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Could you tell that from the link I posted?  I couldn’t quite get enough of a handle on the legalese to determine whether I’d be able to mail order it or not. I couldn’t really tell.

Although the text of the new laws seemed to indicate that herbal stacks would be pulled, I did find that the sporting goods stores were still selling Metabolift and Ripped Fuel yesterday (much cheaper than the GNCs usually do, I might add).  It may just be easier to switch from pharmaceutical to herbal stack than hunt down a mail order source and pay shipping. —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Apparently OTC ephedrine is now only legal for sale in TX if it contains double the guaifenesin dose typically contained in OTC ephedrine as currently marketed (by Primatene tablets or 2-ways, or Dymetadrine, etc.) What kind of bull is that? Isn’t this supposed to be the land of the free? Can you just order E online? After all, it looks like it is only illegal to *sell* the E without double G in TX. Could you tell that from the link I posted?  I couldn’t quite get enough of a handle on the legalese to determine whether I’d be able to mail order it or not.

I couldn’t really tell. J

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 According to Harrison’s Principles of Internal Medicine: "Studies to determine the carcinogenicity, tumorigenicity, or mutagenicity of guaifenesin in animals have not been conducted" (1). REFERENCES 1.) "Harrison’s Principles of Internal Medicine, 14th Edition." (CD version with the complete USP-DI.)

A correction: The quote is correct and I listed the right reference, however, the text should read: "According to the US Pharmacopeial Drug Information (USP-DI) . . ." DrumLib * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Apparently OTC ephedrine is now only legal for sale in TX if it contains double the guaifenesin dose typically contained in OTC ephedrine as currently marketed (by Primatene tablets or 2-ways, or Dymetadrine, etc.) What kind of bull is that? Isn’t this supposed to be the land of the free? Can you just order E online? After all, it looks like it is only illegal to *sell* the E without double G in TX.

Could you tell that from the link I posted?  I couldn’t quite get enough of a handle on the legalese to determine whether I’d be able to mail order it or not. —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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Apparently OTC ephedrine is now only legal for sale in TX if it contains double the guaifenesin dose typically contained in OTC ephedrine as currently marketed (by Primatene tablets or 2-ways, or Dymetadrine, etc.) What kind of bull is that?

Isn’t this supposed to be the land of the free? Can you just order E online? After all, it looks like it is only illegal to *sell* the E without double G in TX. J

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Hi jamie, It’s political bull. Texas, like many states, is attempting to regulate ephedrine into oblivion. The FDA (and its minions in Texas, etc.) are acting like self-appointed czars of science and are forcing manufacturers and distributors of ephedrine to put misleading government propaganda on the labels of ephedrine products. Did you notice this little gem that must appear on the label? "Individuals who consume caffeine with this product may experience serious adverse health effects." There is a mountain of scientific research showing that ephedrine/caffeine combinations are safe and effective for weight loss. How can the FDA and their puppets in Texas and other states force companies to print labels that do not accurately reflect the scientific literature? Whatever happened to freedom of speech? Why can’t labels contain scientifically accurate statements? Shouldn’t the FDA be restrained by the burden of proof? That’s asking a lot less than Thomas Jefferson, who wanted to bind the government "down from mischief with chains of the constitution." But this propaganda goes way beyond labels. No one involved with any ephedrine supplement can speak or write that thermogenic supplements are effective for weight loss — even though this is a scientifically verified fact. Here is another example from Texas: "Companies that engage in direct marketing of ephedrine containing dietary supplement products shall effectively respond to distributors, franchisees, and/or independent contractors to prevent the distribution of unauthorized literature." Unauthorized literature??? What country is this? When did America become a dictatorship? Furthermore, the labels must now include a toll-free number so Big Brother can accumulate more anonymous and unverifiable adverse event reports on ephedrine. This will be used to eliminate over-the-counter sales of ephedrine. Texas is leading the charge: "The product label must include a toll-free number to permit consumers to report adverse effects to the department within 60 days of the date such number is published in the Texas Register." By the way, anyone who thinks they will be able to find a doctor that will prescribe ephedrine after it is vilified and taken off the shelves is going to be sadly surprised. Some years back, The Peoples Republic of Florida made ephedrine available only by prescription. Although this law was eventually defeated, it presents a chilling picture of what will happen if ephedrine is banned. I lived in Florida at the time and I could not find one single person who found a doctor that would prescribe ephedrine. After all, what doctor is going to risk his career by prescribing a "deadly" drug that has just been banned? Asthmatics got inhalers; allergy patients got allergy drugs; obese patients mostly got sloth and gluttony lectures — no one could get ephedrine. It was like it didn’t exist. Although these "altruistic" bureaucrats are demanding warnings about ephedrine, Big Brother has made no effort to inform us about their mandatory ingredient, guaifenesin. According to Harrison’s Principles of Internal Medicine: "Studies to determine the carcinogenicity, tumorigenicity, or mutagenicity of guaifenesin in animals have not been conducted" (1). Thanks, Big Bro (Not!). I realize Big Brother is fighting a war against drugs. I also realize that people who wage war against inanimate objects must be deeply disturbed individuals. Still, I take offense when Big Brother adulterates my medicine. REFERENCES 1.) "Harrison’s Principles of Internal Medicine, 14th Edition." (CD version with the complete USP-DI.) ** Save ephedrine supplements — send e-mail to Congress. Public protest stopped the FDA from banning amino acids. Your mail DOES make a difference: http://www.visi.com/juan/congress Want access to medications without interference from Big Brother? Check out the Libertarian Party: http://www.lp.org and International Associates for Health Freedom: http://www.iahf.com/index1.html Disclaimer: This is written for information purposes only. I am not a doctor. The information in this document should NOT be used as a substitute for a physician’s examination and advice. Copyright (c) 1999 by DrumLib. All rights reserved. Live Long and Prosper! DrumLib (Drummer & Libertarian) * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Can either of you suggest who I would call, write, or email to determine whether or not there were new state or city regulations on OTC ephedrine? (Austin TX) Apparently a local store stopped selling 2-ways, and the clerk apparently said there was a new dose limit of 12.5mg .  I don’t know if this was a store/chain policy or a new ordinance.

Nevermind… Somebody local was able to point me to the new state laws http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/bfds/drugs/hottopic.html which included the following:   (1) solid dosage forms that combine active ingredients must be in the   following ranges for each recommended dose: ephedrine, its salts, optical   isomers or salts of optical isomers not to exceed 12.5 milligrams (mg)   combined with at least 200 mg guiafenesin; ephedrine, its salts, optical   isomers or salts of optical isomers not to exceed 25 mg combined with   at least 400 mg guiafenesin; Apparently OTC ephedrine is now only legal for sale in TX if it contains double the guaifenesin dose typically contained in OTC ephedrine as currently marketed (by Primatene tablets or 2-ways, or Dymetadrine, etc.) What kind of bull is that? —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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Jamie, I know you didn’t direct this to me, but here’s my .02 worth anyway. Tennessee stopped selling 2-ways as well. They passed a law saying that we had to maintain a medical log on every person we sold the OTC drug to for something like 10yrs. So although it was still legal to sell it, there was no way we(a convenience store) were going to maintain such records. That may be the same issue in Texas, it may not I don’t know. Drinking from my saucer ’cause my cup has overflowed c[_] 248/225/149 (i guess, not sure yet)

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Can either of you suggest who I would call, write, or email to determine whether or not there were new state or city regulations on OTC ephedrine? (Austin TX) Apparently a local store stopped selling 2-ways, and the clerk apparently said there was a new dose limit of 12.5mg .  I don’t know if this was a store/chain policy or a new ordinance. —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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