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simon pope – scabbing tomorrow?

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What’s going to happen to all the celebrities who have crossed the picket line? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Question for ya, Simon: did you take the commercial, or walk off? This is the only question that matters.  If he did do the job, he will likely be found out, regardless of whether or not he posted his real name here.  He may not find out that he’s been discovered until he someday applies for membership in SAG, but he’ll be found out nonetheless.  If he took the work, he MADE AN INFORMED DECISION TO DO SO. And what is more, I must make a distinction about what BLACKLISTING really means.  This word is too often bandied about incorrectly.  If a union denies membership to anyone (which is their legal right, by the way) they are NOT blacklisting that person in the industry. SAG has no intention of releasing a list of scab’s names to those who might employ actors.  Likewise, they will NOT be sending out any kind of communication through the industry when someone is denied membership. Technically you’re right.  But you’re also splitting hairs, as these actors’ names WILL be circulated throughout the SAG and they WILL be barred from union work.  I know this is legal.  I know that’s SAGs right.  But it is still a form of blacklisting. HG

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: : But your Guild is less concerned with the quality of its actors than you’re rather clueless here, honey.  It is not "my" Guild.  I’m NOT a member. However, I DO support people’s rights to join the union if they wish—and the union does protect the "little guy" in the shark’s world where no one else is looking out for the journeyman actor trying to make a living wage and GET PAID what he was promised without hassle.  the union is there to insure safe working conditions, fair treatment with regards to labor greivances.  It helps shield against exploitation.  a rising tide lifts ALL boats, and whether people belong to the union or not it helps the worker. Karen

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: : But your Guild is less concerned with the quality of its actors than you’re rather clueless here, honey.  It is not "my" Guild.  I’m NOT a member.

I stand corrected. However, I DO support people’s rights to join the union if they wish—

Hey, surprise!  We’re in complete agreement!  Why is it that hard for you people to conceive that just because one disagrees with a unions tactics, one can still support the union’s right to exist? Good lord, read the whole friggin post if you’re going to respond. and the union does protect the "little guy" in the shark’s world where no one else is looking out for the journeyman actor trying to make a living wage and GET PAID what he was promised without hassle.

If the journeyman actor was promised a specific payment by any means other than a signed document stating as much, that actor is entitled to nothing.  If that same actor does have a signed agreement, it is a mere matter of contract law. Unions may indeed be a benifit in these matters, but they are not absolutely necessary.  the union is there to insure safe working conditions, fair treatment with regards to labor greivances.  It helps shield against exploitation.  a rising tide lifts ALL boats, and whether people belong to the union or not it helps the worker.

It’s been my experience that unions exist to collect union dues, period. HG

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: [kahorn] :and the union does protect the "little guy" in the :shark’s world where no one else is looking out for the journeyman :actor trying to make a living wage and GET PAID what he was promised :without hassle. : : If the journeyman actor was promised a specific payment by any means : other than a signed document stating as much, that actor is entitled : to nothing.  If that same actor does have a signed agreement, it is a : mere matter of contract law. Unions may indeed be a benifit in these : matters, but they are not absolutely necessary. : But here is the problem:  acting by its very nature is one of the   most FREE LANCE professions on the planet—an actor is constantly   in and out of work, and looking for work….no bitch there—that’s    just the way it is, and you have to have the right kind of    fortitude to do it.  HERE is the problem—most people try to    be reasonably honest—however, not by any means all—if an    actor IS screwed out of his wage, or has a grievance, etc. — on    his own—especially if he’s a "little guy" he’d have to come    up with big money to pay for a lawyer to defend what’s rightfully    his.  he doesn’t have a long time working relationship with any    one employer—it’s easier to screw someone like that from the    "bosses" point of view–hey, screw them, and they go slinking away,    right?  They don’t have the resources to fight because they’re    trying to make the next mortgage payment or get braces on the    kid’s teeth.  Well—this is where the union is a BIG help to people.    They will represent you, without you hiring an expensive legal    mouthpiece, especially, when you may not have a source of income    because the person who was supposed to pay you didn’t.    If you look at the history of SAG in particular, and AEA and sister    unions for that matter—show business has had a lot of flim flam    men in it—for instance, with Actor’s Equity—for an equity show    the producer has to have a certain amount of money built up so    that the cast doesn’t litterally get stranded on the road, as was    not infrequently the case before the unions came about—they    also have provisions for even such basic sanitary conditions–    like they HAVE to have cleaned the garments they give you to wear—     all sorts of things like that—  because there are so many people     willing to work for NOTHING just to get into acting–a lot of times    they don’t realize the damage they are doing by saying:  "sure,    I’ll do that pyro stunt for an extra 10 bucks."  WHOA.    You may or may not know it, but a lot of times when they shoot    outside this country and use a lot of non-union people, they    try stuff they would NEVER get away with in the US….for instance   when they shot TITANIC, a lot of it was done in Mexico—they had    those extras down in cold, cold water for very long hours.  People    were getting sick left and right–bad scene. :  the union is there to insure safe working conditions, :fair treatment with regards to labor greivances.  It helps shield :against exploitation.  a rising tide lifts ALL boats, and whether :people belong to the union or not it helps the worker. : : It’s been my experience that unions exist to collect union dues, : period. : Oh, I’m not saying that the unions are all pure [I DESPISE all the money they give for political cronies] — but you have to give them credit where credit is due, and in general, they have a lot bigger negotiating leverage for a "little guy" against an industry which has a history of being exploitative.  ANyway, the entertainment industries unions do have very good reasons to exist, precisely because of the freelance nature of the actor, and his built in tendency to be ripe pickings for exploitative practises when he is in a down cycle. I’m not union myself, but I wouldn’t cross any picket lines.  It does NO ONE any good in the long run to do so. Karen

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : :: Also, let’s just hope that someone doesn’t drop a line to the union :: about Karen Horn doing scab work.  Even if you didn’t do it, I’m sure :: it would take a long time to clear your name. : :? ???  I’m merely pointing out that many people offered you assistance :in good faith….and you seem to have blow it off. : :This included: : :  #1 numerous people advising you to consult with the SAG office :      to see if it was struck work, or if they had signed an interim :       agreement with SAG : :  #2 if it was struck, you had somone will to get you the information :      you would have needed to allow you to get a SAG card [should you :      desire one] for turning down a principle role in struck work. : :D id I imply you were a union actor?  If you think you might want :to be one in future, it would have served you better to consider :#1 & #2 above. : :Karen : :: ::: Damn, I’m glad I didn’t trust you.  I considered ::: calling you, but I strongly suspected ::: this "either do it my way or else" attitude. ::: You’re about as open minded as a pro-life rally. ::: ::: And, your hasty post demonstrates a REAL sympathy ::: towards a struggling actor who is confused when ::: faced with the rare opportunity that has ::: presented itself in a career path where few ::: opportunities exist.  I feel sorry for the other ::: actors whom you manipulate into following your ::: hidden agenda. ::: ::: Also, I’m glad you didn’t waste ANY time ::: besmirching my name, which is clearly an alias, ::: genius.  I just hope that there REALLY isn’t ::: someone named Simon Pope out there whom you’re ::: attempting to wrecklessly blacklist. ::: ::: Tell me you really don’t work for SAG. ::: ::: What a disappointment. :: ::#1 — you DIDN’T call him — and you really should have checked ::     out what he had to say — I don’t blame him for thinking ::     you might be a troll. :: ::#2 — I guess you don’t understand how this works: :: ::           ONE SAG actor — ONE NAME :: ::so if there is another Simon Pope out there who is an actor, there ::is only ONE Simon Pope who has that name in SAG :: ::Karen :: : : In other words, "It’s OUR way or the highway Simon!" We don’t care : about your desire to act, and we really couldn’t care less about your : ability to act or if the acting community would be strengthened by : your ability to act.  We require fealty to the Guild.  Bow down and : kiss our boots, and maybe–just MAYBE–we’ll allow you to work. : : HG Do you read, or are you capable of it? Try hooked on phonics. the person came to ask for advice.  GOOD advice was given.  No one said he had to join a union–but since he seemed concerned over whether or not he’d be shooting himself in the foot long term, he wanted all information available to him. How can he make a good decision if all possible info. isn’t given to him? Karen

But your Guild is less concerned with the quality of its actors than with those actors’ willingness to follow the Guild blindly.  That much has been made clear.  Most unions operate this way because, regardless of the reasons a particular union is formed, they almost always turn into big business operations. The more memebers, the more dues paid in.  This is not to say that all or even a majority of SAG members are poor actors (have make these qualifiers since some of the actors here assume that a differeing opinion necessarily means that you hate them), but that the UNION is not concerned with whether or not they are poor–only that they pay their dues. I’ve been in a union.  I know how the game is played. This, of course, does not mean that I am against unions, per se.  Only that I chose not to deal with them.  And as I have said in at least 10 other posts, I don’t care if SAG wins every demand it is making here. I really don’t. Honest. In fact, if you can convince thoses mean old advertisers to triple your fees and residuals, then congratulations. You will have proved that you are indeed worth what you say you are worth.  I merely question the logic of going on strike when your job market is over saturated. Are you capable of comprehending this? HG

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Goats, it’s really not the purview of the union to vouch for the ability  of its members to do a job or not. The simple fact that they joined this union, SAG, means that at some point someone thought they were good enough to get paid to act. That’s a requirement, and there’s no getting around that. That implies a level of ability that surpasses non-union actors. Kinda pokes a hole in your "270,000 actors to do a limited number of jobs" theory, don’t it? Carl Before you buy.

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Lisa, it matters whether he took the job or not here in this forum. If he did, then this discussion is still pretty relevant. If he walked away (for reasons other than union pressure) then this discussion is pointless. Carl Before you buy.

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What’s going to happen to all the celebrities who have crossed the picket line?

Apparently, nothing, but you ducked the question, Simon. Did you or did you not take the job? Carl Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Question for ya, Simon: did you take the commercial, or walk off? This is the only question that matters.  If he did do the job, he will likely be found out, regardless of whether or not he posted his real name here.  He may not find out that he’s been discovered until he someday applies for membership in SAG, but he’ll be found out nonetheless.  If he took the work, he MADE AN INFORMED DECISION TO DO SO. And what is more, I must make a distinction about what BLACKLISTING really means.  This word is too often bandied about incorrectly.  If a union denies membership to anyone (which is their legal right, by the way) they are NOT blacklisting that person in the industry. SAG has no intention of releasing a list of scab’s names to those who might employ actors.  Likewise, they will NOT be sending out any kind of communication through the industry when someone is denied membership.

Technically you’re right.  But you’re also splitting hairs, as these actors’ names WILL be circulated throughout the SAG and they WILL be barred from union work.  I know this is legal.  I know that’s SAGs right.  But it is still a form of blacklisting. HG

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That’s  a nice spin on it.  I guess what disappoints me was how quickly (less than 24 hours) that "GOOD advice" turned to an active attempt to ban me from the union.  Even though I never responded to nyvoice’s response, he immediately assumed that I must have performed the scab work and intended to bring this to the immediate attention to the union. This kind of behavior was prevalent during the McCarthy era….you know, the era where a lot of innocent actors were unable to work because of unfounded, malicious rumors. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Do you read, or are you capable of it? Try hooked on phonics. the person came to ask for advice.  GOOD advice was given.  No one said he had to join a union–but since he seemed concerned over whether or not he’d be shooting himself in the foot long term, he wanted all information available to him. How can he make a good decision if all possible info. isn’t given to him? Karen

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I merely question the logic of going on strike when your job market is over saturated. Are you capable of comprehending this?

Yeah, that one doesn’t make any sense to me, either.  If you represent only a small portion of a labor force, by what arrogance do you think you will have any affect on an industry when you strike?

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In other words, "It’s OUR way or the highway Simon!" We don’t care about your desire to act, and we really couldn’t care less about your ability to act or if the acting community would be strengthened by your ability to act.  We require fealty to the Guild.  Bow down and kiss our boots, and maybe–just MAYBE–we’ll allow you to work.

Not at all, Horned one. Anybody can act, just don’t expect to reap the benefits of union membership (i.e. health plan, dental, retirement benefits, and so on) if you scab now. In fact, given the propensity (or more correctly, the lack thereof) for actors to get paid work, even as a union actor, I would never discourage anyone from taking a job, even as a scab. All I say is, just know what you’re facing going forward. I think most SAG/AFTRA actors would agree with that sentiment. Carl ‘Wesistance is futiwe! Pwepawe to be assimiwated! Huh-uh-uh’- Elmer of Borg Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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:: Also, let’s just hope that someone doesn’t drop a line to the union :: about Karen Horn doing scab work.  Even if you didn’t do it, I’m sure :: it would take a long time to clear your name. : :? ???  I’m merely pointing out that many people offered you assistance :in good faith….and you seem to have blow it off. : :This included: : :  #1 numerous people advising you to consult with the SAG office :      to see if it was struck work, or if they had signed an interim :       agreement with SAG : :  #2 if it was struck, you had somone will to get you the information :      you would have needed to allow you to get a SAG card [should you :      desire one] for turning down a principle role in struck work. : :D id I imply you were a union actor?  If you think you might want :to be one in future, it would have served you better to consider :#1 & #2 above. : :Karen : ::

::: Damn, I’m glad I didn’t trust you.  I considered ::: calling you, but I strongly suspected ::: this "either do it my way or else" attitude. ::: You’re about as open minded as a pro-life rally. ::: ::: And, your hasty post demonstrates a REAL sympathy ::: towards a struggling actor who is confused when ::: faced with the rare opportunity that has ::: presented itself in a career path where few ::: opportunities exist.  I feel sorry for the other ::: actors whom you manipulate into following your ::: hidden agenda. ::: ::: Also, I’m glad you didn’t waste ANY time ::: besmirching my name, which is clearly an alias, ::: genius.  I just hope that there REALLY isn’t ::: someone named Simon Pope out there whom you’re ::: attempting to wrecklessly blacklist. ::: ::: Tell me you really don’t work for SAG. ::: ::: What a disappointment. :: ::#1 — you DIDN’T call him — and you really should have checked ::     out what he had to say — I don’t blame him for thinking ::     you might be a troll. :: ::#2 — I guess you don’t understand how this works: :: ::           ONE SAG actor — ONE NAME :: ::so if there is another Simon Pope out there who is an actor, there ::is only ONE Simon Pope who has that name in SAG :: ::Karen :: : : In other words, "It’s OUR way or the highway Simon!" We don’t care : about your desire to act, and we really couldn’t care less about your : ability to act or if the acting community would be strengthened by : your ability to act.  We require fealty to the Guild.  Bow down and : kiss our boots, and maybe–just MAYBE–we’ll allow you to work. : : HG Do you read, or are you capable of it? Try hooked on phonics. the person came to ask for advice.  GOOD advice was given.  No one said he had to join a union–but since he seemed concerned over whether or not he’d be shooting himself in the foot long term, he wanted all information available to him. How can he make a good decision if all possible info. isn’t given to him? Karen

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Question for ya, Simon: did you take the commercial, or walk off?

This is the only question that matters.  If he did do the job, he will likely be found out, regardless of whether or not he posted his real name here.  He may not find out that he’s been discovered until he someday applies for membership in SAG, but he’ll be found out nonetheless.  If he took the work, he MADE AN INFORMED DECISION TO DO SO. And what is more, I must make a distinction about what BLACKLISTING really means.  This word is too often bandied about incorrectly.  If a union denies membership to anyone (which is their legal right, by the way) they are NOT blacklisting that person in the industry. SAG has no intention of releasing a list of scab’s names to those who might employ actors.  Likewise, they will NOT be sending out any kind of communication through the industry when someone is denied membership. Blacklisting (in it’s common and practical definition) implies a direct interference with a person’s imminent employment (like in the HUAC days, when the government issued lists to the industry mandating that certain people were not to be employed).  After the strike, there will likely still be tons of legitimate non-union work avaiable to those who have MADE A CHOICE TO REMAIN NON-UNION FOREVER.  Let us not forget that these folks had a choice, no matter how tough it may have been.  Every day I have the option to cross the picket line, but I don’t do it.  No one put a gun to their head and said, "Take this commercial or we’ll kill you (or your dog/mother/rosebush)."  And while we’re in the dictionary mode, I’ll offer you the American Heritage definition of SCAB (with no editing, CAPS mine): scab: 2. informal; A worker who REFUSES membership in a labor union or who works while others are on strike. scabbed, scabbing:  2. informal; to work as a scab. Place whatever connotation (good or bad) you choose on these words . . . it doesn’t change the behavior. Regards, Lisa Lewis

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interesting thing is that she almost certainly has done ’scab’ work. you see according to webster’s dictionary a scab is defined as: "a worker who refuses to join a union, or who works for lower wages or under different conditions than those accepted by the union."

Oh, Ignoranus, as usual, you demonstrate why we call you that! The Webster’s definition clearly implies that the "scab" HA STHE OPTION to join the union and refuses to, or does not know to. Yes, we all have done work as non-union actors. We had to, because in order to join the union (SAG or Equity) we had to do the work FIRST. And as usual, Ignoranus, you demonstrate precisely why you’ve earned your nickname. Carl ‘Wesistance is futiwe! Pwepawe to be assimiwated! Huh-uh-uh’- Elmer of Borg Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Question for ya, Simon: did you take the commercial, or walk off? Carl ‘Wesistance is futiwe! Pwepawe to be assimiwated! Huh-uh-uh’- Elmer of Borg Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Also, let’s just hope that someone doesn’t drop a line to the union : about Karen Horn doing scab work.  Even if you didn’t do it, I’m sure : it would take a long time to clear your name. ????  I’m merely pointing out that many people offered you assistance in good faith….and you seem to have blow it off. This included:  #1 numerous people advising you to consult with the SAG office      to see if it was struck work, or if they had signed an interim       agreement with SAG  #2 if it was struck, you had somone will to get you the information      you would have needed to allow you to get a SAG card [should you      desire one] for turning down a principle role in struck work. Did I imply you were a union actor?  If you think you might want to be one in future, it would have served you better to consider #1 & #2 above. Karen : :: Damn, I’m glad I didn’t trust you.  I considered :: calling you, but I strongly suspected :: this "either do it my way or else" attitude. :: You’re about as open minded as a pro-life rally. :: :: And, your hasty post demonstrates a REAL sympathy :: towards a struggling actor who is confused when :: faced with the rare opportunity that has :: presented itself in a career path where few :: opportunities exist.  I feel sorry for the other :: actors whom you manipulate into following your :: hidden agenda. :: :: Also, I’m glad you didn’t waste ANY time :: besmirching my name, which is clearly an alias, :: genius.  I just hope that there REALLY isn’t :: someone named Simon Pope out there whom you’re :: attempting to wrecklessly blacklist. :: :: Tell me you really don’t work for SAG. :: :: What a disappointment. : :#1 — you DIDN’T call him — and you really should have checked :     out what he had to say — I don’t blame him for thinking :     you might be a troll. : :#2 — I guess you don’t understand how this works: : :           ONE SAG actor — ONE NAME : :so if there is another Simon Pope out there who is an actor, there :is only ONE Simon Pope who has that name in SAG : :Karen :

In other words, "It’s OUR way or the highway Simon!" We don’t care about your desire to act, and we really couldn’t care less about your ability to act or if the acting community would be strengthened by your ability to act.  We require fealty to the Guild.  Bow down and kiss our boots, and maybe–just MAYBE–we’ll allow you to work. HG

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: Also, let’s just hope that someone doesn’t drop a line to the union : about Karen Horn doing scab work.  Even if you didn’t do it, I’m sure : it would take a long time to clear your name. ????  I’m merely pointing out that many people offered you assistance in good faith….and you seem to have blow it off. This included:   #1 numerous people advising you to consult with the SAG office       to see if it was struck work, or if they had signed an interim        agreement with SAG   #2 if it was struck, you had somone will to get you the information       you would have needed to allow you to get a SAG card [should you       desire one] for turning down a principle role in struck work. Did I imply you were a union actor?  If you think you might want to be one in future, it would have served you better to consider #1 & #2 above. Karen :

:: Damn, I’m glad I didn’t trust you.  I considered :: calling you, but I strongly suspected :: this "either do it my way or else" attitude. :: You’re about as open minded as a pro-life rally. :: :: And, your hasty post demonstrates a REAL sympathy :: towards a struggling actor who is confused when :: faced with the rare opportunity that has :: presented itself in a career path where few :: opportunities exist.  I feel sorry for the other :: actors whom you manipulate into following your :: hidden agenda. :: :: Also, I’m glad you didn’t waste ANY time :: besmirching my name, which is clearly an alias, :: genius.  I just hope that there REALLY isn’t :: someone named Simon Pope out there whom you’re :: attempting to wrecklessly blacklist. :: :: Tell me you really don’t work for SAG. :: :: What a disappointment. : :#1 — you DIDN’T call him — and you really should have checked :     out what he had to say — I don’t blame him for thinking :     you might be a troll. : :#2 — I guess you don’t understand how this works: : :           ONE SAG actor — ONE NAME : :so if there is another Simon Pope out there who is an actor, there :is only ONE Simon Pope who has that name in SAG : :Karen :

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Also, let’s just hope that someone doesn’t drop a line to the union about Karen Horn doing scab work.  Even if you didn’t do it, I’m sure it would take a long time to clear your name.

interesting thing is that she almost certainly has done ’scab’ work. you see according to webster’s dictionary a scab is defined as: "a worker who refuses to join a union, or who works for lower wages or under different conditions than those accepted by the union." so, unless she was born into the union, like every other SAG member, she was once a ’scab.’  telling how quickly they turn their backs on their former brothers and sisters and condemn those who also pursue a paying job.  fear simon, it’s the master motivate for the weak. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Damn, I’m glad I didn’t trust you.  I considered : calling you, but I strongly suspected : this "either do it my way or else" attitude. : You’re about as open minded as a pro-life rally. : : And, your hasty post demonstrates a REAL sympathy : towards a struggling actor who is confused when : faced with the rare opportunity that has : presented itself in a career path where few : opportunities exist.  I feel sorry for the other : actors whom you manipulate into following your : hidden agenda. : : Also, I’m glad you didn’t waste ANY time : besmirching my name, which is clearly an alias, : genius.  I just hope that there REALLY isn’t : someone named Simon Pope out there whom you’re : attempting to wrecklessly blacklist. : : Tell me you really don’t work for SAG. : : What a disappointment. #1 — you DIDN’T call him — and you really should have checked     out what he had to say — I don’t blame him for thinking     you might be a troll. #2 — I guess you don’t understand how this works:           ONE SAG actor — ONE NAME so if there is another Simon Pope out there who is an actor, there is only ONE Simon Pope who has that name in SAG Karen

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Also, let’s just hope that someone doesn’t drop a line to the union about Karen Horn doing scab work.  Even if you didn’t do it, I’m sure it would take a long time to clear your name. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Damn, I’m glad I didn’t trust you.  I considered : calling you, but I strongly suspected : this "either do it my way or else" attitude. : You’re about as open minded as a pro-life rally. : : And, your hasty post demonstrates a REAL sympathy : towards a struggling actor who is confused when : faced with the rare opportunity that has : presented itself in a career path where few : opportunities exist.  I feel sorry for the other : actors whom you manipulate into following your : hidden agenda. : : Also, I’m glad you didn’t waste ANY time : besmirching my name, which is clearly an alias, : genius.  I just hope that there REALLY isn’t : someone named Simon Pope out there whom you’re : attempting to wrecklessly blacklist. : : Tell me you really don’t work for SAG. : : What a disappointment. #1 — you DIDN’T call him — and you really should have checked     out what he had to say — I don’t blame him for thinking     you might be a troll. #2 — I guess you don’t understand how this works:           ONE SAG actor — ONE NAME so if there is another Simon Pope out there who is an actor, there is only ONE Simon Pope who has that name in SAG Karen

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#1 — you DIDN’T call him — and you really should have checked     out what he had to say — I don’t blame him for thinking     you might be a troll.

Yeah, it’s clear I’m a troll.  I asked for sound advice on how to support the strike by declining a commercial and hopefully receive my SAG card. I’ll probably troll some more by asking something like recommendations for acting teachers or good sites on the Internet. #2 — I guess you don’t understand how this works:           ONE SAG actor — ONE NAME so if there is another Simon Pope out there who is an actor, there is only ONE Simon Pope who has that name in SAG Karen

Karen, I’m non-Union. Could you elaborate….or at least be more condescending?

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: Damn, I’m glad I didn’t trust you.  I considered : calling you, but I strongly suspected : this "either do it my way or else" attitude. : You’re about as open minded as a pro-life rally. : : And, your hasty post demonstrates a REAL sympathy : towards a struggling actor who is confused when : faced with the rare opportunity that has : presented itself in a career path where few : opportunities exist.  I feel sorry for the other : actors whom you manipulate into following your : hidden agenda. : : Also, I’m glad you didn’t waste ANY time : besmirching my name, which is clearly an alias, : genius.  I just hope that there REALLY isn’t : someone named Simon Pope out there whom you’re : attempting to wrecklessly blacklist. : : Tell me you really don’t work for SAG. : : What a disappointment. #1 — you DIDN’T call him — and you really should have checked      out what he had to say — I don’t blame him for thinking      you might be a troll. #2 — I guess you don’t understand how this works:            ONE SAG actor — ONE NAME so if there is another Simon Pope out there who is an actor, there is only ONE Simon Pope who has that name in SAG Karen

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Damn, I’m glad I didn’t trust you.  I considered calling you, but I strongly suspected this "either do it my way or else" attitude. You’re about as open minded as a pro-life rally. And, your hasty post demonstrates a REAL sympathy towards a struggling actor who is confused when faced with the rare opportunity that has presented itself in a career path where few opportunities exist.  I feel sorry for the other actors whom you manipulate into following your hidden agenda. Also, I’m glad you didn’t waste ANY time besmirching my name, which is clearly an alias, genius.  I just hope that there REALLY isn’t someone named Simon Pope out there whom you’re attempting to wrecklessly blacklist. Tell me you really don’t work for SAG. What a disappointment. Y’all probably remember that someone posted

claiming he was offered 15K to scab tomorrow.  Well I emailed him privately

my cell phone number and my numbers at strike HQ as well as the

address.  He neither called nor dropped by to set up a walk-off.  So I

guess his name goes on the scab list.  Too bad.  He posted wanting help.

I offered.  So either the initial post was BS or he’s truly non-union for life! Before you buy.

Before you buy.

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Y’all probably remember that someone posted claiming he was offered 15K to scab tomorrow.  Well I emailed him privately my cell phone number and my numbers at strike HQ as well as the address.  He neither called nor dropped by to set up a walk-off.  So I guess his name goes on the scab list.  Too bad.  He posted wanting help.  I offered.  So either the initial post was BS or he’s truly non-union for life!

Well, the least you can do is give him the benefit of the doubt until you are presented with actual proof to the contrary.  By not calling you he is to be blacklisted forever?  Maybe he talked to somebody else? How do you know he took this job? HG

Response:

Y’all probably remember that someone posted claiming he was offered 15K to scab tomorrow.  Well I emailed him privately my cell phone number and my numbers at strike HQ as well as the address.  He neither called nor dropped by to set up a walk-off.  So I guess his name goes on the scab list.  Too bad.  He posted wanting help.  I offered.  So either the initial post was BS or he’s truly non-union for life! Before you buy.

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