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To be or not to be

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Celeste, I don’t want to hurt you, but I do want you to consider something. Is this way of expressing your anger at Mark helping you – or hurting you? Dragon

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thank you for the reminder dragon. it is true. and love, tries to reach those who do not have or know love, for they recognize the pain that prevents most people, from loving, or reaching out from behind their fears in the risk of giving love, and trusting folks who say they love them back. real love, loves. it does not judge. and without judgement, this "note" from mark, expressing how loved he is and how others are not, would never needed to have been written. it was not spoken with the "i," "you" form, but it is implied thruout. The universal you, and the specific "i" are implied, and heard. loud and clear. how do you live on this lowly earth with the rest of us oh might mark? this lett is again, just one more way to put down others as "not as good as" he is. not as worthy of that special love he feels he has, but for some reason he can’t express to "outsiders" unless they agree with him, in all things, and in the exact moments he demands it. Those who truly love, also love those who do not. Dragon To be or not to be, that is the question. The world is not divided into pedophiles and non-pedophiles, but in =hose who have Love and those who do not. Those who have Love will act =f Love, will wear that Love as a breast-plate; and when ever the time =omes that they struggle with feelings that are contrary to Love, they =ill likely despise themselves; that is, until such time that they =ealize that only a person of Love would be troubled with those =houghts. And the people of Love will not fall; instead, the Love in their soul, and the realization of Its presence, will only grow, and with it the realization that we are not the subservient, sinful and depraved creatures that our false teachers would have us believe. But that we are the greatest of His creation, and the most wonderful of all His handiworks, and the objects of His great Soul’s love and tenderest care. The people of Love have friends, for Love tends to radiate outwards, and will never remain hidden. And people of Love will find themselves =itting in a San Francisco restaurant, surrounded with other people of =ove. And, looking outside the window of their soul, they will see cruel =aves of hatred beat upon the shore, but will not feel affected by it in =he least. And people will ask them, "Does it not bother you that people =ell you and your friends that you should have been aborted?" And the =eople of Love answer, "No, why should it? Look outside at the waves =reaking against the shore; hatefulness is kept at bay by the =ranquility of our peaceful hearts. We are mere onlookers of a distant =pectacle; that is all the effect it has on us." Then there are those who lack Love. They have no friends. They will =ant, they will rave, they will set mother against father, brother =gainst sister, and will, wherever they tread, wreak havoc and cause =reat pain and turmoil. But when their frustration level reaches too =igh, they will eventually post, in the agony which is the reaping of =heir sowing, and will bitterly voice of their friendless lives. And =hey will be angry at their so-called "friends" for leaving them, =itting all alone in a channel on Efnet. And they will realize that it =as not the one evil person keeping them out, but simply a matter of =heir "friends" not really being their friends. And they will realize =hey have no one. They have alliances, at best. And the grinding of the =eeth is theirs. – Mark

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remember that lie from "princess bride"? "we are men of honor. Lies do not become us." if only it were true of the people who claimed to be people of honor, that i chose to believe in my life. Crappy decision making on my part, to always trust those who  can not speak the truth, and even inthe midst of speaking "truth", they are incapable of living it. c. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Those who truly love, also love those who do not. doesnt mean you have to like them tho :) No, it doesn’t.  That’s the part so many seem to miss. That kind of love, does not require that you like the person, and pretending that you do is just a form of lieing to them. Dragon

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thank you for the reminder dragon. it is true. and love, tries to reach those who do not have or know love, for they recognize the pain that prevents most people, from loving, or reaching out from behind their fears in the risk of giving love, and trusting folks who say they love them back. real love, loves. it does not judge. and without judgement, this "note" from mark, expressing how loved he is and how others are not, would never needed to have been written. it was not spoken with the "i," "you" form, but it is implied thruout. The universal you, and the specific "i" are implied, and heard. loud and clear. how do you live on this lowly earth with the rest of us oh might mark? this lett is again, just one more way to put down others as "not as good as" he is. not as worthy of that special love he feels he has, but for some reason he can’t express to "outsiders" unless they agree with him, in all things, and in the exact moments he demands it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Those who truly love, also love those who do not. Dragon To be or not to be, that is the question. The world is not divided into pedophiles and non-pedophiles, but in =hose who have Love and those who do not. Those who have Love will act =f Love, will wear that Love as a breast-plate; and when ever the time =omes that they struggle with feelings that are contrary to Love, they =ill likely despise themselves; that is, until such time that they =ealize that only a person of Love would be troubled with those =houghts. And the people of Love will not fall; instead, the Love in their soul, and the realization of Its presence, will only grow, and with it the realization that we are not the subservient, sinful and depraved creatures that our false teachers would have us believe. But that we are the greatest of His creation, and the most wonderful of all His handiworks, and the objects of His great Soul’s love and tenderest care. The people of Love have friends, for Love tends to radiate outwards, and will never remain hidden. And people of Love will find themselves =itting in a San Francisco restaurant, surrounded with other people of =ove. And, looking outside the window of their soul, they will see cruel =aves of hatred beat upon the shore, but will not feel affected by it in =he least. And people will ask them, "Does it not bother you that people =ell you and your friends that you should have been aborted?" And the =eople of Love answer, "No, why should it? Look outside at the waves =reaking against the shore; hatefulness is kept at bay by the =ranquility of our peaceful hearts. We are mere onlookers of a distant =pectacle; that is all the effect it has on us." Then there are those who lack Love. They have no friends. They will =ant, they will rave, they will set mother against father, brother =gainst sister, and will, wherever they tread, wreak havoc and cause =reat pain and turmoil. But when their frustration level reaches too =igh, they will eventually post, in the agony which is the reaping of =heir sowing, and will bitterly voice of their friendless lives. And =hey will be angry at their so-called "friends" for leaving them, =itting all alone in a channel on Efnet. And they will realize that it =as not the one evil person keeping them out, but simply a matter of =heir "friends" not really being their friends. And they will realize =hey have no one. They have alliances, at best. And the grinding of the =eeth is theirs. – Mark

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lol it is always for his benefit. all that "its for you" crap, is coming from mark, just that. crap. celeste (arrogance and ego rear their ugly heads yet again) want to stand on the street corner and pray REAL loud too mark? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – wass that for our benefit, or your own? Colin.

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love, loves all things. thank you dragon, for the reminder. celeste – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Those who truly love, also love those who do not. Dragon To be or not to be, that is the question. The world is not divided into pedophiles and non-pedophiles, but in =hose who have Love and those who do not. Those who have Love will act =f Love, will wear that Love as a breast-plate; and when ever the time =omes that they struggle with feelings that are contrary to Love, they =ill likely despise themselves; that is, until such time that they =ealize that only a person of Love would be troubled with those =houghts. And the people of Love will not fall; instead, the Love in their soul, and the realization of Its presence, will only grow, and with it the realization that we are not the subservient, sinful and depraved creatures that our false teachers would have us believe. But that we are the greatest of His creation, and the most wonderful of all His handiworks, and the objects of His great Soul’s love and tenderest care. The people of Love have friends, for Love tends to radiate outwards, and will never remain hidden. And people of Love will find themselves =itting in a San Francisco restaurant, surrounded with other people of =ove. And, looking outside the window of their soul, they will see cruel =aves of hatred beat upon the shore, but will not feel affected by it in =he least. And people will ask them, "Does it not bother you that people =ell you and your friends that you should have been aborted?" And the =eople of Love answer, "No, why should it? Look outside at the waves =reaking against the shore; hatefulness is kept at bay by the =ranquility of our peaceful hearts. We are mere onlookers of a distant =pectacle; that is all the effect it has on us." Then there are those who lack Love. They have no friends. They will =ant, they will rave, they will set mother against father, brother =gainst sister, and will, wherever they tread, wreak havoc and cause =reat pain and turmoil. But when their frustration level reaches too =igh, they will eventually post, in the agony which is the reaping of =heir sowing, and will bitterly voice of their friendless lives. And =hey will be angry at their so-called "friends" for leaving them, =itting all alone in a channel on Efnet. And they will realize that it =as not the one evil person keeping them out, but simply a matter of =heir "friends" not really being their friends. And they will realize =hey have no one. They have alliances, at best. And the grinding of the =eeth is theirs. – Mark

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Those who truly love, also love those who do not. doesnt mean you have to like them tho :)

No, it doesn’t.  That’s the part so many seem to miss. That kind of love, does not require that you like the person, and pretending that you do is just a form of lieing to them. Dragon

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To be or not to be, that is the question. The world is not divided into pedophiles and non-pedophiles, but in those who have Love and those who do not. Those who have Love will act of Love, yes, that is true. did you plan on doing that soon? will wear that Love as a breast-plate; and when ever the time comes that they struggle with feelings that are contrary to Love, they will likely despise themselves; that is, until such time that they realize that only a person of Love would be troubled with those thoughts. i have not seen you troubled by the pain you have  caused numerous others. I have seen you rejoice in it. And the people of Love will not fall; instead, the Love in their soul, and the realization of Its presence, will only grow, and with it the realization that we are not the subservient, sinful and depraved creatures that our false teachers would have us believe. indeed mark. and you are one of those false teachers trying to convince people they are the sinful sick and depraved creatures– you’ve done it with me. yuo’ve done it with liz, james, pat, and anyone who supports someone you dont like you have done it despite the truth. you have done it in the name of lies, andyour pride in your belief in those lies. ifyou believe in love like this mark, then i look forward to the day you live it. But that we are the greatest of His creation, and the most wonderful of all His handiworks, and the objects of His great Soul’s love and tenderest care. yes we are. so am i. so is james. so is pat. so is liz. glad you dont have a problem seeing your own "beauty", but find it pitiful that you can not accept that beauty in others, even when they give of themselves to you, to the point there is nothing they can think of, that they haven’t given. and love, respects the boundaries of the loved ones. The people of Love have friends, for Love tends to radiate outwards, and will never remain hidden. how true. lets hope they are real friends, and not liars waiting to slice someones heart out, betray them, or cross their boundaries endlessly even though it triggers them to no end, and makes them relive the pain of not being safe, with those they love most. And people of Love will find themselves sitting in a San Francisco restaurant, surrounded with other people of Love. And, looking outside the window of their soul, they will see cruel waves of hatred beat upon the shore, but will not feel affected by it in the least. And people will ask them, "Does it not bother you that people tell you and your friends that you should have been aborted?" And the people of Love answer, "No, why should it? Look outside at the waves breaking against the shore; hatefulness is kept at bay by the tranquility of our peaceful hearts. i’d believe that if this very letter didn’t reek of judgement, and better then thounesss, that you are so loving, and all those others are so much less then you. It is you i see beating against the shore mark. and it is those who are seeking love and peace, and seeking to uplift eachother instead of tear down those in need, or those they claim to love, it is those people who are the people of love. and i note, they had no need to come here, and make all sorts of claims of their own "goodness", and "love" and "light". real love, love in being and in living and in action, shows itself. it does not need to be proclaimed in loud voices from boxes on streetcorners, or from a pulpit either. We are mere onlookers of a distant spectacle; that is all the effect it has on us." yes, you have shown the pain of others, is just a distant spectacle,a nd has no effect on you. congratulations on your cold hearted judgement, hatefulness, and cold hearted betrayals. you must be so proud. Then there are those who lack Love. They have no friends. They will rant, they will rave, they will set mother against father, brother against sister, and will, wherever they tread, wreak havoc and cause great pain and turmoil. But when their frustration level reaches too high, they will eventually post, in the agony which is the reaping of their sowing, and will bitterly voice of their friendless lives. And they will be angry at their so-called "friends" for leaving them, sitting all alone in a channel on Efnet. well, i know my friends left me sitting in doctors waiting rooms, crying for support and love as i deal with very real problems,and my "friends" left me sitting alone, not on efnet. but in real life. in my every day, very real life, and my very real pain. And they will realize that it was not the one evil person keeping them out, but simply a matter of their "friends" not really being their friends. but of course that leads one to wonder, did those so called friends ever really have any idea what "love" was? did they ever really care at all, or was it all just words? words are so easy mark. living it, is where the test is. have you lived it mark? And they will realize they have no one. They have alliances, at best. And the grinding of the teeth is theirs. the freedom, the freedom from the lies of those who would lead them to believe in the "safety" of a love/friendship that doesn’t and never did exist. they are free, freedom from being yused, and freedom from the abuse of others telling them who they are, and whaqt they can never become or be, and why they are not worthy of love. there is freedom in leaving those liars to their lies. there is freedom in leaving you to your empty words. celeste – Mark

Response:

Those who truly love, also love those who do not.

doesnt mean you have to like them tho :) specialk – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dragon To be or not to be, that is the question. The world is not divided into pedophiles and non-pedophiles, but in =hose who have Love and those who do not. Those who have Love will act =f Love, will wear that Love as a breast-plate; and when ever the time =omes that they struggle with feelings that are contrary to Love, they =ill likely despise themselves; that is, until such time that they =ealize that only a person of Love would be troubled with those =houghts. And the people of Love will not fall; instead, the Love in their soul, and the realization of Its presence, will only grow, and with it the realization that we are not the subservient, sinful and depraved creatures that our false teachers would have us believe. But that we are the greatest of His creation, and the most wonderful of all His handiworks, and the objects of His great Soul’s love and tenderest care. The people of Love have friends, for Love tends to radiate outwards, and will never remain hidden. And people of Love will find themselves =itting in a San Francisco restaurant, surrounded with other people of =ove. And, looking outside the window of their soul, they will see cruel =aves of hatred beat upon the shore, but will not feel affected by it in =he least. And people will ask them, "Does it not bother you that people =ell you and your friends that you should have been aborted?" And the =eople of Love answer, "No, why should it? Look outside at the waves =reaking against the shore; hatefulness is kept at bay by the =ranquility of our peaceful hearts. We are mere onlookers of a distant =pectacle; that is all the effect it has on us." Then there are those who lack Love. They have no friends. They will =ant, they will rave, they will set mother against father, brother =gainst sister, and will, wherever they tread, wreak havoc and cause =reat pain and turmoil. But when their frustration level reaches too =igh, they will eventually post, in the agony which is the reaping of =heir sowing, and will bitterly voice of their friendless lives. And =hey will be angry at their so-called "friends" for leaving them, =itting all alone in a channel on Efnet. And they will realize that it =as not the one evil person keeping them out, but simply a matter of =heir "friends" not really being their friends. And they will realize =hey have no one. They have alliances, at best. And the grinding of the =eeth is theirs. – Mark

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Those who truly love, also love those who do not. Dragon

To be or not to be, that is the question. The world is not divided into pedophiles and non-pedophiles, but in =hose who have Love and those who do not. Those who have Love will act =f Love, will wear that Love as a breast-plate; and when ever the time =omes that they struggle with feelings that are contrary to Love, they =ill likely despise themselves; that is, until such time that they =ealize that only a person of Love would be troubled with those =houghts. And the people of Love will not fall; instead, the Love in their soul, and the realization of Its presence, will only grow, and with it the realization that we are not the subservient, sinful and depraved creatures that our false teachers would have us believe. But that we are the greatest of His creation, and the most wonderful of all His handiworks, and the objects of His great Soul’s love and tenderest care. The people of Love have friends, for Love tends to radiate outwards, and will never remain hidden. And people of Love will find themselves =itting in a San Francisco restaurant, surrounded with other people of =ove. And, looking outside the window of their soul, they will see cruel =aves of hatred beat upon the shore, but will not feel affected by it in =he least. And people will ask them, "Does it not bother you that people =ell you and your friends that you should have been aborted?" And the =eople of Love answer, "No, why should it? Look outside at the waves =reaking against the shore; hatefulness is kept at bay by the =ranquility of our peaceful hearts. We are mere onlookers of a distant =pectacle; that is all the effect it has on us." Then there are those who lack Love. They have no friends. They will =ant, they will rave, they will set mother against father, brother =gainst sister, and will, wherever they tread, wreak havoc and cause =reat pain and turmoil. But when their frustration level reaches too =igh, they will eventually post, in the agony which is the reaping of =heir sowing, and will bitterly voice of their friendless lives. And =hey will be angry at their so-called "friends" for leaving them, =itting all alone in a channel on Efnet. And they will realize that it =as not the one evil person keeping them out, but simply a matter of =heir "friends" not really being their friends. And they will realize =hey have no one. They have alliances, at best. And the grinding of the =eeth is theirs. – Mark

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wass that for our benefit, or your own? Colin.

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To be or not to be, that is the question. The world is not divided into pedophiles and non-pedophiles, but in those who have Love and those who do not.

I opened this post with an open mind, willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I don’t *think so at this early point.  You’re already making excuses and trying to justify this. Mark, there is nothing loving about fucking a child.  Nothing.  The world is divided into all kinds of things, and yes, pedos and non pedos are a coouple of the categories.  The rest of us are not all budding pedos, Mark. Those who have Love will act of Love, will wear that Love as a breast-plate; and when ever the time comes that they struggle with feelings that are contrary to Love, they will likely despise themselves; that is, until such time that they realize that only a person of Love would be troubled with those thoughts.

Then what, Mark?  They embrace the fantasies of fucking kids and tell themselves, oh it’s ok to feel this way because it *troubles me I feel this way? And the people of Love will not fall; instead, the Love in their soul, and the realization of Its presence, will only grow, and with it the realization that we are not the subservient, sinful and depraved creatures that our false teachers would have us believe. But that we are the greatest of His creation, and the most wonderful of all His handiworks, and the objects of His great Soul’s love and tenderest care.

I don’t think God, if He exists, thinks of pedophiles as a shining moment in his creative career, Mark.  You want to suggest that it doesn’t matter what a person thinks, or says, or does, because we are all God’s children and he loves us all, but that’s crap. It DOES matter what people think and do.  Thinking about fucking children is *wrong.  If it weren’t, it wouldn’t ‘trouble’ you to think about it.  Certainly acting on those feelsings does not put you on the same pedestal with Mother Theresa. The people of Love have friends,

Yup…with children. for Love tends to radiate outwards, and will never remain hidden. And people of Love will find themselves sitting in a San Francisco restaurant, surrounded with other people of Love. And, looking outside the window of their soul, they will see cruel waves of hatred beat upon the shore, but will not feel affected by it in the least.

And instead be moved to leave a self serving, wildly pretentious post about how it doesn’t affect them in the least. And people will ask them, "Does it not bother you that people tell you and your friends that you should have been aborted?" And the people of Love answer, "No, why should it? Look outside at the waves breaking against the shore; hatefulness is kept at bay by the tranquility of our peaceful hearts. We are mere onlookers of a distant spectacle; that is all the effect it has on us."

Yet you took time from that peaceful place with those good friends and that wine and food and birdies singing in the background to write this here.  Something isn’t quite adding up. Then there are those who lack Love. They have no friends. They will rant, they will rave, they will set mother against father, brother against sister,

You’re right, Mark…let’s all be like you and what?  Fuck our mothers and brothers and sisters?  What are you *saying? and will, wherever they tread, wreak havoc and cause great pain and turmoil. But when their frustration level reaches too high, they will eventually post, in the agony which is the reaping of their sowing, and will bitterly voice of their friendless lives. And they will be angry at their so-called "friends" for leaving them, sitting all alone in a channel on Efnet. And they will realize that it was not the one evil person keeping them out, but simply a matter of their "friends" not really being their friends. And they will realize they have no one. They have alliances, at best. And the grinding of the teeth is theirs.

I have never read a more self serving, self aggrandizing piece of backhanded flamery in my life.  That you honestly *believe this tripe, this whole post about love and shit, designed to excuse your wanting to sleep with Lisa’s or Kc’s children, etc and then use it as a flame, a flame you did not even have the courage to come right out and post is maybe the most astonishing thing I have ever read. I’m going to go take a shower. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – - Mark

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