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Why do I feel like I’m getting more bashing than nice advice?  I have been told off in the newsgroups by saying many rude and slanderis things…….this is not even the least of it.  Excuse me folks for being unexperienced, and curious. Thank you to those who have been nice…..especially SHEZ.

Your very welcome dear, I know your having some problems with flamers,  regard them as children with bad manners, and little intelegence. it tends to put them in perspective. and if the worst comes to the worst, imagine them in the nude in a crowd of laughing people,  that brings your sense of humour back in line. Best wishes dear. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Melissa (a.k.a Melly) : : I have just started studying Wiccan about a week ago……I’ve learned a : lot, and been understanding a lot in such a short time……well shit I : better be, all these nights of studying…… :       to my point……one night……actually the first time I tryed to invoke : the Goddess, I got this funny feeling…..I felt weird…..I’m not shitting : anyone…but I felt so……I can’t explain it…..it almost scared : me…..is this stupid?  It felt so different for that point of : time……that it did scare me.  I know, I shouldn’t let it scare : me…..but is this natural?      Melissa,      I might suggest that a week is not enough preparation for "invoking the      Goddess".  While I am not sure exactly what it was you were doing (I      didn’t see your ritual and I wasn’t there) it is generally felt,      in my tradition, that invocation should only be done after a period      of training and preparation on the part of those doing and receiving      the invocation.      Why shouldn’t it scare you?  You were not properly trained and prepared.      If it didn’t scare you at all, I would worry about your degree of common      sense.  Would you set out to climb Mt. Everest after a week of reading      about mountain climbing?      If you have a web browser, check this URL:  http://www.wcc.on.ca : (delurking… a rare event.  Hi, everyone!) : Hey, Melly, if you just started a week ago, maybe you should just chill for a while.   : greg      I’m with Greg.  A bit of training now would do you more good than      trying things you are not really ready for.      BB,      Daniel —         "These are solely my opinions and observations – any organization          to which I belong will surely disagree with some of them."

– The ‘Old Craft’ lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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Why do I feel like I’m getting more bashing than nice advice?  I have been told off in the newsgroups by saying many rude and slanderis things…….this is not even the least of it.  Excuse me folks for being unexperienced, and curious. Thank you to those who have been nice…..especially SHEZ. Melissa (a.k.a Melly) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : I have just started studying Wiccan about a week ago……I’ve learned a : lot, and been understanding a lot in such a short time……well shit I : better be, all these nights of studying…… :       to my point……one night……actually the first time I tryed to invoke : the Goddess, I got this funny feeling…..I felt weird…..I’m not shitting : anyone…but I felt so……I can’t explain it…..it almost scared : me…..is this stupid?  It felt so different for that point of : time……that it did scare me.  I know, I shouldn’t let it scare : me…..but is this natural?    Melissa,    I might suggest that a week is not enough preparation for "invoking the    Goddess".  While I am not sure exactly what it was you were doing (I    didn’t see your ritual and I wasn’t there) it is generally felt,    in my tradition, that invocation should only be done after a period    of training and preparation on the part of those doing and receiving    the invocation.    Why shouldn’t it scare you?  You were not properly trained and prepared.    If it didn’t scare you at all, I would worry about your degree of common    sense.  Would you set out to climb Mt. Everest after a week of reading    about mountain climbing?    If you have a web browser, check this URL:  http://www.wcc.on.ca : (delurking… a rare event.  Hi, everyone!) : Hey, Melly, if you just started a week ago, maybe you should just chill for a while.   : greg    I’m with Greg.  A bit of training now would do you more good than    trying things you are not really ready for.    BB,    Daniel —         "These are solely my opinions and observations – any organization          to which I belong will surely disagree with some of them."

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Follow this thread back a bit folks.  It was not Melly who was having problems.      In her defense Melly has been one of the most sincere and unoffensive posters I have seen in this newsgroup for a very long time.   The only way she could be less obtrusive is to have remained a lurker. Tirion

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why do I feel like I’m getting more bashing than nice advice?  I have been told off in the newsgroups by saying many rude and slanderis things…….this is not even the least of it.  Excuse me folks for being unexperienced, and curious. Thank you to those who have been nice…..especially SHEZ. Melissa (a.k.a Melly) : : I have just started studying Wiccan about a week ago……I’ve learned a : lot, and been understanding a lot in such a short time……well shit I : better be, all these nights of studying…… :       to my point……one night……actually the first time I tryed to invoke : the Goddess, I got this funny feeling…..I felt weird…..I’m not shitting : anyone…but I felt so……I can’t explain it…..it almost scared : me…..is this stupid?  It felt so different for that point of : time……that it did scare me.  I know, I shouldn’t let it scare : me…..but is this natural?       Melissa,

  Hi there Melissa.  I snipped out the other folks messages so that I could lend you my views on this.   First of all, it is rather odd at first.  Rather it was for me.  I spent a great deal of time dealing with my brain telling me it was all "playtime" stuff.  If you haven’t ever dealt with things like this before, it’s going to be a bit unnerving at first.   My suggestion is to simply talk with the God and Goddess.  I mean really just chat with them.  I talk to them all the time, whether I am at home or in the car or at work, etc.  It helped me feel more connected to them.  And it doesn’t have to be big stuff you say to them either.  I tend to thank them when I’m on the highway for not killing me (the drivers out here are a bit crazed in general).  I also thank them for little things like my friends.   Secondly, relax.  Things have a way of working themselves through. First time I ever stepped out on stage I was scared S…well you get the idea. *grin*  Now, I’m persuing an acting career.  Have you tried meditation?  It’s another way that I found that I could feel connected with my Goddess and God.   Mind you, everything is different for everybody, but I have "heard" my Goddess speak to me.  The first time it totally freaked me out.  It’s not often I hear a female voice in my head.  Mostly it’s just the clutter I keep up ther.  I guess what I’m trying to say is that things will suddenly pop up unexpected and you should try to just "roll with the punches".   I’m sorry that you’re having so much trouble here lately.  I don’t post often, but for the most part, the folks here are good folks. B.B.King sings in a song "Life ain’t nothin but a party, and if you live it that way the party goes on and on."  Relax my friend…it just takes a little getting used to. Michael

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I have just started studying Wiccan about a week ago….I tryed to invoke the Goddess, I got this funny feeling…..I felt weird….it almost scared me…..is this stupid? …

     Quite the contrary.  Fear and uncertainty is perfectly natural, especially since you’re dealing with a number of unknown and unfamiliar factors, and an extremely powerful entity.  (Why Kirk and Picard don’t wet their pants every other week I don’t know! :)  You will be amazed at how familiar things will become–things that others do not even believe are possible–"magick" and the "paranormal." Welcome to THE CRAFT. yeppers it is natural and sometimes gets a little wierder as time goes by. The trick is to be able to live and function in the "real" world while intragrating your new spiritual side.

     I’m from a scientific background (I have a Batchlor’s degree in Biology and I’m in medical school), so I was indoctrinated with skepticism, but I’ve kept an open mind, and I’ve seen things that have convinced me that there is more to existance than most people realize. It is scary at first, but in the end, it’s really a great comfort.  It’s easy to be nervous when meeting new people, especially when they’re ancient dieties! –Jon

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Snip! : Threre could be many different reasons for such a feeling…. : 1.  You say youre studying a lot; are you also getting sufficient : rest, food, etc?  IOW, are you grounding rpoperly? : 2.  What do you *expect* to experience?  If you expect something : strange, frequently your subconscious will give it to you. : What does the Goddess mean to you?  What do think of when you think of : Goddess?   : 3.  What else was going on at the time? : 4.  Are you properly shielding/ cleansing, casting sacred space?? : 5.  Did you invoke a particular Goddess or aspect?  Who? : 6.  Theres a difference between INvoke and Evoke.  Which did you do? : (Invoke is to bring the Goddess down into yourself; Evoke is to invite : Her presence, call Her forth into the area. : Suggest you: : 1.relalx, take it easy. : 2.  Get a good, reliable teacher. : Gaia Good advice. And for whatever God/ess you work with sake, learn a banishing ritual! It gives you a leg to stand on, and can be quite quick and easy…. — Fireclown Curious Yellow (Z)                  

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: : I have just started studying Wiccan about a week ago……I’ve learned a : lot, and been understanding a lot in such a short time……well shit I : better be, all these nights of studying…… :       to my point……one night……actually the first time I tryed to invoke : the Goddess, I got this funny feeling…..I felt weird…..I’m not shitting : anyone…but I felt so……I can’t explain it…..it almost scared : me…..is this stupid?  It felt so different for that point of : time……that it did scare me.  I know, I shouldn’t let it scare : me…..but is this natural?         Melissa,         I might suggest that a week is not enough preparation for "invoking the         Goddess".  While I am not sure exactly what it was you were doing (I         didn’t see your ritual and I wasn’t there) it is generally felt,         in my tradition, that invocation should only be done after a period         of training and preparation on the part of those doing and receiving         the invocation.         Why shouldn’t it scare you?  You were not properly trained and prepared.         If it didn’t scare you at all, I would worry about your degree of common         sense.  Would you set out to climb Mt. Everest after a week of reading         about mountain climbing?         If you have a web browser, check this URL:  http://www.wcc.on.ca : (delurking… a rare event.  Hi, everyone!) : Hey, Melly, if you just started a week ago, maybe you should just chill for a while.   : greg         I’m with Greg.  A bit of training now would do you more good than         trying things you are not really ready for.         BB,         Daniel —         "These are solely my opinions and observations – any organization          to which I belong will surely disagree with some of them."

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just started studying Wiccan about a week ago….I tryed to invoke the Goddess, I got this funny feeling…..I felt weird….it almost scared me…..is this stupid? …     Quite the contrary.  Fear and uncertainty is perfectly natural, especially since you’re dealing with a number of unknown and unfamiliar factors, and an extremely powerful entity.  (Why Kirk and Picard don’t wet their pants every other week I don’t know! :)  You will be amazed at how familiar things will become–things that others do not even believe are possible–"magick" and the "paranormal." Welcome to THE CRAFT. yeppers it is natural and sometimes gets a little wierder as time goes by. The trick is to be able to live and function in the "real" world while intragrating your new spiritual side.     I’m from a scientific background (I have a Batchlor’s degree in Biology and I’m in medical school), so I was indoctrinated with skepticism, but I’ve kept an open mind, and I’ve seen things that have convinced me that there is more to existance than most people realize. It is scary at first, but in the end, it’s really a great comfort.  It’s easy to be nervous when meeting new people, especially when they’re ancient dieties! –Jon

I’ve worked in the medical field for my entire career (oh, 20+ years or so).   I’ve noticed that many in this field are deeply spiritual.  Their paths may vary, but despite their scientific training, their experience leads them to believe in more.   Everyone in medicine sooner or later encounters the impossible that has just happened before their eyes.  When a bunch of my nurse friends and I were having dinner about a year ago we got to talking about this.  We all had stories (many, many stories) along these lines.  In every single case we all were changed by those occurrances.  We are all very spiritual because of things we have seen with our own eyes and experienced in our lives.  It is indeed very comforting.   Loki – who *knows* science can’t explain everything (well at least yet)

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My first real break through to the Goddess came on top of a very emotional argument with my parents (many, many years ago).  I stormed off by mself and dropped into a chair and closed my eyes to try to compose myself.    On top of the emotional charge I cried out into my Center, "Oh Lady, where are you when I need you."    Well I thought I had been going to my center when meditating.  I was pulled much, much deeper than I had ever been before.  There a gentle loving, laughing voice chided me:  My child I am always here but you don’t listen.    (This is only words and they are such a poor substitute for the experience)  I was now talking to her on several levels.  One part of me was silent in wonder and awe.  Another was asking:  Am I truly your child?  "All things that live are my children and you too are one of them."    At least two other parts were doing a question and answer session that I am aware of.  But mostly it taught me there is a Lady (and by inference her Consort), she is there, and if only we can learn to listen to her we can be much happier.    No, you are not crazy or stupid.  If you have had an experience anything like mine you are blessed.  Remember this always. Tirion

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have just started studying Wiccan about a week ago……I’ve learned a lot, and been understanding a lot in such a short time……well shit I better be, all these nights of studying……       to my point……one night……actually the first time I tryed to invoke VAthe Goddess, I got this funny feeling…..I felt weird…..I’m not shitting anyone…but I felt so……I can’t explain it…..it almost scared me…..is this stupid?  It felt so different for that point of time……that it did scare me.  I know, I shouldn’t let it scare me…..but is this natural? Melissa Welcome to THE CRAFT. yeppers it is natural and sometimes gets a little wierder as time goes by. The trick is to be able to live and function in the "real" world while intragrating your new spiritual side.

No, the trick is to get EVEN WEIRDER!!! It helps in the enevitable play for world domination. —                   Darklove  I don’t really miss god, but I sure miss Santa Claus…

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I have just started studying Wiccan about a week ago……I’ve learned a lot, and been understanding a lot in such a short time……well shit I better be, all these nights of studying……    to my point……one night……actually the first time I tryed to invoke

VAthe Goddess, I got this funny feeling…..I felt weird…..I’m not shitting anyone…but I felt so……I can’t explain it…..it almost scared me…..is this stupid?  It felt so different for that point of time……that it did scare me.  I know, I shouldn’t let it scare me…..but is this natural? Melissa

Welcome to THE CRAFT. yeppers it is natural and sometimes gets a little wierder as time goes by. The trick is to be able to live and function in the "real" world while intragrating your new spiritual side. aldric

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I have just started studying Wiccan about a week ago……I’ve learned a lot, and been understanding a lot in such a short time……well shit I better be, all these nights of studying……       to my point……one night……actually the first time I tryed to invoke the Goddess, I got this funny feeling…..I felt weird…..I’m not shitting anyone…but I felt so……I can’t explain it…..it almost scared me…..is this stupid?  It felt so different for that point of time……that it did scare me.  I know, I shouldn’t let it scare me…..but is this natural?

(delurking… a rare event.  Hi, everyone!) Hey, Melly, if you just started a week ago, maybe you should just chill for a while.   Take time to read more, ask more questions, learn more.  I’m still a relative newbie myself, so we’re in a somewhat similar place right now.  I’ve been studying for maybe a year and a half now (sometimes superficially, sometimes pretty intensely, depending on what else is going on in my life). This solstice, just a few days ago, was the first time I felt comfortable trying anything your talking about here.  I evoked the Horned God (not invoked- thanks for the distinction, Gaia).  Because I’d taken my time about getting there, I felt fairly comfortable with it. Now, I’m 25, so I figure I’ve got a long life ahead of me to get this all figured out.  There’s no hurry, no need to rush things.  Things will fall together when they’re ready to.  I can be prepared or unprepared, but I can’t really speed it up too much.  My advice would be to take a similar approach. You seem pretty anxious to get it all down, to do everything *just* right, etc.  One of the things I like about this path (or collection of paths, as it were) is that there’s no one true way.  If it works for you, go with it.  If a book says one thing, and you prefer something different, then go for it.  If it works, you’re doing good.   If it doesn’t, you’ve learned something, so you’re still doing good.  Just be sure to understand what you’re doing, and why.  As long as you’re thoughtful, you’ve got plenty of time to figure it all out. Hope the advice is helpful.  I’m in a similar stage of learning, so my little bit of experience may be useful.  Good luck to you. the grass is growing up through the concrete, greg

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I have just started studying Wiccan about a week ago……I’ve learned a lot, and been understanding a lot in such a short time……well shit I better be, all these nights of studying……    to my point……one night……actually the first time I tryed to invoke the Goddess, I got this funny feeling…..I felt weird…..I’m not shitting anyone…but I felt so……I can’t explain it…..it almost scared me…..is this stupid?  It felt so different for that point of time……that it did scare me.  I know, I shouldn’t let it scare me…..but is this natural? Melissa

Yes that’s quite normal…for some…You get used to it after a while, but do not be afraid for you have nothing to fear. bb, mikel

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I have just started studying Wiccan about a week ago……I’ve learned a lot, and been understanding a lot in such a short time……well shit I better be, all these nights of studying……    to my point……one night……actually the first time I tryed to invoke the Goddess, I got this funny feeling…..I felt weird…..I’m not shitting anyone…but I felt so……I can’t explain it…..it almost scared me…..is this stupid?  It felt so different for that point of time……that it did scare me.  I know, I shouldn’t let it scare me…..but is this natural?

Melly, how old are you? Were do you live?  Do you have access to a teacher? I really think you should be working with a teacher….. If youll send me your approx address, Ill try to locate the nearest Covenant of the Goddess regional group for you to hook up with…they can also recommend good teachers.  They certify elders and clergy.   Threre could be many different reasons for such a feeling…. 1.  You say youre studying a lot; are you also getting sufficient rest, food, etc?  IOW, are you grounding rpoperly? 2.  What do you *expect* to experience?  If you expect something strange, frequently your subconscious will give it to you. What does the Goddess mean to you?  What do think of when you think of Goddess?   3.  What else was going on at the time? 4.  Are you properly shielding/ cleansing, casting sacred space?? 5.  Did you invoke a particular Goddess or aspect?  Who? 6.  Theres a difference between INvoke and Evoke.  Which did you do? (Invoke is to bring the Goddess down into yourself; Evoke is to invite Her presence, call Her forth into the area. Suggest you: 1.relalx, take it easy. 2.  Get a good, reliable teacher. Gaia

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Well, Melly, the gods tell me that your story isn’t all complete but I like your questions because it gives me a chance to clarify what I know. If you are writing all this down or saving the email, then great. What you’ll want to do is start a club. How to start? Check here. http://www.goodnet.com/~felixxx/wicca.html When you invoke and evoke, you are tapping into nature’s hidden power. That power is within you and is mirrored throughout the entire universe. You are the mirror of the universe. As above, so below. Yo!

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<snip to my point……one night……actually the first time I tryed to invoke the Goddess, I got this funny feeling…..I felt weird…..I’m not shitting anyone…but I felt so……I can’t explain it…..it almost scared me…..is this stupid?  It felt so different for that point of time……that it did scare me.  I know, I shouldn’t let it scare me…..but is this natural?

Strong feelings – including spiritual expereinces – often exhibit themselves physically, and in unusual or new ways.  If was an ordinary every-day feeling, then spirituality would be an unspecial commonplace thing.  It is the very sort of reaction – kinda nice but awe-inspiring – that intrigues folks and keeps ‘em coming back for more.  Very natural. — Glen F. Marshall

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I have just started studying Wiccan about a week ago……I’ve learned a lot, and been understanding a lot in such a short time……well shit I better be, all these nights of studying……         to my point……one night……actually the first time I tryed to invoke the Goddess, I got this funny feeling…..I felt weird…..I’m not shitting anyone…but I felt so……I can’t explain it…..it almost scared me…..is this stupid?  It felt so different for that point of time……that it did scare me.  I know, I shouldn’t let it scare me…..but is this natural? Melissa

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