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OT – Artistic Movies

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"Doug Anderson" <ethelthe…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:A%EXb.37988$yE5.135940@attbi_s54… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "JWB" <nospam1…@noplace.com> writes: > > "Doug Anderson" <ethelthe…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:ySEXb.40443$_44.36027@attbi_s52… > > > "JWB" <nospam1…@noplace.com> writes: > > > > "Doug Anderson" <ethelthe…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > And another movie I’ve seen recently, > > > > > made in the US, which I’d classify as artistic was "Dark City." It is > > > > > the movie "The Matrix" might have been if the makers had trusted their > > > > > audience to have a brain. > > > > Dark City is a really good movie. It was obviously inspired by > > "Metropolis", > > > > which I’d highly recommend seeing (the new restored version). > > > Yeah, it made me think of Metropolis too, though I haven’t seen the > > > restored version.  I should watch that.  And watch Dark City again. > > It’s *really* good. It looks great, and the restoration added back every > > scene that could be found (a lot was missing from previous cuts). It also > > uses title cards to fill in the parts of the story that were lost forever, > > so the movie’s plot now actually makes sense. > Now if only someone can do that last trick for Tarkovsky’s "Solaris!"

#1 in my netflix queue!

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Bill in Co wrote: > Why is it that the artistic type of films (such as Amelie, Blue, Chocolat, Wild > Strawberries, etc), always seem to come out of the other countries (e.g: > Europe), and not over here in the States?    Does this say something about our > culture, or the lack thereof?    Or am I missing something here?

Actually it says that American artistic  films are difficult to market, because people want to see something foreign.

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LordThompson wrote: > Bill in Co wrote: >> Why is it that the artistic type of films (such as Amelie, Blue, Chocolat, >> Wild Strawberries, etc), always seem to come out of the other countries (e.g: >> Europe), and not over here in the States?    Does this say something about >> our culture, or the lack thereof?    Or am I missing something here? > Actually it says that American artistic  films are difficult to market, > because people want to see something foreign.

Now that is an interesting perspective I hadn’t thought of.    I was attributing it more to the (presumably) different tastes of the typical American movie-goer, vs, say, the typical European movie-goer.    Which I’m still not sure is totally invalid, since Europe has MUCH MUCH more history and art than we do – like *centuries* more, and generally less emphasis on crass materialism.    And (presumably) less emphasis on making the formulaic "Hollywood-scripted", big ticket item, whiz-bang, "adventure" films like we do.

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"Bill in Co" <Lost In T…@earthlink.net> writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> LordThompson wrote: > > Bill in Co wrote: > >> Why is it that the artistic type of films (such as Amelie, Blue, Chocolat, > >> Wild Strawberries, etc), always seem to come out of the other countries > (e.g: > >> Europe), and not over here in the States?    Does this say something about > >> our culture, or the lack thereof?    Or am I missing something here? > > Actually it says that American artistic  films are difficult to market, > > because people want to see something foreign. > Now that is an interesting perspective I hadn’t thought of.    I was > attributing it more to the (presumably) different tastes of the typical > American movie-goer, vs, say, the typical European movie-goer.    Which I’m > still not sure is totally invalid, since Europe has MUCH MUCH more history and > art than we do – like *centuries* more, and generally less emphasis on crass > materialism.    And (presumably) less emphasis on making the formulaic > "Hollywood-scripted", big ticket item, whiz-bang, "adventure" films like we do.

Except that the typical European movie-goer, goes to see big budget Hollywood movies.  So, no, Europe doesn’t _make_ as many of this type of movie as the US does, but they _watch_ just as many of them!

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"cloaked" <cloakedrun2…@NOSPAM.yahoo.ca> wrote in message

news:402f1175.2801488@news.fu-berlin.de… > Well I liked Chocolat. I would not have called it and "artistic" film, > it was simply a GOOD movie that was not full of blood, guts, cars, > cRAP music, foul language, and gratuitous sex. (Not that I have > anything against gratuitous sex in general). > If that is what it takes to be an "artistic" film these days, then > bring it on. :) > When I think of "artistic" films, I think of weird stuff like "The > Cook, the Theif, His Wife, Her Lover". Now THAT was an "artistic" > film. It was strange, weird, bizarre, and made no sense whatsoever. In > short – it SUCKED.

Five words,… "The Gods Must Be Crazy" I may not know art,…but I know what I like.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"YooperBoyka" <cj.don’tw…@no.spam> writes: > "cloaked" <cloakedrun2…@NOSPAM.yahoo.ca> wrote in message > news:402f1175.2801488@news.fu-berlin.de… > > Well I liked Chocolat. I would not have called it and "artistic" film, > > it was simply a GOOD movie that was not full of blood, guts, cars, > > cRAP music, foul language, and gratuitous sex. (Not that I have > > anything against gratuitous sex in general). > > If that is what it takes to be an "artistic" film these days, then > > bring it on. :) > > When I think of "artistic" films, I think of weird stuff like "The > > Cook, the Theif, His Wife, Her Lover". Now THAT was an "artistic" > > film. It was strange, weird, bizarre, and made no sense whatsoever. In > > short – it SUCKED. > Five words,… > "The Gods Must Be Crazy" > I may not know art,…but I know what I like.

yeah, that was an amusing movie!

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"Doug Anderson" <ethelthe…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:bZFXb.183366$U%5.906773@attbi_s03… > > Five words,… > > "The Gods Must Be Crazy" > > I may not know art,…but I know what I like. > yeah, that was an amusing movie!

I’m of the opinion that when some people talk about "artistic" films, what they mean, in a sideways way, is "not Hollywood". Some of the highest art made in the twentieth century came from Hollywood, IMHO. I’m odd, I’ll admit,…but I’ll put "Cool Hand Luke" up there. An old story made fresh by great characters.

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"YooperBoyka" <cj.don’tw…@no.spam> writes: > "Doug Anderson" <ethelthe…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:bZFXb.183366$U%5.906773@attbi_s03… > > > Five words,… > > > "The Gods Must Be Crazy" > > > I may not know art,…but I know what I like. > > yeah, that was an amusing movie! > I’m of the opinion that when some people talk about > "artistic" films, what they mean, in a sideways way, > is "not Hollywood".

Some people might mean that.  It isn’t what I think about when I think of artistic films.  I think of films that try to express something in a novel way, or try to communicate a new idea.  I think of good acting and of story-telling that gives you new insights about people. > Some of the highest art made in the twentieth century > came from Hollywood, IMHO.

I’d agree with the _some_, but that’s as far as I’d go. On the other hand, although I don’t think Hollywood is especially good at art, they’ve produced a lot of movies which are just great story-telling, whether they’re art or not. > I’m odd, I’ll admit,…but I’ll put "Cool Hand Luke" up there. > An old story made fresh by great characters.

What we have here is a failure to communicate!

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"Doug Anderson" <ethelthe…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:ySEXb.40443$_44.36027@attbi_s52… > "JWB" <nospam1…@noplace.com> writes: > > "Doug Anderson" <ethelthe…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

And another movie I’ve seen recently, > > > made in the US, which I’d classify as artistic was "Dark City."  It is > > > the movie "The Matrix" might have been if the makers had trusted their > > > audience to have a brain. > > Dark City is a really good movie. It was obviously inspired by "Metropolis", > > which I’d highly recommend seeing (the new restored version). > Yeah, it made me think of Metropolis too, though I haven’t seen the > restored version.  I should watch that.  And watch Dark City again.

It’s *really* good. It looks great, and the restoration added back every scene that could be found (a lot was missing from previous cuts). It also uses title cards to fill in the parts of the story that were lost forever, so the movie’s plot now actually makes sense.

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"JWB" <nospam1…@noplace.com> wrote in message

news:M2FXb.205460$4F2.27158046@twister.nyc.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Doug Anderson" <ethelthe…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:A%EXb.37988$yE5.135940@attbi_s54… > > "JWB" <nospam1…@noplace.com> writes: > > > "Doug Anderson" <ethelthe…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > > news:ySEXb.40443$_44.36027@attbi_s52… > > > > "JWB" <nospam1…@noplace.com> writes: > > > > > "Doug Anderson" <ethelthe…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > > And another movie I’ve seen recently, > > > > > > made in the US, which I’d classify as artistic was "Dark City." > It is > > > > > > the movie "The Matrix" might have been if the makers had trusted > their > > > > > > audience to have a brain. > > > > > Dark City is a really good movie. It was obviously inspired by > > > "Metropolis", > > > > > which I’d highly recommend seeing (the new restored version). > > > > Yeah, it made me think of Metropolis too, though I haven’t seen the > > > > restored version.  I should watch that.  And watch Dark City again. > > > It’s *really* good. It looks great, and the restoration added back every > > > scene that could be found (a lot was missing from previous cuts). It > also > > > uses title cards to fill in the parts of the story that were lost > forever, > > > so the movie’s plot now actually makes sense. > > Now if only someone can do that last trick for Tarkovsky’s "Solaris!" > #1 in my netflix queue!

 I just joined NetFlix. How are you liking it?

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"Doug Anderson" <ethelthe…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:SFEXb.40411$_44.35053@attbi_s52… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> cloakedrun2…@NOSPAM.yahoo.ca (cloaked) writes: > > Well I liked Chocolat. I would not have called it and "artistic" film, > > it was simply a GOOD movie that was not full of blood, guts, cars, > > cRAP music, foul language, and gratuitous sex. (Not that I have > > anything against gratuitous sex in general). > > If that is what it takes to be an "artistic" film these days, then > > bring it on. :) > > When I think of "artistic" films, I think of weird stuff like "The > > Cook, the Theif, His Wife, Her Lover". Now THAT was an "artistic" > > film. It was strange, weird, bizarre, and made no sense whatsoever. In > > short – it SUCKED. > I’m not a big fan of Peter Greenaway.  But I didn’t think Amelie or > Chocolat were very good either.

I agree, Chocolat was ok, but not good. I think women may have liked it more than men because of Johnny Depp(?). > For a good "artistic" film, I’d strongly recommend "The Station Agent" > which is a recent _american_ film.  Another really interesting recent > american movie with little violence and no gratuitous sex was John > Sayles’s "Limbo."  More violence, but very artistic and really well > put together was "Memento."  And another movie I’ve seen recently, > made in the US, which I’d classify as artistic was "Dark City."  It is > the movie "The Matrix" might have been if the makers had trusted their > audience to have a brain.

I very muched like "Momento", because of the twist. I saw "Limbo" as well and I remember it as being pretty good. Nice performance by David Strathairn. I would recommend "Kiss of the Spider Woman" to Bill if I thought he wouldn’t totally freak out. Maybe "La Cage aux Folles" Here are two absolutely great Mexican movies. "Habla Con Ellea" (Talk To Her) "Y Tu Mama Tambien" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We have plenty of good artistic films in the US.  They just don’t get > as much screen time as "Star Wars: Attack of the Clowns" or > "Terminator VII: Day of Reckoning."  And they are often not promoted > by the big studios.  After all which made more money for the studios – > "Wild Strawberries" or "American Pie?" > I think many of the best movies in the world are made in the U.S.  But > they mostly aren’t the ones promoted by the big studios. > > On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:07:59 GMT, "Bill in Co" <Lost In > > T…@earthlink.net> wrote: > > >Why is it that the artistic type of films (such as Amelie, Blue, Chocolat, Wild > > >Strawberries, etc), always seem to come out of the other countries (e.g: > > >Europe), and not over here in the States?    Does this say something about our > > >culture, or the lack thereof?    Or am I missing something here?

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"Bill in Co" <Lost In T…@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:joBXb.4245$tL3.2436@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net… > Why is it that the artistic type of films (such as Amelie, Blue, Chocolat, Wild > Strawberries, etc), always seem to come out of the other countries (e.g: > Europe), and not over here in the States?    Does this say something about our > culture, or the lack thereof?    Or am I missing something here?

Your missing something Bill. Great movies come from everywhere. It is all about what you take away from the movie. Some movies make you think about stuff that is new to you. Some make you examine your own positions in life. Some are just to make you feel good. Human emotions are universal. Good movies strike the harmonic chords that we all understand.

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"Bill in Co" <Lost In T…@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:5NFXb.4451$WW3.1492@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> LordThompson wrote: > > Bill in Co wrote: > >> Why is it that the artistic type of films (such as Amelie, Blue, Chocolat, > >> Wild Strawberries, etc), always seem to come out of the other countries > (e.g: > >> Europe), and not over here in the States?    Does this say something about > >> our culture, or the lack thereof?    Or am I missing something here? > > Actually it says that American artistic  films are difficult to market, > > because people want to see something foreign. > Now that is an interesting perspective I hadn’t thought of.    I was > attributing it more to the (presumably) different tastes of the typical > American movie-goer, vs, say, the typical European movie-goer.    Which I’m > still not sure is totally invalid, since Europe has MUCH MUCH more history and > art than we do – like *centuries* more, and generally less emphasis on crass > materialism.    And (presumably) less emphasis on making the formulaic > "Hollywood-scripted", big ticket item, whiz-bang, "adventure" films like

we do. Europeans watch TONS of blockbuster, Hollywood-style movies. They’re called–Hollywood movies. Movies like Terminator and Jurassic Park play to HUGE audiences in London and Paris–big than films like Blue, I will guarantee you.  Europe doesn’t produce as many blockbuster, Hollywood-style movies as we do because we do it for them, and usually do it very well. Of course, Americans also tend to place a lot of cachet on something simply because it’s "foreign"–that hip little French bistro seems to be so much more . . . "it" . . . than the American fusion place, even though American fusion cuisine is usually far more innovative and artistic than bistro fare.

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Shashay Doofray wrote: >>I think many of the best movies in the world are made in the U.S.  But >>they mostly aren’t the ones promoted by the big studios. > I agree with your statements.  Even  more frustrating is the fact that > unless you live in a really big city, you will NEVER have the opportunity to > see any of these find movies.  Not even on video unless you want to get the > old "deer in the headlights" look from the tweeny behind the counter. > Luckily, you can purchase them through the internet if you have the desire > and want to spend the money.

You can also rent them via the internet. Netflix.. Free postage. Distribution Centers all over the US.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -YooperBoyka wrote: > "cloaked" <cloakedrun2…@NOSPAM.yahoo.ca> wrote in message > news:402f1175.2801488@news.fu-berlin.de… >>Well I liked Chocolat. I would not have called it and "artistic" film, >>it was simply a GOOD movie that was not full of blood, guts, cars, >>cRAP music, foul language, and gratuitous sex. (Not that I have >>anything against gratuitous sex in general). >>If that is what it takes to be an "artistic" film these days, then >>bring it on. :) >>When I think of "artistic" films, I think of weird stuff like "The >>Cook, the Theif, His Wife, Her Lover". Now THAT was an "artistic" >>film. It was strange, weird, bizarre, and made no sense whatsoever. In >>short – it SUCKED. > Five words,… > "The Gods Must Be Crazy" > I may not know art,…but I know what I like.

The Gods Must Be Crazy Runtime: 109 min Country: Botswana I think "Frida" was an American production. (At least the director was American)

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For "artistic" movies, you might want to check out the IFC cable tv channel. (website is http://www.ifctv.com/)

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"Bill in Co" <Lost In T…@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:joBXb.4245$tL3.2436@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net… > Why is it that the artistic type of films (such as Amelie, Blue, Chocolat, Wild > Strawberries, etc), always seem to come out of the other countries (e.g: > Europe), and not over here in the States?    Does this say something about our > culture, or the lack thereof?    Or am I missing something here?

I think it has to do with the "perceived" audience.  Film makers are of the opinion that the majority of people who go to movies are 18 – 25 and only speak in one-sylable words (which may or may not be true).  Therefore, the majority of movies are targeted at this market share. What film makers don’t understand is that this is a self-fulfilling prophecy.  In other words if there were better movies more "mature" people would go to the theater.  Since, statistically speaking the baby boomer generation is going to be the largest market share in the next 10 years or so, it would behoove them to shift their target market accordingly – however, they would lose the young audience.  Besides that, I think that most "older folks" prefer to rent movies since they are not "dating" (at least most of them aren’t), and prefer to watch a movie in the comfort of their home than have to deal with the theater scene. Anway, yes, I have noticed that we don’t make many movies worthy of being called artistic (or even good for that matter).  I saw Whale Rider and I thought it was good albeit with a feminist bent, which I could have done without. I hear Mystic River is pretty good, although I have no plans to see it myself. Maybe the film makers will have a change of heart one of these days. But it’s doubtful. SD

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> I think many of the best movies in the world are made in the U.S.  But > they mostly aren’t the ones promoted by the big studios.

I agree with your statements.  Even  more frustrating is the fact that unless you live in a really big city, you will NEVER have the opportunity to see any of these find movies.  Not even on video unless you want to get the old "deer in the headlights" look from the tweeny behind the counter. Luckily, you can purchase them through the internet if you have the desire and want to spend the money. SD

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"JWB" <nospam1…@noplace.com> writes: > "Doug Anderson" <ethelthe…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:ySEXb.40443$_44.36027@attbi_s52… > > "JWB" <nospam1…@noplace.com> writes: > > > "Doug Anderson" <ethelthe…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > And another movie I’ve seen recently, > > > > made in the US, which I’d classify as artistic was "Dark City."  It is > > > > the movie "The Matrix" might have been if the makers had trusted their > > > > audience to have a brain. > > > Dark City is a really good movie. It was obviously inspired by > "Metropolis", > > > which I’d highly recommend seeing (the new restored version). > > Yeah, it made me think of Metropolis too, though I haven’t seen the > > restored version.  I should watch that.  And watch Dark City again. > It’s *really* good. It looks great, and the restoration added back every > scene that could be found (a lot was missing from previous cuts). It also > uses title cards to fill in the parts of the story that were lost forever, > so the movie’s plot now actually makes sense.

Now if only someone can do that last trick for Tarkovsky’s "Solaris!"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"JWB" <nospam1…@noplace.com> writes: > "Doug Anderson" <ethelthe…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:SFEXb.40411$_44.35053@attbi_s52… > > cloakedrun2…@NOSPAM.yahoo.ca (cloaked) writes: > > > Well I liked Chocolat. I would not have called it and "artistic" film, > > > it was simply a GOOD movie that was not full of blood, guts, cars, > > > cRAP music, foul language, and gratuitous sex. (Not that I have > > > anything against gratuitous sex in general). > > > If that is what it takes to be an "artistic" film these days, then > > > bring it on. :) > > > When I think of "artistic" films, I think of weird stuff like "The > > > Cook, the Theif, His Wife, Her Lover". Now THAT was an "artistic" > > > film. It was strange, weird, bizarre, and made no sense whatsoever. In > > > short – it SUCKED. > > I’m not a big fan of Peter Greenaway.  But I didn’t think Amelie or > > Chocolat were very good either. > > For a good "artistic" film, I’d strongly recommend "The Station Agent" > > which is a recent _american_ film.  Another really interesting recent > > american movie with little violence and no gratuitous sex was John > > Sayles’s "Limbo."  More violence, but very artistic and really well > > put together was "Memento."  And another movie I’ve seen recently, > > made in the US, which I’d classify as artistic was "Dark City."  It is > > the movie "The Matrix" might have been if the makers had trusted their > > audience to have a brain. > Dark City is a really good movie. It was obviously inspired by "Metropolis", > which I’d highly recommend seeing (the new restored version).

Yeah, it made me think of Metropolis too, though I haven’t seen the restored version.  I should watch that.  And watch Dark City again. > > We have plenty of good artistic films in the US.  They just don’t get > > as much screen time as "Star Wars: Attack of the Clowns" or > > "Terminator VII: Day of Reckoning."  And they are often not promoted > > by the big studios.  After all which made more money for the studios – > > "Wild Strawberries" or "American Pie?" > > I think many of the best movies in the world are made in the U.S.  But > > they mostly aren’t the ones promoted by the big studios. > I agree. You just have to look for the good movies (although some big budget > "blockbusters" are fairly good).

I agree, I like some of the big Hollywood movies as well.  But a lot of them are just junk, and at the same time it is amazing how many really good movies are made in the US that most of us haven’t heard of!

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Why is it that the artistic type of films (such as Amelie, Blue, Chocolat, Wild Strawberries, etc), always seem to come out of the other countries (e.g: Europe), and not over here in the States?    Does this say something about our culture, or the lack thereof?    Or am I missing something here?

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The subtitles add something…. Thanks, Mike — To reply via email remove the X’s from my email address:     aXeXnXeX…@gwis.com "Bill in Co" <Lost In T…@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:joBXb.4245$tL3.2436@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Why is it that the artistic type of films (such as Amelie, Blue, Chocolat, Wild > Strawberries, etc), always seem to come out of the other countries (e.g: > Europe), and not over here in the States?    Does this say something about our > culture, or the lack thereof?    Or am I missing something here?

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Well I liked Chocolat. I would not have called it and "artistic" film, it was simply a GOOD movie that was not full of blood, guts, cars, cRAP music, foul language, and gratuitous sex. (Not that I have anything against gratuitous sex in general). If that is what it takes to be an "artistic" film these days, then bring it on. :) When I think of "artistic" films, I think of weird stuff like "The Cook, the Theif, His Wife, Her Lover". Now THAT was an "artistic" film. It was strange, weird, bizarre, and made no sense whatsoever. In short – it SUCKED. On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:07:59 GMT, "Bill in Co" <Lost In – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -T…@earthlink.net> wrote: >Why is it that the artistic type of films (such as Amelie, Blue, Chocolat, Wild >Strawberries, etc), always seem to come out of the other countries (e.g: >Europe), and not over here in the States?    Does this say something about our >culture, or the lack thereof?    Or am I missing something here?

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cloakedrun2…@NOSPAM.yahoo.ca (cloaked) writes: > Well I liked Chocolat. I would not have called it and "artistic" film, > it was simply a GOOD movie that was not full of blood, guts, cars, > cRAP music, foul language, and gratuitous sex. (Not that I have > anything against gratuitous sex in general). > If that is what it takes to be an "artistic" film these days, then > bring it on. :) > When I think of "artistic" films, I think of weird stuff like "The > Cook, the Theif, His Wife, Her Lover". Now THAT was an "artistic" > film. It was strange, weird, bizarre, and made no sense whatsoever. In > short – it SUCKED.

I’m not a big fan of Peter Greenaway.  But I didn’t think Amelie or Chocolat were very good either. For a good "artistic" film, I’d strongly recommend "The Station Agent" which is a recent _american_ film.  Another really interesting recent american movie with little violence and no gratuitous sex was John Sayles’s "Limbo."  More violence, but very artistic and really well put together was "Memento."  And another movie I’ve seen recently, made in the US, which I’d classify as artistic was "Dark City."  It is the movie "The Matrix" might have been if the makers had trusted their audience to have a brain. We have plenty of good artistic films in the US.  They just don’t get as much screen time as "Star Wars: Attack of the Clowns" or "Terminator VII: Day of Reckoning."  And they are often not promoted by the big studios.  After all which made more money for the studios – "Wild Strawberries" or "American Pie?" I think many of the best movies in the world are made in the U.S.  But they mostly aren’t the ones promoted by the big studios. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:07:59 GMT, "Bill in Co" <Lost In > T…@earthlink.net> wrote: > >Why is it that the artistic type of films (such as Amelie, Blue, Chocolat, Wild > >Strawberries, etc), always seem to come out of the other countries (e.g: > >Europe), and not over here in the States?    Does this say something about our > >culture, or the lack thereof?    Or am I missing something here?

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"Doug Anderson" <ethelthe…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:SFEXb.40411$_44.35053@attbi_s52… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> cloakedrun2…@NOSPAM.yahoo.ca (cloaked) writes: > > Well I liked Chocolat. I would not have called it and "artistic" film, > > it was simply a GOOD movie that was not full of blood, guts, cars, > > cRAP music, foul language, and gratuitous sex. (Not that I have > > anything against gratuitous sex in general). > > If that is what it takes to be an "artistic" film these days, then > > bring it on. :) > > When I think of "artistic" films, I think of weird stuff like "The > > Cook, the Theif, His Wife, Her Lover". Now THAT was an "artistic" > > film. It was strange, weird, bizarre, and made no sense whatsoever. In > > short – it SUCKED. > I’m not a big fan of Peter Greenaway.  But I didn’t think Amelie or > Chocolat were very good either. > For a good "artistic" film, I’d strongly recommend "The Station Agent" > which is a recent _american_ film.  Another really interesting recent > american movie with little violence and no gratuitous sex was John > Sayles’s "Limbo."  More violence, but very artistic and really well > put together was "Memento."  And another movie I’ve seen recently, > made in the US, which I’d classify as artistic was "Dark City."  It is > the movie "The Matrix" might have been if the makers had trusted their > audience to have a brain.

Dark City is a really good movie. It was obviously inspired by "Metropolis", which I’d highly recommend seeing (the new restored version). > We have plenty of good artistic films in the US.  They just don’t get > as much screen time as "Star Wars: Attack of the Clowns" or > "Terminator VII: Day of Reckoning."  And they are often not promoted > by the big studios.  After all which made more money for the studios – > "Wild Strawberries" or "American Pie?" > I think many of the best movies in the world are made in the U.S.  But > they mostly aren’t the ones promoted by the big studios.

I agree. You just have to look for the good movies (although some big budget "blockbusters" are fairly good).

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