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OT:Bonus Question of the day…. 08/15/07

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::If a fan of ER, who is your favorite character? George Clooney, Anthony Edwards and the actress that plays Abby. Jackie ~*~Sit and daydream, and watch the changing color of the waves that break upon the idle seashore of the mind~*~ ~~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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It was George long ago. He is gone now.

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08/15/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own mystery poster If a fan of ER, who is your favorite character?

I have two: Paul McCrane who played Dr. Robert "Rocket" Romano and Alex Kingston who played Dr. Elizabeth Corday. They both did terrific acting jobs; altho I suspect that "Rocket" may have not been acting all that much.

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08/15/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own mystery poster If a fan of ER, who is your favorite character? Jackie ~*~We are more often frightened than hurt; and we suffer more from imagination than from reality~*~ ~Seneca — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Abby Lockhart and I also liked Dr. Greene from the past cast smiles, Elise

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ASAPM founded date?

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I’m a Sci-Fi fan, myself. Mostly books, but some of the movies are watchable. "Forbidden Planet", which you mention elsewhere was probably the first "serious" Sci-Fi movie and IMO, well done for it’s time. there were many from the 50’s most hinging on mutant ants, or crawling eye balls and things as well as the day the earth stood still a favorite of mine-body snatchers just hit me, that too was a good one Yep, lots of movies but most with thin plots and visible zippers in the rubber suits :) Ed wood would have been proud.

(grin) Often true, but let’s not forget Serling’s excellence in Zone. Some other greats from the era were "The Thing From Another World" and George Pal’s version of "War of the Worlds." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Contact" was good, I thought it followed the book reasonably well, although it placed emphasis in slightly different areas. I found it boring, I expected a more substantive conclusion or somethng more tangible I’d really like to see movies made of Arthur C. Clarke’s, "Rendezvous With Rama" (but only the first book) and of Niven/Pournelle’s, "Mote In God’s Eye". Only by someone who loves them though. :) My pet beef is horror movies called "Sci-Fi" because they are set in space or in the future. Although I did think "Aliens" was a good movie, it lacks the things I want to see in a Sci-Fi. I like all good films-most horror is gore based, so it becomes a blood fest-good horror plays with ones mind a bit so it is plenty fun I like different types of movies, too. I’m afraid my tendency to categorize things is coming through though. Sci-Fi is here, horror there. LOL I’m not much on blood and guts. Although as a kid I wondered why they didn’t show any, now I wish they’d show less. :)

The films are sometimes hard to categorize. Sci-Fi often overlaps with Horror. In video stores, I’ve been surprized to find some Sci-Fi films in the Horror section, and other’s in the Children’s/Disney section. Some films get put in a Midnight/Adult section simply for having suggestive or kinky moments. Let’s see … obscure … OK, I can’t remember a quote, but which movie had a "Friday" in it? the one where the fellow was stranded on Mars, with a "Friday" a slave who escaped from another planet-forget the name of the movie-mid 60’s I think Ah, not bad at all, but Arthur gets the prize for naming it. I can see someone was watching late night TV. :) Or did you see that one in a theater?

I feel privilaged to say that I first saw "Robinson Crusoe on Mars" at a classic drive-in theater with my parents as a kid. Of course, I later watched it on late night TV a few times. It’s been on in the past year, I think Turner Classic Movies?

Turner Classic Movies (TCM) does show classic Sci-Fi about one afternoon a month, but I haven’t seen TCM show Robinson Crusoe on Mars, yet they have shown many other Sci-Fi classics to their credit. I did see Crusoe on American Movie Classics (AMC) a few times over the last couple years. I wish that the Sci-Fi Channel would show classics more often (rather than a lot of the modern tripe they’ve been showing). Best and Stellar Wishes, Arthur — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a Sci-Fi fan, myself. Mostly books, but some of the movies are watchable. "Forbidden Planet", which you mention elsewhere was probably the first "serious" Sci-Fi movie and IMO, well done for it’s time. there were many from the 50’s most hinging on mutant ants, or crawling eye balls and things as well as the day the earth stood still a favorite of mine-body snatchers just hit me, that too was a good one Yep, lots of movies but most with thin plots and visible zippers in the rubber suits :) Ed wood would have been proud.

some of those B rated flicks have become quite campy-one oldie where the sand open up and people get smoe kind of zombified implant in their heads comes to mind-it starts off with a kid seeing a flying saucer landing in the sandy area near his house-it ends with him actually having dreamt the whole thing and then of course the "O’Henry" switch is he sees the flying saucer really landing-forget the name of it-Rocky Horror Show is another-people dress up and throw rice at Susan Sarandon for krips sake! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Contact" was good, I thought it followed the book reasonably well, although it placed emphasis in slightly different areas. I found it boring, I expected a more substantive conclusion or somethng more tangible I’d really like to see movies made of Arthur C. Clarke’s, "Rendezvous With Rama" (but only the first book) and of Niven/Pournelle’s, "Mote In God’s Eye". Only by someone who loves them though. :) My pet beef is horror movies called "Sci-Fi" because they are set in space or in the future. Although I did think "Aliens" was a good movie, it lacks the things I want to see in a Sci-Fi. I like all good films-most horror is gore based, so it becomes a blood fest-good horror plays with ones mind a bit so it is plenty fun I like different types of movies, too. I’m afraid my tendency to categorize things is coming through though. Sci-Fi is here, horror there. LOL

I prefer to view films as good ones or crap ones-it matters little to me what its actual genre is-I like so many of them-mostly oldies-thin man movies, the whole detective stuff, good sci fi or horror, comedy, Disney etc… I would have loved being a critc-what a way to make a living. I’m not much on blood and guts. Although as a kid I wondered why they didn’t show any, now I wish they’d show less. :) Let’s see … obscure … OK, I can’t remember a quote, but which movie had a "Friday" in it? the one where the fellow was stranded on Mars, with a "Friday" a slave who escaped from another planet-forget the name of the movie-mid 60’s I think Ah, not bad at all, but Arthur gets the prize for naming it.

I was plagued by the film for about a half hour after posting and while seeing a client the name Mona came to me-(the monkey) and of course the original Friday of Robinson Caruso and then the synapse fired and the name came to me-too late to post it and then when reading the group later on Arthur had hit the Jeapordy button quickly I can see someone was watching late night TV. :) Or did you see that one in a theater? It’s been on in the past year, I think Turner Classic Movies?

I saw it in the movies and then maybe once on the tube -most of the oldie sci fi stuff was generously played on "million Dollar movie" for the week, plus I had a nephew who liked sci fi, we partook shows often back then-now he is a sound man for the biz tnx, drr — The second nicest guy on the internet For a copy of the ASAPM FAQs please e-mail me at

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I always think of the 100+? year old VW Beetle that starts right up! Well and of course the actual passing of the ball!!

Don’t forget: "Are there any wierd and futuristic creatures around here, like with the body of a crab and the head of a social worker?" "Woff! Woff! Hello, I’m Rags." Best and Stellar Wishes, Arthur — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Don’t worry, I know the feeling. I try to act casual, but I must admit checking my notes.

I must admit I did remember some partial quotes and took a quick look to see if they showed up on imdb.com to make sure I had them correct. The few I "remembered" weren’t listed though. But I do recall they used that quote in "Contact". Correct!!! I’m impressed.

Ah, I have it on DVD. :) Now if I could only remember where I first heard it. It sounds Asimov-ish. I’m not expert enough to say whether or not Asimov said it or like things. Regarding Asimov, I mostly remember his rules of robotics.

Asimov was intelligent, but it came with an even bigger ego. :) Welllll, not as big as L. Ron Hubbards and at least Asimov had a sense of humor about it. I’m a Sci-Fi fan, myself. Mostly books, but some of the movies are watchable. "Forbidden Planet", which you mention elsewhere was probably the first "serious" Sci-Fi movie and IMO, well done for it’s time. Let’s not forget Fritz Lang’s "Metropolis" and "Frau im Mond." And H. G. Wells involvement with "Things to Come." And, of course, the early films of George Melles (sp?) who suffered poverty because his films were copied and distributed by Thomas Edison (who became rich).

I must admit that I’ve never cared for silent films. I don’t care for the acting style, so I’ve never seen "Metropolis". I haven’t heard of "Frau im Mond". Woman in World? "Things to Come" wasn’t bad and maybe thought of seriously by the movie studio. I must admit my comment was about the movie studio putting time and money into a movie. Mabye some of the authors were serious, but the previous (and many later) Sci-Fi I can remember were all of the cheap and quick versions. My pet beef is horror movies called "Sci-Fi" because they are set in space or in the future. Although I did think "Aliens" was a good movie, it lacks the things I want to see in a Sci-Fi. (grin) The Alien films have been a feature in private e-mails recently. I like to refer to them as the "sacred quadrilogy" (out of appreciation for Geiger’s art and, later, for simply being strange; a quality I like in Sci-Fi).

If it’s sacred, then I’ll find something else to discuss :P Seriously, I like Sci-Fi for the ideas. I do watch movies for the fun of it, too, and I’m afraid that "Alien(s)" is one of those I just like to watch. One of the worst things ever put into production was a show called, "Starlost". Yet I bought the VHS tapes just because the idea stimulates my imagination. Took me a while to find someone selling the shows not officially sold. It was started as a grand project for TV and would be written by many of the big names in Sci-Fi. Sadly, most of the promises weren’t kept and it was done so badly that most of the writers jumped ship and even Harlan Ellison, who had the grand idea, insisted they use a pen name for his invovement. Let’s see … obscure … OK, I can’t remember a quote, but which movie had a "Friday" in it? "Robinson Crusoe on Mars!" One of my all time nostalgic favorites. The film is not available on DVD through legit channels, but a friend got me a special copy.

You win the prize! Margrove gets honorable mention for remembering the movie at all. :) Of course, I’m not entirely spoiled. Another nostalgic favorite of mine is "Quatermas and the Pit" and I spent an embarassing sum for that DVD.

Hmmm, I’m not sure I’ve seen that one, although it seems to ring a bell faintly. Here’s a quote challenge for you, perhaps too easy… "Gort. Klatu barada necto." Best Wishes, Arthur

Ah, I was trying to remember something a bit more obscure from "The Day the Earth Stood Sill", but yah, it seemed too obvious for a Sci-Fi fan. Do you remember one where some aliens came to earth, gave each or some of the nations a capsule which they weren’t to open until some specified time? A few tried to open them with disastrous results. In the end I think the capsules turned out to be something like, "peace on earth" or something. I haven’t seen it in decades and for some reason I want to watch it. I’ll probably wonder why once I see it again. :) I think one of my favorite movies to watch over and over is "The Fifth Element". As Sci-Fi, it’s wellllll, more like "Die Hard in the 25th Century". :) But the timing in that movie is incredible. I almost watch it for that alone. No quotes from me today. I just can’t remember any. :( I won’t bother with, "Get your hands off me, you damn dirty ape". LOL I guess I can remember one. tnx, drr — The second nicest guy on the internet For a copy of the ASAPM FAQs please e-mail me at — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ::Oh, and a follow-up Sci-Fi quote challenge… Here’s mine ) I can’t believe it i’m surrounded by assholes. -Dark Helmet May the Schwartz be with you. -Yogurt To join Princess Vespa and Princess Valium. -Minister Jackie ~*~No matter where you go or what you do, you live your entire life within the confines of your head~*~ - Terry Josephson space balls by Mel Brooks

I always think of the 100+? year old VW Beetle that starts right up! Well and of course the actual passing of the ball!! Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, and a follow-up Sci-Fi quote challenge… "If it were just us, it would seem an awful waste of space." Best Wishes, Arthur Hi Arthur, I’m afraid I’ll not do well with this :) My memory is horrible. The 2001/2010 quote was the only one I could remember offhand. But I do recall they used that quote in "Contact". Now if I could only remember where I first heard it. It sounds Asimov-ish. I’m a Sci-Fi fan, myself. Mostly books, but some of the movies are watchable. "Forbidden Planet", which you mention elsewhere was probably the first "serious" Sci-Fi movie and IMO, well done for it’s time. there were many from the 50’s most hinging on mutant ants, or crawling eye balls and things as well as the day the earth stood still a favorite of mine-body snatchers just hit me, that too was a good one

Not from outer space, but Creature From the Black Lagoon!! Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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the one where the fellow was stranded on Mars, with a "Friday" a slave who escaped from another planet-forget the name of the movie-mid 60’s I think

(grin) "Robinson Crusoe on Mars" (1964). Nice to know I’m not alone in this respect. I still remember watching that film as a kid at an out-door drive-in theater with my parents. Nice memory. Soon after was "Planet of the Apes" (1968). People often forget that Rod Serling, of "Twilight Zone" fame, was very influencial in the script of Planet of the Apes, and then there was also the great music score by Goldsmith! Best Wishes, Arthur — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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:: ~*~No matter where you go or what you do, you live your entire :: life within the confines of your head~*~ :: ::Very true, at least in my case. Mine too! I’m trapped there Jackie ~*~No matter where you go or what you do, you live your entire life within the confines of your head~*~ – Terry Josephson — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Yep, lots of movies but most with thin plots and visible zippers in the rubber suits :) Ed wood would have been proud. "Contact" was good, I thought it followed the book reasonably well, although it placed emphasis in slightly different areas. I found it boring, I expected a more substantive conclusion or somethng more tangible I’d really like to see movies made of Arthur C. Clarke’s, "Rendezvous With Rama" (but only the first book) and of Niven/Pournelle’s, "Mote In God’s Eye". Only by someone who loves them though. :) My pet beef is horror movies called "Sci-Fi" because they are set in space or in the future. Although I did think "Aliens" was a good movie, it lacks the things I want to see in a Sci-Fi. I like all good films-most horror is gore based, so it becomes a blood fest-good horror plays with ones mind a bit so it is plenty fun

I like different types of movies, too. I’m afraid my tendency to categorize things is coming through though. Sci-Fi is here, horror there. LOL I’m not much on blood and guts. Although as a kid I wondered why they didn’t show any, now I wish they’d show less. :) Let’s see … obscure … OK, I can’t remember a quote, but which movie had a "Friday" in it? the one where the fellow was stranded on Mars, with a "Friday" a slave who escaped from another planet-forget the name of the movie-mid 60’s I think

Ah, not bad at all, but Arthur gets the prize for naming it. I can see someone was watching late night TV. :) Or did you see that one in a theater? It’s been on in the past year, I think Turner Classic Movies? tnx, drr — The second nicest guy on the internet For a copy of the ASAPM FAQs please e-mail me at — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi Folks, Could someone please remind me of the official date ASAPM was founded? Best Wishes, Arthur

I found it in the Autumn of 2004! — _TJ_

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Hi Folks, Could someone please remind me of the official date ASAPM was founded? Best Wishes, Arthur Hi Arthur, Finally, a question I can answer. :)

LOL! ASAPM went "live" on April 16, 2003.

Many thanks Dan! tnx, drr "My god, it’s full of stars" :)

Oh, that’s an easy one for a Sci-Fi film junkie like me. The quote is from "2010: The Year We Make Contact." Naturally, it couldn’t stand up to the high standard set by Kubrick and Clarke in "2001," but it still had some very nice and cool moments (Europa encounter, the aerobraking maneuver through the upper atmosphere of Jupiter, rendezvous with the spacecraft Discovery over Io). Anyone who enjoyed 2010 would get a big kick out of the BBC production "Voyage to the Planets and Beyond." Both emphasize drama a bit too much, but have a similar sense of wonder and adventure. Thanks again. Best Wishes, Arthur — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi Folks, Could someone please remind me of the official date ASAPM was founded? Best Wishes, Arthur I found it in the Autumn of 2004!

Thanks for the feedback TJ! Best Wishes, Arthur — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "My god, it’s full of stars" :) Oh, that’s an easy one for a Sci-Fi film junkie like me. The quote is from "2010: The Year We Make Contact." Naturally, it couldn’t stand up to the high standard set by Kubrick and Clarke in "2001," but it still had some very nice and cool moments (Europa encounter, the aerobraking maneuver through the upper atmosphere of Jupiter, rendezvous with the spacecraft Discovery over Io). Anyone who enjoyed 2010 would get a big kick out of the BBC production "Voyage to the Planets and Beyond." Both emphasize drama a bit too much, but have a similar sense of wonder and adventure.

Oh, and a follow-up Sci-Fi quote challenge… "If it were just us, it would seem an awful waste of space." Best Wishes, Arthur — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi Folks, Could someone please remind me of the official date ASAPM was founded? Best Wishes, Arthur — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi Folks, Could someone please remind me of the official date ASAPM was founded? Best Wishes, Arthur

Hi Arthur, Finally, a question I can answer. :) ASAPM went "live" on April 16, 2003. tnx, drr "My god, it’s full of stars" :) — The second nicest guy on the internet For a copy of the ASAPM FAQs please e-mail me at — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Oh, and a follow-up Sci-Fi quote challenge… Here’s mine ) I can’t believe it i’m surrounded by assholes. -Dark Helmet May the Schwartz be with you. -Yogurt To join Princess Vespa and Princess Valium. -Minister Jackie ~*~No matter where you go or what you do, you live your entire life within the confines of your head~*~ – Terry Josephson — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Oh, and a follow-up Sci-Fi quote challenge… "If it were just us, it would seem an awful waste of space." Best Wishes, Arthur Hi Arthur, I’m afraid I’ll not do well with this :) My memory is horrible. The 2001/2010 quote was the only one I could remember offhand.

Don’t worry, I know the feeling. I try to act casual, but I must admit checking my notes. But I do recall they used that quote in "Contact".

Correct!!! I’m impressed. Now if I could only remember where I first heard it. It sounds Asimov-ish.

I’m not expert enough to say whether or not Asimov said it or like things. Regarding Asimov, I mostly remember his rules of robotics. I’m a Sci-Fi fan, myself. Mostly books, but some of the movies are watchable. "Forbidden Planet", which you mention elsewhere was probably the first "serious" Sci-Fi movie and IMO, well done for it’s time.

Let’s not forget Fritz Lang’s "Metropolis" and "Frau im Mond." And H. G. Wells involvement with "Things to Come." And, of course, the early films of George Melles (sp?) who suffered poverty because his films were copied and distributed by Thomas Edison (who became rich). "Contact" was good, I thought it followed the book reasonably well, although it placed emphasis in slightly different areas.

I must admit not reading the book, but Carl Sagan was a big influence on me nonetheless. I’d really like to see movies made of Arthur C. Clarke’s, "Rendezvous With Rama" (but only the first book)

I do remember reading Rama in my teens. and of Niven/Pournelle’s, "Mote In God’s Eye".

I remember starting to read that in my teens, but confess I got distracted by Astronomy Magazine at the time (lots of Voyager photos back then). Only by someone who loves them though. :)

The passion is important. My pet beef is horror movies called "Sci-Fi" because they are set in space or in the future. Although I did think "Aliens" was a good movie, it lacks the things I want to see in a Sci-Fi.

(grin) The Alien films have been a feature in private e-mails recently. I like to refer to them as the "sacred quadrilogy" (out of appreciation for Geiger’s art and, later, for simply being strange; a quality I like in Sci-Fi). Let’s see … obscure … OK, I can’t remember a quote, but which movie had a "Friday" in it?

"Robinson Crusoe on Mars!" One of my all time nostalgic favorites. The film is not available on DVD through legit channels, but a friend got me a special copy. Of course, I’m not entirely spoiled. Another nostalgic favorite of mine is "Quatermas and the Pit" and I spent an embarassing sum for that DVD. Here’s a quote challenge for you, perhaps too easy… "Gort. Klatu barada necto." Best Wishes, Arthur — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ::Oh, and a follow-up Sci-Fi quote challenge… Here’s mine ) I can’t believe it i’m surrounded by assholes. -Dark Helmet May the Schwartz be with you. -Yogurt To join Princess Vespa and Princess Valium. -Minister Jackie

Nice "Space Balls" quotes Jackie! LOL! You really must watch "Dark Star" (very silly and funny, despite the fact that it’s creators went on to make "Alien" a few years later). ~*~No matter where you go or what you do, you live your entire life within the confines of your head~*~

Very true, at least in my case. Best Wishes, Arthur — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi Folks, Could someone please remind me of the official date ASAPM was founded? Best Wishes, Arthur I found it in the Autumn of 2004!

Wow, where did you founded it? I must have left it lying around again… — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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space balls by Mel Brooks — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, and a follow-up Sci-Fi quote challenge… "If it were just us, it would seem an awful waste of space." Best Wishes, Arthur Hi Arthur, I’m afraid I’ll not do well with this :) My memory is horrible. The 2001/2010 quote was the only one I could remember offhand. But I do recall they used that quote in "Contact". Now if I could only remember where I first heard it. It sounds Asimov-ish. I’m a Sci-Fi fan, myself. Mostly books, but some of the movies are watchable. "Forbidden Planet", which you mention elsewhere was probably the first "serious" Sci-Fi movie and IMO, well done for it’s time.

there were many from the 50’s most hinging on mutant ants, or crawling eye balls and things as well as the day the earth stood still a favorite of mine-body snatchers just hit me, that too was a good one "Contact" was good, I thought it followed the book reasonably well, although it placed emphasis in slightly different areas. I found it boring, I expected a more substantive conclusion or somethng more tangible I’d really like to see movies made of Arthur C. Clarke’s, "Rendezvous With Rama" (but only the first book) and of Niven/Pournelle’s, "Mote In God’s Eye". Only by someone who loves them though. :) My pet beef is horror movies called "Sci-Fi" because they are set in space or in the future. Although I did think "Aliens" was a good movie, it lacks the things I want to see in a Sci-Fi.

I like all good films-most horror is gore based, so it becomes a blood fest-good horror plays with ones mind a bit so it is plenty fun Let’s see … obscure … OK, I can’t remember a quote, but which movie had a "Friday" in it?

the one where the fellow was stranded on Mars, with a "Friday" a slave who escaped from another planet-forget the name of the movie-mid 60’s I think tnx, drr — The second nicest guy on the internet For a copy of the ASAPM FAQs please e-mail me at

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Oh, and a follow-up Sci-Fi quote challenge… "If it were just us, it would seem an awful waste of space." Best Wishes, Arthur

Hi Arthur, I’m afraid I’ll not do well with this :) My memory is horrible. The 2001/2010 quote was the only one I could remember offhand. But I do recall they used that quote in "Contact". Now if I could only remember where I first heard it. It sounds Asimov-ish. I’m a Sci-Fi fan, myself. Mostly books, but some of the movies are watchable. "Forbidden Planet", which you mention elsewhere was probably the first "serious" Sci-Fi movie and IMO, well done for it’s time. "Contact" was good, I thought it followed the book reasonably well, although it placed emphasis in slightly different areas. I’d really like to see movies made of Arthur C. Clarke’s, "Rendezvous With Rama" (but only the first book) and of Niven/Pournelle’s, "Mote In God’s Eye". Only by someone who loves them though. :) My pet beef is horror movies called "Sci-Fi" because they are set in space or in the future. Although I did think "Aliens" was a good movie, it lacks the things I want to see in a Sci-Fi. Let’s see … obscure … OK, I can’t remember a quote, but which movie had a "Friday" in it? tnx, drr — The second nicest guy on the internet For a copy of the ASAPM FAQs please e-mail me at — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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OT unofficial question of the day – Feb 3

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Hi, Chip, I’ve seen "The Illusionist" – good movie. "The Devil Wears Prada" – very good. Both well worth watching… smiles, Elise

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me too kili Carl

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Saw 1 rocked. Did not enjoy Saw 2, but loved Saw 3.. Carl

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10 types of Stinkin' Thinkin'….by David Burns <01/30/07>

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by David Burns, M.D. January 20, 2006 Thank you for posting this supportive information! Every one can benefit from hearing excellent thoughts and advice. Why is it poor habits are so much easier to "fall into" than positive ones? Tom

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::Thank you for posting this supportive information! :: ::Every one can benefit from hearing excellent thoughts and advice. You are very welcome ::Why is it poor habits are so much easier to "fall into" than positive ones? I think it may be that it takes time, patience and effort to cultivate positive habits. I can only speak for myself, but sometimes it just seems like too much work .

OT….Question of the day! 01/30/07

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Ever been fired from a job?

Yes, a number of times. A most unpleasant experience. Especially hard on the male ego. Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Yes

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01/30/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own Cathy Ever been fired from a job?

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Hi, Simon, I’m sorry you had to go through this and especially twice. The pressure can get stressful at times. I truly understand… smiles, Elise

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Hi, Simon, I don’t think discharging you for Panic Disorder would fly today. In the US, the company you work for must make "reasonable accommodations" for persons with disabilities under the Americans with Disabilities Act. smiles, Elise – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Twice from the same job. There was no Disability Discrimination Act in place then so I had to claim unfair dismissal (twice). In the end I was very tired and took the offer of money to go quietly. I am still quite sad about this but it was the only reasonable option. I was getting sicker by the week under the pressure. Simon Hi, Simon, I’m sorry you had to go through this and especially twice. The pressure can get stressful at times. I truly understand… smiles, Elise Elise, Thank you, The good bit is that it was a lot of money the third time. For my health I had to take the offer, not the first offer, the final one. Why they wanted rid of me I don’t know. I may guess why but I can’t say and even if I was sure I couldn’t say. Panic Disorder was the excuse not the reason. The Panic Disorder was real but it was no reason for me not continuing to work. Simon — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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01/30/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own Cathy Ever been fired from a job?

In a manner of speaking I was fired. I was kicked out the door on disability pension at the age of 47. — Ron P Member of the invisible generation — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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01/30/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own Cathy Ever been fired from a job? Jackie ~*~When in doubt, make a fool of yourself. There is a microscopically thin line between being brilliantly creative and acting like the most gigantic idiot on earth. So what the hell, leap~*~

No. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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01/30/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own Cathy Ever been fired from a job?

Once. I was hired as Christmas help for the Swiss Colony selling beef logs and cheese balls. I got the flu, my mom called in for me, but I was fired because I didn’t show up. They were "too busy" to not have had me there. My dad called back and chewed management out (heck, I was 15 or 16). That’s the only job I was fired from, though. kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Ever been fired from a job? Never! Jackie ~*~When in doubt, make a fool of yourself. There is a microscopically thin line between being brilliantly creative and acting like the most gigantic idiot on earth. So what the hell, leap~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Sure have!!! smiles, Elise

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01/30/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by our very own Cathy Ever been fired from a job? Jackie

No, I ususlly quit before they fire me. LOL !! — _TJ_

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Part I – What you should know about MULAY

admin — Sun, 24 Sep 2006 00:00:00 +0000

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Anyone new to this NG would be wise to read this & realize exactly what he’s about (i.e., "he" being the pathetic troublemaking looney who keeps spewing his filth in here)…. you’ve been warned Yep, from the e-mail that "Zootwoman" sent to Doug R., then he posted it here, lol : – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok Mr. Marc V Mulay, you asked for it: Heres a letter from your friend regarding your past: I met him at that net magazine Spark-online.com. There were about 15 of us who posted there regularly, mostly writers and creatives. He wrote some nice things. I’m sure you saw the links he obsessively posted. I felt like we were friends. At the time I was bored and a little lonely. He talked me into working out and taking better care of myself. At one point he seemed so depressed that he was contemplating suicide. This is when I really put my foot in it cause I saw a series of posts that I considered to be serious threats to kill himself and I called the Orange County police to do a welfare check. So we emailed frequently until he would start to hate me or think I was stalking him or trying to control him. Then I wouldn’t hear from him for 3 or 4 months like he does here at AGA. His sister was schizophrenic and killed herself about four years ago. Between that and some other stuff, I think he cracked. I sincerely believe that he can’t control these outbursts. When he’s stable he’s a really nice guy. I’ve never actually met him face to face though. I’ve seen pictures of his family including the ex and her parents. He talks about his family a lot. I’m sure he totally loves his wife and girls. We were just efriends, tenuous friends at best (visualize fairy godmother, genie or something). He’s turned on me a couple of times but I realized that it was just what ever it is that he suffers from. It must be awful for his wife. I hope she’s aware. She has to be, which means that the school must know as well. I would never fired someone because their spouse had mental problems. He told me about the time he got arrested for resisting arrest for crossing the street not in a cross walk while joggin. I know this is true cause I had to help him make sure his record was correct (via phone/clerks office). I have a legal background and this story is too long and involved. I don’t know what you think, but I was just trying to watch out for him. My mother was nuts. I guess this was my way to try to make up for not being able to be there for her. I don’t know. It’s really sad and in a way he saved me by getting me to start taking care of myself. I helped him find a job a couple of times by collecting job openings and emailing off his resume. Mainly it encouraged him to get a job but they didn’t last on account of his condition – he doesn’t admit it although sometimes he’ll mention his medication. The first time I emailed him he stated he was taking meds and asked if it scared me. I used the word nuts earlier, but you know people don’t choose to be crazy. I’m not able to diagnose what is wrong with Marc, but I’m sure he can’t afford treatment. It’s a shame. He could have been a good writer. He wrote a book about the first job loss that helped send him over the edge. I have a copy. It’s clear that whoever wrote it was disturbed (as they should have been) but most of us have the capacity to recover. It’s funny, even though I’ve never met him and he’s done some awful things to me (like the recent postings) I care enough about him as a human being to feel badly for him and his family. I’m sorry that he’s harassed you. I heard about it and Harris from his side. He needs a friend but I think it would be nearly impossible and exceedingly stressful to try to be one. He always riffs about how alone he is and that’s the way he likes it. It’s hard enough for me, 2000 miles and the internet removed, to be tolerant. From time to time I’ve considered calling his wife but I think that would only make the situation worse if he’s been able to hide his behavior from her by acting out here. Who really knows??? I’ve been talking to him for 3 or 4 years – on line and on the phone 3 or 4 times. I’m sure he’s mentally unstable. I’ve seen him lose at least three jobs. The last one was a great job. I wish I had that job. He did what he just did to me, sort of, and I guess what he did to you. He became paranoid and started to make accusations, called up one of the clients and told them the company was going out of business. He got fired and they got a court order. I think they were going to sue him but since he’s broke they dropped the suit in exchange for an apology to the client. The really wierd thing was that he sent me the original court document of the settlement like I should have it and then told me to never contact him again. I didn’t, other than posting at AGA. I just tried to be a friend, that’s all. I feel badly for his wife. She must truely be a Saint. It’s too bad, he’s smart, funny and can be quite generous when he’s "normal." Well, it’s not your enemy that knifes you in the back, it’s your friend. I shoulda backed off immediately. I saw it coming. I started having fun and getting to know some of the guys so I didn’t want to be pushed off the group. I didn’t think he’d attack me quite so viciously. Wrong. I’m sure he’ll be back unless he actually destroyed his computer like he said he did. He did this at the other dboard. He’d leave and then come back. He’d tell me to never talk to him and then three moths later I’d get an email, either he got a job or he lost a job and he’d be friendly until I started to relax and be friendly back and then he start accusing me of trying to control him. I wish there was a magic potion to cure him. It’s such a waste of human potential.

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http://www.ibiblio.org/jwsnyder/rft/rft027.mp2 here’s a special message for all you people out there

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone new to this NG would be wise to read this & realize exactly what he’s about (i.e., "he" being the pathetic troublemaking looney who keeps spewing his filth in here)…. you’ve been warned Yep, from the e-mail that "Zootwoman" sent to Doug R., then he posted it here, lol : Ok Mr. Tip dover / Stalky, you asked for it: Heres a letter from your friend regarding your past: I met him at that net magazine Spark-online.com. There were about 15 of us who posted there regularly, mostly writers and creatives. He wrote some nice things. I’m sure you saw the links he obsessively posted. I felt like we were friends. At the time I was bored and a little lonely. He talked me into working out and taking better care of myself. At one point he seemed so depressed that he was contemplating suicide. This is when I really put my foot in it cause I saw a series of posts that I considered to be serious threats to kill himself and I called the Orange County police to do a welfare check. So we emailed frequently until he would start to hate me or think I was stalking him or trying to control him. Then I wouldn’t hear from him for 3 or 4 months like he does here at AGA. His mother was schizophrenic and killed herself about four months ago. Between that and some other stuff, I think he cracked. I sincerely believe that he can’t control these outbursts. When he’s stable he’s a really nice guy. I’ve never actually met him face to face though. I’ve seen pictures of his family including the ex and her parents. He talks about his family a lot. I’m sure he totally loves his wife and girls. We were just efriends, tenuous friends at best (visualize fairy godmother, genie or something). He’s turned on me a couple of times but I realized that it was just what ever it is that he suffers from. It must be awful for his wife. I hope she’s aware. She has to be, which means that the school must know as well. I would never fired someone because their spouse had mental problems. He told me about the time he got arrested for resisting arrest for cross dressing. I know this is true cause I had to help him make sure his record was correct (via phone/clerks office). I have a legal background and this story is too long and involved. I don’t know what you think, but I was just trying to watch out for him. My mother was nuts. I guess this was my way to try to make up for not being able to be there for her. I don’t know. It’s really sad and in a way he saved me by getting me to start taking care of myself. I helped him find a job a couple of times by collecting job openings and emailing off his resume. Mainly it encouraged him to get a job but they didn’t last on account of his condition – he doesn’t admit it although sometimes he’ll mention his medication. The first time I emailed him he stated he was taking meds and asked if it scared me. I used the word nuts earlier, but you know people don’t choose to be crazy. I’m not able to diagnose what is wrong with Marc, but I’m sure he can’t afford treatment. It’s a shame. He could have been a good writer. He wrote a book about the first job loss that helped send him over the edge. I have a copy. It’s clear that whoever wrote it was disturbed (as they should have been) but most of us have the capacity to recover. It’s funny, even though I’ve never met him and he’s done some awful things to me (like the recent postings) I care enough about him as a human being to feel badly for him and his family. I’m sorry that he’s harassed you. I heard about it and Harris from his side. He needs a friend but I think it would be nearly impossible and exceedingly stressful to try to be one. He always riffs about how alone he is and that’s the way he likes it. It’s hard enough for me, 2000 miles and the internet removed, to be tolerant. From time to time I’ve considered calling his wife but I think that would only make the situation worse if he’s been able to hide his behavior from her by acting out here. Who really knows??? I’ve been talking to him for 3 or 4 years – on line and on the phone 3 or 4 times. I’m sure he’s mentally unstable. I’ve seen him lose at least three jobs. The last one was a great job. I wish I had that job. He did what he just did to me, sort of, and I guess what he did to you. He became paranoid and started to make accusations, called up one of the clients and told them the company was going out of business. He got fired and they got a court order. I think they were going to sue him but since he’s broke they dropped the suit in exchange for an apology to the client. The really wierd thing was that he sent me the original court document of the settlement like I should have it and then told me to never contact him again. I didn’t, other than posting at AGA. I just tried to be a friend, that’s all. I feel badly for his wife. She must truely be a Saint. It’s too bad, he’s smart, funny and can be quite generous when he’s "normal." Well, it’s not your enemy that knifes you in the back, it’s your friend. I shoulda backed off immediately. I saw it coming. I started having fun and getting to know some of the guys so I didn’t want to be pushed off the group. I didn’t think he’d attack me quite so viciously. Wrong. I’m sure he’ll be back unless he actually destroyed his computer like he said he did. He did this at the other dboard. He’d leave and then come back. He’d tell me to never talk to him and then three moths later I’d get an email, either he got a job or he lost a job and he’d be friendly until I started to relax and be friendly back and then he start accusing me of trying to control him. I wish there was a magic potion to cure him. It’s such a waste of human potential.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone new to this NG would be wise to read this & realize exactly what he’s about (i.e., "he" being the pathetic troublemaking looney who keeps spewing his filth in here)…. you’ve been warned Yep, from the e-mail that "Zootwoman" sent to Doug R., then he posted it here, lol : Ok Mr. Marc V Mulay, you asked for it: Heres a letter from your friend regarding your past: I met him at that net magazine Spark-online.com. There were about 15 of us who posted there regularly, mostly writers and creatives. He wrote some nice things. I’m sure you saw the links he obsessively posted. I felt like we were friends. At the time I was bored and a little lonely. He talked me into working out and taking better care of myself. At one point he seemed so depressed that he was contemplating suicide. This is when I really put my foot in it cause I saw a series of posts that I considered to be serious threats to kill himself and I called the Orange County police to do a welfare check. So we emailed frequently until he would start to hate me or think I was stalking him or trying to control him. Then I wouldn’t hear from him for 3 or 4 months like he does here at AGA. His sister was schizophrenic and killed herself about four years ago. Between that and some other stuff, I think he cracked.

That’s fucked up Marc, someone you trusted with that info posted it on the net. Is that why you lick Kabong’s nutsack? For protection? Rocky and Mary hurt you that bad? Paul was right about you… LOL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I sincerely believe that he can’t control these outbursts. When he’s stable he’s a really nice guy. I’ve never actually met him face to face though. I’ve seen pictures of his family including the ex and her parents. He talks about his family a lot. I’m sure he totally loves his wife and girls. We were just efriends, tenuous friends at best (visualize fairy godmother, genie or something). He’s turned on me a couple of times but I realized that it was just what ever it is that he suffers from. It must be awful for his wife. I hope she’s aware. She has to be, which means that the school must know as well. I would never fired someone because their spouse had mental problems. He told me about the time he got arrested for resisting arrest for crossing the street not in a cross walk while joggin. I know this is true cause I had to help him make sure his record was correct (via phone/clerks office). I have a legal background and this story is too long and involved. I don’t know what you think, but I was just trying to watch out for him. My mother was nuts. I guess this was my way to try to make up for not being able to be there for her. I don’t know. It’s really sad and in a way he saved me by getting me to start taking care of myself. I helped him find a job a couple of times by collecting job openings and emailing off his resume. Mainly it encouraged him to get a job but they didn’t last on account of his condition – he doesn’t admit it although sometimes he’ll mention his medication. The first time I emailed him he stated he was taking meds and asked if it scared me. I used the word nuts earlier, but you know people don’t choose to be crazy. I’m not able to diagnose what is wrong with Marc, but I’m sure he can’t afford treatment. It’s a shame. He could have been a good writer. He wrote a book about the first job loss that helped send him over the edge. I have a copy. It’s clear that whoever wrote it was disturbed (as they should have been) but most of us have the capacity to recover. It’s funny, even though I’ve never met him and he’s done some awful things to me (like the recent postings) I care enough about him as a human being to feel badly for him and his family. I’m sorry that he’s harassed you. I heard about it and Harris from his side. He needs a friend but I think it would be nearly impossible and exceedingly stressful to try to be one. He always riffs about how alone he is and that’s the way he likes it. It’s hard enough for me, 2000 miles and the internet removed, to be tolerant. From time to time I’ve considered calling his wife but I think that would only make the situation worse if he’s been able to hide his behavior from her by acting out here. Who really knows??? I’ve been talking to him for 3 or 4 years – on line and on the phone 3 or 4 times. I’m sure he’s mentally unstable. I’ve seen him lose at least three jobs. The last one was a great job. I wish I had that job. He did what he just did to me, sort of, and I guess what he did to you. He became paranoid and started to make accusations, called up one of the clients and told them the company was going out of business. He got fired and they got a court order. I think they were going to sue him but since he’s broke they dropped the suit in exchange for an apology to the client. The really wierd thing was that he sent me the original court document of the settlement like I should have it and then told me to never contact him again. I didn’t, other than posting at AGA. I just tried to be a friend, that’s all. I feel badly for his wife. She must truely be a Saint. It’s too bad, he’s smart, funny and can be quite generous when he’s "normal." Well, it’s not your enemy that knifes you in the back, it’s your friend. I shoulda backed off immediately. I saw it coming. I started having fun and getting to know some of the guys so I didn’t want to be pushed off the group. I didn’t think he’d attack me quite so viciously. Wrong. I’m sure he’ll be back unless he actually destroyed his computer like he said he did. He did this at the other dboard. He’d leave and then come back. He’d tell me to never talk to him and then three moths later I’d get an email, either he got a job or he lost a job and he’d be friendly until I started to relax and be friendly back and then he start accusing me of trying to control him. I wish there was a magic potion to cure him. It’s such a waste of human potential.

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Primer

admin — Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:00:00 +0000

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I agree with Laurie, "Derailed" was a good movie with a twist at the end. smiles, Elise

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The Useless Turds Society

admin — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 00:00:00 +0000

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My DW spit out at me with real hatred "You useless piece of shit. Nobody likes you Etc." Half an hour earlier, my dear ADD Daughter exploded at me with screaming fit of exasperated rage. … A typical ADD moment? … I suspect so. Only on this occasion I got lucky. … My ADD D; who is learning all about ADD for herself; had the presence of mind to specifically express what it was about me that made her go ape shit. Dad was being supremely arrogant with respect to his own uselessness. Instead of ‘trying’ dad __, ___, and ___. I leave it as blank because I’m not sure what my D was trying to say. But that doesn’t matter. The key is the ARROGANT about being USELESS. I understood. … I smiled to myself; in full realization of what it meant. To explain it to my D then or now or tomorrow is impossible I was being perceived as useless because I was weak; because I didn’t want to make the effort; because I wasn’t even trying. In reality I was apathetic … but I was also arrrogant. Proud about being useless? O.K. .. I cannot find the words. Can anyone help? … I couldn’t do anything .. I knew the score. .. I felt quite confident. It was as if my DW and DD where whining in the extreme about my uselessness … when I felt usefull and effective. Why oh why oh why oh why is it so hard to find words for something so simple, so vibrant, so ordinary. .. It put a big stress on me. … It drives me nuts. But dysphasia is not something pathological. There doesn’t seem to be anyone who describes this sort of thing. I will stop here for the moment, risking the loss of my impetus … This is worth elaborating upon. Can anyone help? Cordially, RL

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Uhm, yeah. I can see where they would feel that you’re being this way. And I can see where it would drive them absolutely bonkers. You LIKE feeling useless. You REVEL in it. You want the rest of us with ADHD to join you in WALLOWING in your *perceived* uselessness. You’re one of the people who uses ADHD like a flag, like banner, proudly waving overhead, proclaiming that you can’t function because you have ADHD. Aaarrgghhh!!!! As I posted here: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/dafc91de7… Kitten

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A few people in my family have varying *mental illnesses* and IMO- *crazy* people DON’T THINK they’re crazy!! I’ve found that most often- they think *they* are the ones who make sense. The beauty of delusion. Do you think RL posts such whining, self-loathing posts because he wants someone to empathize with him? or do you think he posts them just to evoke neg. reactions (ie:a masochist)?

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"Above" is what you observe of me. Fair enough. Let’s suppose that my DW and DD perceive me this way. You can sympathize with their going gonzo. Good. :-) "Below" is what you infer about me. See below for further elaboration You’re one of the people who uses ADHD like a flag, like banner, proudly waving overhead, proclaiming that you can’t function because you have ADHD. Aaarrgghhh!!!!

1) Nope. Nice try. As they say at cards … "Go fish." 2) I like the thought of adopting what you infer. There is some pleasure in being smug about such a thing. Yet, stitting there with a smirk whilst I am being screamed at is like being in purgatory. .. It’s like taking just half of a step in the correct direction. What I really, really care to express but cannot find the words .. or … thoughts … or… act it out and through… IS THE NEXT STEP. Yes, I am acknowledging that I have ADD. .. I am being confident and assured in that. … Good, good, good, (Now screaming at you)~~~ ….NOW I WANT TO ACT, TOOTS!!!! HOW THE FIG DO I ACT WHEN I RECOGNIZE THAT I HAVE BEEN EMASCULATED … Somehow, deep down, I "know" the answer. I wish to make that awareness, overt. Given the choice of being … a) apathetic b) smug and smirking at my own fecklessness … IMO "Smug & smirking" is one huge half step for the better. Bravo. And so important of all ~~~ Onwards to the next step `~~~ ACTING …. lest we forget.) [ Strange, how I really had to push myself to spit this final step out into words. Moreover, I included this paragraph only AFTER I had written this posting (I.E. this is an edit to improve clarity ) 3) From what I have read of Kitten's postings .... Kitten also comes across as a proud and longstanding member of the "Useless Turds Society"

I deliberately did NOT read your reference before replying. Having made my reply, I shall now do so ... Cordially, RL

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I am discussing the topic of perceptions. 'Perceiving' is a very peculiar thing. There are some very queer properties involved with it. *crazy* people DON'T THINK they're crazy!! ... Nawh. They are just a bunch of "useless turds". I am not re-acting or mocking what you have posted. ... I possit that what you are noticing and expressing is rooted more in the "Properties of Perception" than hard fact. It is very difficult to untangle this mess. It seems central to the business of ADD. (IMO) Cordially, RL

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The key is the ARROGANT about being USELESS. I understood. ... I smiled to myself; in full realization of what it meant. To explain it to my D then or now or tomorrow is impossible I was being perceived as useless because I was weak; because I didn't want to make the effort; because I wasn't even trying. In reality I was apathetic ... but I was also arrrogant. Proud about being useless?

I support your kin 1000%. Because, you never fail UNTIL you stop trying. No one with what some calls ADHD has ever failed because of their having the attributes of what some call ADHD. People with the attributes of what some call ADHD fail because they LET the narcissistic Nancy's of the world BRAINWASH them into perceiving the attributes of what some call ADHD as disabiling and internalize all the narcissists negative labeling---e.g. disabled, handicapped, useless---and give up trying. In fact and reality, many ADHD'ers carry the weight of both themselves and the numerous predators who hitch themselves to the highly competent ADHD'ers wagon. ADHD'ers wouldn't carry their own weight, plus their predators IF their predators didn't brainwash the ADHD'er into doing so by manufacturing the false reality that the the predator was the useful one, and his/her ADHD host was the useless one. Over an extended period of time, the predator will suck all the life out of the ADHD-er---whereupon the aDHD'er will go ON STRIKE---and actualize the role of the disabled, handicapped, useless turd which the narcissists have been *saying* they are. Hopefully, the narcissist will then move on to another host---and, the ADHd'er can rebuild their self-confidence the narcissist robbed them of for self-serving reasons.

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Well, considering that's *exactly* what you post here... "Below" is what you infer about me. See below for further elaboration You're one of the people who uses ADHD like a flag, like banner, proudly waving overhead, proclaiming that you can't function because you have ADHD. Aaarrgghhh!!!! 1) Nope. Nice try. As they say at cards ... "Go fish."

Again, this observation is from what/how you post here. You're constantly posting about how you're useless, ineffectual, whatever, and it's all because you have ADD. Hogwash! If you are useless and ineffectual, as you say here that you are, it's because you *choose* to be useless and ineffectual. There's a *huge* difference between having challenges and allowing those challenges to determine who/what you are. ADHD and the accompanying challenges can be a wonderful blessing, or it can be an insufferable curse. The choice is up to each of us who "suffer" (blech!) with ADHD. It is up to *us* to decide if it is a blessing or a curse, if we are going to focus on the positive aspects of ADHD or on the negative. 2) I like the thought of adopting what you infer. There is some pleasure in being smug about such a thing. Yet, stitting there with a smirk whilst I am being screamed at is like being in purgatory. .. It's like taking just half of a step in the correct direction. What I really, really care to express but cannot find the words .. or ... thoughts ... or... act it out and through... IS THE NEXT STEP. Yes, I am acknowledging that I have ADD. .. I am being confident and assured in that. ... Good, good, good, (Now screaming at you)~~~ ....NOW I WANT TO ACT, TOOTS!!!! HOW THE FIG DO I ACT WHEN I RECOGNIZE THAT I HAVE BEEN EMASCULATED

If you feel emasculated, it is because you CHOOSE to. ADHD hasn't emasculated you. Your wife and daughter yelling at you hasn't emasculated you. *YOU* are the only person who can emasculate you. ... Somehow, deep down, I "know" the answer. I wish to make that awareness, overt. Given the choice of being ... a) apathetic b) smug and smirking at my own fecklessness ... IMO "Smug & smirking" is one huge half step for the better. Bravo.

How about a different choice? How about working *with* your ADHD? How about utilizing the good qualities and minimizing the challenging ones? And so important of all ~~~ Onwards to the next step `~~~ ACTING .... lest we forget.) [ Strange, how I really had to push myself to spit this final step out into words. Moreover, I included this paragraph only AFTER I had written this posting (I.E. this is an edit to improve clarity )

Action is good. It's oh, so much better than sitting there feeling sorry for yourself. 3) From what I have read of Kitten's postings .... Kitten also comes across as a proud and longstanding member of the "Useless Turds Society"

Pardon?

I have no idea why you're so "smug, smirking, and confident." All I see is what you post here. Go back through the archives. See what you've written, how you've written it. It's a good exercise we all should participate in once in a while. I am aware of one thing ... DW & DD are aware of another thing ... I KNOW that DW's & DD's appreciations are seriously borked .. they seem to be squealing like stuck pigs who have fallen on their own subjective swords

You're dead meat if they *do* read here. Why do you think *they* are the ones who are "borked," rather than you? I want to explain as "process of what is happening " rather than resorting to 'squealing like a stuck pig', obviously : As I posted here: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/dafc91de7... I deliberately did NOT read your reference before replying. Having made my reply, I shall now do so ...

Go right ahead. Kitten

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Dunno. Hard to figure out. If it's the 2nd, well, at least he's better at fishing than most I've seen. Not many good fisher[wo]men out there these days. Kitten

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BTW, all my friends are wishing me Happy 5-0, today.:-)

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Noone can suck the life out of anyone else, without the permission of the person being drained. Kitten

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Late for big luncheon and ? my friends are throwing to celebrate.it . Have a great June 8, 2006! I will! Linda

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(I haven’t yet. … I will) I could point out that your response, at odds from what you intended ( assuming such ) strong works to make feel utterly worthless.. … ( My re-action is apt to feel even more pathetic about myself. ) This isn’t happening. Don’t worry. Whyat DOES HAPPEN is the following. Reading your response makes me feel utterly horrible about myself. I shall give up this thread. I feel utterly horrible about myself BECAUSE I realize that my efforts at effectively expressing myself have failed absolutely and spectacularly. I have proved to myself that I am a useless turd. Believe me or not. … given my inability to convey antything .. who cares! I give up trying to express myself. I have nothing left to offer, here at ASAD.

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Good. Because it’s meant to make you take a good, honest look at yourself, so you know juat what it is that’s so exasperating, so you can STOP DOING IT and work on better ways of dealing with things. Whyat DOES HAPPEN is the following. Reading your response makes me feel utterly horrible about myself. I shall give up this thread. I feel utterly horrible about myself BECAUSE I realize that my efforts at effectively expressing myself have failed absolutely and spectacularly. I have proved to myself that I am a useless turd.

Oh, stop it. Enough already. You do this any time someone calls you on your more irritating habits. Doesn’t work with me. I’ve heard it from too many other males, IRL. That dog don’t hunt. Believe me or not. … given my inability to convey antything .. who cares! I give up trying to express myself. I have nothing left to offer, here at ASAD.

That’s crap, and you know it. You’re actually quite good at expressing yourself. You just don’t want to hear what others think about what you’re expressing. If you’re not conveying the message you intend to convey, look at *why* it’s coming across differently than you meant. Then go back and re-word it. Simple as that. Kitten

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O.K. How about … You ram your own opinion down everyone else’s throat and don’t realize it. The ‘insanity’ of the Raving Loonie is appreciate and respect that you are trying to help; that you are trying to offer the best that you have to provide. The Raving Loonie’s ability is to recognize, appreciate, and accept a point-of-view. The Raving Loonie is driven to insanity because everyone else ( and Kittten is just one very, very, very, very small part of that "everyone else" … Notice, how I respect and act to protect KITTEN’S POINT-OF-VIEW, eh? ) The Raving Loonie is driven to insanity because everyone else have their heads jammed, so friggin’ far up their own asses that they are only cognizant of their own point of view. Oh, but it doesn’t stop there … No sir. The Raving Loonie is such a stupid bugger and to respect and appreciate that

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Oh, nice. Is that your way of saying, "La-la-la-la-laaaa… I don’t hear you… I’m not listenin’… la-la-la-la-la-laaaa…?" IOW, you’re so tied into your opinion of what’s going on that you can’t deal with other people expressing yours. So when someone tries to discuss something with you and they strongly disagree, you say they’re ramming their opinion down everyone else’s throat, right? Especially if that opinion agrees with those of your wife and daughter, right? Believe it or not, there are several of us here who’ve had rather long, drawn out discussions where we CIVILLY voiced our individual opinions. Sometimes we’d all change our opinions a bit after hearing everyone else’s opinions. Sometimes we all walked away with our opinions still unchanged. But we didn’t engage in the "poor, pitiful me" stuff. That’s not conducive to having a civil discussion of different points of view.

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Oh, nice. Is that your way of saying, "La-la-la-la-laaaa… I don’t hear you… I’m not listenin’… la-la-la-la-la-laaaa…?"

Whatever I say will be construed as me whining, feeling pity for myself, being self interested, being crazy, being unreasonable, craving pity … I have lost hope. I give up. Nothing left to post . It has all died. Silence.

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My former ADD specialist, no longer treats adults with ADD. I guess that feeding his sense of "self" from the trusting ADD adult isn’t good enough. Nope. Now, it’s just defenseless kiddies. … Their sense of ’self’ is even more fragile. Goodbye Kitten. I am quite useless and participating in Usenet just makes me feel like killing myself. Of course, NOT participating in Usenset also makes me feel like killing myself. You know how it is … Life is a bitch and then you die. I hope to God that I am out of here. GOODBYE. GOOD LUCK, CHEERIO

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Reading your response makes me feel utterly horrible about myself. I shall give up this thread. I feel utterly horrible about myself BECAUSE I realize that my efforts at effectively expressing myself have failed absolutely and spectacularly. I have proved to myself that I am a useless turd. Believe me or not. … given my inability to convey antything .. who cares! I give up trying to express myself.

If only you would. It gets old, RL, you aren’t looking to improve, you just want a platform to post your constant whining. I really can’t imagine how it must be to live with someone like you, so self-focused. As I’ve said to you many times, it really isn’t all about you and ADHD, it’s just all about you. — Ann e-mail address is not checked

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Oh, look … Ann is whining and doesn’t realize it.

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Healthy interpersonal relationships must be founded upon mutual respect— IOW—"I’m Ok, your OK". the attributes of what some call ADHD are one’s which some people attempt to exploit as a means to sucker people with the attributes of what some call ADHD into accepting unhealthy personal interactions—where the predator is OK, the person with ADHD is NOT OK. the healthy response by a person with ADHD—is my response I’m Ok—and, anyone who says otherwise is NOT OK. Which results in mentally healthy people with aDHD having conflicts, then rejecting all the people who attempt to exploit their attributes to sucker them into psychopathic zero sum games ala Karpman’s drama triangle. RL has an aversion to conflict–and, rejecting OP. RL’s aversion to conflict—and aversion to rejecting OP incites him to "stoop to conquer". When OP dump their " I’m Ok, your NOT ok" BS on RL—he tells such people they are right…with the same smirk, smugness and arrogance that possesses his would be predators to assert "I’m ok, your not ok". Which enrages the smirky, smug, arrogant predators who sought to exploit his differences to manipulate him.

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I know you are but what am I? — Ann e-mail address is not checked

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But here, in this group, he is being told that he *is* OK. The only person saying he’s not OK is RL himself. Everyone else is ready for him to realize that he’s OK and that he *can* be successful at whatever he tries. Kitten

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I guess that you just go ahead and accept things that way that they are. " … but what am I? " Oh, that one easy. You are the sort of person who isn’t in the habit of asking questions of the form "… but what am I? " .. You don’t think about it. You don’t care. It is whatever it is … You go on from there. You take it for granted. I have great respect for how you perceive things. … You are aware of subjectivity at a very deep and abstract level. .. and seem to be quite igorant of it. You don’t consider who you are. You simply take it AS GRANTED. Is this your skill? .. I don’t know. Maybe. It took me perhaps 10 hours to figure out that MW was the ‘Goddess of Cluefullness’. That would be great. I’ll then be able to get one of those t-shirts that say, "Unlike you, I have a clue."

It took me 10 hours to became to recognize that this is the essence of MothWrangler: "Unlike you, I have a clue." There are two parts a) " Unlike you, … <~~~ "A whine" b) … I have a clue." <~~~~ The essence of MothWrangler’s awareness. … Her skill. That which is important. … Ann is whining and doesn’t realize it. I know you are but what am I?

a) " I know you are … " <~~~ "A whine" b) … but what am I? " <~~~~ a bullshit statement. The point being that you don’t care what you are … The point being that RL’s whining is noise to you … contentless bullshit. What are you? … aside from an essential truth that "You don’t care" having much-to-do-with-it And those comments I made quite a while ago … I am not quite sure. The question remains open and nagging for me. Cordially, RL

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Opus Hugr —- Heathen— who believes, unlike others, they are the enlightened ones- nee have a clue. Opus = work of, Hugr = mind/spirit Opus Dei——- Christian——-who believes, unlike others, they are the enlightened ones- nee have a clue. Opus = work of, Dei =Deus—God.- (the word Hugr is Norse/Germanic) … Her skill. That which is important. …

err, what’s important is that her self-serving, skewed, non-factual/delusional belief is her excuse, rationale, justification for her "Mothwrangling"

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Errh … I think that I will simply let SMFPTF speak on my behalf, here … She seems to do it effectively, reasonably and accurately. Moreover, for some reason, I cannot bring myself to converse with her directly. a) It doesn’t seem to be necessary. b) Conversing directly seems inappropriate. I feel a strong need to respect a marked degree of independence between us. … Very strange, indeed. Cordially, RL

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My husband has ADD

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I had forgotten to touch on this. Seems very much like how I become when I’m depressed. You asked for advice. I gave it. Sorry if it seems brutish. That’s how I feel about it in this case.

RL, that’s the most coherent, well-put-together post I’ve ever seen from you. Kudos. Kitten

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Hmm! It must be less obvious. He has had terrible lethargy in the past couple of years. I hate to say this, but from *my* perspective, part of this is due to his ADHD and part of it is due to the inflexibility of most NTs (neuro-typicals – people with "normal" neurology).

Hi Anne, I haven’t answered you directly, yet … I have ADD. Nevertheless, I’ll give you the best that I have to offer in a manner that might shock & puzzle you. Uncalled for *maybe* … just gut feeling. I care … You sound very much like my wife in this posting. … the idealized, "dream", perfect possible makeover of my dear wife that I could imagine. I don’t know if what I am seeing is the real "you" … which it very much *could be*. You seems very selfconsistent in your *niceness*. … I don’t know if I am seeing a person who is being very careful to control what she says; to control her environment. That seems to be strongly present in you Anne. You seem like a very Obscessive Compulsive type of person. I am just being candid. Giiving you the best that I can offer. Regardless of who you are .. or what I have (mis)construed, I see two key things about your DH that I see in myself. .. I perceive that the same seems to hold between you and your DH … as holds between me and my DW 1) "He has had terrible lethargy in the past couple of years. … " 2) What you have written below: Yes, I would agree there. I don’t have very high expectations for him at all. The only high expectation I have of him is to be able to hold down a job. I don’t even expect him to take out the garbage or mow the lawn anymore. If I ask him nicely to do something, he’s either too tired to do it or says he will do it later…which is like three years later I think doing everything and keeping him on schedule is wearing me down.

There could be many reasons reasons for his lethargy. I am drawing the inference between 1) and 2) and my own experience with my DW. YMMV! Don’t forget this!!! Your DH’s lethargy is apathy. He has given up trying to take the initiative. You want to do it for him. You want to use him as a method of doing what you need to get done. Whatever the case, your husband seems to feel frustrated that the initiatives which he begins .. or takes … or tries to complete … are taken over by you .. or criticized by you .. that his efforts to do things, hims;elf go unnoticed or unappreicated. Or he could just be frustrated by is own inability to put one foot in front of another and get somewhere with it. …" If I ask him nicely to do something, he’s either too tired to do it or says he will do it later…which is like three years later …" THIS COULD MEAN so many things … It is most significicant to me that you would say it. … but is it because he is pushed? … Because you never remind him? … Because he feels hopeless inherently in himself. … I cannot tell. I see the signal. I know what it means .. your DH is re-acting big time (assuming he is remembering ) Re-acting to you? re-acting to hiomself? re-acting to something else? Sorry. Don’t know. You sound so *nice* .. and so *directed* .. I feel almost like a sugar attack

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Shrug. It is what I do. I have nothing to offer. Sorry, can’t focus on this ATM. A friend of YD’s is here, and I’m watching A Walk To Remember with her, while reading here. It’s at one of my favorite parts of the movie. Kitten

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This method doesn’t assist in resolving issues. It doesn’t narrow things down, doesn’t help delineate where problems are nor which path to avoid so as not to make them worse. Sorry, can’t focus on this ATM. A friend of YD’s is here, and I’m watching A Walk To Remember with her, while reading here. It’s at one of my favorite parts of the movie. Kitten

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No. __" touching many parts *simultaneously* "__ means RECOGNIZING a single ITEM. This one " ITEM " functions as a stand-in REPLACEMENT for all-of-the-parts which are INDEPENDENTLY touched SIMULTANEOUSLY. This is the concept of "Many as ONE", … a many-to-one mapping. Language contains a set of words. Dog House fun fast sad These word-thingies function like nodes, … like collect-alls There are many types of dogs … many specific instances of "dog". What is significant is that all of these different things which are recognized to be ‘ dog ‘ are SOMEHOW, the "same" thing … More important is the ’stuff’ that is implicitly apreciated and DELIBERATELY IGNORED and/or forgotten and/or discarded … All the things which we recognize as being "dog" … Rover, Fido, ugly person, Irish Setter, etc, etc …. HAVE similar attributes. The commonality of the attributes which are covered by the label ‘ dog ‘ seem to remain, distinct, appropriate, and stable over time, INDEPENDENT, … REGARDLESS of otherwise. Thus, a ‘dog’ is an object … it is viable [for whatever the reason] beyond a specific instance ( Fred’s dog, Bowser … for an example of an ‘instance’ ) Recognizing and using ‘objects’ are the basis for ‘Objective Reality’, objectivity, … science. There are many features and skills involved with "Objective thinking". My claim of being able to pick out "All-as-one" is just one activity amongst many activitys. In the main, I do the "All-as-one" thing. That takes up my life. … If you know science, you *know* that you cannot include too many variables into your work. You have to narrow it down, have as many constants as possible while studying certain variables.

Being deliberately facetious, here … Very true, one can never include enough variables … The more the merrier. IRL, before discovering that I had ADD, I was building a reputation in science by demonstrating EXCACTLY this issue. Then you can change a constant and study those variables again, to see how those variables change under different influences.

And what one discovers when one works with a zillion variables/factors is that *only* one or two or three of those variables have INFLUENCE. All the remaining variables are inconsequential. Throwing out variables to simplify a problem … 1) Dumps features that are of "No Regard", anyhow … 2) Risks inadvertantly, dropping features which are important … That is like "Throwing out the baby" and keeping the bathwater. It is a catastropic mistake because one is oblivious to knowing that it has happened. But you CANNOT try to study EVERYTHING at once. That leads to utter confusion. Which is what we see in so many of your posts – sheer and utter confusion.

Yes. There is confusion. Also, a great deal of ungainliness, groping and stumbling around; not to mention, ‘tripping’ and falling flat on my face. AND WHAT YOU MISS … … Is that I seek and frequently find the ALL-AS-ONE characterization. HTH sincerely, RL P.S. All-as-one characterizations are just like anything else … Some are very useful. Others are shoddy. Most are spurious or artifactual or ___ … for whatever the reason ~~~ junk.

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Touching many parts *simultaneously* achieves nothing. It merely confuses the issue. If you know science, you *know* that you cannot include too many variables into your work. You have to narrow it down, have as many constants as possible while studying certain variables. Then you can change a constant and study those variables again, to see how those variables change under different influences. But you CANNOT try to study EVERYTHING at once. That leads to utter confusion. Which is what we see in so many of your posts – sheer and utter confusion. Kitten

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RL, once again, try to grasp this – it isn’t all about you. This is Anne’s thread, not yours. You aren’t the judge of people around here.

Afraid, you’ve ‘cocked up’ on this one too, darling. This is how I think ~~~ http://tinyurl.com/mjcts … Making serious decisions are close to well nigh impossible for me. I don’t judge people, I perceive people. I care about "What is ___ ’s AWARENESS ?" You have stated on several occasions, now … " RL, once again, try to grasp this – it isn’t all about you. " Very astute of you. You hit the nail square on the head. The ‘cock up’ concerns what you are infering from it. I understand how you think. Meaning … I am aware of your awareness. And you dismiss me precisely because I am *clueless* RL is "Cluing in … ". RL is "Cluing in … ". RL is "Cluing in … ". RL is "Cluing in … ". RL is "Cluing in … ". RL is "Cluing in … ". RL is "Cluing in … ". RL is "Cluing in … ". RL is "Cluing in … ". THAT is the story of my life. "What is ___ Ann’s ___ AWARENESS ?" … professed no longer to ‘ hold ‘ regarding the Raving Loonie. THAT is "ADD" for you Anne! … Keep reading and participating and you will learn about the good, the bad and the ugly of the condition and of ASAD. Adios Ann.

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… Keep reading and participating and you will learn about the good, the bad and the ugly of the condition and of ASAD.

And, of course, the alll-knowledgable RL is the only one who grasps the good, the bad and the ugly of the condition and of ASAD. I need his guidance to figure it all out! Not that I’ve lived it my whole life, nor been here since 1995. Without you, RL, we’d all cease to exist. Guide on (but no one’s following). — Ann e-mail address is not checked

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… Keep reading and participating and you will learn about the good, the bad and the ugly of the condition and of ASAD. And, of course, the alll-knowledgable RL is the only one who grasps the good, the bad and the ugly of the condition and of ASAD. …

Hogwash. My background is science. As with any topic, I know and understand whatever that *might be* . You are introducing the ~ m o n o p o l y ~ observation. Here is why you do it: My background is science. ~~~ * any topic * It means … A specific example ~~~~~ abstract representation of all such things White house Fire station ~~~~ A building Uncle Tom’s cabin "A Building" = monopoly = category = topic = abastraction = generalization = token = concept = OBJECT ( *think* of objectivity, here. ) … as in "independent", free of context A.K.A. REGARDLESS … Guide on (but no one’s following).

Ain’t it the truth. Basic reasearch is a lot of grunt~&~sweat. Most inefficient … Are you attempting to get anywhere with the ADD topic? Or are you merely satisfied with sniping at someone who is trying to touch many parts of the topic ’simultaneously’ and achieve something by it.

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Hi Kitten, Thanks for writing back I have been on the net for quite a while, so people don’t bother me, but thanks for letting me know

You’re welcome. I’ll try to reply back to your points later. Right now, I’m running behind schedule, as usual. I sat down to relax a bit and decided to finish my book, then I decided to check my NGs, and I still don’t have the new liner made for the old playpen we’re keeping 5 rescued goats in, here in our living room. (The lamb kinda has free range of the house at night, since he’s my spoiled rotten "therapy lamb.") As you can probably tell, I’m a lot like your hubby in some ways. I’d best go now and wake up YD, who’s napping after a dose of benadryl for a wasp sting. She and I need to get all the feeding done and get ready to go into town in the next 45 minutes. Chewy’s taking us out to dinner and a movie tonight! And my kitchen’s still a disaster!! Take care! Kitten

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Hi group, I have been browsing messages as of late because I would like to know what I can do to help my husband. He has had ADD since he was a child; he had ADHD then. I knew he had ADD when I started dating him, but it didn’t seem as much of a problem then. He doesn’t take any prescriptions to treat it and never has.

Some of us do, some of us don’t ) I’m in the ‘don’t’ camp. It is hard to live on his planet and myself and some of our friends have tried their best. He often can’t see the before and after effect he has on people. It is hard for me and our friends not to take things personally. We know he doesn’t mean it, but he doesn’t realize how many feelings are hurt. He often promises that things won’t repeat themselves, but invariably they do. He bought a PDA to keep him on track of things, but he doesn’t use it. He will get hyperfocused on doing something and gets angry when I suggest that he give it a break (ie, something is broken, it’s midnight and he has to be up for work at 6:30am).

That sounds pretty typical. Kind of hard to deal with, but typical. I know he doesn’t isn’t being mean or malicious, but it is hard. He often feels hurt and rejected, but doesn’t recognize when something is inappropriate either. For example, I appreciate that he wants to hug me, but hugging me while I’m holding a boiling pot is not. I end up apologizing for his behaviour to our friends and neighbours all the time. I’m certainly not a prude or over-critical or have high standards or something, but he really does offend people by some of the things he says. For example, our neighbour is a pilot and he enthusiastically told her about that black box crash recording website. She was truly horrified and we’ve never been invited back to their place after that : Should we seek counselling? Are there any lifestyle changes that help ADD? Is drug treatment something to consider? He won’t really want to talk to our doctor it though.

Lifestyle changes-it takes a lifetime to figure out what changes to make. Trial and error. Mostly error. He really should talk to the doctor, however. He needs to get into counselling, and he needs to give meds a try. Counselling, coaching, first. He really needs to see and consider how ADHD shapes him, how it’s affected his life, contront it, and then figure out the best course to deal with it. I tried the meds, I found I didn’t like them, but not everyone feels that way. Adult diagnosis here, I found the meds made by head too ‘quiet’. But if you search a bit for messages from me you’ll see I’m not your typical ADHDr (I’m normal, it’s the rest of the NT world that’s weird

Absolutely no offense taken. I’m sure my husband feels the same way about me sometimes. I drive him crazy inthat I handle lots of input, I’ll have the TV on, I’ll be browsing newsgroups and talking to him – he can only handle one at a time

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi group, Hi, Anne, and welcome. Don’t worry about the Ricardo guy who posted a response. There are some folks who just don’t appreciate 1) the existence of ADHD and 2) ASAD’s direct approach in discussing ADHD issues. … Such as the direct assertion that a person who has ADD blathers out an endless stream of garbage that is useless at best and occasionally far more dangerous. Moreover, any effort to recognize and/or readress such ‘blanket dismissal’ is an insult to the good charactacter of the person who made such an uneqivocal denouncement and the ng, from which she has spoken. IMO, this is a fine example of ASAD’s ‘ existence ‘ and " ASAD’s direct approach in discussing ADHD issues ". Having ADD is not an excuse for being a stupid dork … * They are unsavory and unpleasant characacters who " deserve " all that have coming to them. * They are lazy bastards who only have themselves to blame for never doing anything. * Their protests about such ineptitude merely demonstrates that they are in denial. * They are a continuous embarrassment and insult to those with who they associate. My advice to you based upon the majority opinion of this ’support’ ng is simple: Dump your pathethic loser of an ADD husband. His pathological condition is lifelong and incurable. He is one sick puppy and will be a perpetual source of embarrassment and insult. BTW, Welcome to ASAD, the ’support group’ for those who are regularly ‘victimized’ by ADD dumb-asses. Cordially, RL

RL, once again, try to grasp this – it isn’t all about you. This is Anne’s thread, not yours. You aren’t the judge of people around here. — Ann e-mail address is not checked

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t is hard to live on his planet and myself and some of our friends have tried their best. He often can’t see the before and after effect he has on people. It is hard for me and our friends not to take things personally. We know he doesn’t mean it, but he doesn’t realize how many feelings are hurt. He often promises that things won’t repeat themselves, but invariably they do. He bought a PDA to keep him on track of things, but he doesn’t use it. He will get hyperfocused on doing something and gets angry when I suggest that he give it a break (ie, something is broken, it’s midnight and he has to be up for work at 6:30am).

As the ADD partner in my marriage, I have a few thoughts. First, you are quite right that it is extremely important not to take things "personally", meaning don’t ascribe meaning to them that they don’t have. An ADDer is not late because he doesn’t value his time as much as his own, for example. He didn’t forget your birthday because he doesn’t love you. Like that. On the other hand – he is still an adult in this marriage, and he needs to pull his weight. It makes perfect sense to divide up responsibilities with his ADD in mind. Certainly my H is *always* the person who holds the plane tickets! But I worry that you say you do "everything." ADD doesn’t excuse an adult from having any responsibilities. You and you H need to be able to negotiate a situation that works for both of you. He needs to listen to your frustrations and make some changes if needed. I recommend a book called "Fall in Love, Stay in Love" which includes an excellent section on how to negotiate successfully in marriage.

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Hi group, Hi, Anne, and welcome. Don’t worry about the Ricardo guy who posted a response. There are some folks who just don’t appreciate 1) the existence of ADHD and 2) ASAD’s direct approach in discussing ADHD issues.

… Such as the direct assertion that a person who has ADD blathers out an endless stream of garbage that is useless at best and occasionally far more dangerous. Moreover, any effort to recognize and/or readress such ‘blanket dismissal’ is an insult to the good charactacter of the person who made such an uneqivocal denouncement and the ng, from which she has spoken. IMO, this is a fine example of ASAD’s ‘ existence ‘ and " ASAD’s direct approach in discussing ADHD issues ". Having ADD is not an excuse for being a stupid dork … * They are unsavory and unpleasant characacters who " deserve " all that have coming to them. * They are lazy bastards who only have themselves to blame for never doing anything. * Their protests about such ineptitude merely demonstrates that they are in denial. * They are a continuous embarrassment and insult to those with who they associate. My advice to you based upon the majority opinion of this ’support’ ng is simple: Dump your pathethic loser of an ADD husband. His pathological condition is lifelong and incurable. He is one sick puppy and will be a perpetual source of embarrassment and insult. BTW, Welcome to ASAD, the ’support group’ for those who are regularly ‘victimized’ by ADD dumb-asses. Cordially, RL — MothWrangler calmly and reasonably points out … ‘ …You know, I ignore about 99 out of a 100 of Raving’s posts, but my patience is thin when it comes to his diagnosing of T1,…’ ‘…Indeed. So should every poster’s every opinion be treated the same way?’ ‘… Tolerance should have limits. No everything should be tolerated. IMO, some opinions are so harmful, or unreasonable, or so absurd that they demand a response.’ Stovepipe calmly and patiently explains … RL, this is boardering on obsession. Let it go. You are making yourself ill over a simple statement. Apologise to MW and SumB and be done with it. See http://tinyurl.com/hnvng and environ.

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Hi Kitten, Thanks for writing back I have been on the net for quite a while, so people don’t bother me, but thanks for letting me know OK, ADHD and ADD are the same things and can be used interchangably.

Erf : Thanks for that information. I didn’t realize that there were that many different levels of ADD. I don’t know which level my husband has. He hasn’t been tested since I’ve known him. He grew up when ADD wasn’t known then. He thinks it runs in his family, however. His Dad is a very fidgety 60 year old! How does your family cope with that many characteristics? If he’s not showing as much obvious hyperactivity now as he did as a child, then either he’s learned some coping mechanisms to deal with that part or that part of his ADHD is manifesting in a less obvious way.

Yes, I would agree there. I don’t have very high expectations for him at all. The only high expectation I have of him is to be able to hold down a job. I don’t even expect him to take out the garbage or mow the lawn anymore. If I ask him nicely to do something, he’s either too tired to do it or says he will do it later…which is like three years later I think doing everything and keeping him on schedule is wearing me down. A lot of people do not know that he has ADD, and I sometimes wish he would tell people why they need to be patient with him. I was more patient with him before we were married, but having to do everything myself has put a strain on this patience, sadly to say. If y’all are being flexible in your expectations from him and from each other, that will help in working with him to be more flexible in how he approaches things. But some of his behaviors probably will never change. Some of them y’all will have to accept as being "just the way he is."

Yup, I pretty have accepted a lot of them, but I can’t accept his unreliability just yet. There was one older post that I read on this NG that said that ADDers misjudge the amount of time they need, and oh, is that ever true! I mentioned this to him after I read it. LOL… sounds familiar. I wonder just what my son did with his PDA. For that matter, I wonder what I did with that nifty little planner I bought that did soooo well for me… for 5 days.

Hee hee! I thought it would sound familiar. What do you use to keep a schedule? He will get hyperfocused on doing something and gets angry when I suggest that he give it a break (ie, something is broken, it’s midnight and he has to be up for work at 6:30am). This is probably a combination of a couple of things – 1) his reaction to suggestions such as this, usually based on how it was approached as he was growing up, and 2) the way in which you make the suggestions.

You are bang on about this. Admittedly, I am still learning about how he was treated as child. I was never treated that way, so it is harder for me to understand. Also, I don’t know what will touch him off. We had an argument once, and I just happened to grab his arm to get him to pay attention to me. He ended up running out the door and driving off for half an hour. So yes, you are right about not responding well : He was treated badly growing up. He got into a lot of fights and switched schools a lot. He was either retarded or gifted depending on what the school thought. His parents didn’t seek treatment because they told him that drugs would always be a crutch and that he would never learn to cope with it. I’m not sure if he has learned to cope with it. I think he has gone through most of his life thinking that he would be a loser and a screw-up; and I hate it that he thinks about himself this way, because I don’t see him that way. I try not to be too critical and be as gentle as I can, but sometimes I’m not. I don’t think he listens well either way, actually. I definitely know that nagging doesn’t work, but making to-do lists doesn’t either. Of course, insufficient sleep plays into this. If he’s not getting enough sleep, then like anyone else, he’s not going to react as well as he would otherwise.

Indeed! He often hyperfocuses at the computer and doesn’t go to bed until 2am, so sometimes he is running on little sleep. He has gone to bed at 6pm and slept for twelve hours straight. His sleeping is pretty irregular and I suggested to him that maybe he should go to a sleep clinic. We don’t share a bed btw; we can’t afford a queen. Believe it or not, that is part of what I think played into the decline of my first marriage. Early on in the marriage, my ex would come up behind me while I was cooking, while I was cutting things, while I was washing knives, etc – and would be hurt and puzzled that I’d try to shrug off his hugs while I was handling something dangerous.

Yup…my DH always says "I’ll just leave you alone in the kitchen". I kind of dislike it when he says that, because I don’t mind him being in the kitchen, just as he keeps his hands to himself Heheh! Actually, sometimes I wonder how much of it is a guy thing and an ADD thing myself I’m glad I’m not the only one With Chewy (my NT hubby), I’ve learned to say, "Just a minute, let me set this down" or something similar, as GENTLY as I can manage (depends on how much stuff I’ve to do, how tired I am, etc), set aside what I’m working on, then turn around and give him a hug and a kiss.

Oh wow, that is such a good idea! I will have to be more observant and try to do that myself. Thanks so much for suggesting that. What was it he said about the site that offended her? This may just be my ADD brain, but if I were a pilot, I’d want to know about a site where I may be able to learn about pilot errors that resulted in crashes. Extra "training," IYKWIM. To me, it pays to have extra insight into things that may go wrong and a plan on how to approach those things if they ever happen.

Well, our neighbours have two small children, and I don’t think the wife really likes to think about becoming a widow :. She told him that she didn’t want to hear it, but he kept going on and on. He has trouble listening and, heheh, paying attention Maybe her husband has had a few near misses too. Counselling can be good for anyone, with or without ADHD. For marriage issues, though, I’ve found that I prefer something more along the lines of "marriage fitness training." It helps you strengthen your marriage, which in turn gives each of you more tools to work on the challenges of living together and loving each other.

I forgot to mention that we did take a pre-marriage course through his church, but I don’t think it really prepared us very well. I haven’t heard of marriage fitness training, but I will look into it Easy would be nice. But I’ve discovered that every time I think life’s going to get easier, a new challenge comes along. That’s just the way life is.

Oh yes The challenges certainly never stop. We have been through a lot together, with debt and being laid off. I guess if this is all I have to worry about now I should be thankful! Keep appreciating the wonderful aspects of your husband and work *together* on the challenging parts of living with one another. Too many people lose sight of the things they love about each other, focusing instead completely on the challenges. That can kill a marriage.

Thanks Kitten, it has helped a lot I probably should have come here or joined some other support group a long time ago. You have really given me a lot of things to think about. Thanks again, Anne

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If you’re looking for ADD support her, fuggetaboutit…

| Hi group, | | I have been browsing messages as of late because I would like to know | what I can do to help my husband. He has had ADD since he was a child; | he had ADHD then. I knew he had ADD when I started dating him, but it | didn’t seem as much of a problem then. He doesn’t take any | prescriptions to treat it and never has. | | It is hard to live on his planet and myself and some of our friends | have tried their best. He often can’t see the before and after effect | he has on people. It is hard for me and our friends not to take things | personally. We know he doesn’t mean it, but he doesn’t realize how many | feelings are hurt. He often promises that things won’t repeat | themselves, but invariably they do. He bought a PDA to keep him on | track of things, but he doesn’t use it. He will get hyperfocused on | doing something and gets angry when I suggest that he give it a break | (ie, something is broken, it’s midnight and he has to be up for work at | 6:30am). | | I know he doesn’t isn’t being mean or malicious, but it is hard. He | often feels hurt and rejected, but doesn’t recognize when something is | inappropriate either. For example, I appreciate that he wants to hug | me, but hugging me while I’m holding a boiling pot is not. I end up | apologizing for his behaviour to our friends and neighbours all the | time. I’m certainly not a prude or over-critical or have high standards | or something, but he really does offend people by some of the things he | says. For example, our neighbour is a pilot and he enthusiastically | told her about that black box crash recording website. She was truly | horrified and we’ve never been invited back to their place after that | : | | Should we seek counselling? Are there any lifestyle changes that help | ADD? Is drug treatment something to consider? He won’t really want to | talk to our doctor it though. | | I hope I haven’t offended anyone with this post. I truly love my | husband and appreciate the wondeful person that he is, and even his | impulsiveness. I love him, but not his behaviour sometimes. I realize | the way we live will always be "normal", but it would be nice if things | were easier. | | Thank you, | Anne |

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Hi group,

Hi, Anne, and welcome. Don’t worry about the Ricardo guy who posted a response. There are some folks who just don’t appreciate 1) the existence of ADHD and 2) ASAD’s direct approach in discussing ADHD issues. I have been browsing messages as of late because I would like to know what I can do to help my husband. He has had ADD since he was a child; he had ADHD then. I knew he had ADD when I started dating him, but it didn’t seem as much of a problem then. He doesn’t take any prescriptions to treat it and never has.

OK, ADHD and ADD are the same things and can be used interchangably. There are three recognized sub-types of ADHD: ADHD-primarily hyperactive, ADHD-primarily inattentive, and ADHD-combined. There are nine characteristics for ADHD-H and nine for ADHD-I. A person needs to exhibit 6 of 9 in a particular sub-type, at a level that is causing problems in their lives, for a diagnosis of that sub-type. ADHD-C, as it sounds, is a combination of the two other sub-types, so the person has characteristics from both of the other two sub-types. (My family has all 18 characteristics. What fun! :-/ ) If he’s not showing as much obvious hyperactivity now as he did as a child, then either he’s learned some coping mechanisms to deal with that part or that part of his ADHD is manifesting in a less obvious way. It is hard to live on his planet and myself and some of our friends have tried their best. He often can’t see the before and after effect he has on people. It is hard for me and our friends not to take things personally. We know he doesn’t mean it, but he doesn’t realize how many feelings are hurt. He often promises that things won’t repeat themselves, but invariably they do.

I hate to say this, but from *my* perspective, part of this is due to his ADHD and part of it is due to the inflexibility of most NTs (neuro-typicals – people with "normal" neurology). IME, most NTs expect everyone else to think and to function the way they do. Not happenin’! If y’all are being flexible in your expectations from him and from each other, that will help in working with him to be more flexible in how he approaches things. But some of his behaviors probably will never change. Some of them y’all will have to accept as being "just the way he is." He bought a PDA to keep him on track of things, but he doesn’t use it.

LOL… sounds familiar. I wonder just what my son did with his PDA. For that matter, I wonder what I did with that nifty little planner I bought that did soooo well for me… for 5 days. He will get hyperfocused on doing something and gets angry when I suggest that he give it a break (ie, something is broken, it’s midnight and he has to be up for work at 6:30am).

This is probably a combination of a couple of things – 1) his reaction to suggestions such as this, usually based on how it was approached as he was growing up, and 2) the way in which you make the suggestions. How were things like this approached by his parents, the school(s) he went to, etc? I find that I tend to have emotional reactions to certain things that I probably *shouldn’t* have quite so much reaction to, based on experiences when I was growing up. If my husband, children, or someone else approaches something in a manner that subconsciously reminds me of a hurtful situation in the past, I often don’t respond well. It’s taken me becoming more aware of why I react the ways I do, sitting down with my husband and kiddos to talk to them about it, and them working to approach things in a different way while I work on reacting in a different way. Of course, insufficient sleep plays into this. If he’s not getting enough sleep, then like anyone else, he’s not going to react as well as he would otherwise. I know he doesn’t isn’t being mean or malicious, but it is hard. He often feels hurt and rejected, but doesn’t recognize when something is inappropriate either. For example, I appreciate that he wants to hug me, but hugging me while I’m holding a boiling pot is not.

LOL… this sounds SOOOOO familiar! I really think that’s a "guy thing" and not an ADHD thing. Believe it or not, that is part of what I think played into the decline of my first marriage. Early on in the marriage, my ex would come up behind me while I was cooking, while I was cutting things, while I was washing knives, etc – and would be hurt and puzzled that I’d try to shrug off his hugs while I was handling something dangerous. With Chewy (my NT hubby), I’ve learned to say, "Just a minute, let me set this down" or something similar, as GENTLY as I can manage (depends on how much stuff I’ve to do, how tired I am, etc), set aside what I’m working on, then turn around and give him a hug and a kiss. He’s actually getting to where he notices more what I’m doing and holding back a bit on the affection when I’m in the middle of something that’s going to make me nervous if he hugs me from behind. But it’s taken time for us to get to that point. I end up apologizing for his behaviour to our friends and neighbours all the time. I’m certainly not a prude or over-critical or have high standards or something, but he really does offend people by some of the things he says. For example, our neighbour is a pilot and he enthusiastically told her about that black box crash recording website. She was truly horrified and we’ve never been invited back to their place after that :

What was it he said about the site that offended her? This may just be my ADD brain, but if I were a pilot, I’d want to know about a site where I may be able to learn about pilot errors that resulted in crashes. Extra "training," IYKWIM. To me, it pays to have extra insight into things that may go wrong and a plan on how to approach those things if they ever happen. Should we seek counselling? Are there any lifestyle changes that help ADD? Is drug treatment something to consider? He won’t really want to talk to our doctor it though.

Counselling can be good for anyone, with or without ADHD. For marriage issues, though, I’ve found that I prefer something more along the lines of "marriage fitness training." It helps you strengthen your marriage, which in turn gives each of you more tools to work on the challenges of living together and loving each other. I hope I haven’t offended anyone with this post. I truly love my husband and appreciate the wondeful person that he is, and even his impulsiveness. I love him, but not his behaviour sometimes. I realize the way we live will always be "normal", but it would be nice if things were easier.

Easy would be nice. But I’ve discovered that every time I think life’s going to get easier, a new challenge comes along. That’s just the way life is. Keep appreciating the wonderful aspects of your husband and work *together* on the challenging parts of living with one another. Too many people lose sight of the things they love about each other, focusing instead completely on the challenges. That can kill a marriage. HTH, Kitten

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Linden Method

admin — Thu, 01 Jun 2006 00:00:00 +0000

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Consider yourself lucky that you know a little about what you are dealing with at a young age. Many of us went many years without a diagnosis. I drank to combat it. Before I knew it 25 years had passed and I was a full blown suicidal alcoholic. Also, I had a little bit of a controversial question.. I used to smoke marijuana (about once a month). Since I had this, I have been smoking it once a week (weekends) and everytime I smoke I dont get any panics that day. I am not sure if in the long run this is adversely affect it, but does anyone have any options on it.. positive or negative?

Back in the day when I smoked pot it only made my anxiety worse… actually it may have been making my paranoia worse… which is an entirely different problem. I never heard of it with pot, but with alcohol you will get "rebound anxiety". The next day it comes back worse than before. Be sure that doesn’t happen with the pot or you could end up taking a 25 year journey through hell like I did. I won’t tell you not to do it. We all are different. Just remember that just because it’s natural, doesn’t mean it’s good for you. THanks again for all your help.. it is very much appreciated.

You are quite welcome. That’s what this place is all about! Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey guys.. first of all i would like to thank all of you for replying back. I really really appreciate all your replies. You cannot possibly imagine how good I felt after reading your repiles.. Its very hard for me to talk about this to anyone, as no one can really quite understand what I am talking about. Certainly done blame anyone for htat, as its hard enough for me to articulate my feelings into words. The reason I was so impressed by the Linden method (as I am sure others were too) is because the website so articulatley described all MY feelings.. MY feelings that I myself wasn’t able to capture in words.. A look at it told me its a scam, but hope thats so eternal in human minds, made me more inquisitive. I also took a positive indiacation from the fact that amazon.com does not have a single bad review about it. I agree its easy enough to have good reviews for a product, but pretty hard not to have a bad review, right? If anyone has tried it and stll has the sample audio stored on their computer somewhere, would you mind sharing it? If it works for me, I will certainly mail a cheque of double the amount to Mr. Linden. I just dont want to feel scammed.. as I believe it will somehow worsen my situation.. so if someone has any material that I can ‘try out’ it will be more than appreciated OK.. sorry for the huge rant on Linden. Its just about the only positive (and seemingly too good to be true) thing I have come across in a while and am hoping against all hope that Mr. Linden is an honest man. On the other spectrum I am going to go see my doc (pediatrician) next week, and going to dish out the idea of cognitive therapy to see if he can recommend someone. For a while I was trying to stay in denial thinking that its only a phase that I will pass through.. I am learning to accept now that I do have a ‘problem’, and better to face it and try to get some help, then beating around the bush. In response to taking Niravam as need, I am afraid that I will get ‘addicted’ to it. Will talk to my doc about it next week.. any feedback from you guys? How have you been handling it.? At 22 am I too young to be making this medicatoin a daily part of my life, or is it something thats necessary and I should learn to live with? For the past few weeks the worst thing for me has been increased heartbeats which kind of scares me and am assuming fuels the anxiety. Chest pains have relatively decreased, but does rapid heartbeat thing also happen to others? When it gets bad to a point that I start getting scared I take half a pill of Niravam. – Also my doc said that the anxiety could be due to stress (I work on wall street). Could a physiotherapist help out w/stress? I am already trying to cut down on the stress at work – Could massages help out in these cases? Tony, Jim, Jackie.. thank you all very much for your responses. I really do appreciate it. Its the first time I have spoken about my feeligns to someone.. you cannot possibly imagine how much this has meant so me.. Also, I had a little bit of a controversial question.. I used to smoke marijuana (about once a month). Since I had this, I have been smoking it once a week (weekends) and everytime I smoke I dont get any panics that day. I am not sure if in the long run this is adversely affect it, but does anyone have any options on it.. positive or negative? THanks again for all your help.. it is very much appreciated.

Hi, I must have somehow missed your first post.. Welcome to the group! You are in a safe, supportive place, with many knowlegable people willing to help you understand your condtion. You are young. The older you get, the more you will find that most things that look too good to be true - usually are. I’d file the Linden Method under that heading .. because I don’t know anybody who’s conquered anxiety instantly, like that ad suggests. I wish I did ;( — It’s the same thing as those diet pill ads with the before and after pictures.. They tell you what you want to hear so you’ll pay the money.. they just want money, I promise you.. we wouldn’t have a support group if there were *any* instant cures for anxiety and panic. It’s not a death sentence. You CAN learn to cope with it. It does not have to ruin your life.. but it takes work, it takes medication at times. I am not familiar with the medication you are taking, but you may get by on only an occasional, as needed dose. I have had times when I took no medication for a few months. I have had times I have to take it all day every day. It seems to vary. I don’t worry about addiction nearly as much as I worry about having a panic attack. If you have enough bad ones, and get relief from a pill, you will understand where I am coming from. There are people here that can explain to you what addiction is vs. what dependence is.. there is a difference. I do understand about feeling young and not wanting to take a pill everyday. I’m way older than you, and I feel the same way. I have lived undiagnosed and untreated, and I have llved diagnosed, with medication. I’ll take the latter one, anyday. Sometimes, nothing but medication works. Sometimes you can work through the anxiety with techniques you can learn in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. Either way, the good news is that you have this disorder in a day and time where it can be treated and you can cope with it. If you had this 100 years ago, you’d be up the creek. Now, uh.. let’s get this straight? You are uneasy about taking a medication that a doctor prescribes, but you are willing to smoke pot? Think on that one, awhile. If the rationale is that pot is not addictive, that is true. It’s also true that pot is loaded with more tar than cigarettes. It’s also true (and I know what I’m talking about) that the people that you get the pot from usually have other goods to sell, and before you know it, you’re doing lots more than pot. It’s also true that many schizophrenic patients will swear to you their disorder came from smoking pot. I’m not claiming pot causes schizophrenia, but try and tell that to a schizophrenic that believes it does. I have read that there could be a corealation. Personally, I don’t recommend pot to anyone with any sort of mental disorder of any kind, and I smoked more pot in the 70’s than you will if you live to be 300. I just do not think it is a wise choice. Any form of self medication is unwise, and also, stay away from alcohol.. it will increase, not decrease your anxiety. Let the doctor treat your anxiety.. not you. I also recommend getting a psychiatrist that is qualified to treat you for this. A pediatrician does not have the proper education on this subject. 22 is old enough to have a grown up doctor, I’d had 2 kids by the time I was your age. As to the course of the disorder, and will you have this forever, etc.. no body can tell you. I know of some who have very long, extended periods (years) without anxiety, and it comes back later in life. I’ve gone months without needing any medication, myself. I think that’s an individual thing.. not predictable. You CAN choose to look at it as something horrible, and awful and doomed for life, etc.. or you can see it as something you can and will learn to deal with over time. The way you want to view it, that’s up to you. I pick the second way myself. That first way isn’t too helpful. It will increase your anxiety to see it like that. That is one of the things you will learn in CBT. You take care, you come back often. Read and post, and educate yourself. Things are less scary the more you understand them.. again, welcome. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hey guys.. first of all i would like to thank all of you for replying back. I really really appreciate all your replies. You cannot possibly imagine how good I felt after reading your repiles.. Its very hard for me to talk about this to anyone, as no one can really quite understand what I am talking about. Certainly done blame anyone for htat, as its hard enough for me to articulate my feelings into words. The reason I was so impressed by the Linden method (as I am sure others were too) is because the website so articulatley described all MY feelings.. MY feelings that I myself wasn’t able to capture in words.. A look at it told me its a scam, but hope thats so eternal in human minds, made me more inquisitive. I also took a positive indiacation from the fact that amazon.com does not have a single bad review about it. I agree its easy enough to have good reviews for a product, but pretty hard not to have a bad review, right? If anyone has tried it and stll has the sample audio stored on their computer somewhere, would you mind sharing it? If it works for me, I will certainly mail a cheque of double the amount to Mr. Linden. I just dont want to feel scammed.. as I believe it will somehow worsen my situation.. so if someone has any material that I can ‘try out’ it will be more than appreciated OK.. sorry for the huge rant on Linden. Its just about the only positive (and seemingly too good to be true) thing I have come across in a while and am hoping against all hope that Mr. Linden is an honest man. On the other spectrum I am going to go see my doc (pediatrician) next week, and going to dish out the idea of cognitive therapy to see if he can recommend someone. For a while I was trying to stay in denial thinking that its only a phase that I will pass through.. I am learning to accept now that I do have a ‘problem’, and better to face it and try to get some help, then beating around the bush. In response to taking Niravam as need, I am afraid that I will get ‘addicted’ to it. Will talk to my doc about it next week.. any feedback from you guys? How have you been handling it.? At 22 am I too young to be making this medicatoin a daily part of my life, or is it something thats necessary and I should learn to live with? For the past few weeks the worst thing for me has been increased heartbeats which kind of scares me and am assuming fuels the anxiety. Chest pains have relatively decreased, but does rapid heartbeat thing also happen to others? When it gets bad to a point that I start getting scared I take half a pill of Niravam. – Also my doc said that the anxiety could be due to stress (I work on wall street). Could a physiotherapist help out w/stress? I am already trying to cut down on the stress at work – Could massages help out in these cases? Tony, Jim, Jackie.. thank you all very much for your responses. I really do appreciate it. Its the first time I have spoken about my feeligns to someone.. you cannot possibly imagine how much this has meant so me.. Also, I had a little bit of a controversial question.. I used to smoke marijuana (about once a month). Since I had this, I have been smoking it once a week (weekends) and everytime I smoke I dont get any panics that day. I am not sure if in the long run this is adversely affect it, but does anyone have any options on it.. positive or negative? THanks again for all your help.. it is very much appreciated. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ::1. I try to refrain from taking Niravam as i dont want to get too ::dependent on it. Is this the correct thinking of will my situation ::worsen if I dont take the medication? I have been learning to control ::my pains a little and often just suffer through the pain w/o doing ::anything, but sometimes they are just too much and I pop a pill ::(usually once a week). After finding out that they are symptoms of ::anxiety and not a dangerous physical condition, i can try to control ::it. Welcome to ASAPM! There is nothing wrong in wanting to take as little meds as possible. Learning better coping skills and changing your negative thinking could work as well as the niravam. That is why I highly recommend cognitive behavioral therapy. Here are some informative links on cognitive behavioral therapy…. http://panicdisorder.about.com/cs/therapycbt/ http://www.cognitivetherapy.com/ http://panicdisorder.about.com/cs/therapycbt/a/cbtintro.htm ::2. The pains in the left chest area, sometimes streching out the the ::back and left arm.. is this ‘normal’ for anxiety disorder? Chest pain seems to be a pretty common symptom of anxiety and panic. I believe only your doctor can tell you if the stretching out pain is normal for ‘you’. Here you will find all sorts of self-help techniques like deep breathing and muscle relaxation exercises that can help decrease your anxiety….. which in turn could lessen the chest pain. http://panicdisorder.about.com/od/selfhelp/ ::3. I am trying to find as much info as I can about it, and stumbled ::upon a popular (from amazon.com reviews, ::http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0954980301/ref=cm_) ::and infamous on google groups, Linden Method. Has anyone PERSONALLY ::tried it? I am certainly willing to dish out $100 if that can mean a ::cure to my anxiety, but dont want to be left w/the feeling of being ::cheated, as I somehow feel it will aggravate my anxiety.. In all my years of reading the anxiety groups, I haven`t come across one person that was helped by the Linden method. In my opinion, if it was effective, we would have heard by now Save your money, go to your local library…. and check out the following books. You will get a lot more out of these books than the Linden method. "A Guide to Rational Living", by Albert Ellis, Ph.D "Feeling Good, The New Mood Therapy", by David D. Burns, M.D. "How to Control Your Anxiety, Before it Controls You", by Albert Ellis, Ph.D "The Anxiety & Phobia Workbook", by Edmund J., Ph.D. Bourne Good luck! Jackie ~*~Time heals all wounds, unless you pick at them~*~ ~~Shawn Alexander — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::1. I try to refrain from taking Niravam as i dont want to get too ::dependent on it. Is this the correct thinking of will my situation ::worsen if I dont take the medication? I have been learning to control ::my pains a little and often just suffer through the pain w/o doing ::anything, but sometimes they are just too much and I pop a pill ::(usually once a week). After finding out that they are symptoms of ::anxiety and not a dangerous physical condition, i can try to control ::it. Welcome to ASAPM! There is nothing wrong in wanting to take as little meds as possible. Learning better coping skills and changing your negative thinking could work as well as the niravam. That is why I highly recommend cognitive behavioral therapy. Here are some informative links on cognitive behavioral therapy…. http://panicdisorder.about.com/cs/therapycbt/ http://www.cognitivetherapy.com/ http://panicdisorder.about.com/cs/therapycbt/a/cbtintro.htm ::2. The pains in the left chest area, sometimes streching out the the ::back and left arm.. is this ‘normal’ for anxiety disorder? Chest pain seems to be a pretty common symptom of anxiety and panic. I believe only your doctor can tell you if the stretching out pain is normal for ‘you’. Here you will find all sorts of self-help techniques like deep breathing and muscle relaxation exercises that can help decrease your anxiety….. which in turn could lessen the chest pain. http://panicdisorder.about.com/od/selfhelp/ ::3. I am trying to find as much info as I can about it, and stumbled ::upon a popular (from amazon.com reviews, ::http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0954980301/ref=cm_) ::and infamous on google groups, Linden Method. Has anyone PERSONALLY ::tried it? I am certainly willing to dish out $100 if that can mean a ::cure to my anxiety, but dont want to be left w/the feeling of being ::cheated, as I somehow feel it will aggravate my anxiety.. In all my years of reading the anxiety groups, I haven`t come across one person that was helped by the Linden method. In my opinion, if it was effective, we would have heard by now Save your money, go to your local library…. and check out the following books. You will get a lot more out of these books than the Linden method. "A Guide to Rational Living", by Albert Ellis, Ph.D "Feeling Good, The New Mood Therapy", by David D. Burns, M.D. "How to Control Your Anxiety, Before it Controls You", by Albert Ellis, Ph.D "The Anxiety & Phobia Workbook", by Edmund J., Ph.D. Bourne Good luck! Jackie ~*~Time heals all wounds, unless you pick at them~*~ ~~Shawn Alexander — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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3. I am trying to find as much info as I can about it, and stumbled upon a popular (from amazon.com reviews, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0954980301/ref=cm_c…) and infamous on google groups, Linden Method. Has anyone PERSONALLY tried it? I am certainly willing to dish out $100 if that can mean a cure to my anxiety, but dont want to be left w/the feeling of being cheated, as I somehow feel it will aggravate my anxiety..

I’ve been around here for more than a few years and I don’t think we have had one good report on "The Linden Method". Like you, everyone of us would have gladly dished out $100 for a cure. Problem is that it’s bullshit. Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Sorry to hear about you developing this junk. I was 22 when I had my first panic attack as well. 1. I try to refrain from taking Niravam as i dont want to get too dependent on it. Is this the correct thinking of will my situation worsen if I dont take the medication? I have been learning to control my pains a little and often just suffer through the pain w/o doing anything, but sometimes they are just too much and I pop a pill (usually once a week). After finding out that they are symptoms of anxiety and not a dangerous physical condition, i can try to control it.

Have you had a medical check-up to make sure everything is OK? There are a lot of people that take Xanax/alprazolam only when needed. It is up to you how you should take it. If it helps, why not use it more often so that you feel better most of the time instead of just once a week? There are also better benzodiazepines that you could take IMO. Xanax is fast acting but wears off really fast and many people have to take it many times a day. Have you gone to see a psychiatrist? That is your best option IMO, since a psychiatrist will have the best knowledge about anxiety disorders and treatment methods. 2. The pains in the left chest area, sometimes streching out the the back and left arm.. is this ‘normal’ for anxiety disorder?

As long as you got a good check-up from your doctor, then yes it can be "normal". Anxiety can cause all kinds of scary side-effects: nausea, confusion, rapid heart beat, tightness of breadth, etc. 3. I am trying to find as much info as I can about it, and stumbled upon a popular (from amazon.com reviews, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0954980301/ref=cm_c…) and infamous on google groups, Linden Method. Has anyone PERSONALLY tried it? I am certainly willing to dish out $100 if that can mean a cure to my anxiety, but dont want to be left w/the feeling of being cheated, as I somehow feel it will aggravate my anxiety..

Hmmmm. I bought the Linden method. Basically it is a type of therapy where the Linden guy believes that the symptoms are all in your head and you can retrain your brain and be symptom free. It sounds great. However, before I bought it, I could not find *1* source on the Internet that verified it as a valid treatment option. I bought it anyway because I wanted to get better. I purchased the download version. I later deleted it from my hard drive and just accepted the fact that I wasted more than $100. The only places on the Internet that have "positive" reviews are the Linden web site and some feedback-type sites. It is real easy for people from the Linden company to just create some dummy Amazon users and give it great reviews. The Linden method claims 95% and 100% success (the site is not consistent). However, the way the Linden method comes up with those number is if it doesn’t work for you, they say you didn’t do it right and don’t count you. Honestly, there is no cure for anxiety disorders. There are treatments, however I know of no single treatment that can claim a 90% or better success rate. If there were a treatment for anxiety disorders that worked for 90% of the people who tried it, *every* doctor would know about it and it would always be the first treatment option. 4. I would love to hear anything else anyone else can say about it.. Any response will be highly appreciated. Cheers,

I Wish you the best, Jim — You roll an 18 in Dex and see if you don’t end up with a girlfriend JimD Central FL, USA, Earth, Sol — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, I am 22 years old and was recently diagnosed w/anxiety disorder. Used to be an avid adventurer (skydiving, paragliding, rock climbing, the whole bit..). the more i read about it the better i feel.. i do get a lot of chest pains, on the left side of my chest and that is usually my biggest worry as i fear a heart attack.. reading so much about it does make me feel a LOT better that I am not the only one.. it does happen to many people and does not result in a mortal catastrophe. besides my rant, now my goal is to certainly get over this uneasiness. My doctor has prescribed Niravam for me. I certainly feel that it works when I get them unwanted pains throughout my body. I just wanted to put a few questions out there that someone from this support group could help me with.. 1. I try to refrain from taking Niravam as i dont want to get too dependent on it. Is this the correct thinking of will my situation worsen if I dont take the medication? I have been learning to control my pains a little and often just suffer through the pain w/o doing anything, but sometimes they are just too much and I pop a pill (usually once a week). After finding out that they are symptoms of anxiety and not a dangerous physical condition, i can try to control it. 2. The pains in the left chest area, sometimes streching out the the back and left arm.. is this ‘normal’ for anxiety disorder? 3. I am trying to find as much info as I can about it, and stumbled upon a popular (from amazon.com reviews, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0954980301/ref=cm_c…) and infamous on google groups, Linden Method. Has anyone PERSONALLY tried it? I am certainly willing to dish out $100 if that can mean a cure to my anxiety, but dont want to be left w/the feeling of being cheated, as I somehow feel it will aggravate my anxiety.. 4. I would love to hear anything else anyone else can say about it.. Any response will be highly appreciated. Cheers, — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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