >> Has a difficult time eating in front of other people.  Will do it only >> rarely. >> Absolutely will not eat other people’s food or food prepared by others. >> Refuses to touch tap water.  Takes a shower in bottled water. >> Washes his dishes with gloves on so his hands will not touch tap water. >> Wipes his dishes dry so that there will be no trace of tap water on them. >> Prepares all his food with gloves on. >> Absolutely must run for one hour a day.  Admits that he feels like he is >> "addicted" to it. >> Absolutely must lift weights for one hour a day.  Admits that he feels > like >> he is "addicted" to it. >> Will not even drink a  glass of water that is not up to his > specifications. >> (I drink distilled water because it is absolutely pure, and he refuses to >> drink even that.) >> Drinks exactly 64 oz. of water a day out of a 16 oz. measuring cup >> which he fills to exactly the 16 oz. mark for each drink. >> Absolutely will not let aluminum touch his food or come near his food >> (Rigidly convinced that aluminum is toxic). >> Absolutely must have all his water stored in glass bottles and must cook > all >> his food in glass pans (Rigidly convinced that metal or plastic containers >> are toxic and will infuse their contents with their toxins.) >> Refuses to eat restaurant food…absolutely. >> Constantly reads about food and nutrician and theories of food poisoning, >> illness, diets, etc.  Talks about it at length.  Seems to be the expert on >> it.  Won’t shut up at times. >> Has been doing this since he was 19 years old (he is now 38) and claims > that >> he has just gotten "more serious" about it over the years,  and that is > why >> he has become more and more specific and rigid about it.  Also, it has >> become more and more time consuming over the years. >> Is not a professional body builder and does not do any kind of work that >> requires exceptional strength or beauty.  (Although he says he would like > to >> be an actor,  I get the feeling this is just another excuse he uses to >> legitimize his actions… he does nothing toward an acting career.) >> Claims that he does all this because he had been sickly and thin and does >> not want to get sick again…although his illness his own diagnosis and >> "remedy,"   not a doctor’s. >> Always has a "legitimate" and "healthy" excuse for whatever he is doing >> (See above for examples.) >> Spends about four hours a day in these activities combined. >> Complains about being tired despite getting plenty of sleep each night. >> Complains about not having time to do other things in his life. >> Is otherwise rather careless in dress and the way he lives. >> Well,  go for it guys.  What are your opinions?  Any resources?  Thanks! >> Jill >> — >> jill.wilker…@mciworld.com

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