Act Acting » Child Actors » Waterworld – fun for sailors
Waterworld – fun for sailors
Question:
snip Jenneau has built several of the most awesome racing multihulls around and according to the French multihull mag. the sailing in the film is actually done from below-deck (joy-stick, closed circuit tv etc) by someone from Jenneau.
I read in Multihulls that Randy Smythe did a lot of the sailing. By the way I got a kick out of the fact that there was enough wind to outrun jetskis bot no significant waves. Best part of the movie, though is when Costner senses the boom coming towards his head. My kids and I were VERY impressed with this move. Dave Smalley
Response:
The biggest technical flaw was the planet — a water-planet would have persistant, unstoppable hurricanes (like sailing on Jupiter), instead of flat water with perfect breezes. And if there was no land for plants, just *what* did they use as fuel for their bar-B-que of monster fish (and where did all those fresh cigarettes come from)?
I seem to remember that the land was to the south, but no one thought to sail that way. Dave Smalley
Response:
Speaking of sails: Did anyone notice a problem in the "kite-flying" scene??
could it be that the jib and main were set for sailing upwind when this kite thing was launched – which could only work when heading down wind? Dan
Response:
: The : biggest technical flaw was the planet — a water-planet would have : persistant, unstoppable hurricanes (like sailing on Jupiter), instead of : flat water with perfect breezes. That and the fact that the polar caps don’t have enough ice to flood the planet. But, facts haven’t stopped the esteemed Mr. Kostner before (Dances, JFK).
How much would a total meltdown raise sea level? dsc Dudley Cornman Systems Programmer Academic Computing Services – EKU
Response:
: How much would a total meltdown raise sea level? I remember reading somewhere when the global warming hysteria first broke out, another theory chasing data, that if all the water in the poles melted, that mean sea level would rise something between 15 and 30 feet. Let’s say say 10 times as much, 300 feet, just to prove a point. Now, class, how high is Mount Everest? 37,000 feet? Gooood answer. Now, class, for simpicity’s sake, how many cities over 5000 feet with over 1,000,000 in population can you name? I’ll give you a hint. The biggest one is Mexico City, pop 17 million… Class, can you say "inumerate"? I knew you could… Mr. Kostner, put your nose back in the corner. I didn’t say you could turn around yet… I can imagine the first sentence of the the WW script conference now. "Let’s assume that *global warming* has happened — I mean, it’s going to happen sooner or later — and the *whole* *world* is under water." Living proof you don’t need brains to make lots of money in show biz. Cheers, Bob Hettinga — Shipwright Development Corporation someone who eats too little 44 Farquhar Street and sees Heaven and someone Boston, MA 02331 USA who drinks too much and sees (617) 323-7923 snakes." — Bertrand Russell
Response:
I was especially impressed that this fellow could hand-sew sails that had shapes like brand new ones from the 3DL factory. "The Mariner" indeed! Speaking of sails: Did anyone notice a problem in the "kite-flying" scene?? -j- –Who *is* this guy?!: — ftp://mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu/pub/icyra/www/jay.html — Why do people in ship mutinies always ask for "better treatment"? I’d — ask for a pinball machine, because with all that rocking back and — forth you’d probably be able to get a lot of free games. I’d like to — be buried Indian-style, where they put you up on a high rack, above — the ground. That way, you could get hit by meteorites and not even — feel it.
Response:
Actually, it was driven by Randy Smythe, a world champion multi-hull sailor out of Fort Walton, Florida. He said it was pretty wild talking to the rest of the crew (down below) by intercom, and driving by joystick. He did say that by the time they got Kevin Costner down from the rig, he was pretty green. It turns out they kept wanting to re-shoot the scene as it got really rough. Mike Krantz
Response:
Jenneau has built several of the most awesome racing multihulls around and according to the French multihull mag. the sailing in the film is actually done from below-deck (joy-stick, closed circuit tv etc) by someone from Jenneau.
There were actually two 60′ tri’s built for the film. One was setup as the sailing version with the trick boom under the deck, and the other had the prop in the rig. The scene with Costner on the spreaders was sailed by Randy Smyth in the bow steering. Sailtrim was done with radios to the back of the boat. Apparently the Jenneau folks did not like the setup of that scene. It got pretty windy and Costner got beat up abit up the mast. <I guess thats what you get for doing your own stunts 8-)*
Response:
-= Quoting Eramasc to All <=- Sometimes the boat is moving exceptionally fast, yet the water is quite calm wind wise…where’s the strong wind making the boat move *that* fast? Obviously a tow or motor job. Er I havn’t seen the film so I don’t know how unrealisticly fast she Er moves but I have seen real 60′ racing tris do 20 knots (average) in 11 Er knots of wind under main and jib only (no spi, no drifter, no genoa). I just returned from seeing the film this evening. Overall quite entertaining. The special effects were for the most part exceptionally well done. In a few of the shots of the trimaran, there was definately a good breeze blowing, evidenced by the spray on the wave tops. It is important to realize that some of these shots were filmed from a helicopter at a good distance, and the use of a telephoto lens will "flatten" the seas, giving them the appearance of being more calm than they are. In another scene, with the actors (Costner, Tripplehorn, and the child) all onboard, the trimaran appears to be moving quite fast (to the displeasure of the ’smokers’) but in actuality it was probably not even moving, quite likely it was not even in the water. Jeff in Annapolis ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
Response:
I’m not a sailor, I noticed it too. He wasn’t even looking, just knew it would be there. I thought the transmormation from sit-still to kick-ass was impressive. It happend too fast though, leading one to believe it was more trick that treat. That’s ok though. Well, it would be possible to build a vessel that was rigged to self rig like the boat in waterworld. I *very* much liked the interesting transition from the wind generator to sailing mode. However, it’s probably not very realistic.
Quick comment: I visited the MCA/Universal Web page and it claims that the transformation is from "trawling" mode to "escape/attack" mode. I was thinking wind generator too, but couldn’t resolve it with a later scene in the movie in which Helen hands a crayon to Mariner and she reahes over a small spinning propeller/fan blade that appears much more like a wind generator. I wonder how long that single 12v battery they show driving the big trawling blades around the mast will run? :) BTW, I’d love to get more info on the actual boat Jenneau built for the movie. Does anyone know where I can get this info?
Response:
:: How much would a total meltdown raise sea level? : :I remember reading somewhere when the global warming hysteria first broke 
ut, another theory chasing data, that if all the water in the poles :melted, that mean sea level would rise something between 15 and 30 feet. : :Class, can you say "inumerate"? I knew you could… Mr. Kostner, put your :nose back in the corner. I didn’t say you could turn around yet… can you say "suspension of disbelief". Would you all feel better if they ran "a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away…" in the opening credits? <g — george
Response:
: : How much would a total meltdown raise sea level? : I remember reading somewhere when the global warming hysteria first broke : out, another theory chasing data, that if all the water in the poles : melted, that mean sea level would rise something between 15 and 30 feet. : Let’s say say 10 times as much, 300 feet, just to prove a point. Now, : class, how high is Mount Everest? 37,000 feet? Gooood answer. Well, not such a good answer. I would have thought that 29000 ft would have been a much better answer. I admit that, for the sake of pointing out movie incongruencies, it’s academic. : Now, class, for simpicity’s sake, how many cities over 5000 feet with over : 1,000,000 in population can you name? I’ll give you a hint. The biggest : one is Mexico City, pop 17 million… : Class, can you say "inumerate"? I knew you could… Mr. Kostner, put your : nose back in the corner. I didn’t say you could turn around yet… Class, can you spell "innumerate"? 
Department of Computer Science Oregon State University "Intelligences vast and cool and unsympathetic watched our world with envious eyes … and made their plans." -H.G. Wells
Response:
:I seem to remember that the land was to the south, but no one thought :to sail that way. Dont you think the last bit of land would be where Tibet used to be? — george
Response:
: The : biggest technical flaw was the planet — a water-planet would have : persistant, unstoppable hurricanes (like sailing on Jupiter), instead of : flat water with perfect breezes. That and the fact that the polar caps don’t have enough ice to flood the planet. But, facts haven’t stopped the esteemed Mr. Kostner before (Dances, JFK). Maybe this is his version of Magic Realism? Maybe it’s just philistine technophobia, inumeracy and ignorance, more like. Hey, it’s show biz! Cheers, Bob Hettinga — Shipwright Development Corporation someone who eats too little 44 Farquhar Street and sees Heaven and someone Boston, MA 02331 USA who drinks too much and sees (617) 323-7923 snakes." — Bertrand Russell
Response:
I just caught the film myself and throughly enjoyed it! It is a sailor’s fantasy movie on a grand scale. Imagine a $200 million dollar movie where the sailor is the only good guy and all the power boaters (the "smokers") are the bad guys! And the sailor outruns and (finally) beats them all! My God, how did they come up with this??? A sailor taking out countless belching power boats and jet skis. What a movie! Technical flaws? Far too many to count! Hoky story line? The absolute worst! Predictable? Practically every single moment! The acting? Don’t even ask! The sails on his boat? In about the same condition as mine! The above notwithstanding, it was a total trip! I cannot imagine a sailor who does not see this on the big screen and enjoy it!
Mad Max doesn’t take well to water, but… The movie played on a couple of great divisions (PWC’s and powerboats against the sailors, smokers/fuel-burners against the greenies etc.) The biggest technical flaw was the planet — a water-planet would have persistant, unstoppable hurricanes (like sailing on Jupiter), instead of flat water with perfect breezes. And if there was no land for plants, just *what* did they use as fuel for their bar-B-que of monster fish (and where did all those fresh cigarettes come from)? Great fun, and if they raffle off the tri’s to pay for the losses I’m first in line! Scott
Response:
I have only one question about that. How do you use full battens with a telescoping boom?
Telescoping battens, of course! I was especially impressed that this fellow could hand-sew sails that had shapes like brand new ones from the 3DL factory. "The Mariner" indeed! — Sailing in Seattle: http://www.eskimo.com/~timf
Response:
I’m not a sailor, I noticed it too. He wasn’t even looking, just knew it would be there. I thought the transmormation from sit-still to kick-ass was impressive. It happend too fast though, leading one to believe it was more trick that treat. That’s ok though.
Well, it would be possible to build a vessel that was rigged to self rig like the boat in waterworld. I *very* much liked the interesting transition from the wind generator to sailing mode. However, it’s probably not very realistic. Caveats: There is no way in hell a boat like that could have survived a few hundred years of floating around on waterworld. I doubt it would have been able to withstand a serious blow. Anything over 50kts would have blown that boat into kindling. Sometimes the boat is moving exceptionally fast, yet the water is quite calm wind wise…where’s the strong wind making the boat move *that* fast? Obviously a tow or motor job. When the plane is flying around the boat, physically attached to the boat, the boat hardly rocks. A trimaran is very stable, but this is ridiculous. Blah blah..blah blah…it’s a movie, not a sailing video. – Geoff
Response:
Jenneau has built several of the most awesome racing multihulls around and according to the French multihull mag. the sailing in the film is actually done from below-deck (joy-stick, closed circuit tv etc) by someone from Jenneau.
Actually, one of our locals was the man with the joystick–Randy Smythe, the well-known racer. He told a pretty amazing story to a reporter from the local paper, all about Costner shackled to the masthead in a rising gale, snapping like a pennant in the breeze. I wish I’d saved the story, so I could give you the details. Ray
Response:
Sometimes the boat is moving exceptionally fast, yet the water is quite calm wind wise…where’s the strong wind making the boat move *that* fast? Obviously a tow or motor job.
I havn’t seen the film so I don’t know how unrealisticly fast she moves but I have seen real 60′ racing tris do 20 knots (average) in 11 knots of wind under main and jib only (no spi, no drifter, no genoa). Cheers, "Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back" Piet Hein
Response:
Went to see Waterworld over the weekend, and I got a real kick out of it. The lead characther (Kevin Costner) has a radical trimaran with some really neat features like sails deployed by dropping weights on the other end of the halyard. There were obviously some sailors involved in the movie – I got a lot of kicks out of little things that non-sailors might miss. For example, in one scene, out of the blue, he ducks as the boom jibes. It only happened for a
I’m not a sailor, I noticed it too. He wasn’t even looking, just knew it would be there. I thought the transmormation from sit-still to kick-ass was impressive. It happend too fast though, leading one to believe it was more trick that treat. That’s ok though. moment, and they didn’t focus on it. It was great. On the other hand there is a lot about the sailing that is unrealistic – the greatest thing being that there are never any seas to speak of. But the whole movie is an unrealistic fantasy, so I can’t criticize the few things about the sailing that didn’t seem right. This movie may not have the great sailing scenes of Wind, but it gives the viewer a much greater sense of the spirit of sailing. It probably gives some sense of the spirit of PWCing also, but I won’t get into that.
How many were there in that company front… 15 or 20? they were packed close together and when vied from above appeared to leave a huge (wide) wake. dsc Dudley Cornman Systems Programmer Academic Computing Services – EKU
Response:
BTW – I almost forgot… try to catch Making of Waterworld on tv. Probably the Sci-Fi channel or A&E. Pretty neat stuff. dsc Dudley Cornman Systems Programmer Academic Computing Services – EKU
Response:
Went to see Waterworld over the weekend, and I got a real kick out of it. The lead characther (Kevin Costner) has a radical trimaran with some really neat features like sails deployed by dropping weights on the other end of the halyard. There were obviously some sailors involved in the movie – I got a lot of kicks out of little things that non-sailors might miss. For example, in one scene, out of the blue, he ducks as the boom jibes. It only happened for a moment, and they didn’t focus on it. It was great. That was priceless! I went to see it with a sailor friend, and we both caught it. He did it instinctually, while concentrating on something off inthe distance. I wonder how many times Costner took the boom to the head for that shot… On the other hand there is a lot about the sailing that is unrealistic – the greatest thing being that there are never any seas to speak of. But the whole movie is an unrealistic fantasy, so I can’t criticize the few things about the sailing that didn’t seem right. I didn’t understand how sailboats (even the rinky-dink one in the beginning) could routinely outrun PWCs. Am I missing something? This movie may not have the great sailing scenes of Wind, but it gives the viewer a much greater sense of the spirit of sailing. It probably gives some sense of the spirit of PWCing also, but I won’t get into that. BWAAAAHAHAAHAHAHA, the director was *definitely* a sailor… -j- –Who *is* this guy?!: — ftp://mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu/pub/icyra/www/jay.html — Coincidences are spiritual puns. — — G. K. Chesterton
Response:
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : The : lead characther (Kevin Costner) has a radical trimaran with some really neat : features like sails deployed by dropping weights on the other end of the : halyard. I have only one question about that. How do you use full battens with a telescoping boom? That, and the fact that the tri was designed by luxo-barge maker Jenneau, killed the whole movie for me… 
, for the humor impaired… Cheers, Bob Hettinga
Jenneau has built several of the most awesome racing multihulls around and according to the French multihull mag. the sailing in the film is actually done from below-deck (joy-stick, closed circuit tv etc) by someone from Jenneau. Cheers, "Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back" Piet Hein
Response:
Went to see Waterworld over the weekend, and I got a real kick out of it. The lead characther (Kevin Costner) has a radical trimaran with some really neat features like sails deployed by dropping weights on the other end of the halyard. There were obviously some sailors involved in the movie – I got a lot of kicks out of little things that non-sailors might miss. For example, in one scene, out of the blue, he ducks as the boom jibes. It only happened for a moment, and they didn’t focus on it. It was great. On the other hand there is a lot about the sailing that is unrealistic – the greatest thing being that there are never any seas to speak of. But the whole movie is an unrealistic fantasy, so I can’t criticize the few things about the sailing that didn’t seem right. This movie may not have the great sailing scenes of Wind, but it gives the viewer a much greater sense of the spirit of sailing. It probably gives some sense of the spirit of PWCing also, but I won’t get into that. Later, Dan Mckibben on Wachusett somewhere in NJ
Response:
: The : lead characther (Kevin Costner) has a radical trimaran with some really neat : features like sails deployed by dropping weights on the other end of the : halyard. I have only one question about that. How do you use full battens with a telescoping boom? That, and the fact that the tri was designed by luxo-barge maker Jenneau, killed the whole movie for me… , for the humor impaired… Cheers, Bob Hettinga — Shipwright Development Corporation someone who eats too little 44 Farquhar Street and sees Heaven and someone Boston, MA 02331 USA who drinks too much and sees (617) 323-7923 snakes." — Bertrand Russell
Response:
Related Posts
- Bisexuals are disgusting
- men: get unwanted attention when shirtless?
- Academy Kids Management and questions about child managers
- Home schooling pros vs cons?
- Letter to the President Bush, from Bette Midler...
- SAG Departures
- When will the fat lady sing?
- OT: Boycott the Celebrities? Naw!
- ADV: Aesop's Fables & the Rules of Engagement
- Reminder -- don't leave your orts out for the birds!