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Question:

HOWEDY lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn,

That’s why I don’t really appreciate comments  like ‘what a bratty teenager’

lee john moore is a dog abuser and a mental case… like yourself, but he hasn’t been taking ANTI PSYCHOTIC MEDICATIONS for twenty years UNSUCCESSFULLY, like you have. You’re right & I apologize.

BWEEEEHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! Being tired & sick is no excuse for being

INSANE… too lazy to flesh out a more softly worded response,

IT’S ALL IN THE WORDS, AIN’T IT, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn. You dog abusers and mental cases are a SENSITIVE sort, ain’t you.  but it was the reason.

"REASON?" You’re a MENTAL CASE. That means you HAVE NO REASON or you’d not NEED to take ANTI PSYCHOTIC MEDICATIONS for twenty years, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn. The reason I recommended putting the dog in a down/stay instead of moving him out of sight was that

You’re a CONTROL FREAK and you gotta have the dog close by so you can CHOKE IT. they are less likely to bark from that physical position,

CITES PLEASE?  as well as to avoid the addition of anxiety of him not being able to observe the interaction between you and another person.

BWEEEEEHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! THAT’S HOWE COME THE DOG BARKS!!! But the barking to stop conversations is the worst symptom of a broader problem – this  dog has learned that he gets access to things he wants/needs by notifying you with a whuff.

CAUSE HE’S BEING IGNORED. That’s HOWE COME PRAISE IN ADVANCE ALWAYS WORKS. Don’t it, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.  In this case, what he wants is your complete attention.

RIGHT! So you’re gonna DENY IT, or GIVE IT TOO LATE cause you don’t have the INTELLECT to HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog or you’d NEVER NEED to HURT and KILL your dogs. Let’s talk abHOWET your SELECTIVELY BRED HAND PICKED and TESTED SAR dog JIVE??? BWEEEEWEAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! If that is not forthcoming, he increases the tone and duration of the communication signal that works in all other aspects of his life to the level of a demand.

And THAT make a MENTAL CASE ANGRY.  Hence my recommendation to go back and do some basic work to normalize his expectations.

LIKE THIS:  lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:  For barking in the crate – leave the leash on and  pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.  When he barks, use the line for a correction.  - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.  Lynn K. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lynn K. "I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in one shelter.)  But their ability to set their own schedules and duties causes a great deal of scheduling overhead. And it takes effort and thought to ensure that volunteers get the meaningful experience that they work for. Someone has to be responsible for that Volunteer Program, and it is best done by a non-volunteer." Lynn K. "I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed every adoptable dog on intake.  I frankly felt that the effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition. Should I have refused to groom them? Or even more pertinent – I was one of the people who had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter." Lynn K.

 Is that a MENTAL CASE or NOT?  NHOWE here she’s gonna lie abHOWET IT:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lynn, looks like he got you there if these quotes are true. In the posts below you take responsibility for making those calls. In your post above, you state you do not make those calls. Which one is it? : Nope, Bob.  Mikey isn’t a stupid man and he knows well the difference between: 1.  A non-shelter rescue group that occasionally has to put a dog down for health or temperament reasons.  (Yep, I’m involved with that.) : 2.  A trainer hired to evaluate a dog who might determine the dog is potentially dangerous. (Yes, again, I’ve been in that position.) : 3.  Public pounds that routinely kill stray and abandoned animals.  (Nope, I only pull animals from those pounds into the private rescue programs.)

It certainly does appear that your world has harsher realities – you say  that for every ‘one’ dog you take into your program, ‘FIVE’ others die!!!

The numbers are specific to German Shepherd Rescue in No. California, which is why they are so high. That is not true of the other breed escue I’m involved with, Border Collies.  It’s a reflection both of the downside of a very popular breed, and how ill-prepared many people are to deal with an active large dog. The sad fact is that the shelters are full of GSDs and we don’t have the foster homes to take them all out of the shelters. So we limit ourselves to taking those that are scheduled to be put down, and even then, can only save some. Fear Aggression towards other dogs, (and/or people), Separation problems and/or phobic behaviours.

The most common profile is a dog between 8 and 18 months old, that was picked up as a stray and unclaimed, with no evidence of any training. In our rescue, we don’t see any real difference in the numbers of males vs. females.  Separation anxiety is the norm, largely as a result of the dog’s recent experiences where we get them. But the real behavior problem are the exception, rather than the norm. Confrontational methods ‘to turn a dog around’ with these dogs would be far from beneficial.

Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary, just to be able to handle the dogs.  For example, we need to crate train a dog immediately because they are usually in need of medical care and they are in foster homes with other dogs. It’s a safety necessity. Can you please explain "spending months building the dog from the ground up" What method do you use that takes months?

Every dog is different, and their problems are different, and many take time.  We just had a very fearful 4 month old that we didn’t put up for adoption for 6 weeks because it took that long to build her confidence. I’ve got an older foster now – dog aggressive, starved to the point of muscle loss and food protective, dominant, an escape artist and roamer, totally untrained. I’d love to be able to have 4 months to turn him into the spectacular dog I know he can be.  But I don’t have the luxury of that time. Instead I’ve had to do what I can in 2 weeks.  That means correcting him for issuing fight challenges rather than careful desensitization, confronting him about food protection rather than letting it subside naturally, and minimal obedience training limited to housebreaking, cratetraining, allowing himself to be handled, sit, down, stay, and leash manners. And carefully placing him in a home I feel can do the rest that needs to be done. (He goes to that home on Sunday.) I too would like the answers to Anonymous’s questions (below)

I didn’t answer those because I think that Anon. post was Jerry Howe. Briefly, I didn’t refer to Koehler and didn’t mean Koehler when I used the term "confrontational". Using compulsion may have been a more accurate way to put it.  It is simply a necessity, rather than a choice. For example, the newly neutered dog-aggressive foster I described above.  I’d prefer to give him time to heal, keep him away from other dogs, then carefully monitor interactions, positively reinforcing him for non-reaction. But he had to come into my home, with 2 other dogs, immediately from the shelter and surgery.  A small enough home that keeping dogs competely separated is impossible.  So I had to do things like put him on a tiedown as my own dogs moved through the room and verbally correct him when he challenged them. Do I think the dog is damaged by it?  Not really. It isn’t ideal, but he’s alive and will make a decent pet. Lynn K. lynn kosmakos     (Lithium, Zoloft, bipolar, manic,                             depression) will "put down a biter                             as fast as anyone" yet claims to                             be a saintly dog rescuer "You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House Cats? Don’t bother. The answer is never." lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs: ‘This Article Is Something We’ve Put Together For SF GSD Rescue’  How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.

Okay – this is going to be a bit loooong  - Lynn K. "Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.  Don’t forget to put the muzzle on the dog.   I think a prong works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in this situation. Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how to instruct the owner in their proper use.   Electronics can take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars.  At that time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or whatever other reward system was being used." 8)  Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don’t forget to put the muzzle on the dog.   I think a prong works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in this situation.   Have the dog in a sit-stay next to you with most of the slack out of the leash … read more »

Response:

BWEEEEEHHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!! You’re an IMBECILE IDIOT, lee john moore. You’re puting your dog in the other room to "NOT PAY HIM ATTENTION" and that’s REWARDING him for the behavior you’re PAYIN HIM ATTENTION for to NOT PAY HIM ATTENTION!!! THAT’S INSANE… THAT’S HOWE COME it AIN’T GONNA WORK. Try THIS: DO IT LONGER so he FORGETS you’re PAYING HIM ATTENTION TO NOT PAYHIM ATTENTION!!! BWWWHWHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!! The Puppy Wizard. <{}; ~  )   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – // Hi,    You have given your dog the attention he so required. When he barked you reassured him. That’s not strictly true Pat.  First he was ignored.  Then he was reassured, under the mistaken notion that he was frightened of something and the only thing that works now is putting him in the next room (where his bed is) for two tiny minutes.  Not five, not ten, not a whole day; sometimes he doesn’t have a chance to lie down.  But it works. The problem now is: recurrence.  Why does it recurr if he *is* getting the message? That was the only attention he wanted. Now every time he barks when you are speaking…he will get you to speak to him. He doesn’t bark *every* time I’m speaking.  Just now and then when I’m speaking.  Sometimes once a day. Twice at most.  Usually when in the kichen (for some reason), occasionally when out. Just like a child will do….dogs and children are very alike. If you are doing obedience you will know that all you need to teach your dog is NO. NO is the word you should use for anything that is NOT acceptable to you. Quite.  And it applies to everything except his very recent ‘yapping’ behavioural problem.  For some reason, it doesn’t work in this case.  It’s like he doesn’t understand that ‘yapping’ isn’t the same kind of anti-social behaviour as chewing.  ’No’ was reinforced long, long ago. But it doesn’t work for ‘yapping’. Simple as that really…. So it’s actually not. — Lee John Moore "Prejudices, it is well known, are most difficult to eradicate from the heart whose soil has never been loosened or fertilised by education;"                                    – Jane Eyre (Charlotte

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