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Who is this idiot?

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As usual

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The Very Model of a Newsgroup Personality With apologies to Messrs Gilbert and Sullivan, the following ditty may be sung to the ‘Pirates Of Penzance’ tune ‘Modern Major General’:

[snipped] Great!  Someone must have put a lot of time in on this.

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The Very Model of a Newsgroup Personality With apologies to Messrs Gilbert and Sullivan, the following ditty may be sung to the ‘Pirates Of Penzance’ tune ‘Modern Major General’: [snipped] Great!  Someone must have put a lot of time in on this.

Geeze.  Here we go again.  O.K.  The reason I say they are bad is this.  I would prefer not to see a prong or whatever collar on a dog because they are a device that tells the dog that if you do not do as I want then you will suffer. Thank you for answering my question. I only have experience using the prong collar, so that’s I’ll just address the prong in my

remarks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My response is that I don’t believe the prong to be a device that tells the dog "do what I want or suffer". At least, that’s not how I use it, so I don’t see that you should have a problem with me, or others who use the collar the way I do. As negative reinforcement. The method you describe isn’t really a very effective way to use the prong, and I can understand why you would object to that. The way I use a prong, the corrections are on the same order of harshness as a verbal correction. In fact, perhaps less so, as Harlan might take the verbal correction personally. He’s never done that with the prong.  In other words, its like telling your child (assuming you can have a child that is) that if you do not do as I want you to do then i will hit you. Again, that’s not how I use it, so this analogy does not apply to me. Yes, Harlan can find the prongs irritating, or uncomfortable, but he knows how to control it. I do not think irritating is the same as suffering.  To me that is not a positive training tecnique. It’s negative reinforcement. I don’t think using negative reinforcement is bad. My training technique as a whole is very positive, almost completely so. If you are saying that you only believe in using "positive" methods (excluding positive punishment, of course), then that would be a reason why you would object to the prong that I can sort of

understand. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – However, that brings us to the next questions of why you think positive only is the way to go. Myself, I don’t think it’s possible to go through life with only pleasant consequences. I know that Harlan and I are able to do a lot more since I started including the prong as part of our training (initially, I was using the clicker alone, but was unable to find a reinforcement that was more motivating than certain distractions in our training environment). On the other hand, if you are not saying that you only use positive methods, then I don’t understand how you object to the prong. Do you ever tell your dogs "no"? The way I use the prong is very like verbal corrections (for Harlan, anyway, every dog is different). What I like about the prong is that Harlan figured out right away that he was in control of the correction. I don’t jerk the prong (in spite of what jer says). I considered many types of collars before choosing the prong, and I tested it on myself (arm and neck) to see what it felt like. Of course, I can’t really know for certain how Harlan perceives it; I can only judge from his reactions. And the main reaction I get from him when I pick up the collar is wagging tail and zoom for the front door. This, I think, is because the most powerful connection he has with the prong collar is that it means we are taking a road trip. When I let him out, he runs out the front door and heads for the car, where he waits (I put the collar on when we get to our destination). I think if the collar traumatized him, he would not act this way. He seems to associate it with fun time… car rides, training class, stuff like that.

THAT’S STRESS AND ANXIETY. Now, if, in the future, I found evidence that the prong collar was harmful in anyway, I would reconsider my position.

Too late. But the real problem is YOU DON’T CARE abou Harlan, you only care about YOUR AUTHORITY over him. (Is that the best you can do is compete with a puppy dog for CONTROL?) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But for now, judging by the reactions of my dog (which are the only things that count, really), I am content that the prong collar is a humane training tool. After  all, many many training methods that apply to dogs also apply to children.  OH DOG!.  After that comparison with children HERE COME THE GATORS!!!     NICK I hope you don’t see this as a gator attack; I’m only telling you my experiences with the prong collar, and suggesting that maybe the way you think the prong is normally used is inaccurate. I think if you actually saw Harlan and I train, you would see that I am a humane trainer, and we both have a lot of fun. Which is the only reason I’m considering taking the more advanced obedience classes: Harlan enjoys them. I have zero interest in competing, except that Harlan is a big ol’ ham who likes to show up (you should see him play an audience), and I think I owe it to him to give him the opportunity to shine. And I agree many training methods that apply to dogs also apply to children, and just about anything else with a brainstem. That’s what the science of behavorism is all about. There are species difference that need to be taken in to account, but the principles of negative/positive reinforcement and negative/positive punishment are pretty universal. The main trick is to pay attention to what your subject finds motivating, which can be hard to do if you have preconceived notions (that you might not even be aware of). Again, thank you for answering my question. I hope I’ve explained clearly why I think your reasons for objecting to the prong may be misguided. I think we both agree that animals should be treated humanely. I think we both agree that dogs are sentient creatures who can feel pain. I think we both agree that harsh corrections are not typically neccessary for your average pet owner. I am still unclear as to whether you think negative consequences should or should not be used in training. –Terri & Harlan

Hello psycho clown, You flunked clicker training just like amy dahl?  You are too stupid to realize what you are doing to your dog, and you are too evil to CARE. You are a liar and a dog abuser. You defend hurting dogs by jerking, choking, shocking, twisting ears, toes, and testicles, BEATING DOGS WITH STICKS, and HANGING dogs, to rehabilitate them… YOU LIE about dog abuse because your EGO requires acceptance from the only punks who’ll accept a misfit like you.. Well Harlan, she’s as lousy as a bum and a heckler as she is a dog trainer, but what she is really doing is FIGHTING for her RIGHT to HURT YOU… Think about it, Harlan, think HARD. She WANTS to HURT you. She WANTS other terri’s to HURT their Harlan’s too, so she doesn’t LOOK out of step. These kinds of bums will jerk and choke you, and if you let them know you don’t appreciate it, she’ll HANG YOU. It’s all in the book, the BIBLE by koehler. There’s INSTRUCTIONS for putting a hook in the ceiling or throwing your leash over the door and HANGING YOU till your eyes roll back in your head, and your tongue turns thick and blue and falls out the side of your mouth, and when she let’s you down, you should oughta stagger a couple of steps and PUKE. That’s ACCEPTABLE to her. And it’s approved of by doc dermer, so you KNOW she’ll do it. That pronged collar she chokes you with HAD BETTER BE LOVED, cause she’ll HANG you with it if you object to getting choked. Be happy in your work. Your pal, Jerry.

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You won’t answer the question because you are a liar, a beggar, a mental case, and a COWARD. Jerry.

I answered that question already. You chose to ignore it. Beware of Jerry Howe. Jerry Howe is only here to sell you his dubious $100 electronic training device. That is where the link he posts takes you. The free training manual offer is the bait for his "bait & switch" scam. (A purchaser of jerry’s $100 training device has posted a review at: jerry could easily post the correct link but he refuses to do so and, as you will see, viciously attacks anyone who disagrees with his dishonest tactics. EdW http://Petloss.com

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Hello lyinglynn,

Who is this negative, pathetic, idiot Jerry Howe? Nobody worth your time or attention.

What’s the matter? Afraid of COMPETITION? I seem to preoccupy an abnormal amouth of your time. You even talk about me on groups I’ve never correspondes with. And you’ve even quoted me to them, with your own words insteadof mine. Thanks for the help. Marilyn caught you in your lies on another group. You’re pretty sick. You’re a pathological liar. Lynn K. lyinglynn writes: For barking in the crate – leave the leash on and pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it. When he barks, use the line for a correction.

lyinglynn approves of stuffing fingers down puppies throats to choke them out of mouthing even in the litter box, chin cuffing, scruff shaking, kneeing them in the chest for jumping, throwing them down by their ears and climbing all over them like a raped ape, shocking, twisting and pinching ears, toes, and testicles, sticking their head under water you’ve filled into a hole IT dug, and BEATING THEM WITH STICKS to MOTIVATE them, and HANGING dogs. Hurting dogs to REHABILITATE them from being aggressive AFTER being jerked and choked on pronged choke collars and shocking and twisting their body parts IS CRIMINALLY INSANE BEHAVIOR. (See my Stay out of jail challenge, see janet boss’s thread "interested in hearing, where she overlooks the two shock containment devices and tells the people to jerk and choke the dog on a pronged choke collar, and confine IT any time IT can’t be properly jerked and choked… The consensus of opinion was "KILL THE DOG TO BE FAIR.") lyinlynn says: "I LOVE KOEHLER," and in the next breath denies being a ‘koehler trainer.’ Is that because she ALSO shocks dogs, and koehler never had a shock collar? Pity that he was born too late to benefit from such a wondrous teaching tool, ISN’T it???

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Bravo! Author! Author!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Very Model of a Newsgroup Personality With apologies to Messrs Gilbert and Sullivan, the following ditty may be sung to the ‘Pirates Of Penzance’ tune ‘Modern Major General’: Jerry is the very model of a Newsgroup Personality He intersperse obscenity with tedious banality. Addresses he has plenty of, both genuine and ghosted to, On all the countless newsgroups that his drivel is cross-posted to. Your bandwidth he will fritter with his whining and his snivelling, And you’re the one who pays the bill downloading all his drivelling. His enemies are numerous, and no one would be blaming you For cracking his head open after I’ve been rudely flaming you. He hates to lose an argument (by now he should be used to it). He wouldn’t know a valid point if he was introduced to it. His learning is extensive but consists of mindless trivia, Designed to fan his ego, which is larger than Bolivia. The comments that he vomits forth, disguised as gest and drolery, Are really just an exercise in unremitting trollery. He says he’s frank and forthright, but that’s merely lies and vanity, The gibberings of one who’s at the limit of his sanity. If only he could get a life, as many people tell him to; If only mum could find a circus freak-show she could sell him to; If he goes off to Zanzibar to paint the local scenery; If he loses all his fingers in a mishap with machinery; If he survives to twenty, which is somewhat problematical; If what he posts was more mature, or slightly more grammatical; If he could learn to spell a bit, and maybe even punctuate; Would he still be the loathsome and objectionable punk you hate? But while he has this tiresome urge to prance around and show his face, It’s simply isn’t safe for normal people here in cyberspace. To stick him in Old Sparky and turn on the electricity Would be a fitting punishment for his egocentricity. He always has the last word; so, with utmost finality, That’s all from him, the model of a Newsgroup Personality. — (author unknown) Who is this negative, pathetic, idiot Jerry Howe?

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You won’t answer the question because you are a liar, a beggar, a mental case, and a COWARD. Jerry.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BRAVO!!!! Hello trot, Tell us HOWE trot feels about sticking fingers down puppy’s throats to choke them out of mouthing as our pals cindymooron, lyinglynn, lyingdogDUMMY et.al., PREFER? Tell us HOWE trot feels about twisting and pinching dog’s ears and toes, and jerking and choking dogs on pronged choke collars, shocking, BEATING DOGS WITH STICKS a la lyingfrosty dahl, and HANGING DOGS like your pals lyingdogDIRTY and lyinglynn??? Speak right up and WARN US about these vicious practices YOU ABHOR. Gee jer, I thought you said you were saving that bit of spam for me so I could reply: Beware of Jerry Howe. Jerry Howe is only here to sell you his dubious $100 electronic training device. That is where the link he posts takes you. The free training manual offer is the bait for his "bait & switch" scam. (A purchaser of jerry’s $100 training device has posted a review at: jerry could easily post the correct link but he refuses to do so and, as you will see, viciously attacks anyone who disagrees with his dishonest tactics. EdW http://Petloss.com

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Who is this negative, pathetic, idiot Jerry Howe?

Nobody worth your time or attention. Lynn K.

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Hello bob,

Thank you for re-posting that, Jerry.

You’re welcome. Just trying to be HELPFUL. Apparently you still don’t know how to read!

What’s the problem? That method is call a "time out".

You think dogs care about time out’s? This method is valid and is not a Koehler "hang", the dogs paws are on the ground.

That’s nice. Not every barbaric method is koehler’s. The sling shot dates back EONS, and certainly koehler wasn’t the first person to use it for training dogs. Same with the bb gun. It’s older than koehler, and probably lots of other trainers shot their dogs with bb’s before koehler told us to. It is important for the trainer, under these conditions, to not acknowledge the dogs behavior.

AS ALWAYS. A "sound distraction" just does not work!

Of course not. Because it CAN’T WORK, if you’re CHOKING the dog. NO FORCE means NO FORCE, NO CONTACT, NO PULLING, NO THREATENING. All you are doing when you take control of an acting-up dog by holding it by the collar at arms length is place the dog in a lonesome place.

When you take his collar, you trigger positive thigmotaxis, the opposition reflex. This does not hurt the dog.

All depends on HOWE LONG you keep him lonesome. The entire time he’s aggitating is causing more aggressive feelings. Dogs are social animals, they don’t like being LONESOME. The handler is simply placing the dog in a "space" where it is not with the handler and not with the object of it’s aggression.

You mean to just TOTALLY IGNORE the behavior and forcefully restraing the dog without becoming party to the AGGRESSION??? C’mone bob, you’re going to have to do better to convince us that confronting a dog is ignoring his behavior while allowing a scientific method like forced control is being conditioned to teach the dog to grab his own collar and hold him back… You’re methods AREN’T. Jerry. j;~} – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello bob, Why don’t you tell us about your three month koehler plan for rehabilitating aggressive behavior? j;~} Jerry, I can’t. There isn’t one. Hello bob, SURE there is. Let me refresh your memory. That’s the problem with you koehler trainers. You don’t have the INTELLECT to OUTWIT a PUPPY DOG, let alone remember your training methods, Here’s MY response to Mr. Helper’s response to YOU. Be sure to read Mr. Helper’s comments on your "method" below. That ought to smarten up any READERS here, but there’s no hope for you and our koehler trainers, for the obvious reason of mental deficiency. Excellent post, THANK YOU, Mr. Helper. Want a job working with the BIOSOUND Scientific Elves? J I would take an almost 180 degree approach from Elaine but first, I would train the dog in a really reliable (spend 12 weeks, not just overnight) "no" or "leave it" command. I would then take the dog on walks where I knew that there would be people (on lead, of course). I would pay attention to the distance at which the dog started to become uncomfortable. As soon as the dog started to tense up, growl, flip an ear or whatever signal the dog gives when about to show aggression, I would grasp the dogs collar and hold the dog (feet on the ground) at arms length and tell the dog once "no". I  would not look at the dog or move until the dog relaxes (this could take two, five, twenty minuets – plan ahead and don’t let the dog win). You will probably have to repeat this re-training scenario for the same amount of time that the dog has been allowed to show aggression. In other words, if your dog has been doing this for a week – it will probably take a week to re-train, a month – a month to re- train… I hope this helps! ;~) Bob What this will do is teach the doggy that the stranger is causing you to become belligerent.  He will then become afraid and attempt to make the stranger go away even more strongly.  You will be teaching him to act in exactly the way you don’t want.  And the more you train him the worse it will get.  Aggression is caused by fear. Reinforcing his fear just makes the aggression worse.  Instead, use sound distraction and praise.  If you can’t understand HOWE that works, get a real life trainer that does.  Otherwise you will just have to kill the doggy at some point after it really hurts someone.  It will then be your fault not the doggys. Mr. Helper

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Psst! You couldn’t pick up dog poo without screwing it up.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BRAVO!!!! Hello trot, Tell us HOWE trot feels about sticking fingers down puppy’s throats to choke them out of mouthing as our pals cindymooron, lyinglynn, lyingdogDUMMY et.al., PREFER? Tell us HOWE trot feels about twisting and pinching dog’s ears and toes, and jerking and choking dogs on pronged choke collars, shocking, BEATING DOGS WITH STICKS a la lyingfrosty dahl, and HANGING DOGS like your pals lyingdogDIRTY and lyinglynn??? Speak right up and WARN US about these vicious practices YOU ABHOR.

Gee jer, I thought you said you were saving that bit of spam for me so I could reply: Beware of Jerry Howe. Jerry Howe is only here to sell you his dubious $100 electronic training device. That is where the link he posts takes you. The free training manual offer is the bait for his "bait & switch" scam. (A purchaser of jerry’s $100 training device has posted a review at: jerry could easily post the correct link but he refuses to do so and, as you will see, viciously attacks anyone who disagrees with his dishonest tactics. EdW http://Petloss.com

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Thank you for re-posting that, Jerry. Apparently you still don’t know how to read! That method is call a "time out". This method is valid and is not a Koehler "hang", the dogs paws are on the ground. It is important for the trainer, under these conditions, to not acknowledge the dogs behavior. A "sound distraction" just does not work! All you are doing when you take control of an acting-up dog by holding it by the collar at arms length is place the dog in a lonesome place. This does not hurt the dog. The handler is simply placing the dog in a "space" where it is not with the handler and not with the object of it’s aggression.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello bob, Why don’t you tell us about your three month koehler plan for rehabilitating aggressive behavior? j;~} Jerry, I can’t. There isn’t one. Hello bob, SURE there is. Let me refresh your memory. That’s the problem with you koehler trainers. You don’t have the INTELLECT to OUTWIT a PUPPY DOG, let alone remember your training methods, Here’s MY response to Mr. Helper’s response to YOU. Be sure to read Mr. Helper’s comments on your "method" below. That ought to smarten up any READERS here, but there’s no hope for you and our koehler trainers, for the obvious reason of mental deficiency. Excellent post, THANK YOU, Mr. Helper. Want a job working with the BIOSOUND Scientific Elves? J I would take an almost 180 degree approach from Elaine but first, I would train the dog in a really reliable (spend 12 weeks, not just overnight) "no" or "leave it" command. I would then take the dog on walks where I knew that there would be people (on lead, of course).  I would pay attention to the distance at which the dog started to become uncomfortable. As soon as the dog started to tense up, growl, flip an ear or whatever signal the dog gives when about to show aggression, I would grasp the dogs collar and hold the dog (feet on the ground) at arms length and tell the dog once "no". I  would not look at the dog or move until the dog relaxes (this could take two, five, twenty minuets – plan ahead and don’t let the dog win). You will probably have to repeat this re-training scenario for the same amount of time that the dog has been allowed to show aggression. In other words, if your dog has been doing this for a week – it will probably take a week to re-train, a month – a month to re- train… I hope this helps! ;~) Bob What this will do is teach the doggy that the stranger is causing you to become belligerent.  He will then become afraid and attempt to make the stranger go away even more strongly.  You will be teaching him to act in exactly the way you don’t want.  And the more you train him the worse it will get.  Aggression is caused by fear.  Reinforcing his fear just makes the aggression worse.  Instead, use sound distraction and praise.  If you can’t understand HOWE that works, get a real life trainer that does.  Otherwise you will just have to kill the doggy at some point after it really hurts someone.  It will then be your fault not the doggys. Mr. Helper

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 Psst! You couldn’t pick up dog poo without screwing it up. Tell us HOWE ed feels about sticking fingers down puppy’s throats to choke them out of mouthing as our pals cindymooron, lyinglynn, lyingdogDUMMY et.al., PREFER? Tell us HOWE ed feels about twisting and pinching dog’s ears and toes, and jerking and choking dogs on pronged choke collars, shocking, BEATING DOGS WITH STICKS a la lyingfrosty dahl, and HANGING DOGS like your pals lyingdogDIRTY and lyinglynn??? Speak right up and WARN US about these vicious practices YOU ABHOR. Got Milk? Jerry.

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BRAVO!!!!

Hello trot, Tell us HOWE trot feels about sticking fingers down puppy’s throats to choke them out of mouthing as our pals cindymooron, lyinglynn, lyingdogDUMMY et.al., PREFER? Tell us HOWE trot feels about twisting and pinching dog’s ears and toes, and jerking and choking dogs on pronged choke collars, shocking, BEATING DOGS WITH STICKS a la lyingfrosty dahl, and HANGING DOGS like your pals lyingdogDIRTY and lyinglynn??? Speak right up and WARN US about these vicious practices YOU ABHOR. Got Milk? Jerry. You can get all the information you need to properly handle and train your dog using non force, non confrontational, scientific and psychological behavior modification and conditioning techniques, from the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com "Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and judge things by reason’s way, not by popular say." Montaigne "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." Salvor Hardin "If you cannot convince them, confuse them." H.S. Truman. DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS… j;~) "CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw. "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives."                                              Leo Tolstoy Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?:                                             caveat If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.                       -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after.  Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all.                      -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding.                   -Jerry Howe-

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Hello lyingdogDUMMY,

Who is this negative, pathetic, idiot Jerry Howe? Damn, Dietz, it appears that you know more than you think you do.

No, lyingdogDUMMY. It appears that dietz is another koehler trainer, like YOU. Howe *is* a negative, pathetic idiot!

And, I’ve told you to EDIFY me, because I’m making YOU look like the vicious, lying, cretin, you are. Therefore, you should be saying I’m much better than you really believe, because for a pathetic idiot to make a MONKEY out of you, should be an EMBARASSMENT to you. In fact, that’s who he is.

In FACT, YOU ARE A LIAR AND DOG ABUSER. You HANG dogs to rehabilitate them from your constant jerking, choking, shocking, intimidation, and PAIN, as you "teach" according to the MONSTER, koehler. But he’s a lot of other things, too.

Yes. I’m KILLING you and our rpdb Gang Of Thugs, in the cybersense of the word, of course. AND PROFESSIONALLY. Your reputations are being DESTROYED. Your credibility is SHOT. Starting off with the fact that he’s BIG PHONY.

I’m DESTROYING YOU. That’s why the killfile campaigne. You bums are going through your death throes. Which is really all you need to know about him, eh?

INDEED. :) — Dogman http://www.i1.net/~dogman

You can get all the information you need to properly handle and train your dog using non force, non confrontational, scientific and psychological behavior modification and conditioning techniques, from the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com "Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and judge things by reason’s way, not by popular say." Montaigne "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." Salvor Hardin "If you cannot convince them, confuse them." H.S. Truman. DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS… j;~) "CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw. "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives."                                              Leo Tolstoy Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?:                                             caveat If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.                       -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after.  Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all.                      -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding.                   -Jerry Howe-

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Hello bob, Why don’t you tell us about your three month koehler plan for rehabilitating aggressive behavior? j;~} Jerry, I can’t. There isn’t one.

Hello bob, SURE there is. Let me refresh your memory. That’s the problem with you koehler trainers. You don’t have the INTELLECT to OUTWIT a PUPPY DOG, let alone remember your training methods, Here’s MY response to Mr. Helper’s response to YOU. Be sure to read Mr. Helper’s comments on your "method" below. That ought to smarten up any READERS here, but there’s no hope for you and our koehler trainers, for the obvious reason of mental deficiency. Excellent post, THANK YOU, Mr. Helper. Want a job working with the BIOSOUND Scientific Elves? J

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would take an almost 180 degree approach from Elaine but first, I would train the dog in a really reliable (spend 12 weeks, not just overnight) "no" or "leave it" command. I would then take the dog on walks where I knew that there would be people (on lead, of course).  I would pay attention to the distance at which the dog started to become uncomfortable. As soon as the dog started to tense up, growl, flip an ear or whatever signal the dog gives when about to show aggression, I would grasp the dogs collar and hold the dog (feet on the ground) at arms length and tell the dog once "no". I  would not look at the dog or move until the dog relaxes (this could take two, five, twenty minuets – plan ahead and don’t let the dog win). You will probably have to repeat this re-training scenario for the same amount of time that the dog has been allowed to show aggression. In other words, if your dog has been doing this for a week – it will probably take a week to re-train, a month – a month to re- train… I hope this helps! ;~) Bob What this will do is teach the doggy that the stranger is causing you to become belligerent.  He will then become afraid and attempt to make the stranger go away even more strongly.  You will be teaching him to act in exactly the way you don’t want.  And the more you train him the worse it will get.  Aggression is caused by fear.  Reinforcing his fear just makes the aggression worse.  Instead, use sound distraction and praise.  If you can’t understand HOWE that works, get a real life trainer that does.  Otherwise you will just have to kill the doggy at some point after it really hurts someone.  It will then be your fault not the doggys. Mr. Helper

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BRAVO!!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Very Model of a Newsgroup Personality With apologies to Messrs Gilbert and Sullivan, the following ditty may be sung to the ‘Pirates Of Penzance’ tune ‘Modern Major General’: Jerry is the very model of a Newsgroup Personality He intersperse obscenity with tedious banality. Addresses he has plenty of, both genuine and ghosted to, On all the countless newsgroups that his drivel is cross-posted to. Your bandwidth he will fritter with his whining and his snivelling, And you’re the one who pays the bill downloading all his drivelling. His enemies are numerous, and no one would be blaming you For cracking his head open after I’ve been rudely flaming you. He hates to lose an argument (by now he should be used to it). He wouldn’t know a valid point if he was introduced to it. His learning is extensive but consists of mindless trivia, Designed to fan his ego, which is larger than Bolivia. The comments that he vomits forth, disguised as gest and drolery, Are really just an exercise in unremitting trollery. He says he’s frank and forthright, but that’s merely lies and vanity, The gibberings of one who’s at the limit of his sanity. If only he could get a life, as many people tell him to; If only mum could find a circus freak-show she could sell him to; If he goes off to Zanzibar to paint the local scenery; If he loses all his fingers in a mishap with machinery; If he survives to twenty, which is somewhat problematical; If what he posts was more mature, or slightly more grammatical; If he could learn to spell a bit, and maybe even punctuate; Would he still be the loathsome and objectionable punk you hate? But while he has this tiresome urge to prance around and show his face, It’s simply isn’t safe for normal people here in cyberspace. To stick him in Old Sparky and turn on the electricity Would be a fitting punishment for his egocentricity. He always has the last word; so, with utmost finality, That’s all from him, the model of a Newsgroup Personality. — (author unknown)

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Who is this negative, pathetic, idiot Jerry Howe?

Damn, Dietz, it appears that you know more than you think you do. Howe *is* a negative, pathetic idiot! In fact, that’s who he is. But he’s a lot of other things, too. Starting off with the fact that he’s BIG PHONY. Which is really all you need to know about him, eh? :) — Dogman http://www.i1.net/~dogman

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Hello bob, Why don’t you tell us about your three month koehler plan for rehabilitating aggressive behavior? j;~}

Jerry, I can’t. There isn’t one.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who is this negative, pathetic, idiot Jerry Howe? Hello Jerry, This negative, pathetic, idiot, is a professional dog trainer with three dozen years experience specializing in behavior problems and protection in giant breed dogs. The problem seems to be, that most of our rpdb regular contributors, our Gang Of Thugs, are koehler trainers, who NEED to HURT dogs to train them. I’m just trying to WARN YOU, and SMARTEN THEM UP.

If that were true jer you would not be trying to sell every new poster your dubious $100 electronic training device. (A purchaser of jerry’s training device has posted a review at: Even worse, you offer them a "free Training Manual" but when they take the link they end up at your sales pitch for the aforementioned gizmo. It is a classic "bait & switch" scam which you included 3 times in the last post alone! If you were an honest person you would post the genuine link to the free training manual download page. But you aren’t so you don’t. EdW http://Petloss.com

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Hello bob, Why don’t you tell us about your three month koehler plan for rehabilitating aggressive behavior? j;~}

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Very Model of a Newsgroup Personality With apologies to Messrs Gilbert and Sullivan, the following ditty may be sung to the ‘Pirates Of Penzance’ tune ‘Modern Major General’: Jerry is the very model of a Newsgroup Personality He intersperse obscenity with tedious banality. Addresses he has plenty of, both genuine and ghosted to, On all the countless newsgroups that his drivel is cross-posted to. Your bandwidth he will fritter with his whining and his snivelling, And you’re the one who pays the bill downloading all his drivelling. His enemies are numerous, and no one would be blaming you For cracking his head open after I’ve been rudely flaming you. He hates to lose an argument (by now he should be used to it). He wouldn’t know a valid point if he was introduced to it. His learning is extensive but consists of mindless trivia, Designed to fan his ego, which is larger than Bolivia. The comments that he vomits forth, disguised as gest and drolery, Are really just an exercise in unremitting trollery. He says he’s frank and forthright, but that’s merely lies and vanity, The gibberings of one who’s at the limit of his sanity. If only he could get a life, as many people tell him to; If only mum could find a circus freak-show she could sell him to; If he goes off to Zanzibar to paint the local scenery; If he loses all his fingers in a mishap with machinery; If he survives to twenty, which is somewhat problematical; If what he posts was more mature, or slightly more grammatical; If he could learn to spell a bit, and maybe even punctuate; Would he still be the loathsome and objectionable punk you hate? But while he has this tiresome urge to prance around and show his face, It’s simply isn’t safe for normal people here in cyberspace. To stick him in Old Sparky and turn on the electricity Would be a fitting punishment for his egocentricity. He always has the last word; so, with utmost finality, That’s all from him, the model of a Newsgroup Personality. — (author unknown) Who is this negative, pathetic, idiot Jerry Howe?

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Who is this negative, pathetic, idiot Jerry Howe?

Hello Jerry, This negative, pathetic, idiot, is a professional dog trainer with three dozen years experience specializing in behavior problems and protection in giant breed dogs. The problem seems to be, that most of our rpdb regular contributors, our Gang Of Thugs, are koehler trainers, who NEED to HURT dogs to train them. I’m just trying to WARN YOU, and SMARTEN THEM UP. HOWEver, they do not have the intellectual capacity to outwit a puppy dog, therefore, smartening YOU up is the only option available at this time. That’s why I have made available for FREE, the comprehensive training manual, the Wits’ End Dog Training Method, at http://www.doggydoright.com I invite your questions, comments, or criticism, of my poorly written, unedited text. You CAN’T find any better dog training INFORMATION anywhere else. Hopefully, as YOU smarten up, YOU’LL tell our abusive control freaks who HURT dogs because of their weak minds and fragile ego’s, TO GET LOST. Yours, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com "Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and judge things by reason’s way, not by popular say." Montaigne "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." Salvor Hardin "If you cannot convince them, confuse them." H.S. Truman. DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS… j;~) "CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw. "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives."                                              Leo Tolstoy Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?:                                             caveat If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.                       -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after.  Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all.                      -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding.                   -Jerry Howe-

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The Very Model of a Newsgroup Personality With apologies to Messrs Gilbert and Sullivan, the following ditty may be sung to the ‘Pirates Of Penzance’ tune ‘Modern Major General’: Jerry is the very model of a Newsgroup Personality He intersperse obscenity with tedious banality. Addresses he has plenty of, both genuine and ghosted to, On all the countless newsgroups that his drivel is cross-posted to. Your bandwidth he will fritter with his whining and his snivelling, And you’re the one who pays the bill downloading all his drivelling. His enemies are numerous, and no one would be blaming you For cracking his head open after I’ve been rudely flaming you. He hates to lose an argument (by now he should be used to it). He wouldn’t know a valid point if he was introduced to it. His learning is extensive but consists of mindless trivia, Designed to fan his ego, which is larger than Bolivia. The comments that he vomits forth, disguised as gest and drolery, Are really just an exercise in unremitting trollery. He says he’s frank and forthright, but that’s merely lies and vanity, The gibberings of one who’s at the limit of his sanity. If only he could get a life, as many people tell him to; If only mum could find a circus freak-show she could sell him to; If he goes off to Zanzibar to paint the local scenery; If he loses all his fingers in a mishap with machinery; If he survives to twenty, which is somewhat problematical; If what he posts was more mature, or slightly more grammatical; If he could learn to spell a bit, and maybe even punctuate; Would he still be the loathsome and objectionable punk you hate? But while he has this tiresome urge to prance around and show his face, It’s simply isn’t safe for normal people here in cyberspace. To stick him in Old Sparky and turn on the electricity Would be a fitting punishment for his egocentricity. He always has the last word; so, with utmost finality, That’s all from him, the model of a Newsgroup Personality. — (author unknown)

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