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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For God sake. Just get pissed off and take the fuckers head off. Some people’s personalities aren’t capable of "just get[ting] pissed off."  When it comes to these things there are two types of people.  Those who, afterwards, think "I wish I would have done…" and those who, afterwards, think, "gee, I wish I wouldn’t have…" The point is that some people are "Reactionary," acting immediately without thought of consequences and some people are "Analytical" and will sit back and examine every aspect of the confrontation without action. There are, obviously, drawbacks to each type of personality.  There are also tools that will enable each type of personally to overcome those drawbacks and be either reserved or unreserved when necessary and appropriate.

    Would anyone care to go into the details of the strengths and weaknesses of "Reactionary" and "Analytical" fighters and the tools that each should use to exploit their strengths and minimize their weaknesses. Any books or essays that are applicible would be nice also. Ken

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    Would anyone care to go into the details of the strengths and weaknesses of "Reactionary" and "Analytical" fighters

In a nutshell, reactionary people get themselves into trouble by reacting too quickly to too little "encouragement" and analytical people get themselves into trouble by waiting too long to react. and the tools that each should use to exploit their strengths and minimize their weaknesses.

There are shelves of books written for each subject.  Basically reactionary people learn to use tools that slow them down and make them think, usually by finding some way of distancing themselves emotionally from the encounter.  On the other hand, analytical people learn to use tools that break the cycle of over analyzing and spur them to action. Any books or essays that are applicible would be nice also. Ken

Psychologists and Therapists have loads of ideas and reams of data.  A trip to an appropriate group or even a College Prof. could point you to the desired material. Peace favor your sword (IH) — "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or knowledge of their use." -Achille Marozzo, 1536 — "…it’s the nature of the media and the participants. A herd of martial artists gets together and a fight breaks out; quelle surprise." -Chas Speaking of rec.martial-arts

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    Would anyone care to go into the details of the strengths and weaknesses of "Reactionary" and "Analytical" fighters and the tools that each should use to exploit their strengths and minimize their weaknesses.

Training to be a reactionary fighter can lead you into some very inappropriate reactions. Those are the guys that knock Mom out by mistake- it’s a stage you go through in training the micromuscular responses and initiations. Analytical fighters often don’t learn to trust their instincts- if it looks ‘wrong’, it probably is. When you add in all the social pressures and legal liability, people sometimes don’t quite know when the fight started. Our answer is that we give the judgmental mind plenty to work with- a system of moving from one combative opportunity to another, seamlessly. The judgmental mind is trained by my spirit, my social context, my opportunity to look a thousand guys in the eye and not worry about getting killed; my skills are refined. Add the ’switch’ that permits the ‘active’ mind from the judgmental mind, and you have a smart lizard coming at you- think Monitor lizard. You can’t negotiate with a Monitor; can’t intimidate him, can’t stop him except by destroying the little walnut sized brain that sees you as food. And he’s done this all before. Chas

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The point is that some people are "Reactionary," acting immediately without thought of consequences and some people are "Analytical" and will sit back and examine every aspect of the confrontation without action.

The idea of investing the ‘model’ of the system can bypass either of those in a very generalizable way. When one takes on the ‘animal’ model, say a ‘Tiger’, one intellectually engages in a willing suspension of disbelief and opens one’s mind to the ‘fantasy’ of being a tiger. That begins to generate the ‘giving of permission’ to fight (given that the other options have been eliminated) in a manner that is totally committed. When one keys that visualization to one’s daily solo practice, it works like the principle of ‘high reps, low impact’. Your willingness to engage the visualization, to nurture it and make it ’substantial’ is reinforced by every drill you do, if you key it to your starting position for any combative movement. Your practice methods are the only means to remember combative structures and how to exploit them to your advantage. For the most productive practice, one must practice alone as well as in the company of others. The mental practice is just another adjunctive skill. As an example, you can do the ’rounding’ of the neck thing to key it as you’re sitting doing just about anything else. I think boxers may well use the ‘tucking of the chin’ to start their ‘keys’; wrestlers present the forehead (same rounding of the neck); tie it to the ‘animal spirit’, and it cuts out the inner conflict that slows you down. Uncle Paul used to say; ‘In a fight? Relax, enjoy it; let the training take over.’ Chas

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     Actually, I used to do this kind of ‘psych up/build up’      before competitions, any kind of competition.  It was      my way of getting my head ready. Yeah, it’s quite common for competitors of any sort.  Good point.  My instructor, to this day, *still* gets phyched up on "We Will Rock You."  Even if she’s dragging the ground, dead tired, half dazed, if you thump out the first few bars, she’ll get jazzed and full of energy.

Me it’s "Gimme Shelter".  Someone gave me a cassette of "Hot Rocks" years ago, and I have used it ever since for jumping rope and hitting the heavy bag – my heart-rate speeds up slightly just hearing that and "Street Fighting Man".

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Mental exercises, etc. Kirks killword idea is a good one.

It’s not a Kirk Original.  Most anything will work too.  Tunes, phrases, colors, etc.  It’s a lot like the way athletes train to automatically slip into "the zone." Peace favor your sword (IH) — "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or knowledge of their use." -Achille Marozzo, 1536 — "…it’s the nature of the media and the participants. A herd of martial artists gets together and a fight breaks out; quelle surprise." -Chas Speaking of rec.martial-arts

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Mental exercises, etc. Kirks killword idea is a good one. It’s not a Kirk Original.  Most anything will work too.  Tunes, phrases, colors, etc.  It’s a lot like the way athletes train to automatically slip into "the zone."

Note to self: Happy Birthday is not an acceptable tune for a kill switch. Kev mentioned to me that when he used to do competitive swimming, they’d all do this kinda shuffle. Badger Jones http://members.rogers.com/badger www.geocities.com/marxistdetective/taunting.htm Free the West Memphis Three!  www.wm3.org

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Here goes nothing: This is probably a naive question, but any suggestions and tips on generating genuine anger on command? Mental exercises, etc. It’s one thing to get pissed off when brooding over a drink or when someone does something outright wrong to self or a loved on, but it’s another thing in an uncertain or controlled situation. I generally have a very cool head, which is good most of the time, but having a bit of anger brewing (not foaming rage, mind you) seems to give that extra edge and focus, say, when sparring. Thanks.

I think a cool head and a shitload of adrenaline are better than being angry any day.  Anger is an emotion.  It is much better to be cold and calculating than emotional.  Just look at Rickson Gracie fight.  The guy looks like he is carved from a slab of stone.  Vanderlai Silva is another good example. It’s 100% focus but 0% emotion. Fraser

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I have two trigger words – Kirk and Lawson.

Really?  Weird. Every time I think "Leon Macfayden" I just bust out laughing.  No good at all in a fight. (IH) — "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or knowledge of their use." -Achille Marozzo, 1536 — "…it’s the nature of the media and the participants. A herd of martial artists gets together and a fight breaks out; quelle surprise." -Chas Speaking of rec.martial-arts

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Then, when you need to summon up your aggression, say your "killword" (or whatever) to yourself and let the Pavlovian response take over.

Avoid using words like "hello" for your killwords.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here goes nothing: This is probably a naive question, but any suggestions and tips on generating genuine anger on command? Mental exercises, etc. This is a personality trait and very difficult to overcome, but not impossible. The most common suggestion is a "keyword" or "killword."  But what it all boils down to is a stimulus / response formula relating to an association.  It could be any association; a color, a melody, a word or phrase, a combination… Basically, spend lots of time (and lots of repetitions) building up your anger or aggressive response and continuously associate it with your selected "trigger." For example, build up your aggression while saying your "killword" over and over again.  Keep doing it while hammering the crap out of your heavy bag or makiwara, whatever.  If it’s a tune, hum it or repeat it over and over in your mind as you do your "aggressive" workout.  Add in lots of visualization drills as your doing it.  Imagine yourself going off on the attacker as you do your aggressive workout and beat the crap out of your heavy bag.  "See" the attacker, not the heavy bag. Then, when you need to summon up your aggression, say your "killword" (or whatever) to yourself and let the Pavlovian response take over. I have two trigger words – Kirk and Lawson.

Who?

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For God sake. Just get pissed off and take the fuckers head off.

Some people’s personalities aren’t capable of "just get[ting] pissed off."  When it comes to these things there are two types of people.  Those who, afterwards, think "I wish I would have done…" and those who, afterwards, think, "gee, I wish I wouldn’t have…" The point is that some people are "Reactionary," acting immediately without thought of consequences and some people are "Analytical" and will sit back and examine every aspect of the confrontation without action. There are, obviously, drawbacks to each type of personality.  There are also tools that will enable each type of personally to overcome those drawbacks and be either reserved or unreserved when necessary and appropriate. (IH) — "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or knowledge of their use." -Achille Marozzo, 1536 — "…it’s the nature of the media and the participants. A herd of martial artists gets together and a fight breaks out; quelle surprise." -Chas Speaking of rec.martial-arts

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This is probably a naive question, but any suggestions and tips on generating genuine anger on command?

Think of something that angers you.  If nothing angers you, pay attention more to your surroundings :) Mental exercises, etc.

Kirks killword idea is a good one. It’s one thing to get pissed off when brooding over a drink or when someone does something outright wrong to self or a loved on, but it’s another thing in an uncertain or controlled situation.

Are you sure "anger" is really what you’re looking for in an uncertain situation?  Personally, I’ve found that keeping a level head is better. It helps you to remain focused and think more clearly.   I generally have a very cool head, which is good most of the time, but having a bit of anger brewing (not foaming rage, mind you) seems to give that extra edge and focus, say, when sparring.

I try not to think of anything when I spar.  Just act.

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Here goes nothing:

An honest start…. This is probably a naive question, but any suggestions and tips on generating genuine anger on command? Mental exercises, etc.

Now why do you want to generate anger? Oh….crossposted to alt.acting It’s one thing to get pissed off when brooding over a drink

That’s (a) or when someone does something outright wrong to self or a loved on,

That’s (b) and quite different to (a).  but it’s another thing in an uncertain or controlled situation. That’s (c). More than likely, (b) will be a subset of (c) and you won’t need to ‘act’ I generally have a very cool head, which is good most of the time, but having a bit of anger brewing (not foaming rage, mind you) seems to give that extra edge and focus, say, when sparring.

Sometimes anger can pump you up, but it has no real place in training. In the event of a genuine threat to loved ones, life or liberty, you are better served by a calm and clinical approach to the destruction of your adversary. Attempting to generate anger (as an actor) in a street situation may result in a final performance of prone, paralysed and bleeding in the gutter…. collecting your Oscar from a wheelchair…. GDS

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hire someone to pimp slap you, and not in a good way

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here goes nothing: This is probably a naive question, but any suggestions and tips on generating genuine anger on command? Mental exercises, etc. It’s one thing to get pissed off when brooding over a drink or when someone does something outright wrong to self or a loved on, but it’s another thing in an uncertain or controlled situation. I generally have a very cool head, which is good most of the time, but having a bit of anger brewing (not foaming rage, mind you) seems to give that extra edge and focus, say, when sparring. Thanks.

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Here goes nothing: This is probably a naive question, but any suggestions and tips on generating genuine anger on command? Mental exercises, etc.

Have a stash of old memories in your head of wrong doing. When training, train in mentally switching on and seeing your opponent as responsible for those wrongs. If you have nothing in your past to get you severely pissed off then you wont be able to do it. It’s one thing to get pissed off when brooding over a drink or when someone does something outright wrong to self or a loved on, but it’s another thing in an uncertain or controlled situation. I generally have a very cool head, which is good most of the time, but having a bit of anger brewing (not foaming rage, mind you) seems to give that extra edge and focus, say, when sparring.

The anger is vital. It makes me able to turn fear into an attitude of "FUCK YOU". Without anger I would probably just shit my pants.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here goes nothing: This is probably a naive question, but any suggestions and tips on generating genuine anger on command? Mental exercises, etc. This is a personality trait and very difficult to overcome, but not impossible. The most common suggestion is a "keyword" or "killword."  But what it all boils down to is a stimulus / response formula relating to an association.  It could be any association; a color, a melody, a word or phrase, a combination… Basically, spend lots of time (and lots of repetitions) building up your anger or aggressive response and continuously associate it with your selected "trigger." For example, build up your aggression while saying your "killword" over and over again.  Keep doing it while hammering the crap out of your heavy bag or makiwara, whatever.  If it’s a tune, hum it or repeat it over and over in your mind as you do your "aggressive" workout.  Add in lots of visualization drills as your doing it.  Imagine yourself going off on the attacker as you do your aggressive workout and beat the crap out of your heavy bag.  "See" the attacker, not the heavy bag. Then, when you need to summon up your aggression, say your "killword" (or whatever) to yourself and let the Pavlovian response take over.

I have two trigger words – Kirk and Lawson.

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Then, when you need to summon up your aggression, say your "killword" (or whatever) to yourself and let the Pavlovian response take over. Key it to the rounding of the spine at the skull in the first movement of your forma. Don’t worry about ‘working up aggression’ during physical movement except as keyed to the solo ‘kata’. It’s a distraction at first to find your ‘anger’ *and* work on physical movement, so one does it when you’re less distracted. You can actually do the training by exploring any ‘intent’- it’s not necessary to use ‘anger’ or to put it in the context of combat. The important thing is to link the lizard brain to your soul.

For God sake. Just get pissed off and take the fuckers head off.

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Then, when you need to summon up your aggression, say your "killword" (or whatever) to yourself and let the Pavlovian response take over.

Key it to the rounding of the spine at the skull in the first movement of your forma. Don’t worry about ‘working up aggression’ during physical movement except as keyed to the solo ‘kata’. It’s a distraction at first to find your ‘anger’ *and* work on physical movement, so one does it when you’re less distracted. You can actually do the training by exploring any ‘intent’- it’s not necessary to use ‘anger’ or to put it in the context of combat. The important thing is to link the lizard brain to your soul. Chas

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Here goes nothing: This is probably a naive question, but any suggestions and tips on generating genuine anger on command? Mental exercises, etc. It’s one thing to get pissed off when brooding over a drink or when someone does something outright wrong to self or a loved on, but it’s another thing in an uncertain or controlled situation. I generally have a very cool head, which is good most of the time, but having a bit of anger brewing (not foaming rage, mind you) seems to give that extra edge and focus, say, when sparring.

WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR PROBLEM? You mean like that? :) Tao te Carl "It takes a village to have an idiot." – Carl (c) 2003 (Kudos to Cap’n Jim Wyatt for this link) BEFORE you ask a dumb-ass question here…http://www.speakeasy.org/~neilco/bart.gif

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Here goes nothing: This is probably a naive question, but any suggestions and tips on generating genuine anger on command? Mental exercises, etc. It’s one thing to get pissed off when brooding over a drink or when someone does something outright wrong to self or a loved on, but it’s another thing in an uncertain or controlled situation. I generally have a very cool head, which is good most of the time, but having a bit of anger brewing (not foaming rage, mind you) seems to give that extra edge and focus, say, when sparring. Thanks.

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Here goes nothing: This is probably a naive question, but any suggestions and tips on generating genuine anger on command? Mental exercises, etc.

This is a personality trait and very difficult to overcome, but not impossible. The most common suggestion is a "keyword" or "killword."  But what it all boils down to is a stimulus / response formula relating to an association.  It could be any association; a color, a melody, a word or phrase, a combination… Basically, spend lots of time (and lots of repetitions) building up your anger or aggressive response and continuously associate it with your selected "trigger."   For example, build up your aggression while saying your "killword" over and over again.  Keep doing it while hammering the crap out of your heavy bag or makiwara, whatever.  If it’s a tune, hum it or repeat it over and over in your mind as you do your "aggressive" workout.  Add in lots of visualization drills as your doing it.  Imagine yourself going off on the attacker as you do your aggressive workout and beat the crap out of your heavy bag.  "See" the attacker, not the heavy bag. Then, when you need to summon up your aggression, say your "killword" (or whatever) to yourself and let the Pavlovian response take over. Peace favor your sword (IH) — "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or knowledge of their use." -Achille Marozzo, 1536 — "…it’s the nature of the media and the participants. A herd of martial artists gets together and a fight breaks out; quelle surprise." -Chas Speaking of rec.martial-arts

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This is probably a naive question, but any suggestions and tips on generating genuine anger on command?

Unless you really have a place to put it, it’s not a good thing to learn/accomplish. That’s a serious caveat, buddy. That said; the cultivation of a conscious skill of ‘visualization’ and ‘remembering’ that is keyed to your solo practice is the methodology I have used. If you look at the method found in George Gurdjieff’s work, you can take the mechanics and apply them to your practice. It is what comprises the Work, the three meditations of the day, and can be used to form any intent (in my own opinion and practice). I would suggest to you that you confine your practice to that level and not go any further with them. One can find oneself acting very inappropriately if you don’t have an actual battle to go to <g Chas Tenjekan Sermak

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     Mother-in-law…

hahaha 3 points!      Actually, I used to do this kind of ‘psych up/build up’      before competitions, any kind of competition.  It was      my way of getting my head ready.

Yeah, it’s quite common for competitors of any sort.  Good point.  My instructor, to this day, *still* gets phyched up on "We Will Rock You."  Even if she’s dragging the ground, dead tired, half dazed, if you thump out the first few bars, she’ll get jazzed and full of energy. Peace favor your sword (IH) — "In these modern times, many men are wounded for not having weapons or knowledge of their use." -Achille Marozzo, 1536 — "…it’s the nature of the media and the participants. A herd of martial artists gets together and a fight breaks out; quelle surprise." -Chas Speaking of rec.martial-arts

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This is a personality trait and very difficult to overcome, but not impossible. The most common suggestion is a "keyword" or "killword."  But what it all boils down to is a stimulus / response formula relating to an association.  It could be any association; a color, a melody, a word or phrase, a combination…

     Mother-in-law…      Actually, I used to do this kind of ‘psych up/build up’      before competitions, any kind of competition.  It was      my way of getting my head ready.      karen —

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